Man, that's an effective analogy!  I'm going to use that...

Steve, make mine loafers.

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Peter Pesce <petepe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Exactly. What if every shoe store in America only sold running shoes and
> hiking boots? And the staff looked at you cross-eyed if you dared  suggest
> you might want to do anything but run or hike. You'd have to dig deep into
> the dark corners of some internet "sub-culture" to buy loafers, or sandals!
>
> On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:03:40 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> wrote:
>>
>> When I first started cycling as an adult, I purchased a $430 big-brand
>> "hybrid" style bike that was god-awful ugly but served my novice self
>> perfectly as a commuter and general transportation/recreation machine. But
>> when I decided that I was committed enough to bikes to get something
>> fancier/cooler, the big-brand shop didn't have any upgrades that weren't
>> racing-style bikes or suspended MTBs. The message was clear: the only way
>> to be a serious cyclist was to aspire to the racing image and racing
>> paradigms. I knew that probably was not ever going to be my cup of tea. The
>> ensuing internet research led me to conclude that a touring bike was what I
>> really wanted, but the only one likely to be found locally was the Trek
>> 520, and none of the local shops I called had one in stock. Eventually, I
>> "discovered" and purchased an Atlantis. That was my first truly good bike,
>> and even though I no longer own it, it has influenced all my subsequent
>> ideas about bikes.
>>
>> Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are
>> probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went
>> that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of
>> other options?
>>
>> On Monday, May 21, 2012 10:05:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote:
>>>
>>> On May 18, 8:18 am, Pondero <cj.spin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect
>>> that
>>> > some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun.
>>>
>>> Agreed.  Almost every racer I know has a lot of fun doing it.  And
>>> despite certain preferences (some misguided, for sure), a lot of
>>> racers are actually pretty passionate about cycling in general which
>>> is a good thing.  Whether we kike it or not, cycling is still a sport
>>> and it's not just "lance wannabes" who do it - the vast majority of
>>> people will never race anywhere near the elite level, let alone pro
>>> level.  But they do anyway because it's fun to challenge yourself and
>>> participate in something.  It's no different than any other physical
>>> endeavor - you can take it as far as you want.
>>>
>>> There's a marathon in Burlington, VT this weekend - the event is about
>>> as a good of an example as you can get of people of different
>>> abilities challenging themselves in the same "race."  99% of the
>>> people who line up know they will not win the race.  100% are there to
>>> prove something to themselves without regard for winning or losing -
>>> just finishing, or setting a personal record (the "PR") will be a big
>>> deal.  it's very similar to randonneuring.  bike racing is the same.
>>> it's all the same - we set goals and take steps to achieve them.
>>> whatever keeps people inspired and motivated, more power to them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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