Well, to be fair to the schooltool mailing list users, I did find Brian's initial reply, which was in fact cc'd to the list.
Unfortunately it had been tagged by my spam filter (Sorry Brian, the last MTA domain came up as unknown in the dns lookup, it happens some times) and I've only just found it. I guess it's safe to assume that since my address was already in the cc list, the mailing list (correctly) didn't attempt to send me a second copy. Hence, I never got any. On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:34:21 -0600, Amy Stephen wrote > No problem - lol! Thanks for that. > > And your explanation was SOOO GOOD, Scott, that I realize now that I > did a REPLY TO ALL, not a REPLY, thus making your point. (sorry, I > can be a dope.) > > I think the SchoolTool organizers will read your very clearly > written post, below, and see your point is that the way the listserv > is configured, important peer-to-peer communication is not happening > -- instead, responses are only going back to the original poster -- > not the group -- and optimal learning suffers. > > Right? If not, sorry, again! > > Wish you well, friend. It's Friday! Take care. > > Amy Stephen > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (402) 994-5805 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Scott Mazur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [schooltool] Install help > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:28:06 -0600 > Sorry Amy, I don't mean to come across as strongly as I appear. I > thought you were more closely linked to the operation of the mailing > list. Please accept my apology. > > When you (as in you Amy, not the world in general) reply to a list > message, your mail client is in fact doing a 'reply to all'. That's > why you get both [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > [email protected] in the to address. It may be a setting in > your mail client to do this by default and you may never really have > thought about it. > > Normally when you (as in me and the rest of the world) reply to mail, > the mail client only sends it to the address listed in the 'reply- > to:' found in the message. > > The mailing list should put [email protected] in the 'reply- > to:' so when you reply to a message it goes directly to the list (so > other list subscribers can see it). Instead it places the original > sender in the 'reply-to:' so when you reply, it goes only to the > sender, not the list. So by default the mailing list is encouraging > it's subscribers (except you it would seem) to message each other > directly instead of posting through the list for all to see. That's > pretty much what happened to my request for help. Sigh... > > I've listened to mailing list owners arguments about how that's how the > mailing list should operate, often with list examples a mile long > that do the very same. These are usually very competent individuals > with years and years of experience. They're also stuck on an > outdated notion that was based on a mailing list system that > predates the web (a time when you HAD to be a guru just to use a > mailing list). > > I'm saddened to see that Schooltool has chosen to take this route > with their mailing list setup. Personally I find it speaks volumes > about the mindset of the maintainers. Others may disagree. > > Scott > > -- > Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org > Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! > (http://www.littlefish.ca) > > On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:01:20 -0600, Amy Stephen wrote > > Maybe I don't understand what you are saying. When I do a reply, it > > automatically lists "[EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [email protected]" in my "To:" text box. > > > > Scott - I am really new to this list -- like two weeks tops! So, you > > are kind of scaring me! > > > > I was only trying to let you know that I did get your email. Maybe, > > though, I do not understand what you are saying. If so, I am truly sorry! > > > > Amy > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From: "Scott Mazur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [schooltool] Install help > > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:59:02 -0600 > > Sorry Amy, you're wrong. > > > > The messages sent 'by the list' do not include a 'reply-to' address > > back to the list. All list messages are all sent as reply to the > > poster. You can check mail headers all you want, the only return > > reference to the list is the intial from line which correctly lists > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the 'to' address, which any > > correct mail client would ignore in a reply. > > > > The only way to reply to the list is by using a 'reply to all' > > option which is the first sign of a broken mailing list. > > > > The fact that my initial post for help ended with nothing more then > > the tail end of a conversation carried on outside of the list is > > proof of this. Or are you going to tell me that you got all 'those' > > messages from the list? > > > > Of course, if you feel that the list is only here to spark private > > conversations outside of the list, then this list is a waste of the public's > > time and serves no one. > > > > Scott > > > > -- > > Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org > > Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! > > (http://www.littlefish.ca) > > > > On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:25:45 -0600, Amy Stephen wrote > > > Actually, Scott, I could have included "the list" in my response, > > > but removed them intentionally from the send to. I wanted to > > > privately let you know that you were wrong -- the listserv is > > > working correctly. > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > Amy > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > From: "Scott Mazur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [schooltool] Install help > > > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:23:54 -0600 > > > Thanks Amy. > > > > > > See that's what I mean. The list automatically sets the return > > > address to the sender, not the list. I got your reply, no one on the > > > mailing list did > > > (unless you cc'd the list). > > > > > > How is anyone supposed to learn anything new from the list with this > > > setup? > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > -- > > > Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org > > > Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! > > > (http://www.littlefish.ca) > > > > > > On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:15:19 -0600, Amy Stephen wrote > > > > Scott - I got your reply! > > > > > > > > Sorry I can't help you - I just started listening in. Good luck! > > > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > From: "Scott Mazur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [schooltool] Install help > > > > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:12:13 -0600 > > > > On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:36:35 -0500, Stephan Richter wrote > > > > > On Friday 17 March 2006 05:18, Brian Sutherland wrote: > > > > > > Apparently the people who designed zpkg thought that unixy people > > > > > > were > > > > > > more comfortable with the ./configure; make; make install dance than > > > > > > using distutils. > > > > > > > > > > Yep. It was a *big* deal to support this format! > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Stephan > > > > > -- > > > > > Stephan Richter > > > > > CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) > > > > > Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training > > > > > > > > OK, seems I didn't get one lick of the replies between my initial > > > > post for help and this one, and obviously there's been some > > > > conversation exchanged. > > > > > > > > I also see that my reply isn't destined for the mailing list, which probably > > > > explains why I got nothing. > > > > > > > > Cripes, this isn't one of those 'old school/grumpy old men' Unix > > > > mailing lists where you've got to have a 15 year history with 'real > > > > unix' before you can ever hope to use it correctly? > > > > > > > > I'm beginning to understand why it's been so difficult to find > > > > install info. > > > > > > > > Ladies and Gentlemen: target market. > > > > Scott -- Registered Linux user #395249, http://counter.li.org Nothing goes to waste when Little Fish are near! 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