True, there was also Ta'Pau the ruler of Vulcan. Yea I guess having women equal in power was a little too much to wrap their heads around. Still is for some guys. I wonder if the network got a large amount of letters and phone calls about the woman being in power or were they just being cowards?
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net>wrote: > > > Yeah, remember that Roddenberry was the first person on TV (to my > knowledge) to have a woman in a significant command role: Number One, who > was the second ranked bridge officer under Captain Pike. People looked to > her for advice, she ran the ship and dictated tactics when Pike was > kidnapped by the Talosians. But the network balked, and the character was > scrapped, the actress recast as Nurse Chapel--not even allowed to be a full > doctor. Even the term "Number One" disappeared until Picard resurrected it > in TNG. > > The funny thing? Even with that forward-thinking move in the pilot for Star > Trek, sexism was still endemic. In that pilot ep with Pike, he looks at his > female yeoman and grouses "I just can't get used to the idea of a woman on > the bridge". He then looks at Number One and apologizes to her, the idea > being she wasn't really thought of as a "normal" woman. So it was still hard > for people in the 60s to conceive that two centuries hence, women would be > considered equal to men outside of rare circumstances. > > I guess that, given the inborn sexism and the censors who couldn't deal > with strong women, Trek still gets credit for trying to advance > professional, capable women. Though the OS backed off on strong commanders, > they did deliver other women who were more than eye candy: there were female > officers portrayed as skilled psychiatrists, lawyers, historians, medical > researchers, and archaeologists. > > The one woman who arguably was the highest ranked in OS was the Romulan > Commander in "The Enterprise Incident". She commanded a ship, lead a small > task force, and the Romulan men obviously followed her orders > unquestioningly. Yet, she's then shown becoming "a woman" who loses her mind > after Spock macks her, so again, that 60s sexism rears its head. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Worf" <hellomahog...@gmail.com> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 12:49:05 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Series That Ended Badly > > > > I think that I remember watching a documentary about Rodenberry and how > they forced him to change that episode to its final form. > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Keith Johnson > <keithbjohn...@comcast.net>wrote: > >> >> >> I'd rank the Trek series' endings as follows, best to worst: >> >> * TNG - irritating as hell with another time travel story, but at least >> Picard finally let his "hair" down and played poker with the gang >> >> * DS9 - actually a satisfying ending, but Sisko's abandoning his family >> still angers me, so not number one. And note that, will time travel isn't >> critical to the story, there is a time travel element with Sisko's newfound >> powers >> >> * Voyager - at least they got back to Earth. But over usage of the Borg, >> and another time travel story?! >> >> * Enterprise - crappy in writing, acting, and execution, a complete >> non-story. And like DS9, time travel per se isn't critical, but there is >> time shifting since Riker and Troi are telling history story. Crap. >> >> Again, what the hell is the fascination with time travel from B&B?? >> >> Oh--the OS doesn't count because it didn't get a planned ending, but the >> last aired show sucked. Named "Turnabout Intruder", it's the one where an >> old jealous girlfriend of Kirk's literally changes bodies with him and takes >> over as Captain. A sexist show: she did it because women just couldn't be >> captains in Starfleet, and the last line was a trip. Of Janice, Kirk says, >> "Her life could have been as fulfilling as any woman's, if only...." the >> idea being, "if only she'd accepted her limitations as a woman and just >> learned to be happy". >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Baxter" <martinbaxt...@gmail.com> >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:48:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Series That Ended Badly >> >> >> >> The V-Word series was a waste of both space, time and money, Daryle. And >> you hit it spot-on, calling "Endgame" the worst expected ending ever. >> (Pardon me... The Worst Expected Ending EVER. Deserves capitalization, >> that.) The only reason I tune din for it was because I'd caught this >> disgusting rumor that Paramount was going to take V-Word to the big screen, >> to replace Next Gen as the theater franchise. So I watched, hoping that I >> was wrong. >> >> Boy, was I. >> >> "We'regonnadiewe'regonnadiewe'regonnaDIEtheBABY'SHEREwe'regonnaDIE -- hey. >> We're back home." >> >> May all involved end in thirst. >> >> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Daryle Lockhart < >> dar...@darylelockhart.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "Voyager". What a complete waste of time. >>> >>> If you'll remember, I recently decided towatch the show from the >>> beginning at the suggestion of Garrett Wang. I have now watched every >>> episode of Voyager. "Year Of Hell" and "Unimatrix Zero" are worth the price >>> of admission (episodes that remind me remarkably of where the "Lost" >>> finale went left, but I digress) . But Endgame was the worst ending of any >>> Star Trek show in history -- INCLUDING "Enterprise". >>> >>> >>> On May 24, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> The talk of "Lost" and the less-than-spectacular ending (no Spoilers!) >>> made me think of "The Sopranos", whose ending angered many fans. And that >>> made me think of BSG, whose ending angered many fans. BSG made me think of >>> "Enterprise", whose ending angered many--get the drift? >>> >>> So I was thinking of shows that we loved or at least were attached to, >>> which ended in less than satisfactory methods. >>> "Enterprise" ticked me off by using another time-travel type device, by >>> killing Trip, and by inserting Riker and Troi unnecessarily. >>> >>> What other series can you think of whose endings you anticipated, but >>> which disappointed you? I'm talking about shows that actually got an ending, >>> not those that were canceled and simply stopped airing new eps. This can be >>> scifi, animation, or any real life drama. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell >> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > > > > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
