Heidrun, I look at MARC to RDA mapping. It shows that the corresponding RDA instruction number is "N/A". So I have to say that I do not know :)
Have a great weekend, Joan Wang On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller < wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de> wrote: > Joan, > > That is exactly the question: Is it indeed a matter of recording > relationships between two expressions when I record the original language > in 041 $h or write a note like "Translated from the French"? My feeling is > that it is something else, and I wonder what exactly it is and whether this > is covered by RDA somehow. > > If we look at RDA 26.1 (Related expression), there are three possibilities > for recording a relationship between two expressions: Either by an > identifier, by an authorized access point or by a description (structured > or unstructured). The first two options are certainly out of the question > in our case. Now, could "Translated from the French" or the code "fre" in > 041 $h be counted as some sort of shorthand way for an unstructured > description of the related expression? That's where I have my doubts. > > Now, if the information we record by the translation note or the code for > the original language is _not_ a relationship to another expression - what > else could it be? I think that what we record here is in fact an attribute > of another expression. So, the composite description seems to contain > attributes of two different expressions at the same time (the one I'm > actually describing and the one with the original language). This looks a > bit odd to me. > > Mind, I'm not saying that the information given in a "translated from" > note or a code in 041 is not useful. Quite the contrary: I think it's very > sensible to record it. Only I can't find a suitable RDA element for it - > unless we really see it as shorthand for a relationship, which I would find > hard to stomach. > > Probably Mac is going to say that we shouldn't agonize about it and simply > go on doing it ;-) > > Heidrun > > > > > Hi, Heidrun > > I am not sure if I understand your issue correctly. Does it go > relationships between expressions? So we can use structured or unstructured > descriptions, or relationship designators in authorized access points. > > If I am not right, please feel free to correct me. > > Thanks, > Joan Wang > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller < > wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de> wrote: > >> Sorry, I pushed the wrong button just now - here's the complete text of >> the mail: >> >> -------------- >> >> >> I wonder how a note like "Translated from the French" does fit in with >> RDA, in a composite description scenario. The same goes for codes in MARC >> 041 $h giving information about the original language, e.g.: >> >> 041 1# $a eng $h fre >> (text in English, translated from French) >> >> The only possible RDA elements I can think of for this kind of >> information are 6.11 (Language of expression) and 7.12 (Language of the >> content), but I'm not really happy with that. 6.11 doesn't seem to work, >> because "French" is not the language of the expression described, but the >> language of a different expression. Similarly, 7.12 is about the content of >> the present resource only. >> >> The problem seems to be that the information we're giving here is an >> attribute of a different expression. >> >> Admittedly, this is a perhaps an academic question only, but still: Any >> ideas? >> >> Heidrun >> >> >> >> -- >> --------------------- >> Prof. Heidrun Wiesenmueller M.A. >> Stuttgart Media University >> Faculty of Information and Communication >> Wolframstr. 32, 70191 Stuttgart, Germany >> www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi >> > > > > -- > Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. > Cataloger -- CMC > Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) > 6725 Goshen Road > Edwardsville, IL 62025 > 618.656.3216x409 > 618.656.9401Fax > > > > -- > --------------------- > Prof. Heidrun Wiesenmueller M.A. > Stuttgart Media University > Faculty of Information and Communication > Wolframstr. 32, 70191 Stuttgart, Germanywww.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi > > -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax
