Here's my suggestion: we switch to "ask to join" on Google Groups. I think that will notify all the moderators, and thus (a) more people can potentially respond (eg, I think I currently get those emails too) and (b) if someone can no longer take on this responsibility, it's easy to have someone else step up. The alternative where we specify a specific email requires potentially changing that email address when the responsibility changes.
Does that seem like a reasonable approach? Sam On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:30 PM Sage Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: > > No no, that was helpful, thank you. We do need to figure this part out. > > On 1/11/22 2:22 PM, Robby Findler wrote: > > Sorry, I probably shouldn't have jumped in here. I'm happy with whatever you > folks decide is best! > > Robby > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 1:09 PM Sage Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Makes sense. >> >> I'll repeat one key difference in the context of Google Groups >> >> Ask to join >> >> Racket volunteer must be available for vetting requests, on receiving them. >> Member starts process in Google Groups >> >> Invite only >> >> Racket volunteer may vet first, but must initiate contact with member. As >> Sam said, strangers can't start that process. >> >> If you publish an email to request invites, then the process is going to be >> "ask to join" no matter what, so the mailing list configuration is relevant >> for a different reason. Do we want members to start the process in Google >> Groups, or by sending an email to a fixed address? >> >> On 1/11/22 1:51 PM, Robby Findler wrote: >> >> Probably people find out about the mailing list by the website, right? We >> could post an email address or two there where asks should go? >> >> Robby >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:41 PM Sam Tobin-Hochstadt <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> One thing to note here: it's now not possible to _request_ to join the >>> list. If someone wants to join the list, they have to know someone who >>> is already a member and ask them to join. >>> >>> It looks like another option is "Anyone on the web can ask" to join. >>> It's not immediately clear who gets the emails when people ask, but >>> this seems like it might be a good intermediate position. >>> >>> Sam >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 12:32 PM Sage Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Alright, thanks to all of you for the quick replies. As of this writing, >>> > the list has been reconfigured to create an explicit perimeter between >>> > the non-members and members. The public can no longer let themselves in. >>> > >>> > Not totally out of the woods yet. >>> > >>> > Someone please confirm if you can invite others using Members page -> >>> > "Add Member". If not, then please follow up with me. >>> > This model can be compromised by someone going rogue and inviting a bunch >>> > of spammers. I'm expecting that our communal trust is high enough to make >>> > this unlikely. >>> > >>> > Considering the risk profile seems less scary, disregard request to >>> > delete my emails. :) >>> > >>> > On 12/18/21 3:02 PM, Matthias Felleisen wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > +2! And many thanks. (I was personally spared this spam until very >>> > recently. No clue why) >>> > >>> > — Matthias >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Dec 18, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Robby Findler <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > +1! Thank you. >>> > >>> > Robby >>> > >>> > On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 1:43 PM Matthew Flatt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> The "members" option sounds right to me. Thanks for tracking down a way >>> >> to improve the situation! >>> >> >>> >> At Sat, 18 Dec 2021 19:35:23 +0000, Sage Gerard wrote: >>> >> > Core team, >>> >> > >>> >> > Sam asked me to issue bans for a troublesome spammer. I've done so, >>> >> > even >>> >> > just today. I understand I need quorum for larger decisions. This is >>> >> > why >>> >> > I have not yet reconfigured the list to permanently stop the spammer. >>> >> > After researching the problem further, I need your urgent attention. >>> >> > >>> >> > I found that the spam messages sometimes link to other Google group >>> >> > posts affected by the spammer. A recent trail leads to a >>> >> > comp.lang.python Google message in 2017. I suspect that email addresses >>> >> > are scraped in unmoderated lists that freely hand out membership. After >>> >> > checking the list settings, I found that this is one of those lists. I >>> >> > hypothesize that our email addresses are being scraped and >>> >> > cross-referenced for use in other unmoderated lists. >>> >> > >>> >> > It's one thing to flatly complain about a spammer on this list, and >>> >> > another to willingly maintain a transmission vector. We need to stop >>> >> > automatically handing out group membership with our current settings. >>> >> > We >>> >> > can have ________ issue list memberships. I need you all to fill in the >>> >> > blank with "moderators" or "members." I'll translate the settings >>> >> > accordingly. >>> >> > >>> >> > Given the holidays, I respect your time. Please reciprocate with >>> >> > respect >>> >> > for the urgency this problem creates. I will revoke my own mailing list >>> >> > privileges and membership in three weeks, on January 8th, 2022. I will >>> >> > leave the settings however they read at the time to prevent >>> >> > interruption, and request that own messages then be deleted to limit >>> >> > the >>> >> > role my email address plays for the spammer. >>> >> > >>> >> > I am not volunteering to moderate membership applications, and I am not >>> >> > commenting on how to verify the impact of possible email leaks. Between >>> >> > the Discourse move and (majority?) perspective towards email, I'm not >>> >> > sure how I would be useful doing either. 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