Hi,
yes there might be some problems with getting in touch to the right ppl
on IRC and even worse on the forums. It's a problem we can hardly change
because everyone lives somewhere else and has other circumstances in his
life. So a 24:7 presence might become difficult. For such I recommend a
mailing list for exactly that one case. Add it to website and we are
set. SO... in theory your idea, but as mailing list ^^
P.S. Main reason why devs are not in the forums or #reactos are exactly
what we saw here in mailing list as 100% perfect example. Drama,
Kindergarten and ppl who have NO CLUE (who the F***K told you we can
hire devs at ease??! I'd like to talk to that guy...) what they are
talking about. Our devs are here to develop and not to play babysitter
or being accused for having a real life and real work and real problems
and thus are being accused to be lazy dipshits who don't even care about
the project, any report by one special person or being reckless or
WHATEVER you said we are. For handling all that we would need someone
else.... with adamantium nerves! As you all know me, I would happily do
that (maaaany toys for meee ^^), but that would end in a massacre for
sure. With some b33r afterwards, but still a massacre.
I can only recommend one thing to that special persion I talk to right
now. Yes, I appreciate your support, yes we all do, but stop dreaming
and come back to reality (we have cookies). We talk about a freaking
OPERATING SYSTEM based on a CLOSED ARCHITECTURE. This is no LibreOffice
with way less closed stuff to understand and reimplement.
https://snag.gy/YZLkQh.jpg
Greetings
Daniel
Am 25.03.2017 um 23:07 schrieb tobia...@posteo.de:
Hello everybody,
I'm new to ReactOS for just a few days. I did not contribute to
ReactOS yet. So, I don't feel qualified to discuss Colin's proposal,
but maybe it'll help you giving you statements from another perspective.
Since there already exist so many answers, I just decided to answer
Colin's proposal directly.
I think that your problem is not a technical one. What you need are
people feeling responsible to newcomers.
A week ago, when I joined #reactos, I asked for some legal advice.
Luckily, learn_more copied my question to #reactos-dev since I
wouldn't have joined that chan on my own, because I'm not a developer
yet. Unfortunately, my question has not been answered yet a couple of
hours later, so I followed learn_more's hint to reask my question on
the ReactOS devs mailing list. There, I got different answers leading
me to the thought that nobody is quite sure about it. Afterwards, I
supposed that someone could adapt the Wiki due to the clarification,
but nobody cared, not even now.
There is also another newcomer, Pranay Pratyush, who asked for some
newbie help, too, but nobody answered yet (at least not publicly).
This also reinforced my impression that nobody feels responsible to
new people. I bet, if you would welcome them, you could have more
developers in a few weeks.
Instead of Colin's proposal, I suggest that you create a new IRC
channel #reactos-dev-newbies (or something like that) and put in some
of you who will greet newcomers and so on. This chan might be open for
everyone. Once established, this should fulfill its purpose round the
clock. Thus, it'll force you to have some of you being responsible to
newcomers.
I hope that I could help.
Tobias
Am 24.03.2017 11:21 schrieb Colin Finck:
Hi all!
As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated IRC
channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can
talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there, no
topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a
notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a way to
interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate
questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we don't
maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some contributors
have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students shall
submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers.
How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be an
exclusive club?
Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit on
#reactos-dev and let everybody talk there.
Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people get
too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if nothing
else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on #reactos-dev,
it's fully in their hands.
Cheers,
Colin
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