Sorry, I probably shouldn't have jumped in here. I'm happy with whatever you folks decide is best!
Robby On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 1:09 PM Sage Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: > Makes sense. > > I'll repeat one key difference in the context of Google Groups > > - *Ask to join* > - Racket volunteer must be available for vetting requests, on > receiving them. Member starts process in Google Groups > - *Invite only* > - Racket volunteer may vet first, but must initiate contact with > member. As Sam said, strangers can't start that process. > > If you publish an email to request invites, then the process is going to > be "ask to join" no matter what, so the mailing list configuration is > relevant for a different reason. Do we want members to start the process in > Google Groups, or by sending an email to a fixed address? > On 1/11/22 1:51 PM, Robby Findler wrote: > > Probably people find out about the mailing list by the website, right? We > could post an email address or two there where asks should go? > > Robby > > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:41 PM Sam Tobin-Hochstadt <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> One thing to note here: it's now not possible to _request_ to join the >> list. If someone wants to join the list, they have to know someone who >> is already a member and ask them to join. >> >> It looks like another option is "Anyone on the web can ask" to join. >> It's not immediately clear who gets the emails when people ask, but >> this seems like it might be a good intermediate position. >> >> Sam >> >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 12:32 PM Sage Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Alright, thanks to all of you for the quick replies. As of this >> writing, the list has been reconfigured to create an explicit perimeter >> between the non-members and members. The public can no longer let >> themselves in. >> > >> > Not totally out of the woods yet. >> > >> > Someone please confirm if you can invite others using Members page -> >> "Add Member". If not, then please follow up with me. >> > This model can be compromised by someone going rogue and inviting a >> bunch of spammers. I'm expecting that our communal trust is high enough to >> make this unlikely. >> > >> > Considering the risk profile seems less scary, disregard request to >> delete my emails. :) >> > >> > On 12/18/21 3:02 PM, Matthias Felleisen wrote: >> > >> > >> > +2! And many thanks. (I was personally spared this spam until very >> recently. No clue why) >> > >> > — Matthias >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Dec 18, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Robby Findler <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > +1! Thank you. >> > >> > Robby >> > >> > On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 1:43 PM Matthew Flatt <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> The "members" option sounds right to me. Thanks for tracking down a way >> >> to improve the situation! >> >> >> >> At Sat, 18 Dec 2021 19:35:23 +0000, Sage Gerard wrote: >> >> > Core team, >> >> > >> >> > Sam asked me to issue bans for a troublesome spammer. I've done so, >> even >> >> > just today. I understand I need quorum for larger decisions. This is >> why >> >> > I have not yet reconfigured the list to permanently stop the spammer. >> >> > After researching the problem further, I need your urgent attention. >> >> > >> >> > I found that the spam messages sometimes link to other Google group >> >> > posts affected by the spammer. A recent trail leads to a >> >> > comp.lang.python Google message in 2017. I suspect that email >> addresses >> >> > are scraped in unmoderated lists that freely hand out membership. >> After >> >> > checking the list settings, I found that this is one of those lists. >> I >> >> > hypothesize that our email addresses are being scraped and >> >> > cross-referenced for use in other unmoderated lists. >> >> > >> >> > It's one thing to flatly complain about a spammer on this list, and >> >> > another to willingly maintain a transmission vector. We need to stop >> >> > automatically handing out group membership with our current >> settings. We >> >> > can have ________ issue list memberships. I need you all to fill in >> the >> >> > blank with "moderators" or "members." I'll translate the settings >> >> > accordingly. >> >> > >> >> > Given the holidays, I respect your time. Please reciprocate with >> respect >> >> > for the urgency this problem creates. I will revoke my own mailing >> list >> >> > privileges and membership in three weeks, on January 8th, 2022. I >> will >> >> > leave the settings however they read at the time to prevent >> >> > interruption, and request that own messages then be deleted to limit >> the >> >> > role my email address plays for the spammer. >> >> > >> >> > I am not volunteering to moderate membership applications, and I am >> not >> >> > commenting on how to verify the impact of possible email leaks. >> Between >> >> > the Discourse move and (majority?) perspective towards email, I'm not >> >> > sure how I would be useful doing either. 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