Thanks for the details, Bruce. Has this really worked out for you? Do you find that it takes only a little bump to make the fender rub? I have a nice Trek 620 frame but I found that if I pushed the boundaries of fender clearance it would rub every time I stood up.
This conversation has been fascinating to me, but it just went for the academic to the personal. I have been riding my Ram with an expensive pair of 23mm Continental GP tires, which were a gift from my son. (In case any of you don't know this you don't say no thanks to gifts from your son, no matter how wrong the size is.) I came home today from a ride on Vermont's broken roads - they weren't good before Irene blew through and definitely haven't improved since). Anyway, a post ride inspection revealed a significant sidewall cut in the rear tire, so I know it is time to think about new ones. What to buy? The bike has 43mm hammered Honjos, now eight years old, and I have mostly run Ruffy-Tuffys, but wouldn't mind something faster, if I didn't have to sacrifice comfort, in fact I would like to increase comfort. Both Jitensha and VO state that you can run 35 mm tires under 43 mm fenders, but I have a hard time believing that, since both Al & steel fenders have rolled edges that eats about 8 mm of real estate. PJW's web site suggest actual tire width plus 18 mm for metal fenders, and that seems more realistic. At least 14 mm anyway. There seems to be room on my Ram for a 52 mm fender, with a little judicious cutting around the chain stays. How big are the fenders others are running on a Ram? I'm running Paul's Racer Ms, so brake clearance is not an issue. The second thing about metal fenders is that the bolts take up a lot of space underneath the fender. Have people found a work around for this? One simple solution for me would be to reinstall the fenders, with some extra holes and then buy the Grand Bois Cerfs, which list at 29mm, but I am told run a bit large, and offer fast performance & decent comfort. Tomorrow I hope to do the exact same ride on my Ebisu, with Jack Brown's, and see what feels different. Michael On Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:17:18 PM UTC-4, Bruce Curry wrote: > > Here are the pics of my Ram with 33.33 Jack Browns and 45mm VO > Stainless fenders. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/taizocurry/6925065306/in/photostream/ > > The one change to the standard VO install is the the rear hanger was > clipped to fit and be mounted from underneath the fender. I cut a > small slot with a dremel so that the hanger head could fit thru the > fender from the bottom to reach the brake bridge. The other tweak was > to wrap the stay bolts with hemp twine to keep the pronounced rattle > to a dull roar. > > Bruce > > > On Apr 12, 6:38 am, Stephen S <elphk...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Can we see pics or a write up on how to do this? I think a lot of us Ram > > riders would love to run a Jack Brown / Fender combination. I also > second > > the request on what year your ram is from. It's possible some > > change occurred in later years (like the rack braze-ons folks have > > mentioned that aren't on my blue ram) > > > > I run 28s (Gatorskins but have run Roly-Polys ) with the SKS P35s and > feel > > like I have barely enough room those and Bigmouth 57s. The BM57s were a > big > > improvement over the Shimano R600 brakes but I can't see how to get > bigger > > tires and fenders under them. > > > > Love to see some shots / write up =) > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:05:35 AM UTC-7, Bruce Curry wrote: > > > > > Point of order on fenders on Ram: > > > > > All I have 33.3 Jack Browns with fenders (45mm stainless VO's). The > > > silver brakes probably help w/clearance. Took a couple hours to > > > install/tweak but worth it. > > > > > Bruce > > > > > On Apr 11, 2:21 pm, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > Compared to what came later, the only functional "drawback" of the > Ram > > > is tire clearance, and it's not really a drawback compared to the rest > of > > > the world. The Ram can ONLY take 700x33.33333's without fenders. > > > > > > Rivendells evolved since the Ram's inception in 2001, and both AHH > and > > > Roadeo beat out the Ram in tire/fender clearance. But necessarily in > > > awesomeness. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >From: Rambouilleting Utahn <glam...@gmail.com> > > > > >Sent: Apr 11, 2012 10:41 AM > > > > >To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > > > > >Subject: [RBW] Re: Where does the Rivendell Rambouillet fit in with > > > other Rivs? > > > > > > >Jim (Cyclefiend and keeper of this list) has the a very good page > on > > > > >the Ram on his website > > > > > > >http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html > > > > > > >If I remember correctly the AHH compared to the Ram has slightly > > > > >stouter tubing, wider clearance for tires and fenders (built around > > > > >the Silver brake) and a few other differences. > > > > > > >Regarding the rack mounts the later Rams had rack mounts midway > down > > > > >the fork, not sure about midway down the seat stays. If I ever have > to > > > > >repaint my Ram I will have the mid fork mounts added. > > > > > > >hope that helps. > > > > > > >On Apr 11, 11:33 am, Ryan Ray <ryanr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> I thought the Rodeo was a direct decendant of the Ram but it > seems > > > like > > > > >> maybe the Ram was halfway between a Rodeo and a A Homer Hilsen? > Is it > > > just > > > > >> a Hilsen without good rack mounts? 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