straightened on relaxed she is a sell out??? if I decide at the end of
the summer that I am tired of wearing a fro and i want to get a relaxer,
I'm a sell out too? Seems to me that are some pretty superficial
criteria for selling out.
Tracey
>> When you guys see her dressed up with pressed hair like Condoleeza
>> Rice you will know you heard it from me first.
>>
>> --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "sancochojo" <mccartjf@>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was debating on if I should stand up in my office cube and
>>>
>> applause.
>>
>>> I could not have said it better.
>>>
>>> You know the old street cliche, "if you have something to say, say
>>>
>> it
>>
>>> to my face."
>>>
>>> Her blog gives everyone the opportunity to challenge her, but to
>>>
>> cower
>>
>>> away and say "I don't feel like it, blah blah" when asked to write
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> author back and challenge her yet have all the energy to write
>>>
>> about 6
>>
>>> or seven post here to talk junk about her, says a lot.
>>>
>>> Nora, it isn't crabs in the barrel, its big giant lobster claws in
>>>
>> a
>>
>>> barrel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Nora" <njem@> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
>>>>>
>> Hayden
>>
>>>>> <<Hopkinson seems to be disowning Afrofuturism, a movement,
>>>>>
>> genre,
>>
>>>>> thang that she helped start. One reason why she could be
>>>>>
>> doing this
>>
>>>>> is because she is going to sell out--
>>>>>
>>>> a) You're presupposing that Afrofuturism *is* a movement. That
>>>>
>>> doesn't seem
>>>
>>>> to be a settled debate yet. b) Maybe she's disowning it because
>>>>
>> she
>>
>>>> *didn't* help start it. If she had, I don't think she'd have
>>>>
>> been so
>>
>>>> surprised to suddenly find the label applied to her. And c)
>>>>
>>> "sellout" is
>>>
>>>> right up there with "nigger" and "bitch" in my book -- it's a
>>>>
>> dire,
>>
>>>> them's-fightin'-words insult. I don't know about you, but I
>>>>
>> didn't join
>>
>>>> this community to insult my favorite authors.
>>>>
>>>> Citing your own post with the definition from the Afrofuturism
>>>>
>> listserv,
>>
>>>> Afrofuturism or Afro-futurism is an African American and African
>>>>
>>>>> Diaspora subculture whose thinkers and artists see technology
>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>> science fiction as a means of exploring the Black experience
>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>> finding new strategies to overcome racism and classism.
>>>>>
>>>> By this definition, Afrofuturism is meant to be an *intentional*
>>>>
>>> thing. Its
>>>
>>>> members must *see* tech and SF as a means of blah blah blah. If
>>>>
>> you
>>
>>> don't
>>>
>>>> write SF with the intention of exploring the Black experience and
>>>>
>>> combatting
>>>
>>>> racism/classism, then you shouldn't be counted as part of the
>>>>
>> movement.
>>
>>>> It's not just being a black person writing SF that qualifies
>>>>
>> you.
>>
>>> Heck, by
>>>
>>>> this definition, you don't even have to be black -- you just
>>>>
>> have to
>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>> that exploratory, developmental purpose in mind.
>>>>
>>>> I *am* black, and it permeates everything I do, but I'll be
>>>>
>> frank:
>>
>>>> "exploring the Black experience" is the furthest thing from my
>>>>
>> mind
>>
>>> when I
>>>
>>>> write most of my stuff, even when I'm writing about black
>>>>
>> people.
>>
>>> I'm not
>>>
>>>> trying to combat racism, I'm just trying to have fun telling a
>>>>
>>> story. So if
>>>
>>>> someone tried to stick the Afrofuturism label on me, I would
>>>>
>>> probably react
>>>
>>>> in much the same way as Nalo. "Afro whatism? *Me*? Huh?"
>>>>
>>>> I think it's a disservice, both to authors and to this nascent
>>>>
>>> movement, to
>>>
>>>> hijack people into it. A movement doesn't *need* to go hunting
>>>>
>> for
>>
>>> members,
>>>
>>>> if it has the ideological strength to grow and develop on its
>>>>
>> own; its
>>
>>>> members will find it, because it serves a need. But when people
>>>>
>> declare
>>
>>>> that so-and-so's work *must* be Afrofuturism, whether that person
>>>>
>>> intended
>>>
>>>> it that way or not, they're trying to bogart her into it. The
>>>>
>> thing
>>
>>> is, by
>>>
>>>> doing this they make the movement, if indeed it is a movement,
>>>>
>> look
>>
>>> too weak
>>>
>>>> to stand on its own. It has to coerce its most prominent
>>>>
>> members to
>>
>>> join?
>>>
>>>> That's not a movement, that's Scientology.
>>>>
>>>> Even worse, by insinuating that she's a sellout if she doesn't,
>>>>
>> any
>>
>>>> Afrofuturists trying to claim Nalo may effectively achieve the
>>>>
>> complete
>>
>>>> opposite effect, and send her running for the hills.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <<It is not clear what she is saying. First she says it isn't
>>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>>> movement. Then if it is she doesn't have anything to do with
>>>>>
>> it.
>>
>>>>> Then she admits that she helped start it--whatever it is.
>>>>>
>> There is a
>>
>>>>> lot of confusion here that is open to interpretation.
>>>>> She is in the public eye. She will be classified,
>>>>>
>> catgegorized,
>>
>>>>> turned into a brand folded spindled and mutilated just like
>>>>>
>> all the
>>
>>>>> rest, from Plato to Oprah--
>>>>> It's part of the game--
>>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. It's one thing to discuss the probable intentions of
>>>>
>> an
>>
>>> author
>>>
>>>> who's dead, or impossible (for us) to contact, a la Octavia
>>>>
>> Butler.
>>
>>> But to
>>>
>>>> do this to a woman who's alive, when **you've got her blog right
>>>>
>>> there** and
>>>
>>>> you can talk to her directly, and to do it with this deliberately
>>>>
>>> insulting
>>>
>>>> polemic, smacks of whispering behind your hand to me. It's
>>>>
>>> disrespectful
>>>
>>>> and cowardly, not to mention catty as hell.
>>>>
>>>> You defeat your own purpose by doing this, Chris. You're
>>>>
>> reenacting
>>
>>>> crabs-in-a-barrell syndrome all over again, sniping at someone
>>>>
>> who's
>>
>>>> successful and trying to make them look bad. I find that to be
>>>>
>> far more
>>
>>>> "sellout"-ish behavior than anything NH could do by refusing to
>>>>
>>> accept some
>>>
>>>> random label.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to know what she means, post something in her blog
>>>>
>> and
>>
>>> ask her.
>>>
>>>> Nora
>>>>
>>>>
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