Jadi, seperti kata Sassis disini dari dulu: orang Islam itu takut tahu, takut pinter...
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...> wrote: > > Orang tolol biasany akagak punya rasa malu seperti kamu itu > bahasa inggris?buat apa mau jadi jongos iternational atau jadi gigolo > > kagak perlu baca tafsir2an tolol. > gua punya otak bisa buat mikir apa saja > > yang super tolol itu kamu > eh elu agamanya apaan sih? > > > ________________________________ > From: item abu <itemabu@...> > To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:42 AM > Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > > >  > Hehehe.... lu ga ngerti bhs Inggris yah, makanya lu ga baca tafsir yg gua > kutip itu. > > Udah tolol malahan kaing2 nunjukin tololnya orang Islam ini, betul2 super > tolol. > > >________________________________ > >From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...> > >To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 5:20 PM > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > > > > > > > >Omong kosong tiap2 hari disini > > > >baca Quran dimana belajar nya? > >jelas inikan omongan orang gila > >tidak mungkin elu yang bukan islam > >lebih pinter dari gua soal islam > >karena elu terjun bebas disini > >jadi keliatan licik > > > >pake lagi nafsirin hadis seenak bero lu > > > >emangnya sampeyan berotak sehat? > > > >________________________________ > >From: itemabu <itemabu@...> > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:07 AM > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > > > > > >Hehehe.... asal gua ngeluarin ayat Quran dgn tafsir atau hadis pendukung, > >orang Islam semua akan ngacir terkencing2 ngecawat ekor, ga berani ngejawab, > >paling2 cuma kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut. > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > >> Gua kasih 4 buah tafsir ayat > >> 65:4 ditambah keterangan Maududi yg bilang terang2an bhw anak ingusan yg > >> blm > >> mens itu halal diembat oleh orang soleh dan bertaqwa, hehehe... > >> Yg jadi masalah itu kan adalah > >> ketololan orang2 Islam yg ga becus bhs Inggris dan jg mungkin ga kenal > >> siapa > >> itu Maududi misalnya. Orang2 Islam dungu ini mungkin kenalnya cuma tukang > >> tipu > >> kayak si Jeffry al Bukhori atau Abdullah Gymnastiar, atau bahkan cuma tau > >> Tukul > >> Arwana. > >> à> >> Tafsir Ibn Kathir > >> Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. > >> And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. > >> Her > >> `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who > >> menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. ï´¿see > >> 2:228ï´¾ THE SAME FOR THE YOUNG, WHO > >> HAVE NOT REACHED THE YEARS OF MENSTRUATION. Their `Iddah is three months > >> like those in > >> menopause. This is the meaning of His saying; > >> (and for those who have no courses...) as for His saying; > >> à(if you have doubt...) There are two > >> opinions: First, is the saying of a group of the Salaf, like Mujahid, > >> Az-Zuhri > >> and Ibn Zayd. That is, if they see blood and there is doubt if it was > >> menstrual > >> blood or not. The second, is that if you do not know the ruling in this > >> case, > >> then know that their `Iddah is three months. This has been reported from > >> Sa`id > >> bin Jubayr and it is the view preferred by Ibn Jarir. And this is the more > >> obvious meaning. Supporting this view is what is reported from Ubay bin > >> Ka`b > >> that he said, "O Allah's Messenger! Some women were not mentioned in the > >> Qur'an, the young, the old and the pregnant.'' Allah the Exalted and Most > >> Honored sent down this Ayah, > >> à(Those in menopause among your women, > >> for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for those who > >> have > >> no courses. And for those who are pregnant, their `Iddah is until they lay > >> down > >> their burden.) Ibn Abi Hatim recorded a simpler narration than this one > >> from > >> Ubay bin Ka`b who said, "O Allah's Messenger! When the Ayah in Surat > >> Al-Baqarah > >> was revealed prescribing the `Iddah of divorce, some people in Al-Madinah > >> said, > >> `There are still some women whose `Iddah has not been mentioned in the > >> Qur'an. > >> There are THE YOUNG, the old whose menstruation is discontinued, and the > >> pregnant.' Later on, this Ayah was revealed, > >> à(Those in menopause among your women, > >> for them the `Iddah, if you have doubt, is three months; and for those who > >> have > >> no courses.)'' > >> à> >> Tafsir al-Jalalayn > >> And [as for] those of your women > >> who (read allÃ�ââ¬â¢Ã« or allÃ�ââ¬â¢i in both instances) no > >> longer expect to menstruate, > >> if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed > >> [waiting] > >> period shall be three months, and [also for] THOSE WHO HAVE > >> NOT YET MENSTRUATED, BECAUSE OF THEIR YOUNG AGE, > >> their period shall [also] be three months ââ¬" both cases apply to other > >> than > >> those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is > >> prescribed in > >> the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. > >> 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their > >> prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall > >> be > >> when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for > >> him, in > >> this world and in the Hereafter. > >> à> >> Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ââ¬ËAbbâs > >> (And for such of your women as > >> despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their > >> waiting > >> period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which > >> another > >> man asked: ââ¬Å"O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period OF > >> THOSE WHO DO > >> NOT HAVE MENSTRUATION BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO YOUNG?ââ¬ï¿½ (ALONG WITH > >> THOSE WHO HAVE > >> IT NOT) BECAUSE OF YOUNG AGE, their waiting period is three months. > >> Another man > >> asked: ââ¬Å"what is the waiting period for those women who are > >> pregnant?ââ¬ï¿½ (And for > >> those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting > >> period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And > >> whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding > >> what he > >> commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter > >> easy; and > >> it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well. > >> à> >> Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi > >> (And for such of your > >> women as despair of menstruationââ¬Â¦) [65:4]. Said Muqatil: ââ¬Å"When > >> the verse (Women > >> who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apartââ¬Â¦), Kallad ibn > >> al-Nuââ¬Ëman > >> ibn Qays al-Ansari said: ââ¬ËO Messenger of Allah, what is the waiting > >> period of > >> the woman who does not menstruate and THE WOMAN WHO HAS NOT MENSTRUATED > >> YET? > >> And what is the waiting period of the pregnant woman?ââ¬â¢ And so > >> Allah, exalted is > >> He, revealed this verseââ¬ï¿½. Abu Ishaq al-Muqriââ¬â¢ informed us> > >> Muhammad ibn ââ¬ËAbd > >> Allah ibn Hamdun> Makki ibn ââ¬ËAbdan> Abuââ¬â¢l-Azhar> Asbat ibn > >> Muhammad> > >> Mutarrif> Abu ââ¬ËUthman ââ¬ËAmr ibn Salim who said: ââ¬Å"When the > >> waiting period for > >> divorced and widowed women was mentioned in Surah al-Baqarah, Ubayy ibn > >> Kaââ¬Ëb > >> said: ââ¬ËO Messenger of Allah, some women of Medina are saying: there > >> are other > >> women who have not been mentioned!ââ¬â¢ He asked him: ââ¬ËAnd who > >> are they?ââ¬â¢ He said: > >> ââ¬ËTHOSE WHO ARE TOO YOUNG [SUCH THAT THEY HAVE NOT STARTED > >> MENSTRUATING YET], those > >> who are too old [whose menstruation has stopped] and those who are > >> pregnantââ¬â¢. > >> And so this verse (And for such of your women as despair of > >> menstruationââ¬Â¦) was > >> revealedââ¬ï¿½. > >> à> >> à> >> Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an - The Meaning of the > >> Qur'an > >> 13They may not have menstruated as > >> yet either BECAUSE OF YOUNG AGE, or delayed menstrual discharge as it > >> happens > >> in the case of some women, or because of no discharge at all throughout > >> life > >> which, though rare, may also be the case. In any case, the waiting-period > >> of > >> such a woman is the same as of the woman, who has stopped menstruation, > >> that is > >> three months from the time divorce was pronounced. > >> Here, one should bear in > >> mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Qur'an the > >> question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom > >> marriage may have been consummated, FOR THERE IS NO WAITING-PERIOD IN CASE > >> DIVORCE IS PRONOUNCED BEFORE THE CONSUMMATION OF MARRIAGE. (AL-AHZAB: 49). > >> Therefore, > >> MAKING MENTION OF THE WAITING-PERIOD FOR THE GIRLS WHO HAVE NOT YET > >> MENSTRUATED, CLEARLY PROVES THAT IT IS NOT ONLY PERMISSIBLE TO GIVE AWAY > >> THE > >> GIRL IN MARRIAGE AT THIS AGE BUT IT IS ALSO PERMISSIBLE FOR THE HUSBAND TO > >> CONSUMMATE MARRIAGE WITH HER. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to > >> forbid > >> a thing which the Qur'an has held as permissible. > >> The girl who is divorced > >> in the state when she has not yet menstruated and then she starts having > >> the > >> menses during the waiting-period, will reckon her waiting-period from the > >> same > >> menstruation and her waiting-period will be reckoned just like the woman > >> who > >> menstruates regularly.à> >> à> >> > >> > >> > >> >________________________________ > >> >From: item abu <itemabu@> > >> >To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > >> >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:14 PM > >> >Subject: [proletar] Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > >> > > >> > > >> >à> >> >The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married > >> >ââ¬ËAaââ¬â¢ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) when she was six > >> >years old and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years old. > >> >Narrated by al-Bukhaari (4840) and Muslim (1422). > >> > > >> >Ulama Saudi ngaku bhw nabi keparatnya itu ngembat anak ingusan 9 thn, dan > >> >ga ada batasan umur unt ngembat anak ingusan, asal si anak itu udah bisa > >> >diembat, tentunya yg dimaksud adalah kontol orang Islam bisa masuk. Jadi > >> >nabi Islam itu kepaksa nunggu sampe Aisha 9 thn baru diembat, biarpun si > >> >Aisha udah jadi bininya di usia 6 thn. Tp si Aisha bisa jg koq dipake > >> >buat ngejepit kontol nabi sambil ngelus2 kontol nabi. > >> > > >> >Masalahnya, apa orang Islam bisa baca tulisan dlm bhs Inggris ini? > >> > > >> >http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/146882 > >> > > >> >Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > >> >146882 > >> >Fiqh of the family û Conditions of Marriage > >> >Fiqh of the family û Rulings on Marriage > >> > > >> >Is there a set age for marriage in Islam? > >> >ar - en > >> > > >> >Share | I would like to know whether there is a > >> >set age for marriage in Islam for men and women? I hope you can explain > >> >with reference to the Qurââ¬â¢aan and saheeh hadeeths. > >> > > >> >Praise be to Allaah. > >> >Firstly:à> >> >Islam does not give a specific age for marriage, either for the husband > >> >or for the wife. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the > >> >meaning): > >> >ââ¬Å"And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye > >> >doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those > >> >who have it notââ¬ï¿½ > >> >[al-Talaaq 65:4].à> >> >Al-Saââ¬Ëdi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: ââ¬Å"along with > >> >those who have it [menses] notââ¬ï¿½ means minors, those who have not > >> >yet started to menstruate. Adult women who have never menstruated at all > >> >are like those who ââ¬Å"despair of menstruationââ¬ï¿½ (i.e., have > >> >passed menopause); their ââ¬Ëiddah is three months. End quote.à> >> >Tafseer al-Saââ¬Ëdi, p. 870à> >> >The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married > >> >ââ¬ËAaââ¬â¢ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) when she was six > >> >years old and the marriage was consummated when she was nine years old. > >> >Narrated by al-Bukhaari (4840) and Muslim (1422).à> >> >Ibn Qudaamah (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Sharh al-Kabeer, > >> >7/386:à> >> >With regard to females, the father may give his minor, virgin daughter > >> >who has not yet reached the age of nine in marriage, and there is no > >> >difference of opinion concerning that, if he gives her in marriage to > >> >someone who is compatible. Ibn al-Mundhir said: All of those scholars > >> >from whom we acquired knowledge unanimously agreed that it is > >> >permissible for a father to give his minor daughter in marriage if he > >> >arranges her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for him > >> >to do that even if she is reluctant. End quote.à> >> >Secondly:à> >> >No one may give a minor daughter in marriage except her father according > >> >to the view of Maalik and Ahmad. This was also the view of > >> >al-Shaafaââ¬Ëi, but he regarded the grandfather as being like the > >> >father in that regard. Abu Haneefah said ââ¬" and it was also narrated > >> >from Ahmad ââ¬" that it is permissible for a guardian other than the > >> >father to give (the minor girl) in marriage, but the more correct view > >> >is the former one. > >> >See: al-Mughni, 7/33à> >> >Thirdly:à> >> >The father should not give a minor daughter in marriage except in a case > >> >where he thinks it is in her best interests. Just as he may only dispose > >> >of her wealth in that which is in her best interests, the same applies > >> >with regard to arranging her marriage. Islam only permits that to the > >> >Muslim father who is pious and pays proper attention to the best > >> >interests of his children, and who understands very well that he is a > >> >shepherd and that he is responsible for his flock.à> >> >Ibn Wahb narrated that Maalik said, with regard to a man arranging a > >> >marriage for an orphan girl under his care: If he thinks that (the > >> >husband) is a man of virtue, righteousness and wisdom, it is permissible > >> >for him to do that.à> >> >Ahkaam al-Qurââ¬â¢aan by al-Jassaas, 2/342à> >> >Fourthly:à> >> >A man should not consummate marriage with his young bride until she is > >> >physically able to bear intercourse. This varies from one time, place > >> >and environment to another.à> >> >For more information please see the answers to questions no. 22442 and > >> >127176.à> >> >What young men and guardians of girls should do is hasten to arrange > >> >marriages, so as to guard chastity and protect honour, and so as to > >> >attain the great purposes for which Allah ordained marriage.à> >> >And Allah knows best. > >> > > >> >Islam Q&A > >> > > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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