Bill,
I am one who would want just a frameset. If it were offered like a Clem,
for a $700 presale (wow wasn't that a great deal!) I would have jumped on
it, transferred everything over from my Sam and sold the Sam frameset. But
it was not to be. Reading your email ALMOST made me want to order it, but
thank goodness the window is closed. I have a Sam, like it a lot, and don't
REALLY need a new bike, no matter how cool that Joe looks.
Appreciating your logic ("you can just about MAKE money buying this thing"),
Edwin
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 3:30:53 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I expect the Joe will ride a lot like a Sam. It will have all the
> benefits of wider tires. I expect it to ride "Like a Rivendell".
>
> Regarding the numerous people who want a frameset. I understand,
> completely. I have all the parts to pull together two or three builds,
> also. But think about it. If there was ever going to be a hypothetical
> Joe Appaloosa frameset, we'd expect the price to be higher than that of the
> Hillborne ($1300). On top of that add the new crown, the longer stays.
> Add that they are a smaller volume order, and are physically quite a bit
> bigger and cost more to ship. What do you think retail would be? Probably
> between $1500 and $1700. Then, many of you would want the super cool
> Choco-Bosco handlebar. Every previous Nitto Bullmoose Variant has been
> $150-$160. You quickly get to a frameset + handlebar that may cost nearly
> $1900, and here you have the chance to buy the whole bike for $2100. It's
> kind of difficult to pass up. The Riv crankset is not cheap, take a guess
> and price it at $180. Those Sun Race shifters are $65 for a pair. The
> Silver hubset is $110. That presale price starts to look like free money
> when you think about it. It's really a very nice deal at $2100, in my
> opinion.
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 8:53:20 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> Thought I’d jump in and propose a thread I’ve been thinking about since
>> that beautiful, burgundy Appaloosa showed up on the web specials. Like so
>> many others, I’ve been very curious about the Joe Appaloosa frame. I was
>> looking over the Riv geometry charts and the chart on the Joe. Joe’s 55
>> specs are so similar to the early specs of the 56 Hillborne with longer
>> stays and a longer top tube and fork rake. Joe appears to be a lengthened
>> early Sam with larger tire clearances. I have a 56 canti-Sam after they
>> shortened the top tube which is great on the road. I just start to wonder
>> if the Appaloosa would be better in the dirt or when camping (particularly
>> in the dirt!). Of course, I’d prefer just the frame so I could swap all
>> the parts which I’ve grown quite fond of on the Hillborne.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any speculation as to how the Joe ride would compare to Sam? To any
>> other Riv models? I’ve seen people posting reports such as, "like the
>> hillborne but with more clearances" and "cross between Atlantis and
>> Hunqapillar” and "cross between Atlantis and Hillborne”. Now that the
>> Appaloosa is officially in presale, I would love to hear what people are
>> thinking about its place in the Riv line up.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>
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