But you knew that.
What movement are they selling out to?
I don't know.
Maybe you should ask them.
-----Original Message-----
From: sancochojo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:06:12 -0000
Subject: Re: [SciFiNoir Lit] Hopkinson sells out?
Didn't know they had a blog that would allow interaction with them.
What movement are they selling out to??
--- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hayden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> <<Do you write say the Wachowski brothers a personal note if you
> have a comment about the Matrix novels?
>
> I started to post on her blog, you gotta go through some rigamarole
> to register to do it, I am registered on enough stuff on the web, I
> decided not to do it. End of story.
>
> She never saw fit to have her name removed from this
>
> http://www.afrofuturism.net/text/lit.html
>
> When you guys see her dressed up with pressed hair like Condoleeza
> Rice you will know you heard it from me first.
>
> --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "sancochojo" <mccartjf@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I was debating on if I should stand up in my office cube and
> applause.
> > I could not have said it better.
> >
> > You know the old street cliche, "if you have something to say, say
> it
> > to my face."
> >
> > Her blog gives everyone the opportunity to challenge her, but to
> cower
> > away and say "I don't feel like it, blah blah" when asked to write
> the
> > author back and challenge her yet have all the energy to write
> about 6
> > or seven post here to talk junk about her, says a lot.
> >
> > Nora, it isn't crabs in the barrel, its big giant lobster claws in
> a
> > barrel.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, "Nora" <njem@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
> Hayden
> > > > <<Hopkinson seems to be disowning Afrofuturism, a movement,
> genre,
> > > > thang that she helped start. One reason why she could be
> doing this
> > > > is because she is going to sell out--
> > >
> > > a) You're presupposing that Afrofuturism *is* a movement. That
> > doesn't seem
> > > to be a settled debate yet. b) Maybe she's disowning it because
> she
> > > *didn't* help start it. If she had, I don't think she'd have
> been so
> > > surprised to suddenly find the label applied to her. And c)
> > "sellout" is
> > > right up there with "nigger" and "bitch" in my book -- it's a
> dire,
> > > them's-fightin'-words insult. I don't know about you, but I
> didn't join
> > > this community to insult my favorite authors.
> > >
> > > Citing your own post with the definition from the Afrofuturism
> listserv,
> > >
> > > Afrofuturism or Afro-futurism is an African American and African
> > > > Diaspora subculture whose thinkers and artists see technology
> and
> > > > science fiction as a means of exploring the Black experience
> and
> > > > finding new strategies to overcome racism and classism.
> > >
> > > By this definition, Afrofuturism is meant to be an *intentional*
> > thing. Its
> > > members must *see* tech and SF as a means of blah blah blah. If
> you
> > don't
> > > write SF with the intention of exploring the Black experience and
> > combatting
> > > racism/classism, then you shouldn't be counted as part of the
> movement.
> > > It's not just being a black person writing SF that qualifies
> you.
> > Heck, by
> > > this definition, you don't even have to be black -- you just
> have to
> > have
> > > that exploratory, developmental purpose in mind.
> > >
> > > I *am* black, and it permeates everything I do, but I'll be
> frank:
> > > "exploring the Black experience" is the furthest thing from my
> mind
> > when I
> > > write most of my stuff, even when I'm writing about black
> people.
> > I'm not
> > > trying to combat racism, I'm just trying to have fun telling a
> > story. So if
> > > someone tried to stick the Afrofuturism label on me, I would
> > probably react
> > > in much the same way as Nalo. "Afro whatism? *Me*? Huh?"
> > >
> > > I think it's a disservice, both to authors and to this nascent
> > movement, to
> > > hijack people into it. A movement doesn't *need* to go hunting
> for
> > members,
> > > if it has the ideological strength to grow and develop on its
> own; its
> > > members will find it, because it serves a need. But when people
> declare
> > > that so-and-so's work *must* be Afrofuturism, whether that person
> > intended
> > > it that way or not, they're trying to bogart her into it. The
> thing
> > is, by
> > > doing this they make the movement, if indeed it is a movement,
> look
> > too weak
> > > to stand on its own. It has to coerce its most prominent
> members to
> > join?
> > > That's not a movement, that's Scientology.
> > >
> > > Even worse, by insinuating that she's a sellout if she doesn't,
> any
> > > Afrofuturists trying to claim Nalo may effectively achieve the
> complete
> > > opposite effect, and send her running for the hills.
> > >
> > > > <<It is not clear what she is saying. First she says it isn't
> a
> > > > movement. Then if it is she doesn't have anything to do with
> it.
> > > > Then she admits that she helped start it--whatever it is.
> There is a
> > > > lot of confusion here that is open to interpretation.
> > > > She is in the public eye. She will be classified,
> catgegorized,
> > > > turned into a brand folded spindled and mutilated just like
> all the
> > > > rest, from Plato to Oprah--
> > > > It's part of the game--
> > >
> > > Bullshit. It's one thing to discuss the probable intentions of
> an
> > author
> > > who's dead, or impossible (for us) to contact, a la Octavia
> Butler.
> > But to
> > > do this to a woman who's alive, when **you've got her blog right
> > there** and
> > > you can talk to her directly, and to do it with this deliberately
> > insulting
> > > polemic, smacks of whispering behind your hand to me. It's
> > disrespectful
> > > and cowardly, not to mention catty as hell.
> > >
> > > You defeat your own purpose by doing this, Chris. You're
> reenacting
> > > crabs-in-a-barrell syndrome all over again, sniping at someone
> who's
> > > successful and trying to make them look bad. I find that to be
> far more
> > > "sellout"-ish behavior than anything NH could do by refusing to
> > accept some
> > > random label.
> > >
> > > If you want to know what she means, post something in her blog
> and
> > ask her.
> > >
> > > Nora
> > >
> >
>
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