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On 12/19/21 8:35 PM, Sorawee Porncharoenwase wrote: > FWIW, here're the settings of racket-users from the About tab: > > Anyone on the web: can see group > > Group owners and managers: can view members > > Anyone on the web: can view conversations > > Group members: can post > > Invited users: can join group > > and here're the settings of racket-dev: > > Anyone on the web: can see group > > Group members: can view members > > Anyone on the web: can view conversations > > Group members: can post > > Anyone on the web: can join group > > It looks like racket-users might need to change "Group owners and managers: > can view members" to "Group members: can view members", and racket-dev might > need to change "Anyone on the web: can join group" to "Invited users: can > join group". > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 5:25 PM Nadeem Abdul Hamid <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In other Google groups that I'm on, when I view the group, the links in the >> left bar read "Conversations", "Members", "About", "My membership settings". >> But in the Racket Users, there isn't a link to the "Members" list. >> >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 5:24 PM Sage Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Looks like I scoped invitation powers to group managers, not members. >>> Checking on this. >>> >>> Sent from ProtonMail mobile >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> On Dec 19, 2021, 4:17 PM, Nadeem Abdul Hamid < [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't have any special privileges... when I view the Google group, I >>>> don't see a "Members" page at all and no where to invite anyone else. All >>>> I can access is a link "My membership settings". >>>> >>>> --- nadeem >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 3:49 PM Robby Findler <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> When I follow the link at the bottom of one of these messages, click on >>>>> members, I see an "add members" button and clicking on it gives me a >>>>> place to add email addresses. I didn't actually add email addresses to >>>>> the list and try to add them, and I might have already had special >>>>> privileges on this list so that might not have been the most useful test. >>>>> >>>>> Robby >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 11:32 AM Sage Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Alright, thanks to all of you for the quick replies. As of this writing, >>>>>> the list has been reconfigured to create an explicit perimeter between >>>>>> the non-members and members. The public can no longer let themselves in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not totally out of the woods yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Someone please confirm if you can invite others using Members page -> >>>>>> "Add Member". If not, then please follow up with me. >>>>>> - This model can be compromised by someone going rogue and inviting a >>>>>> bunch of spammers. I'm expecting that our communal trust is high enough >>>>>> to make this unlikely. >>>>>> >>>>>> Considering the risk profile seems less scary, disregard request to >>>>>> delete my emails. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/18/21 3:02 PM, Matthias Felleisen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> +2! And many thanks. (I was personally spared this spam until very >>>>>>> recently. No clue why) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> — Matthias >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Robby Findler <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1! Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Robby >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 1:43 PM Matthew Flatt <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The "members" option sounds right to me. Thanks for tracking down a >>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>> to improve the situation! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At Sat, 18 Dec 2021 19:35:23 +0000, Sage Gerard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Core team, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sam asked me to issue bans for a troublesome spammer. I've done so, >>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>> just today. I understand I need quorum for larger decisions. This is >>>>>>>>>> why >>>>>>>>>> I have not yet reconfigured the list to permanently stop the spammer. >>>>>>>>>> After researching the problem further, I need your urgent attention. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I found that the spam messages sometimes link to other Google group >>>>>>>>>> posts affected by the spammer. A recent trail leads to a >>>>>>>>>> comp.lang.python Google message in 2017. I suspect that email >>>>>>>>>> addresses >>>>>>>>>> are scraped in unmoderated lists that freely hand out membership. >>>>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>>>> checking the list settings, I found that this is one of those lists. >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> hypothesize that our email addresses are being scraped and >>>>>>>>>> cross-referenced for use in other unmoderated lists. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's one thing to flatly complain about a spammer on this list, and >>>>>>>>>> another to willingly maintain a transmission vector. We need to stop >>>>>>>>>> automatically handing out group membership with our current >>>>>>>>>> settings. We >>>>>>>>>> can have ________ issue list memberships. I need you all to fill in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> blank with "moderators" or "members." I'll translate the settings >>>>>>>>>> accordingly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Given the holidays, I respect your time. Please reciprocate with >>>>>>>>>> respect >>>>>>>>>> for the urgency this problem creates. I will revoke my own mailing >>>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>>> privileges and membership in three weeks, on January 8th, 2022. I >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> leave the settings however they read at the time to prevent >>>>>>>>>> interruption, and request that own messages then be deleted to limit >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> role my email address plays for the spammer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am not volunteering to moderate membership applications, and I am >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> commenting on how to verify the impact of possible email leaks. >>>>>>>>>> Between >>>>>>>>>> the Discourse move and (majority?) perspective towards email, I'm not >>>>>>>>>> sure how I would be useful doing either. If my opinion holds weight, >>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>> advise the answer be "members" so that any available moderators can >>>>>>>>>> focus on rule breakers while the community grows at a self-directed >>>>>>>>>> speed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me know, and thank you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>> "Racket Users" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an >>>>>>>>>> email to >>>>>>>>>> [[email protected]](mailto:racket-users%[email protected]). >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/5fa6a8bb-88e4-37c6-f0b9-2ed372bc >>>>>>>>>> e8fe%[40sagegerard.com](http://40sagegerard.com/). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Racket Users" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to >>>>>>>>> [[email protected]](mailto:racket-users%[email protected]). >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/20211218124300.343%40sirmail.smtps.cs.utah.edu. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Racket Users" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> [https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/CAL3TdOMCXH4Zio1%2B96Nj_Zgj2vByetG-%3D8i93%3DLYjTpaBrw8DA%40mail.gmail.com](https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/CAL3TdOMCXH4Zio1%2B96Nj_Zgj2vByetG-%3D8i93%3DLYjTpaBrw8DA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Racket Users" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> [https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/649B3011-618B-466E-AE20-B4C13629CA71%40felleisen.org](https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/649B3011-618B-466E-AE20-B4C13629CA71%40felleisen.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer). >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Racket Users" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> [https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/ef18d8d4-0305-1cf9-f657-434c19843dc2%40sagegerard.com](https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/ef18d8d4-0305-1cf9-f657-434c19843dc2%40sagegerard.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer). >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Racket Users" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> [https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/CAL3TdOPq86_JbWu5twwmoQSOF1xYqqsfDiy%2B16a6%2BDAZKnUtBw%40mail.gmail.com](https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/CAL3TdOPq86_JbWu5twwmoQSOF1xYqqsfDiy%2B16a6%2BDAZKnUtBw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer). >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Racket Users" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> [https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/A6aJ3TPprk-SAdgoLHi-h-ZCFj_9G6ZftL9c99ajyEtioSfOrQM5AUoKXGCKJz7NKxf0yNny4SJTqcpRzGAgES70hTdG-DJP-Si2m_CGG98%3D%40sagegerard.com](https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/A6aJ3TPprk-SAdgoLHi-h-ZCFj_9G6ZftL9c99ajyEtioSfOrQM5AUoKXGCKJz7NKxf0yNny4SJTqcpRzGAgES70hTdG-DJP-Si2m_CGG98%3D%40sagegerard.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer). >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Racket Users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> [https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/CABB5Xb-t5xQL6KgPEYH3v-LWO4AUxt%2BTGDWxo_vSMO0gJrM9JQ%40mail.gmail.com](https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/CABB5Xb-t5xQL6KgPEYH3v-LWO4AUxt%2BTGDWxo_vSMO0gJrM9JQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. 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