Okay, so I borrowed a B17 this morning and set it up on my Ogre (73 seat 
tube angle) with a Velo Orange long setback post (30mm setback), and even 
with the saddle slammed, still didn't have enough setback. Also couldn't 
get the nose angled up high enough. Within the next couple years I intend 
to own a frame with a slacker seat tube angle, but in the interim I'll have 
to come up with something with rails that will allow for greater setback, 
which I understand is a feature of the Rivet Loveland. 

I'm pretty curious about that C67, too. Any owners of which in this group?


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