On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:07 AM, John Cremona <john.crem...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why not move this thread to the sage-windows group?
+1 -- I cross-posted my response there. > > John > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Apr 20, 10:20 pm, RegB <2regburg...@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> Perhaps even farther off topic; >>> I doubt that Cygwin (Cygwin/X) is in any case a good path for many/ >>> most MS_Windows >>> folk - from THEIR point of view. >>> The path to getting Cygwin/X up and running "usefully" on a MS_Windows >>> platform >>> is long and arduous for the naive user, e.g. it was so for me. >> >> one probably won't need X11 part, if the graphics is handled via the >> notebook/browser. >> The only things needed from the user would be to start Sage "server" >> application, which >> can be just one click, and then open the browser to connect to it. >> >> In fact, deploying an application that uses cygwin.dll is trivial --- >> Sage is of course >> much more, as it needs a subset of the development environment to take >> advantage of Cygwin etc. >> >>> >>> Oracle (Sun) VM_VirtualBox installs as a MS_Windows program. >>> It is "culturally compatible" with everything the user is used to. >>> The learning curve to then install a standard Linux distro, e.g. >>> Ubuntu or Debian, then Sage within that is quite trivial. >>> VMware is another possibility, although I think that isn't "free". >>> >>> For Sage to be adopted WIDELY by windows users the path >>> to getting it up and running needs to be simple and reasonably quick. >>> Cygwin /X does not (yet) offer that. >>> >>> For my very simple needs/wants there has not been a performance >>> issue with Vista->VirtualBox->Debian->Sage, although it would seem >>> that Vista->Cygwin/X->Sage may perform better simply by having >>> one fewer layers - Yes/No ? >> >> the VM performance hit might be relatively minor, but the amount of >> resources a VM >> takes is quite big, compared to Cygwin. >> >>> >>> On Apr 19, 7:27 am, Keshav Kini <keshav.k...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > Perhaps a bit off topic, but is there any possibility of Sage ever being >>> > ported to Windows natively, i.e. without cygwin dependencies? We have a >>> > couple thousand lines worth of shell scripts currently underpinning Sage, >>> > and we'd probably have to convert those to Python or something to make >>> > them >>> > portable to Windows, right? Does anyone know what benefits we would gain >>> > from not using cygwin? >>> >>> > -Keshav >>> >>> > ---- >>> > Join us in #sagemath on irc.freenode.net ! >> >> -- >> To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >> sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel >> URL: http://www.sagemath.org >> > > -- > To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel > URL: http://www.sagemath.org > -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
