In that case I can stop paying attention to jira, since the perception is that we do not care anyway. This will free up a reasonable amount of time that I can spend on parts of reactos that only i care about.
On 25 March 2017 at 14:01, Alexander Rechitskiy <art1st...@yandex.ru> wrote: > > > “Talk is cheap. Show me the code.” ― Linus Torvalds > > > > > Speed of development of ReactOS is really slow. Developers do not care even > about reports in JIRA. This discussion is sensles and useless because > regardless of the it's result nothing will be better in ReactOS. > > > > > 25.03.2017, 15:52, "Robert Naumann" <gonzo...@gmail.com>: > > There should simply be more devs in #reactos. Some are, but many are not. > Everyone of us is able to give voice to newbies and direct dev related > conversations to the dev channel. When we open this chan to the public we > could instead remove it and do everything via #reactos. > > Am 25.03.2017 13:33 schrieb "David Quintana (gigaherz)" > <gigah...@gmail.com>: > > I don't see any usefulness in a #reactos-gsoc. It would isolate the gsoc > people, rather than help them integrate into the team. Remember Google isn't > just giving projects some free labor, the goal is to introduce new devs into > the communities with the idea of them remaining in those communities. So > being in the main channels should be part of the goal of gsoc. > > On 25 March 2017 at 08:53, Michael Fritscher <mich...@fritscher.net> wrote: > > Too many chans will clutter it, in the end the devs will have to join 10 > chans. The chans aren't that high-traffic ones. > > I think we should yust try to do a -m and see what happens. > >> Yes, that's a better idea. #reactos-gsoc >> >> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Alex Ionescu <ion...@videotron.ca> wrote: >> >>> I don't agree. Maintain the auto-voice lists and get someone in charge >>> of >>> operations, like I used to be for many years on IRC. >>> >>> Instead, why not create a #reactos-gsoc or something? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Alex Ionescu >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Mark Jansen <learn0more+...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> We can always try it out? >>>> If it doesnt work, restoring it is a simple as setting a flag on the >>>> channel. >>>> >>>> On 24 March 2017 at 16:31, David Quintana (gigaherz) >>>> <gigah...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > I disagree -- if we can be firm about the channel being only for >>>> development >>>> > talk, things should remain mostly as they are now. >>>> > >>>> > In any community, there's inevitably going to be idle talk, offtopic >>>> > conversations, etc. If you only have ONE place to talk in, all those >>>> thigns >>>> > are going to be mixed in with actual dev talk, but if you have clear >>>> rooms >>>> > set for each thing, the majority of people will be happy to leave all >>>> the >>>> > offtopic talk to the main channel, and dev talk to the dev channel. >>>> > >>>> > It works for plenty other projects and communities so there's no >>>> reason >>>> to >>>> > be pessimistic and think that "our idiots are worse". It's simply not >>>> true. >>>> > >>>> > I vote for trying, and we can always put back the +m if things get >>>> out >>>> of >>>> > hand. >>>> > >>>> > On 24 March 2017 at 16:13, Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAà TO >>>> <hermes.belu...@sfr.fr> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit >>>> originally >>>> >> #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we >>>> remove >>>> the >>>> >> moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same >>>> phenomenon >>>> to >>>> >> occur in #reactos-dev too. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> De : Ros-dev [mailto:ros-dev-boun...@reactos.org] De la part de >>>> David >>>> >> Quintana (gigaherz) >>>> >> Envoyé : vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35 >>>> >> À : ReactOS Development List >>>> >> Objet : Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> I approve the idea. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck <co...@reactos.org> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Hi all! >>>> >> >>>> >> As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated >>>> IRC >>>> >> channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can >>>> >> talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, >>>> no >>>> >> topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a >>>> >> notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days. >>>> >> >>>> >> This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a >>>> way >>>> to >>>> >> interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate >>>> >> questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we >>>> don't >>>> >> maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some >>>> contributors >>>> >> have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev. >>>> >> >>>> >> Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students >>>> shall >>>> >> submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers. >>>> >> How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be >>>> an >>>> >> exclusive club? >>>> >> >>>> >> Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit >>>> on >>>> >> #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there. >>>> >> Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people >>>> get >>>> >> too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if >>>> nothing >>>> >> else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on >>>> #reactos-dev, >>>> >> it's fully in their hands. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers, >>>> >> >>>> >> Colin >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Ros-dev mailing list >>>> >> Ros-dev@reactos.org >>>> >> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Ros-dev mailing list >>>> >> Ros-dev@reactos.org >>>> >> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Ros-dev mailing list >>>> > Ros-dev@reactos.org >>>> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ros-dev mailing list >>>> Ros-dev@reactos.org >>>> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ros-dev mailing list >>> Ros-dev@reactos.org >>> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ros-dev mailing list >> Ros-dev@reactos.org >> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-dev mailing list > Ros-dev@reactos.org > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-dev mailing list > Ros-dev@reactos.org > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev > > , > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-dev mailing list > Ros-dev@reactos.org > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev > > > > -- > Best regards, > > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-dev mailing list > Ros-dev@reactos.org > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
