> Dept of Consumer Protection (or whomever) had mandated this so that
> bio-fuels didn't get "a competitive advantage"(!).  .

Any support for this, other than a comment by someone with a financial
stake in keeping the prices higher?

> Lastly, so there is no confusion, I respect the gentleman's right to
> follow his conscience.  He is free and right to do so, as long as what
> he does, does not pee in the water upstream from where others drink.

How can that even be a worry based on my comments?  There is no way my
decision to give up a car in Chicago (and btw, I have a 15 minute bike
ride to the CTA train here on the Northwest Side of the city) has a
negative impact on any car drivers.  On the other hand, whether one
accepts climate change or not, there can be no argument fossil fuel
use has a far reaching negative impact.  Is your point peeing upstream
only matters when the pee-er is in the decided minority?

On Jan 19, 8:14 am, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Living where I live in New England, cycling year round is impractical,
> plus for my business, I have to be places, sometimes from Boston, to
> Hartford, to Brattlebor all in the same day.
>
> To that end, I needed to able to carry things, people, plow my
> driveway when needed etc.,  So I dive a 4 dr Dodge diesel pick-up.
> Earlier in it's life I was able to buy B100 (pure veg diesel fuel),
> and in colder whether, down to around 30 deg, I'd run B-20 (20% of
> same).  Below that only traeted fuel will work w/o the dreaded gelling
> that occurs.
>
> A funny thing started coming to my attention.  Every time the price of
> "dino" diesel went up, Bio-fuels went up so they were always slightly
> higher.  When I asked why, my Bio-fuel dealer told me that the state
> Dept of Consumer Protection (or whomever) had mandated this so that
> bio-fuels didn't get "a competitive advantage"(!).  I gave up at that
> point.  I commute (35 miles one-way) when I can, drive when I need to
> and do what's necessary to make a living.
>
> I've spent time in Evanston IL, just off the Red Line (I think) and
> never drove anywhere, even caught the train out to O'hare.  Pretty
> nice but that will never, ever happen in this day of NIMBY.  People
> won't allow it.  But if not for that system, those residents would be
> driving also, without a doubt.
>
> As stated in another thread, I'm hoping I see the day when there is no
> more fuel oil, coal etc., available-use it all up as fast as you can,
> be glutenous in your consumption.  We'll then get nukes, and
> everything will be electric.  Without those reliable sources of power,
> which solar/wind will never provide, we
> re screwed anyway.  That goes for the rest of the world.  Nobody in a
> developing country thinks about 50 years down the road, that's a
> luxury we have in the U.S., Europe, etc.  BTW, the reason the Euro's
> can put money into bike lanes, alt trans projects, etc., is because
> they don't have much of a defense budget-we do that for them!!!  Think
> about it, U.S. bases all over Europe, and trust me, the governments
> want us there to do that heavy lifting.
>
> Lastly, so there is no confusion, I respect the gentleman's right to
> follow his conscience.  He is free and right to do so, as long as what
> he does, does not pee in the water upstream from where others drink.
>
> Sorry, a bit long.
>
> RGZ
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:51 AM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Liked the editorial, but disagree with one of GP's points.
>
> > I gave up cars completely and flying for all but work and emergencies
> > 6 years ago because they are such wasteful modes of transit.  To me it
> > is a green choice.  I realize my actions mean very little with most
> > here in Chicago wtill in cars and O'Hare handling so much unnecessary
> > flying.
>
> > I believe my choices are the correct ones.  So I follow my conscious,
> > whether it fixes the planet or not.
>
> > On Jan 19, 7:26 am, newenglandbike <matthiasbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Wow, that's a good read.    "Cars and bikes both are vehicles, in the
> >> same way that a Glock and a Squirtgun are both guns" is a kind of
> >> potent analogy right now, however imprecise analogies may be.
>
> >> The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability
> >> of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is
> >> something that's resonated with me for a long time.   Sometimes I long
> >> to move to a place like that, but then I wonder why shouldn't I just
> >> try to be be more active in trying to help change happen here, which
> >> i'm woefully not and just riding a bike doesn't really do
> >> anything.     It seems futile riding a bike for 'green' reasons, or
> >> because you think it's right thing to do-- even if you do it for those
> >> reasons--   and it's easy to end up suppressing frustration at the
> >> status quo, but reading stuff like this always brings it back to the
> >> surface, which is probably a good thing.    um I doubt that makes any
> >> sense. which means it's probably too early for me to be typing right
> >> now.   yesterday's ride home west of boston was a slush-ice
> >> nightmare.   Thank god for studded tires but even they were out of
> >> their league.     we were expecting some weather, but if i knew it
> >> would be that bad I would've stayed home.
>
> >> On Jan 18, 7:23 pm, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> > There's an interesting editorial on rivbike right now about how bikes 
> >> > aren't the same as cars.
>
> >> > It reminds me of something I often remember when teaching students: the 
> >> > idea that doing what's right and fair for a kid is sometimes not the 
> >> > same thing for any two given kids.
>
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