No no, that was helpful, thank you. We do need to figure this part out. On 1/11/22 2:22 PM, Robby Findler wrote:
> Sorry, I probably shouldn't have jumped in here. I'm happy with whatever you > folks decide is best! > > Robby > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 1:09 PM Sage Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Makes sense. >> >> I'll repeat one key difference in the context of Google Groups >> >> - Ask to join >> >> - Racket volunteer must be available for vetting requests, on receiving >> them. Member starts process in Google Groups >> - Invite only >> >> - Racket volunteer may vet first, but must initiate contact with member. As >> Sam said, strangers can't start that process. >> >> If you publish an email to request invites, then the process is going to be >> "ask to join" no matter what, so the mailing list configuration is relevant >> for a different reason. Do we want members to start the process in Google >> Groups, or by sending an email to a fixed address? >> >> On 1/11/22 1:51 PM, Robby Findler wrote: >> >>> Probably people find out about the mailing list by the website, right? We >>> could post an email address or two there where asks should go? >>> >>> Robby >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:41 PM Sam Tobin-Hochstadt <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> One thing to note here: it's now not possible to _request_ to join the >>>> list. If someone wants to join the list, they have to know someone who >>>> is already a member and ask them to join. >>>> >>>> It looks like another option is "Anyone on the web can ask" to join. >>>> It's not immediately clear who gets the emails when people ask, but >>>> this seems like it might be a good intermediate position. >>>> >>>> Sam >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 12:32 PM Sage Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Alright, thanks to all of you for the quick replies. As of this writing, >>>>> the list has been reconfigured to create an explicit perimeter between >>>>> the non-members and members. The public can no longer let themselves in. >>>>> >>>>> Not totally out of the woods yet. >>>>> >>>>> Someone please confirm if you can invite others using Members page -> >>>>> "Add Member". If not, then please follow up with me. >>>>> This model can be compromised by someone going rogue and inviting a bunch >>>>> of spammers. I'm expecting that our communal trust is high enough to make >>>>> this unlikely. >>>>> >>>>> Considering the risk profile seems less scary, disregard request to >>>>> delete my emails. :) >>>>> >>>>> On 12/18/21 3:02 PM, Matthias Felleisen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> +2! And many thanks. (I was personally spared this spam until very >>>>> recently. No clue why) >>>>> >>>>> — Matthias >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 18, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Robby Findler <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> +1! Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Robby >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 1:43 PM Matthew Flatt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The "members" option sounds right to me. Thanks for tracking down a way >>>>>> to improve the situation! >>>>>> >>>>>> At Sat, 18 Dec 2021 19:35:23 +0000, Sage Gerard wrote: >>>>>> > Core team, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Sam asked me to issue bans for a troublesome spammer. I've done so, >>>>>> > even >>>>>> > just today. I understand I need quorum for larger decisions. This is >>>>>> > why >>>>>> > I have not yet reconfigured the list to permanently stop the spammer. >>>>>> > After researching the problem further, I need your urgent attention. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I found that the spam messages sometimes link to other Google group >>>>>> > posts affected by the spammer. A recent trail leads to a >>>>>> > comp.lang.python Google message in 2017. I suspect that email addresses >>>>>> > are scraped in unmoderated lists that freely hand out membership. After >>>>>> > checking the list settings, I found that this is one of those lists. I >>>>>> > hypothesize that our email addresses are being scraped and >>>>>> > cross-referenced for use in other unmoderated lists. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > It's one thing to flatly complain about a spammer on this list, and >>>>>> > another to willingly maintain a transmission vector. We need to stop >>>>>> > automatically handing out group membership with our current settings. >>>>>> > We >>>>>> > can have ________ issue list memberships. I need you all to fill in the >>>>>> > blank with "moderators" or "members." I'll translate the settings >>>>>> > accordingly. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Given the holidays, I respect your time. Please reciprocate with >>>>>> > respect >>>>>> > for the urgency this problem creates. I will revoke my own mailing list >>>>>> > privileges and membership in three weeks, on January 8th, 2022. I will >>>>>> > leave the settings however they read at the time to prevent >>>>>> > interruption, and request that own messages then be deleted to limit >>>>>> > the >>>>>> > role my email address plays for the spammer. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I am not volunteering to moderate membership applications, and I am not >>>>>> > commenting on how to verify the impact of possible email leaks. Between >>>>>> > the Discourse move and (majority?) perspective towards email, I'm not >>>>>> > sure how I would be useful doing either. 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