Thanks Ian, I loaded up Firefox and had a slightly different experience. The animation box was far too big and clicking the red dot did start the animation after a fashion, but in a scrambled way. If you find a particular animation that you want, it looks as if we could do it for Safari and Chrome (with some work I think I could convince Firefox to work as well). I'll keep this on the back burner, as I have a few other projects on the go.
Cheers, bob On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:58 PM, Ian Clark <earthspo...@gmail.com> wrote: > @Bob > > Right! -- at long last I can see what I'm supposed to, using either Chrome > or Safari. The demos look good, technically. > > With Firefox (26.0 / up-to-date, Shockwave Flash 11.9.900.170, running on > MBA under Mavericks, or iMac under Snow Leopard) I just see two big empty > black-framed squares with pulsing red buttons. Clicking each button stops > it pulsing, otherwise no-op. Frame remains blank, whatever I do. > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:01 PM, robert therriault > <bobtherria...@mac.com>wrote: > >> @Ian >> >> I agree with you that the links that are used as a reference to the flash >> video for Moinmoin do not allow the viewer access to an in-place >> experience, and this motivated a proof of concept in svg. I know you are >> busy, but I have moved the svg to the top of the page where it should be >> easily seen as a square with a flashing red dot. Clicking the dot starts >> the animation. >> >> http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Vocabulary/plus/Animations >> >> If you don't see this, let me know and I'll put the page back to the way >> it was. I am on a Mac as well, so I don't think that is the issue, but >> knowing the browser you are using would be useful. If it turns out to be a >> hit and miss thing for people then I do think that it would be more of a >> distraction than a benefit. >> >> I completely agree with you in terms of the amount of effort in creating >> the animations compared to return in learning. Short of having an animation >> team to provide the critical mass of content that would be needed to change >> the way the viewer uses the site, I think the best solution is to only use >> animation when it truly saves the 'thousand words'. I still offer that to >> you (or others) when if would be useful. >> >> Once again, great work on the Nuvoc. >> >> Cheers, bob >> >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 4:56 AM, Ian Clark <earthspo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> @Bob >>> >>> Yes I thought the animations were appealing when they first appeared. No >>> feedback yet on whether they actually help people? -- I'll have to rely >> on >>> you and others to collect that info from genuine novices. >>> >>> Sorry - your sample page doesn't work on my Mac. What I noticed recently >>> was that wherever an animation was embedded in the page, this message now >>> comes up instead of the picture (I've tried it on Safari and Firefox): >>> >>> Current configuration does not allow embedding of the file >>> http://www.youtube.com/v/8CWEDGY3sSM because of its mimetype >>> application/x-shockwave-flash.: http://www.youtube.com/v/8CWEDGY3sSM >>> >>> The above link does work (on the page) though. But then, if only a few >>> people are ever going to see the animation as intended, why not just >> offer >>> the bare link? Moinmoin is after all a very starved palette when it comes >>> to deploying fancy gui controls -- and I don't think that's such a bad >>> thing. >>> >>> <http://www.youtube.com/v/8CWEDGY3sSM> >>> I don't know whether the graceful degradation message happens for >>> everybody, or just me. Obviously it doesn't happen for you, else you >>> wouldn't release the example. But it does want to make me keep to lo-tech >>> solutions for a generally-available help facility. That applies to >> tooltips >>> too. If the growth-point of J is hand-helds and Raspberry Pi, then what >>> hope of showing these animations dependably on Midori or any such midget >>> browser? Moreover somebody publishing a jwiki page will be expected to >>> debug it -- and animations increase the debugging burden. >>> >>> Sorry to be so discouraging when you've put such effort into producing >> such >>> attractive animations. But considering all the work they entail, and the >>> fact not everyone can see them, one has to wonder about return-on-effort. >>> (Just my opinion... I don't see the big picture, figuratively speaking) >>> >>> IanClark >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 5:57 PM, robert therriault < >> bobtherria...@mac.com>wrote: >>> >>>> First off, >>>> >>>> Ian you've have done fantastic work on this. Road building is vital to >>>> development - and your roads are safe, well marked and take us to the >>>> places we want to discover. Well done. >>>> >>>> Second, I agree with Paul about hiding things until people are >> interested. >>>> When I have decided that I want more information on a particular part of >>>> speech, I will click on the link to find out about it. Putting the rank >>>> information on the individual pages also opens up opportunities for >> showing >>>> how the ranks can be a little more involved for some parts of speech >> e.g. >>>> the Cut conjunction (rank: _ 1/2 _). I think I would be inclined to >>>> follow the lead of the original vocabulary and put the ranks on the >>>> information pages of the individual parts of speech and leave them off >> the >>>> front page. >>>> >>>> Also, when you mentioned keeping you up to date on additions, I did >>>> recently build an svg animation that the wiki will display in place. >> They >>>> take a while to do, so I am not promising to match your prodigious NuVoc >>>> output, but if there are particular areas that would benefit from >> visuals, >>>> I could work those 'hotspots' for you. You can see it here at the >> bottom of >>>> the page. (Click on the red dot) >>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Vocabulary/plus/Animations This works >> for >>>> Safari and Chrome browsers, untested on others. >>>> >>>> Cheers, bob >>>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Paul Jackson <plj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I like the idea of hiding things until people are interested. I'll add >>>>> that I'm used to the link being on the reason, not the command. >>>>> See this page <http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/NuVoc> *hiding* details >>>> of >>>>> verb ranks — >>>>> ----------------------------------- >>>>> See bottom of this >>>>> page<http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/NuVocWithRank#bottomrefs> for >>>>> commentary articles >>>>> ------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 5:43 AM, Ian Clark <earthspo...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Re Rank Information on Nuvoc portal page: I've implemented something >>>> which >>>>>> I hope fits the bill for now, until someone can come up with a >>>> technically >>>>>> satisfying alternative. >>>>>> >>>>>> Initially the Nuvoc page comes up as-is, but a prominent link lets you >>>> see >>>>>> an alternative page with ranks shown for every relevant primitive: >>>>>> "See this page <http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/NuVocWithRank> with >>>> details >>>>>> of verb ranks" >>>>>> ...No it's not beautiful, but no one is forced to look at it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
