Ted Roche wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Ricardo Araoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I've always had problems with these kind of statements. Web apps are NOT >> OS independent, only the CLIENT part may be OS independent (though you >> have to be careful that you comply with "FireFox, Safari, Opera and IE7" >> and etc., I fail to see what you've gained), > > A well-designed, standards-compliant XHTML/CSS/Javascript app will run > on the spectrum of FireFox-Opera-Safari pretty much without tweaks. A > few more to get it to work in IE7. Usually more kludges for IE6 and > you're done.
So you have to learn XHTML, CSS, Javascript, how they integrate, plus some php (?). Add to that the lovely little traps Billy has set in IE. > And then it runs on Macs (there are LOTS of Macs these > days) and Windows and Linux boxes. Hmmm. Get Python and it runs on those three. And you only have to learn one language (and it is a pleasurable experience). > Everybody has the runtime (a > browser) on their machine. Yes, a beautiful back end. And so user friendly. Especially when you have to interact with data. > Nearly everyone can run javascript. Just as > important as a couple hundred million PCs, it will run on a billion > cellphones. But you'd better design your ui with cellphones in mind, or it will be a pain. Same thing with desktops. > And more! It outputs a well-defined text format that can > be indexed, sorted, cross-referenced and made to be part of a greater > whole. You mean a grid? > >> as for the SERVER part you >> must comply to Apache or some other server that runs under a specific OS >> and on top of it your language must be supported in this server. > > You know, I hate that all of these need ELECTRONS! I want to write > computers that work with MUONS! > LOL > Ricardo, web apps have to run on something. It is a limitation of the > distributed architecture of a client (application) - (web) server that > you have more APIs that you have with a monolithic application. > > Apache runs on Windows, Linux, UNIX, Solaris and Mac OS X. Nearly all > the unix-y OSes have many other choices of web server software that > will run on all or nearly all of the unix-y OSes. IIS is Windows-only > and often license-encumbered. > >> So I'd rather stay with a desktop app written in a cross OS language. I >> wonder what language would that be. > > I hope it's Python. Though there are other pretty good choices. Perl > and Ruby have nearly as many GUI toolkit bindings. > > It very much depends on the problem you're solving and the logistics > your customers demand. A heads-down data entry app that needs fast > keystroke responses, immediate connection to a database, and is > targeted at a small audience (one office or one company or dedicated > users who are willing to download it and install it) is still very > reasonably a desktop app. An application you'd like all the world to > run (by finding or getting sent a link to it) that can offer the > customer some immediate benefit is more likely a World-Wide-Web app. > > There's room for many solutions to our many challenges. > I know. I just dislike all the hassle and integration of disparate things you have to do with web apps. If I need my app to reach far away places I can always do it with a desktop app and web services or a desktop app in a VPN depending on the requirements. And if "you'd like all the world to run" your app, you can make it available for download and provide the web service. I give it to you that nowadays you'll have much better success with a WWW app with the general public. But I think business might eventually go the other way. Bottom line, I can't bring myself to learn that messy shit. ;-) _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
