Very interesting; I find the Silvers far better than the old SunTour Power Rachets; in fact, the Silvers are the best BES I've ever used. I don't have a problem with them loosening. I use them off road, too. Perhaps I just have lower expectations? I am pretty sure I shift less than most multi-speed riders. Also, my smallest cogs are 15 and 16 (two wheelsets); I wonder if you ghost shift less with bigger cogs?
FWIW, too, when I friction shift modern 9 and 10 sp cassettes, everything certainly works better than with the old 5 speed fws I've used, at least using modern, early-index derailleurs: shifting old SunTour 6 speed and old Miscellaneous 5 speed fws on the trike with a Simplex retrofriction and a mid '80s Shimano slant parallel was an exercise in patience and planning ahead. OTOH, I found the stem shift/Huret Alvit/5 speed wide range fw setup on a former Collegiate to shift just fine. Ultimate indexing: flip the wheel; or, even better, stand up and honk. On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Phil Bickford <phi...@sonic.net> wrote: > Thanks for writing up your experiences with these different and quite > interesting bikes. I could never get the Silvers to work for me. I wish > Grant had gone one (big) step more in engineering and designed them with a > ratcheting action like the Suntour Bar-ends I had on some of my older bikes. > They seem to shift quite nicely with a soft tick or two and ghost shift far > less. YMMV. > > I'm sort of fascinated with the level of precision you expect from an ancient > and obsolete system of tightening of a cable, and from the human hand after > hours of riding. And all this on a system with narrow spacing and thining > sprockets. If I was using friction shifting of any kind, I'd be reaching to > tighten up the D ring every time I stood up to pedal. > > It would drive me bonkers speculating what else could be hampering my > shifting, there are so many variables. I would first have to convince myself > the derailler was up to the job, then study the cable routing and stops also > being sure the cables inside your Ferrells are cut and ground cleanly to > eliminate any chance of movement. Frayed or broken wire strands? Got some > kind of guide for the cables over the bottom bracket? > > It might be enough to convince me to go back to five speed cassettes. > > My last cable shifting derailler bike was Campy Chorus, so I've already gone > over to the dark side. But, considering what my expectations would be > comparing that with the old way, I'm afraid I'd be disappointed too much of > the time with friction. > > Keep up the fight, and be comfortable with whatever you ride with. > > Phil B > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/aSkgDV6WnUAJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- "Believe nothing until it has been officially denied." -- Claude Cockburn ------------------------- Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html ------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
