Thanks Eric! I was tempted to write something similar, but you nailed
it. I really dislike seeing this sort of persistent digression over
such a long time, but it think it is almost unavoidable. I refer to
this process as "Thread Entropy". It starts with "OT drift", which
opens the door to all manner of free association. This group is better
than most at remaining civil and on-topic, but it still happens. In a
perfect world, or at least a minimally moderated forum, everyone would
actually read the subject line before writing. This one has gotten away
with major drift under the auspices of "Grant started it by writing a
book", which is a pretty thin justification for the direction it's gone.
I'd recommend we put this horse back in the barn and start something else.
Dave
On 7/13/2012 10:28 PM, erik jensen wrote:
this thread started before i left to ride my atlantis across the
cascades and elsewhere, and i return to see it continues. that's funny!
anyone who has read this list always knows that there are always going
to be people who pop in to troll or otherwise; posts of the sort "look
at me, i like ALL bikes why don't you you ignoramus."
But it doesn't really work that way, this is a place where people who
want to talk about lugged bikes will. Like every place on the
internet, people will always want to come in and yell about how that
place doesn't really get it, as we may be tempted to otherwise. I
subscribe, as there are also some really good ride reports that come
up, but I bit my keyboarding tongue a lot about a whole variety of
things. I think people like to make up stories about so and so having
ideology x, y or z, because it's just easier that way. It happens on
this list, it happens to all sorts of people with any sort of
recognition, it's terribly easy and terribly boring--human, all too
human, right?
I really wish the biggest problem worth discussion was that us mean
rivendell list members were dissuading significant portions of the
public from riding bicycles made of carbon fiber, but I bet you can
count the number of times that happens every year without trying too
hard. That said, the rhetoric is really bias the other way. This isn't
a debate between two equal sides in other words, and so don't construe
peoples energy and love of a niche group to be conflated with koolaid
or ideology as much as it is with embracing and pursuing an approach
they probably have very little of in the place they live. I lived in
Omaha, NE, for some time--how many rivendells are there? I know of 2,
maybe?
I recommend anyone engaged by a two week long argument on the internet
step outside and remember we live on a fragile rock hurtling through
the enormity of an infinite cosmos.
It's not what you have or say, but it's what you do.
What have all the posters in this thread been doing? I'd much rather
hear about that.
Ride on,
erik
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Scott Henry <ske...@gmail.com
<mailto:ske...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely.
I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you
not to like it.
A bike is a bike. Ride them all. Don't talk anyone out of
riding anything.
And personally, I like obnoxious women.
Scott
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly <tkslee...@gmail.com
<mailto:tkslee...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from.
As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ... So
do you complain on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys.
Probably.. :)
Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum,
and carbon.
I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon
stems, one seat post break.
Haven't broke the others yet
I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it
fails.
I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in
general.. What's your excuse.
Kelly
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