I really like this thread, so here's my 2 cents: I use the CLI almost exclusively. Which works for me, the mail administrator for our domains. But I want to train a monkey (office) manager, secretary, etc. to do the simply stuff our customers call in for, look up passwords, add an account. And like all of you probably know a cli might as well be in russian, as it makes no sense to the rest of humanity. I really like qcontrol, we purchased it and use it. but I have to tell the monkeys, "never click in there, you can mess it all up" for the tcp.smtp, and spam settings. what would be nice if there was a Qcontrol-lite. or user manager, or some way to simply present the stuff I trust people to do with a GUI, and let them have at. Qcontrol is far superior to the other tools mentioned, and I'd personally like to see it as a replacement for the other broken tools. some Featueres that would rock:
click a user name and search the logs for that account. so if a user calls in I can click his name the server will show me all the logs with his/her user name it. ability to tail a log /var/log/qmail/smtp/current, or other. Thanks for all the hard work Dan vqadmin could just be a qtp option qtp-install-vqadmin would make everyone happy? On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 14:54 -0700, Eric Shubert wrote: > I (shamefully, on occasion) use /home/vpopmail/bin/vuserinfo for > password lookups. > > FWIW, looking up passwords (storing passwords in clear text, to be > precise) is considered to be a bad practice from a security standpoint. > A more secure way is to have the admin reset the password when > forgotten. I'm not sure why QMT is configured to store PWs in clear > text. Might want to consider changing that in a future release. > > Helmut Fritz wrote: > > I think you are correct in the issue to decide Jake. I think it can safely > > be removed if everything it does is available elsewhere. Password lookup? > > I know domains can be done with webmin as well as CLI. > > > > And I do not think vqadmin should be used for user creation/management. > > Qmailadmin is plenty good there. > > > > So multiple tools need to be used. What would someone expect if it is free? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jake Vickers [mailto:j...@qmailtoaster.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:05 PM > > To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com > > Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Creating e-mail users with VQAdmin vs. > > Qmailadmin > > > > Jean-Paul van de Plasse wrote: > >> Hey Jake, > >> > >> I do not think anyone on this list or using qmt does not apriciate the > >> work you did and are doing.. > >> > >> For me it really is not about the 30$, just never needed an interface, > >> guess I should check qcontrol maybe it will help me alot :) Anyways, > >> as said in an other mail I am just trying to help some who are using > >> vqadmin.. > >> Have been active in the past with patches and helping arround on this > >> list, been busy otherwise but figured I can still contribute some time > >> to qmt. > >> > >> I do think (as u suggest) a good mailserver needs a basic tool to > >> manage the users, so it would be good to fix vqadmin. > >> Or to write a replacement, with some basic features. > >> > >> Guess I should crawl back under the stone I was the past year.. seems > >> this all stirs up things .. > >> Sorry for that. > > > > I think the topic actually generated some good ideas and traffic. I'm trying > > to get the project back into giving the community what they ask for - I > > can't do this if you don't tell me what you want! > > I know lots of people appreciate the work that I and others do. That's not > > the issue I was ranting on. It costs actual money to run a project like > > this, and most people do not understand that. I'm not even counting time > > spent, just actual server costs. > > > > I'd started 2 or 3 projects in the past to write a replacement for Vqadmin > > with other people, but they always died on the vine. I found it frustrating. > > After a specific user went on a long-winded thread on how open source would > > never work because we wouldn't write a GUI that worked I decided to sit down > > and learn the skills I lacked to write the thing by myself. > > > > I honestly don't even use my own software to administer my system(s). I run > > servers for other companies around the world and I always found it easier to > > use the CLI myself. Mainly out of habit. > > > > The only feature that I can think of that Vqadmin provides that is not > > covered under Qmailadmin is the ability to create domains. > > > > I'll be starting a "video magazine" for QMT in the very near future with > > how-to videos, and one of the topics I'll eventually cover is how to add > > domains using the command line and why to not use Vqadmin. > > > > So I think the major topic we need to hash out is whether to remove the > > Vqadmin package from the auto-installers or not - correct me if I am wrong. > > > > > > > -- > -Eric 'shubes' > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group > (www.vickersconsulting.com) > Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. > If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com > For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. 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