I think they are all crooks, but she rivals Rove and Cheney, only they are loyal to their allies and she is not. They only reason she is not in jail is because they did not want to prosecute the first lady. While I doubt she will be prosecuted, She is scheduled to take the stand for fraud soon. She has been involved in no less than 15 criminal proceedings. This is NOT the buried stuff, this is the stuff that is out there. However, I accept that we are not likely to agree on her being worse than the average politico in Washington. The Clinton Brand is powerful. In fact, I never believed the stuff they said about her until it began to get more coverage this year. I assumed it was part of the "republican attack machine"
On leaving Iraq, Obama advocates leaving slower than Clinton. She says 16 months and he says 2 years. So, there is not much difference and his plan actually advocates staying a little longer. He has laid out a plan for leaving Iraq. I think they both have plans. I know more about his because I am a fan of two people involved in the crafting over his plan. The short answer is that it involves: Regional Diplomacy, Humanitarian Initiatives, and Pressing Iraq's leaders to reconcile. I think hers involves Humanitarian Initiatives, and Pressing Iraq's leaders to reconcile , but no working with enemies to resolve it. He has discussed his plan numerous times publically, but you can get details about his plan at http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/ -----Original Message----- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket Hey Tracey I"m clear that HRC is an old school beltway powerbroker and has done things which are less than savory. I'm certainly not down with everything she's done. I'm sure that looking over the political career of any of the folks that have made careers in DC would turn up some truly ugly and at times disturbing business. I don't think you can get there without some. However, I don't think her examples are worse than other peoples. All I'm really saying is that warts and all, her presence in the White House wouldn't appall me but I prefer Senator Obama. In the end, the Clinton vs. Obama debate is mostly moot, unless the Democratic power brokers defy the will of the people and give the nomination to Clinton at the convention. The one thing that worries me about Sen. Obama is his position on the war. While I am all for ending it and as soon as possible, I'm also for the moral responsibility of rebuilding a country we have left destroyed. I don't think it's right to simply say we'll just leave. I'd like to see his plan for fixing the mess. He may have one but I haven't seen it anywhere. I'm hopeful that Senator Obama will do the right thing in Iraq and clean up the mess the war criminals have created. Bosco --- On Tue, 5/20/08, tdemorsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: tdemorsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 8:17 PM I'm glad I misunderstood and that you voted for who you wanted - no matter who that is. I did not perceive you as someone who could be pressured by others in your political decision making. ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
