this thread started before i left to ride my atlantis across the cascades
and elsewhere, and i return to see it continues. that's funny!

anyone who has read this list always knows that there are always going to
be people who pop in to troll or otherwise; posts of the sort "look at me,
i like ALL bikes why don't you you ignoramus."

But it doesn't really work that way, this is a place where people who want
to talk about lugged bikes will. Like every place on the internet, people
will always want to come in and yell about how that place doesn't really
get it, as we may be tempted to otherwise. I subscribe, as there are also
some really good ride reports that come up, but I bit my keyboarding tongue
a lot about a whole variety of things. I think people like to make up
stories about so and so having ideology x, y or z, because it's just easier
that way. It happens on this list, it happens to all sorts of people with
any sort of recognition, it's terribly easy and terribly boring--human, all
too human, right?

I really wish the biggest problem worth discussion was that us mean
rivendell list members were dissuading significant portions of the public
from riding bicycles made of carbon fiber, but I bet you can count the
number of times that happens every year without trying too hard. That said,
the rhetoric is really bias the other way. This isn't a debate between two
equal sides in other words, and so don't construe peoples energy and love
of a niche group to be conflated with koolaid or ideology as much as it is
with embracing and pursuing an approach they probably have very little of
in the place they live. I lived in Omaha, NE, for some time--how many
rivendells are there? I know of 2, maybe?

I recommend anyone engaged by a two week long argument on the internet step
outside and remember we live on a fragile rock hurtling through the
enormity of an infinite cosmos.

It's not what you have or say, but it's what you do.

What have all the posters in this thread been doing? I'd much rather hear
about that.

Ride on,

erik

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Scott Henry <ske...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely.
> I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to
> like it.
>
> A bike is a bike.  Ride them all.   Don't talk anyone out of riding
> anything.
>
> And personally, I like obnoxious women.
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly <tkslee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from.
>>
>> As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ...  So do you
>> complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys.  Probably.. :)
>>
>> Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon.
>>
>> I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one
>> seat post break.
>>
>> Haven't broke the others yet
>>
>> I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails.
>>
>> I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general..
>> What's your excuse.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
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