[AFMUG] Ceragon help

[Ty Featherling]

I'm installing my first Ceragon links, IP20 series to be exact. I have them
up and linked and I am stuck on this idea of Services and Service Points.
Services in this software seem analogous to software bridges. For example
there is a Management service that you are supposed to add service points
to for each interface you want to be able to manage the radios from. I was
able to add Eth1 to that service and then I was able to manage the radios
from the Eth1 on the POE.

Now that they are aligned I tried to traverse the link and was unable to. I
take it that I need another Service with service points on the radio
interfaces as well as the Eth1 on each end to make one big bridge but that
doesn't seem to be working.

Does anyone know how this is to be done?


-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon help

[Ty Featherling]

Ok do I need to connect both radio 1 and radio 2 on each unit?

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Correct. Attach the radio interface to eth1. The newer software has a
> wizard I believe. Otherwise call your seller
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
> > On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm installing my first Ceragon links, IP20 series to be exact. I have
> them up and linked and I am stuck on this idea of Services and Service
> Points. Services in this software seem analogous to software bridges. For
> example there is a Management service that you are supposed to add service
> points to for each interface you want to be able to manage the radios from.
> I was able to add Eth1 to that service and then I was able to manage the
> radios from the Eth1 on the POE.
> >
> > Now that they are aligned I tried to traverse the link and was unable
> to. I take it that I need another Service with service points on the radio
> interfaces as well as the Eth1 on each end to make one big bridge but that
> doesn't seem to be working.
> >
> > Does anyone know how this is to be done?
> >
> >
> > -Ty
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon help

[Ty Featherling]

Yes. My guess is for full throughput I will have to use both.

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> For dual pol? If you can't get it, I can check later on.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
> Ok do I need to connect both radio 1 and radio 2 on each unit?
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
>> Correct. Attach the radio interface to eth1. The newer software has a
>> wizard I believe. Otherwise call your seller
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> > On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Ty Featherling 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm installing my first Ceragon links, IP20 series to be exact. I have
>> them up and linked and I am stuck on this idea of Services and Service
>> Points. Services in this software seem analogous to software bridges. For
>> example there is a Management service that you are supposed to add service
>> points to for each interface you want to be able to manage the radios from.
>> I was able to add Eth1 to that service and then I was able to manage the
>> radios from the Eth1 on the POE.
>> >
>> > Now that they are aligned I tried to traverse the link and was unable
>> to. I take it that I need another Service with service points on the radio
>> interfaces as well as the Eth1 on each end to make one big bridge but that
>> doesn't seem to be working.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know how this is to be done?
>> >
>> >
>> > -Ty
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cell Phone Gripe

[Ty Featherling]

I adjusted as well. My Palm Treo keyboard was the last keyboard I loved. A
big part of being comfortable with a on-screen keyboard was learning to
trust autocorrect and having a good keyboard that you CAN trust. I likey
Swiftkey on Android. I can bang away and don't often have to make any
corrections. I'm on a Note4 currently.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You get used to it with some practice.  I miss my BlackBerry keyboard as
> well.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jan 26, 2016 10:31 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
>> The Boss got a new Note 5 yesterday.  How do yall live with on screen
>> keyboards?  I tried using it for like 10 minutes and got too frustrated.
>> 80% miss-type, and losing 3/4 of the screen anytime you need to type
>> something (RDP Is almost completely impossible).  Am I just too old to use
>> this technology?  Maybe using it now and then over the coming weeks things
>> will get better, but right now it's STRANGE and DIFFERENT and I DON'T LIKE
>> IT.
>>
>

[AFMUG] ID this reflector?

[Ty Featherling]

Can anyone identify these reflector dishes? This site was covered in
tranzeos the last time I looked but I see an old Ubiquiti AP, an
unidentified panel and those reflectors.

-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] ID this reflector?

[Ty Featherling]

LOL, so no ID on those reflectors?

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I can't help wondering what Tarzan is doing with all those dishes... it
> can't be anything good.
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> where's Jane?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like Tarzan’s tree house.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 8, 2016 10:25 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ID this reflector?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's cute.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Ty Featherling 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Trimmed it a bit, must have been filtered.
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2016 5:26 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No picture
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Ty Featherling 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can anyone identify these reflector dishes? This site was covered in
>>> tranzeos the last time I looked but I see an old Ubiquiti AP, an
>>> unidentified panel and those reflectors.
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2

[Ty Featherling]

A few times now I have noticed all customers in a given broadcast domain
all seeing download traffic at about 1.5Mbps. My gut reaction is broadcast
traffic of some sort so I go to Torch on the Mikrotik router at that site.
What I saw that first time is the same thing I have seen every time since
and what is shown in the attached image. IPv6 traffic from some IPv6 host's
link-local address to ff01::1:2 with a rate that matches the traffic I am
seeing everywhere. I enable IPv6 on that router if it isn't already and
just add a firewall rule that drops all IPv6 traffic since I am not running
any on network at this time. But what is it?

 It looked to me like an IPv6 broadcast address of some type so I googled
it and found:

FF02::1:2 All DHCPv6 agents (servers and relays) within the link-local scope

This makes sense since I bet it is coming from a customer's router on that
segment. Is this device malfunctioning, plugged in backwards, or what? How
can I use the Mikrotik to narrow down where it it located? There isn't a
mac-table for IPv6 that I can find.

Anyone else seen this?


-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2

[Ty Featherling]

So it's DHCPv6 discovery? Why the hell so much traffic then? If I can find
the source radio I will definitely turn off multicast. Good idea.

-Ty



-Ty

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Cassidy B. Larson 
wrote:

> Look for the mac: a813.430a.5950 I think. That’s the source MAC, assuming
> I flipped the right bit.  I know the last 8 are right at least.
>
> You could just turn off multicast on his radio or the AP, but his router
> is looking for a DHCP server and sending to that multicast address in
> question.
> If you turn off multicast IPv6 will fail to function as it relies on
> multicast to function.. no more broadcasts! :)
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
> >
> > A few times now I have noticed all customers in a given broadcast domain
> all seeing download traffic at about 1.5Mbps. My gut reaction is broadcast
> traffic of some sort so I go to Torch on the Mikrotik router at that site.
> What I saw that first time is the same thing I have seen every time since
> and what is shown in the attached image. IPv6 traffic from some IPv6 host's
> link-local address to ff01::1:2 with a rate that matches the traffic I am
> seeing everywhere. I enable IPv6 on that router if it isn't already and
> just add a firewall rule that drops all IPv6 traffic since I am not running
> any on network at this time. But what is it?
> >
> >  It looked to me like an IPv6 broadcast address of some type so I
> googled it and found:
> >
> > FF02::1:2 All DHCPv6 agents (servers and relays) within the link-local
> scope
> >
> > This makes sense since I bet it is coming from a customer's router on
> that segment. Is this device malfunctioning, plugged in backwards, or what?
> How can I use the Mikrotik to narrow down where it it located? There isn't
> a mac-table for IPv6 that I can find.
> >
> > Anyone else seen this?
> >
> >
> > -Ty
> > 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2

[Ty Featherling]

1 layer 2 network per tower. All APs and CPE bridged to that one broadcast
domain.

-Ty



-Ty

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> How big is your layer2 network?  Ideally, with multicast, your switch
> should only be sending it to the hosts that subscribe to that multicast IP.
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
> >
> > So it's DHCPv6 discovery? Why the hell so much traffic then? If I can
> find the source radio I will definitely turn off multicast. Good idea.
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2

[Ty Featherling]

Found the offending customer and looking at their radio I can see the
actual traffic is about 5Mbps worth but the traffic shaping knocks it down
to 1.5 before it reaches our network. Makes me think this is more like a
malfunctioning router than a feature.

-Ty



-Ty

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Ty Featherling 
wrote:

> 1 layer 2 network per tower. All APs and CPE bridged to that one broadcast
> domain.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
>> How big is your layer2 network?  Ideally, with multicast, your switch
>> should only be sending it to the hosts that subscribe to that multicast IP.
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Ty Featherling 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > So it's DHCPv6 discovery? Why the hell so much traffic then? If I can
>> find the source radio I will definitely turn off multicast. Good idea.
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2

[Ty Featherling]

Overachiever.

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> It just really, REALLY wants everyone to know it exists. Cute little thing.
>
>
>
> Set it on fire.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2
>
>
>
> Found the offending customer and looking at their radio I can see the
> actual traffic is about 5Mbps worth but the traffic shaping knocks it down
> to 1.5 before it reaches our network. Makes me think this is more like a
> malfunctioning router than a feature.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
> 1 layer 2 network per tower. All APs and CPE bridged to that one broadcast
> domain.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
> How big is your layer2 network?  Ideally, with multicast, your switch
> should only be sending it to the hosts that subscribe to that multicast IP.
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
> >
> > So it's DHCPv6 discovery? Why the hell so much traffic then? If I can
> find the source radio I will definitely turn off multicast. Good idea.
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] kp performance two 5GHz H/V antennas in one radome - review/opinion

[Ty Featherling]

I have used the product as intended. I just took two loaded 120* Rocket M5
APs and ​swapped them for these making it 4 65* APs. Worked just as
advertised and I am looking forward to deploying them at a couple other
busy sites.

-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2

[Ty Featherling]

Forgot to update: had the customer reboot his router and the traffic
disappeared. Watching it carefully for a return but good for 24 hrs so far.

-Ty
On Feb 18, 2016 2:33 PM, "David"  wrote:

> I like this guy!
>
>
> On 02/18/2016 12:21 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
>
> It just really, REALLY wants everyone to know it exists. Cute little thing.
>
>
>
> Set it on fire.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2
>
>
>
> Found the offending customer and looking at their radio I can see the
> actual traffic is about 5Mbps worth but the traffic shaping knocks it down
> to 1.5 before it reaches our network. Makes me think this is more like a
> malfunctioning router than a feature.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
> 1 layer 2 network per tower. All APs and CPE bridged to that one broadcast
> domain.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
> How big is your layer2 network?  Ideally, with multicast, your switch
> should only be sending it to the hosts that subscribe to that multicast IP.
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
> >
> > So it's DHCPv6 discovery? Why the hell so much traffic then? If I can
> find the source radio I will definitely turn off multicast. Good idea.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2

[Ty Featherling]

Cassidy deduced the MAC earlier in the thread. I found that thread in the
switch table to determine which AP it was. I confirmed it was found in the
bridge table of the AP on the WLAN0 interface. From there there isn't an
easy way to trace it to a single radio. I used to log into each radio and
check its bridge table for the MAC but now I run a script to dump all of
the bridge tables to all the radios and grep for the offending mac. Led me
right to the right IP address.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> How did you trace that to the customer/port?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2016 7:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2
>
>
>
> Forgot to update: had the customer reboot his router and the traffic
> disappeared. Watching it carefully for a return but good for 24 hrs so far.
>
> -Ty
>
> On Feb 18, 2016 2:33 PM, "David"  wrote:
>
> I like this guy!
>
> On 02/18/2016 12:21 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
>
> It just really, REALLY wants everyone to know it exists. Cute little thing.
>
>
>
> Set it on fire.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 traffic to ff02::1:2
>
>
>
> Found the offending customer and looking at their radio I can see the
> actual traffic is about 5Mbps worth but the traffic shaping knocks it down
> to 1.5 before it reaches our network. Makes me think this is more like a
> malfunctioning router than a feature.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
> 1 layer 2 network per tower. All APs and CPE bridged to that one broadcast
> domain.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
> How big is your layer2 network?  Ideally, with multicast, your switch
> should only be sending it to the hosts that subscribe to that multicast IP.
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
> >
> > So it's DHCPv6 discovery? Why the hell so much traffic then? If I can
> find the source radio I will definitely turn off multicast. Good idea.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni

[Ty Featherling]

You might like KPPerformance antennas then. They have N-connectors on them.

kpperformance.ca

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Glen Waldrop 
wrote:

> I have and I might again, but I like the N-type connectors when I don’t
> have a radio that mounts to the UBNT antenna.
>
> Most of my small tower radios have a 2.4 and 5 in the same enclosure.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz dual polarity omni
>
>
> Why not use the Ubnt?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 23, 2016 1:23 PM, "Glen Waldrop"  wrote:
>
>> The UBNT omni works decently, the ARC 13dBi omni isn’t so great, so
>> anyone tried the Teletronics 5GHz 13dBi omni?
>>
>> Their 2.4GHz omni works great, but I’ve been told that ARC and
>> Teletronics use the same manufacturing plant, so the Teletronics 5GHz 13
>> dBi may have the same “not quite an omni” issues.
>>
>> Any news out there guys?
>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Unlicensed for dummies

[Ty Featherling]

We have a co-tennant on a water tower saying that since they were there
first, they get exclusive use of the entire 5GHz unlicensed band. There
lease warrants no such thing and we told the the FCC doesn't either. Is
there a plain english "for dummies" explanation of Part 15, specifically
regarding interference and co-location? The city is involved and we need to
make this stupid easy to understand.


-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] Unlicensed for dummies

[Ty Featherling]

It does, yes. I may just have to quote from it sparingly and include the
full copy for reference.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> The basic part 15 rule says it all
> On Feb 26, 2016 9:13 AM, "Ty Featherling"  wrote:
>
>> We have a co-tennant on a water tower saying that since they were there
>> first, they get exclusive use of the entire 5GHz unlicensed band. There
>> lease warrants no such thing and we told the the FCC doesn't either. Is
>> there a plain english "for dummies" explanation of Part 15, specifically
>> regarding interference and co-location? The city is involved and we need to
>> make this stupid easy to understand.
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Unlicensed for dummies

[Ty Featherling]

We have a copy of their lease and it only states, like ours, that they are
to follow the regulations set forth by the FCC. I like the router
comparison. I may use that one. The guy was being a tool and claiming that
since we showed up his customers are complaining and that we must
discontinue any use in not only the 5GHz band but 3.65 and 2.4 as well
since they operate in those too. Our response was hey we ran spectrum
analysis and stayed well away from existing channel usage but if there is a
real interference issue we would love to work with you to resolve it. That
got nowhere as he was adamant that they were there first so we should pound
sand. He has no case but we are trying to make this a clear-cut and easy to
understand as possible in case the city gets more involved.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> When did they go up there?  Was it before U-NII-1 was opened up?  Maybe
> you can argue that is a separate band, since it wasn’t even available when
> they located there.
>
> It is common for a lease to specify exclusivity on that tower for certain
> unlicensed bands, or to contain a non-interference clause.  Apparently the
> lease doesn’t specify.  Probably the city won’t want to get involved,
> that’s why it’s easiest for a site owner to only allow one unlicensed
> tenant, or one per band, they don’t want to play Judge Judy in a technical
> area they know nothing about.
>
> Maybe show the city a copy of one of your Part 101 licenses showing you
> have exclusive use of that frequency at those locations.  Or borrow a 2-way
> license from somebody in the area and show the city a copy.  Or find a
> cellular or paging company that is on a city structure, look up and make a
> copy of their FCC license.  Tell the city this is the paperwork someone
> will have if the FCC has granted them exclusive use of spectrum, and of
> course the other tenant will not have anything of the kind to show.  Maybe
> then turn their WiFi router upside down and show them the Part 15 sticker
> so they can understand this is exactly the same rules you and the other
> tenant are operating under.  It would be like saying you can’t use WiFi
> because your next door neighbor had WiFi first.
>
> That’s not how unlicensed works.  That’s not how any of this works.
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 10:14 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Unlicensed for dummies
>
>
> The basic part 15 rule says it all
> On Feb 26, 2016 9:13 AM, "Ty Featherling"  wrote:
>
>> We have a co-tennant on a water tower saying that since they were there
>> first, they get exclusive use of the entire 5GHz unlicensed band. There
>> lease warrants no such thing and we told the the FCC doesn't either. Is
>> there a plain english "for dummies" explanation of Part 15, specifically
>> regarding interference and co-location? The city is involved and we need to
>> make this stupid easy to understand.
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Unlicensed for dummies

[Ty Featherling]

True. Part 101 is like Part 15 in that regard.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:

> A part 101 license (other than area-wide licenses or bands that were
> auctioned) does not grant “exclusive use” of a frequency at a location.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 11:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Unlicensed for dummies
>
>
>
> When did they go up there?  Was it before U-NII-1 was opened up?  Maybe
> you can argue that is a separate band, since it wasn’t even available when
> they located there.
>
>
>
> It is common for a lease to specify exclusivity on that tower for certain
> unlicensed bands, or to contain a non-interference clause.  Apparently the
> lease doesn’t specify.  Probably the city won’t want to get involved,
> that’s why it’s easiest for a site owner to only allow one unlicensed
> tenant, or one per band, they don’t want to play Judge Judy in a technical
> area they know nothing about.
>
>
>
> Maybe show the city a copy of one of your Part 101 licenses showing you
> have exclusive use of that frequency at those locations.  Or borrow a 2-way
> license from somebody in the area and show the city a copy.  Or find a
> cellular or paging company that is on a city structure, look up and make a
> copy of their FCC license.  Tell the city this is the paperwork someone
> will have if the FCC has granted them exclusive use of spectrum, and of
> course the other tenant will not have anything of the kind to show.  Maybe
> then turn their WiFi router upside down and show them the Part 15 sticker
> so they can understand this is exactly the same rules you and the other
> tenant are operating under.  It would be like saying you can’t use WiFi
> because your next door neighbor had WiFi first.
>
>
>
> That’s not how unlicensed works.  That’s not how any of this works.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 10:14 AM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Unlicensed for dummies
>
>
>
> The basic part 15 rule says it all
>
> On Feb 26, 2016 9:13 AM, "Ty Featherling"  wrote:
>
> We have a co-tennant on a water tower saying that since they were there
> first, they get exclusive use of the entire 5GHz unlicensed band. There
> lease warrants no such thing and we told the the FCC doesn't either. Is
> there a plain english "for dummies" explanation of Part 15, specifically
> regarding interference and co-location? The city is involved and we need to
> make this stupid easy to understand.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>

Re: [AFMUG] Unlicensed for dummies

[Ty Featherling]

I'm not saying I don't need a house burned down. ;)

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:48 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> you need a house burned down? because what im hearing here is you need a
> house burned down.
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
>> True. Part 101 is like Part 15 in that regard.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Hardy, Tim 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A part 101 license (other than area-wide licenses or bands that were
>>> auctioned) does not grant “exclusive use” of a frequency at a location.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 11:32 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Unlicensed for dummies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When did they go up there?  Was it before U-NII-1 was opened up?  Maybe
>>> you can argue that is a separate band, since it wasn’t even available when
>>> they located there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is common for a lease to specify exclusivity on that tower for
>>> certain unlicensed bands, or to contain a non-interference clause.
>>> Apparently the lease doesn’t specify.  Probably the city won’t want to get
>>> involved, that’s why it’s easiest for a site owner to only allow one
>>> unlicensed tenant, or one per band, they don’t want to play Judge Judy in a
>>> technical area they know nothing about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe show the city a copy of one of your Part 101 licenses showing you
>>> have exclusive use of that frequency at those locations.  Or borrow a 2-way
>>> license from somebody in the area and show the city a copy.  Or find a
>>> cellular or paging company that is on a city structure, look up and make a
>>> copy of their FCC license.  Tell the city this is the paperwork someone
>>> will have if the FCC has granted them exclusive use of spectrum, and of
>>> course the other tenant will not have anything of the kind to show.  Maybe
>>> then turn their WiFi router upside down and show them the Part 15 sticker
>>> so they can understand this is exactly the same rules you and the other
>>> tenant are operating under.  It would be like saying you can’t use WiFi
>>> because your next door neighbor had WiFi first.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That’s not how unlicensed works.  That’s not how any of this works.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Unlicensed for dummies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The basic part 15 rule says it all
>>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2016 9:13 AM, "Ty Featherling" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We have a co-tennant on a water tower saying that since they were there
>>> first, they get exclusive use of the entire 5GHz unlicensed band. There
>>> lease warrants no such thing and we told the the FCC doesn't either. Is
>>> there a plain english "for dummies" explanation of Part 15, specifically
>>> regarding interference and co-location? The city is involved and we need to
>>> make this stupid easy to understand.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT heroin

[Ty Featherling]

My wife and I tried to help out a friend that was slipping do the dark side
with painkillers. It ended up costing me a year of drama in my home for my
family and a finding a bunch of stuff had been stolen from under my nose.
We parted ways and he was in jail within 6 months for a non-drug related
charge. It didn't go well. I vowed not to do that to my family again. It's
true, you can't help them, only enable them. If they are actively trying to
escape it, they will have to do it alone.

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I have attempted to help a bunch of junkies over the years.  Very few
> success stories.  If they escape, they do it themselves.  If you hire one,
> expect they will steal from you and end up back in jail.  Don’t believe a
> word they say about anything.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 11:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT heroin
>
>
> So another fella I used to know ODd today. He is the youngest of three
> brothers, the oldest having croaked out from overdose a few years ago, the
> middle is on the run after cutting an ankle bracelet for heroin charges and
> now the mom whom I used to work with gets to put a second son in the dirt.
> Somewhere between 10 and 20 of the folks I used to run around with are
> feeding worms now, I quit taking actual count some time ago. I personally
> don't care about dead junkies, while they're smacked out, they aren't
> people, just shells of people, a danger to everyone around them I help the
> few who can be salvaged, I'm selfish in that I won't expose my family, but
> for example, last year I dropped off a backpack with food toiletries,
> cigarettes and and blanket to an old friend who was homeless and in some
> need, but that's as much as I can enable these guys. Is this new? Or am I
> just hitting an age where the sins of our past begin to catch up?
>
> As an industry, in our scope, is there any reaching out we can do? We are
> in people's homes regularly, is there a link to resources we can provide?
> Is there any way we can be a part of the solution or are we just to
> isolated of an industry to do anything?
>
> I know it's a pick your battles world, nobody can help everybody, but this
> is madness, the destruction of so many lives and the collateral damage from
> one drug is astounding.  Everybody, even homeless junkies are online.
> Granted our base tends not to be the smack addled youth, but would things
> like resource links on our websites, or outreach program info in our
> welcome packs be overstepping our bounds. I'm curious on a personal level
> because I have no other resource than my job.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT heroin

[Ty Featherling]

Agreed. I didn't mean to sound so final. We help whenever we feel like we
can. We are much more guarded and much wiser about it. Just try mostly to
be aware what help is enabling and what help is real help.

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Don’t give up on helping, just be jaded and wise about it.  Don’t give
> them the chance to steal from you.  If they call in sick the day after
> payday, cut them loose.
>
> *From:* Ty Featherling 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2016 7:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT heroin
>
> My wife and I tried to help out a friend that was slipping do the dark
> side with painkillers. It ended up costing me a year of drama in my home
> for my family and a finding a bunch of stuff had been stolen from under my
> nose. We parted ways and he was in jail within 6 months for a non-drug
> related charge. It didn't go well. I vowed not to do that to my family
> again. It's true, you can't help them, only enable them. If they are
> actively trying to escape it, they will have to do it alone.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I have attempted to help a bunch of junkies over the years.  Very few
>> success stories.  If they escape, they do it themselves.  If you hire one,
>> expect they will steal from you and end up back in jail.  Don’t believe a
>> word they say about anything.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 11:08 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT heroin
>>
>>
>> So another fella I used to know ODd today. He is the youngest of three
>> brothers, the oldest having croaked out from overdose a few years ago, the
>> middle is on the run after cutting an ankle bracelet for heroin charges and
>> now the mom whom I used to work with gets to put a second son in the dirt.
>> Somewhere between 10 and 20 of the folks I used to run around with are
>> feeding worms now, I quit taking actual count some time ago. I personally
>> don't care about dead junkies, while they're smacked out, they aren't
>> people, just shells of people, a danger to everyone around them I help the
>> few who can be salvaged, I'm selfish in that I won't expose my family, but
>> for example, last year I dropped off a backpack with food toiletries,
>> cigarettes and and blanket to an old friend who was homeless and in some
>> need, but that's as much as I can enable these guys. Is this new? Or am I
>> just hitting an age where the sins of our past begin to catch up?
>>
>> As an industry, in our scope, is there any reaching out we can do? We are
>> in people's homes regularly, is there a link to resources we can provide?
>> Is there any way we can be a part of the solution or are we just to
>> isolated of an industry to do anything?
>>
>> I know it's a pick your battles world, nobody can help everybody, but
>> this is madness, the destruction of so many lives and the collateral damage
>> from one drug is astounding.  Everybody, even homeless junkies are online.
>> Granted our base tends not to be the smack addled youth, but would things
>> like resource links on our websites, or outreach program info in our
>> welcome packs be overstepping our bounds. I'm curious on a personal level
>> because I have no other resource than my job.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Ty Featherling]

Our guys can do 4-6 most of the time. We don't always load them that high
but when needed they are able to do it.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I always hoped for 3.  Most days they delivered.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>
> the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day
> used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield 
> wrote:
>
>> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a
>> single-man crew?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Ty Featherling]

Typically it's 3 though.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Ty Featherling 
wrote:

> Our guys can do 4-6 most of the time. We don't always load them that high
> but when needed they are able to do it.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I always hoped for 3.  Most days they delivered.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>>
>> the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day
>> used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a
>>> single-man crew?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Woodfield, President
>>>
>>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>>
>>> 410-870-WiFi
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Ty Featherling]

We have a couple of really experienced guys with good attitudes. Max travel
time is like 40 minutes but we schedule smart and keep installs in the same
area or in a sane path. Again though, most of the time it is 3-4 each. When
needed they both step up and have been known to knock out 6 no problem.

-Ty
On Mar 4, 2016 12:03 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> One man can do that?
>
> Ty Featherling wrote:
>
>> Our guys can do 4-6 most of the time. We don't always load them that high
>> but when needed they are able to do it.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Chuck McCown > ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I always hoped for 3.  Most days they delivered.
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:30 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>> the calibur now, 1-2 on a good day
>> used to be 3-7 depending on proximity and complexity
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM, John Woodfield
>> mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>> wrote:
>>
>> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on
>> average with a single-man crew?
>>
>> John Woodfield, President
>>
>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>>
>> 410-870-WiFi
>>
>>
>>
>> -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
>> the team.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[Ty Featherling]

Our guys do all of these things save hooking up customer equipment. We draw
the line at connecting the internet to their router. They are paid hourly
too, not by the job.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer  wrote:

> The basic thought process is if you pay a technician by the job, they are
> naturally going to work faster, this could have benefits but also
> negatives.  More installs done in a day may equate to more income for your
> company, but the adverse is your quality of install may be negatively
> affected by the expedited work of the technician.  So if someone is saying
> their installer does 5 installs in a day, is this an installer that’s paid
> by the job, doesn’t do grounding, cuts corners, and only has to zip tie a
> radio to an elbow, or is this a guy that’s paid hourly, does site testing,
> explains the install to the customer, installs the radio on a pipe, on a
> tower, using hose clamps and heavy duty brackets, then installs grounding,
> hooks up the customer’s router and XBox, etc.  These two types of internet
> installs can be drastically different, and essentially makes up two
> different business models in our industry.
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>
>
> in the below discussion - what are you thoughts in detail on this?
>
> > way of predicting the amount of time to allow for a job.  The added
> > factor to everyone’s answer that I would think has an effect on the
> > productivity times is who is paying their techs hourly +OT, and who is
> > paying their techs per job?  That to me can have a major factor in
> > jobs per day.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jay Weekley 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 1:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>
> There does seem to be a disconnect between the office staff and the
> field staff regarding how long something should take.
>
> Ben Royer wrote:
> > Interesting topic of conversation.  We run 1 man crews at our company,
> > and it’s interesting to see this discussion as it’s constantly a topic
> > brought up by both dispatch and the field techs.  The argument is
> > always made that the allotted time frame for a job is not sufficient,
> > IE: jobs always take longer than scheduled.  Scheduling argues that it
> > is, however we need to operate more efficiently while doing the job,
> > IE: get there on time, cut down on chit chat, have all your equipment
> > needed, etc.  The calendar has been setup based on 16 years of
> > experience of doing installs, and it’s an average based time frame.
> > Granted, this time frame was increased when we started doing more
> > grounding, etc. Currently, we allow for 2 hour windows, where we
> > typically schedule a morning job, and and afternoon job, both are
> > installs, then we squeeze in repairs or other onsites after their
> > first morning job, or after their afternoon job, or we schedule two
> > fixes, one install in a day, or other combinations.  It’s a very
> > specific structure that our dispatching department follows.  On
> > average, I’d say our guys complete 2 installs and 1 fix a day, but
> > some guys are a little quicker than others.  Each job is different, so
> > as I am often reminding both the techs and dispatch, there’s no sure
> > way of predicting the amount of time to allow for a job.  The added
> > factor to everyone’s answer that I would think has an effect on the
> > productivity times is who is paying their techs hourly +OT, and who is
> > paying their techs per job?  That to me can have a major factor in
> > jobs per day.
> > Thank you,
> > Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> > Royell Communications, Inc.
> > 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
> > *From:* John Woodfield  >
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:56 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Installer Performance
> >
> > How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with
> > a single-man crew?
> >
> > John Woodfield, President
> >
> > Delmarva WiFi Inc.
> >
> > 410-870-WiFi
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Friday funny - notice the dish!

[Ty Featherling]

Clearly fake. We all know birds will not pass up the chance to crap all
over an antenna.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> https://i.imgur.com/f4HjAgD.gifv
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

[Ty Featherling]

+1 on Plex. It is my own private Netflix. I stream it using my Chromecast,
Roku2, RokuStick, and a browser. Works great everywhere and pulls in all of
the meta data for any titles you load up. It organizes everything too. You
can literally just drop all of your content into one folder and it sorts it
out. I take it only one step further and have a sub folder for myself and
another for my wife to keep our stuff easily segregated.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> No idea what it uses behind the scenes… thought it was their own ..
>
>
>
> Regardless, I’m a huge PLEX fan as well .. I have about 60TB of NAS filled
> with “video content” that I use both locally and remote … works extremely
> well!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 9:28 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>
>
>
> I believe Plex uses MythTV for the video streaming portion of that APP
> does it not?
>
> On 11/23/2015 07:26 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:
>
> +1
>
> On 11/20/2015 7:30 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Plex
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *David
> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 9:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>
>
>
> I have a Media Center on freenas and a Web server but I also need some
> space to development on distros and some extensive perl coding.
> My media centre is accessible from anywhere but I have been needing to
> move into a more vituralized environment instead of
> having to keep old nas boxes laying around and continuing to repair them.
>  MythTV rulz LOL
> I now have over 16TB of movies on my system and the ripping software has
> got much better over time so I am going back to
> some older shows and reproducing them to a higher quality. Music has got
> better on ripping also.
>  My issue is having to tag all these things.
>
>
>
> On 11/20/2015 11:21 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
> I’ve thought about KVM host.
>
>
>
> But since I keep my windows 10 desktop on all the time I’m going to just
> experiment with Microsoft VM stuff.
>
>
>
> My goal this year was to remove all but one computers in my house, except
> the mobile/laptops.
>
>
>
> I’m almost there.
>
>
>
> I have one Windows box running four stations that my kids use for gaming
> and homework.
>
>
>
> And I have my box.
>
>
>
> I’m transitioning my backup from WHS 2011 to just some disks hanging off
> my Nighthawk router now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *David
> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 10:14 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm  
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>
>
>
> I am doing a home brew vmhost at home and I am tossing around using XEN vs
> Vmware like I use at the office.
> From what I gather of Xen alot is done within the CLI but I am looking for
> a client like VMware host client that will
> give me the gui interface to manage host on XEN
>
> Any ideas or thoughts are welcome
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen

[Ty Featherling]

I use bittorrent to rip my BluRay discs... allegedly.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, David  wrote:

> What are you using to rip blu rays?
>  I am only having success with MKV and Handbreak
>
>
> On 11/23/2015 10:26 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
>
> +1 on Plex. It is my own private Netflix. I stream it using my Chromecast,
> Roku2, RokuStick, and a browser. Works great everywhere and pulls in all of
> the meta data for any titles you load up. It organizes everything too. You
> can literally just drop all of your content into one folder and it sorts it
> out. I take it only one step further and have a sub folder for myself and
> another for my wife to keep our stuff easily segregated.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>> No idea what it uses behind the scenes… thought it was their own ..
>>
>>
>>
>> Regardless, I’m a huge PLEX fan as well .. I have about 60TB of NAS
>> filled with “video content” that I use both locally and remote … works
>> extremely well!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2015 9:28 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe Plex uses MythTV for the video streaming portion of that APP
>> does it not?
>>
>> On 11/23/2015 07:26 AM, Jon Bruce wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> On 11/20/2015 7:30 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>
>> Plex
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *David
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 9:34 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a Media Center on freenas and a Web server but I also need some
>> space to development on distros and some extensive perl coding.
>> My media centre is accessible from anywhere but I have been needing to
>> move into a more vituralized environment instead of
>> having to keep old nas boxes laying around and continuing to repair them.
>>  MythTV rulz LOL
>> I now have over 16TB of movies on my system and the ripping software has
>> got much better over time so I am going back to
>> some older shows and reproducing them to a higher quality. Music has got
>> better on ripping also.
>>  My issue is having to tag all these things.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/20/2015 11:21 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>
>> I’ve thought about KVM host.
>>
>>
>>
>> But since I keep my windows 10 desktop on all the time I’m going to just
>> experiment with Microsoft VM stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> My goal this year was to remove all but one computers in my house, except
>> the mobile/laptops.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m almost there.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have one Windows box running four stations that my kids use for gaming
>> and homework.
>>
>>
>>
>> And I have my box.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m transitioning my backup from WHS 2011 to just some disks hanging off
>> my Nighthawk router now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *David
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 10:14 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm  
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Vmware Vs Xen
>>
>>
>>
>> I am doing a home brew vmhost at home and I am tossing around using XEN
>> vs Vmware like I use at the office.
>> From what I gather of Xen alot is done within the CLI but I am looking
>> for a client like VMware host client that will
>> give me the gui interface to manage host on XEN
>>
>> Any ideas or thoughts are welcome
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Ebay

[Ty Featherling]

Feb 15, 1999. I was still in High School.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists  wrote:

> Jun 17, 1998… It m*ust have been a popular year.*
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Justin Wilson - MTIN  wrote:
>
> July 1998. Have a business account that is newer, with more transactions.
>
> 
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Nov 29, 2015, at 4:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Member since: Dec 23, 2000
>
> Who has the oldest ebay account?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Ebay

[Ty Featherling]

LOL What I was buying then I don't recall. It was only a few months before
I graduated. I had my money on it being in 2000 once I was out on my own
and employed.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> 2005 here.  I was also in high school.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
>> Feb 15, 1999. I was still in High School.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Joshaven Mailing Lists <
>> lis...@joshaven.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jun 17, 1998… It m*ust have been a popular year.*
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Joshaven Potter
>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
>>> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
>>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 4:21 PM, Justin Wilson - MTIN 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> July 1998. Have a business account that is newer, with more transactions.
>>>
>>> 
>>> Justin Wilson
>>> j...@mtin.net
>>>
>>> ---
>>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>>>
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 4:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> Member since: Dec 23, 2000
>>>
>>> Who has the oldest ebay account?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Ty Featherling]

Hey, you're getting Reddit on my AFMUG.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Joshua Stump  wrote:

> Old and jaded alright...
>
> Loved it. 5/7.
>
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> there are way more than 2 items left unanswered!
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just saw it, and for someone that stood in line for the first trilogy in
>>> the 80s, I think it was very good and more true to those than I thought
>>> they could ever get it!
>>>
>>> The humor was great, the nostalgia was on overload :)
>>>
>>> The story tied up a lot more than I thought it would given that two
>>> other movies are scheduled.
>>>
>>> There were really only one or two items that are left apparently
>>> unresolved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 9:25 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>>
>>> I don't think the empire worries about OSHA or carries a large workers
>>> comp policy.
>>>
>>> Steve D wrote:
>>> > Well, a planet sized base doesn't get built in thirty years with
>>> > things like "safety" and "security" getting in the way.
>>> > Sheesh, we're trying to be efficient here.
>>> >
>>> > Side note, this is my numero uno film of the year and ain't nobody
>>> > talkin' me out of that.  It was fun and it was all that I wanted in a
>>> > new SW film!
>>> >
>>> > -Steve D
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Cameron Crum >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Or not build bottomless pits with precarious bridges and no
>>> > handrails.
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Jay Weekley
>>> > mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > You would think they would learn how to protect their reactors
>>> > better.
>>> >
>>> > Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Bigger, same weakness.
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>> > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 8:45 PM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com 
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>> >
>>> > I heard there is a new death star.
>>> >
>>> > Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Something about the pacing was weird.�
>>> >
>>> > I enjoyed the little insights into the lives of storm
>>> > troopers.
>>> >
>>> > You are right about repeated themes thoughRay
>>> > (sp?) is the new Luke.� Luke is the new Yoda.� Old
>>> > Han Solo is the new Han Solo.� The story is all
>>> > about "the resistance" against the new empire so that
>>> > the good guys can remain underdogs.� The Republic is
>>> > talked about, but seen only briefly.
>>> >
>>> > I would have liked them to have drawn upon on Timothy
>>> > Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy for inspiration.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Star Wars
>>> > OK, I was there at the beginning, watching it with
>>> > my girlfriend and her family.� So old and jaded
>>> > for certain.�
>>> > �
>>> > If you saw that original one one, you also saw
>>> > this new one.� Just retooled.� Same thematic
>>> > elements, story arc, crisis etc etc.�
>>> > Some of the scenes could have been shared.� Just
>>> > no garbage compactor, but there is reference to
>>> it.�
>>> > �
>>> > Sorry but it sure as hell is not worth standing in
>>> > line to see.�
>>> > I got free tickets, and it was barely worth the
>>> > price of admission.�
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Joshua Stump
> Network Admin
> Fourway.NET
> 800-733-0062
>

Re: [AFMUG] Thanks Gino!

[Ty Featherling]

+1



-Ty

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Doesn’t surprise me.
>
> I would work for Gino!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thanks Gino!
>
>
>
> Gino was kind enough to show me around his operation in Puerto Rico. Looks
> like a well run operation with some great people.
>
>
>
> Hope to come back and visit again soon!
>
>
>
> Paul
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Humble Pie

[Ty Featherling]

That is the kind of day I had yesterday; pinched my finger in a gate,
banged my elbow on a door frame trying to get out of my jacket, banged my
shin on the trailer hitch on my truck, slipped off a wrench and about broke
a bone on the back of my hand, then got home and tripped over a box at home
(we are moving) with my hands full and landed on my shoulder. I quit.

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Last night walking from hotel to pizza hut I decided to walk in snow piled
> up on side of parking lot with my cool boots..  whoosh went I.elbow and
> butt broke fall...hands in pocket.  Shoulder sore and ego bruised.
>

Re: [AFMUG] test

[Ty Featherling]

response

not responsible or responded

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:33 AM,  wrote:

> not testy, or testimonial
>

Re: [AFMUG] National Broadband Map

[Ty Featherling]

I bet Brian Webster could shine a little light on it.

-Ty

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Ok - two articles that I read today both cite the national broadband map
> for "information".
> I wanted to pass along some information I received in a state of Alabama
> broadband meeting / briefing today.
>
> At a conference recently an Alabama state staffer discussed with personnel
> from the FCC the National Broadband Map.
> Staffer was told the fcc currently had *one* employee working on that map
> and to not expect it to be updated anytime soon.
>
> There was, and I quote, "little to no funding..." for the project.
>
> FYI.
> grain of salt.
> take it or leave it.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> Ouch, that Farm Futures article is pretty awful.  Probably what passes for
> journalism today.
>
> I hope you weren't too harsh on her.  Probably some gig economy writer
> paid
> a penny a word or something?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Harnish
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
>
> I contacted Peter Maher at Netwurx about the article.  They are close.
> Maybe that is who Matthew Howard works for.
>
> http://www.netwurx.net/wireless-high-speed
>
> I also wrote an email to Jessica Michael at Farm Futures about her lack of
> knowledge about the Wisp industry yesterday.  I haven't heard back from
> her
> yet.
>
> http://farmfutures.com/blogs-rural-internet-options-smart-office-10241
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Rick Harnish
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
> 260-307-4000 cell
> Skype: rick.harnish.Twitter:
> @rharnish
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:43 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
> >
> > Contact Ars... have them update the site saying that Wireless can solve
> a
> > lot
> > of these problems for a fraction of the price.   It'll be a good piece
> > they can do
> > on the wireless industry.  Find the name of the guy who wrote the
> article.
> > ahhh his email is  jon.brod...@arstechnica.com
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mathew Howard" 
> > To: "af" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:28:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any of you guys service this guy in the news?
> >
> > I'll just skimmed through the article... We might be able to get there,
> > I'll see if
> > I can figure out where exactly it is.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Steve  wrote:
> >
> > > Would be a good followup Ars story if someone with a 450 was able to
> > > hit this guy up with faster than DSL speeds!  Good PR for the WISP
> > > industry.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds-
> > ou
> > > t-cable-internet-will-cost-117000/
> > >
> > >
>
>

[AFMUG] reasonable request

[Ty Featherling]

Check this out, via our website contact us form:

"Message:

I would like to use your service but I'm tired of endless promises from
vendors regarding reliability and available. Up to xmps is a hollow
promise.

I would like to use your service but I'm not willing to pay an installation
charge or sign a "contract", and want 24x7 availability and reliability.

What can you "garrantee" that will satisfy my requirements?

Thanks"

I replied with my best explanation of how internet service works in the
real world. I let him know we could possible get him a dedicated connection
and included an estimated cost so that he could see the difference. His
reponse was to ask what our plans are to support UHD
(Ultra-High-Definition) streaming video. He thinks it is ridiculous that he
can only get HD streams to work.

I think I got through to him but damn, what the hell makes a person think
they can demand more while saying they shouldn't have to pay installation
or have a contract. He finally left me with "let me know if you ever have a
promotion for free install and no contract."

Re: [AFMUG] reasonable request

[Ty Featherling]

HAHA!

-Ty

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Send him the number for Disneyland and tell him to call them since they
> specialize in making fantasies come true.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2015 6:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] reasonable request
>
>
>
> Check this out, via our website contact us form:
>
>
>
> "Message:
>
> I would like to use your service but I'm tired of endless promises from
> vendors regarding reliability and available. Up to xmps is a hollow
> promise.
>
> I would like to use your service but I'm not willing to pay an
> installation charge or sign a "contract", and want 24x7 availability and
> reliability.
>
> What can you "garrantee" that will satisfy my requirements?
>
> Thanks"
>
> I replied with my best explanation of how internet service works in the
> real world. I let him know we could possible get him a dedicated connection
> and included an estimated cost so that he could see the difference. His
> reponse was to ask what our plans are to support UHD
> (Ultra-High-Definition) streaming video. He thinks it is ridiculous that he
> can only get HD streams to work.
>
> I think I got through to him but damn, what the hell makes a person think
> they can demand more while saying they shouldn't have to pay installation
> or have a contract. He finally left me with "let me know if you ever have a
> promotion for free install and no contract."
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] reasonable request

[Ty Featherling]

I  basically told him just that. I told him the only providers giving away
installations are those that are hurting for customers. I gave him all to
positives about our company and service and told him I hope he finds what
he is looking for from another provider.

-Ty

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> You can’t always get what you want.
> But if you try sometimes you just might find
> You get what you need.
>
> I would take the position that your service is the best available in your
> area, and it costs what it costs, no promos or freebies.  If it’s the best,
> people pay your price on your terms to get it.
>
> You know all those 50 year old guys you see driving new Corvettes?  Most
> of them have wanted one since they were 20 and kept asking the dealer when
> they were having a sale.  So they drove Malibus for 30 years, until they
> paid the asking price for the Corvette.
>
> Do these guys walk up to supermodels and say “Hey, babe, if you’re ever
> giving it away, call me”?  Does that ever work?  And if it did work, would
> that change the desirability factor?
>
> I’ve had people like this ask once a year if we were having a promo or
> free installs yet and finally after 2-3 years order service.  The fact that
> you don’t give it away enhances your brand image as the best.
>
> Or they just continue on their quest for fast, good and cheap with a
> guarantee but no strings and no upfront cost.  And a pony.
>
>
> *From:* Ty Featherling 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 8:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] reasonable request
>
> Check this out, via our website contact us form:
>
> "Message:
>
> I would like to use your service but I'm tired of endless promises from
> vendors regarding reliability and available. Up to xmps is a hollow
> promise.
>
> I would like to use your service but I'm not willing to pay an
> installation charge or sign a "contract", and want 24x7 availability and
> reliability.
>
> What can you "garrantee" that will satisfy my requirements?
>
> Thanks"
>
> I replied with my best explanation of how internet service works in the
> real world. I let him know we could possible get him a dedicated connection
> and included an estimated cost so that he could see the difference. His
> reponse was to ask what our plans are to support UHD
> (Ultra-High-Definition) streaming video. He thinks it is ridiculous that he
> can only get HD streams to work.
>
> I think I got through to him but damn, what the hell makes a person think
> they can demand more while saying they shouldn't have to pay installation
> or have a contract. He finally left me with "let me know if you ever have a
> promotion for free install and no contract."
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] reasonable request

[Ty Featherling]

I wasn't speaking globally. In our area the only company that is offering
free installs is the one that can't seem to keep customers.

-Ty

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> Companies that are hurting for customers are not the only ones that do
> free installation. I am not hurting for customers at all (I'd actually like
> to offload a few) and I do free installation. Anyone that has a quality
> product at the right price for customer and the ISP can afford to do a free
> installation because that customer will be very loyal and stay with you for
> a long time.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
> I  basically told him just that. I told him the only providers giving away
> installations are those that are hurting for customers. I gave him all to
> positives about our company and service and told him I hope he finds what
> he is looking for from another provider.
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> You can’t always get what you want.
>> But if you try sometimes you just might find
>> You get what you need.
>>
>> I would take the position that your service is the best available in your
>> area, and it costs what it costs, no promos or freebies.  If it’s the best,
>> people pay your price on your terms to get it.
>>
>> You know all those 50 year old guys you see driving new Corvettes?  Most
>> of them have wanted one since they were 20 and kept asking the dealer when
>> they were having a sale.  So they drove Malibus for 30 years, until they
>> paid the asking price for the Corvette.
>>
>> Do these guys walk up to supermodels and say “Hey, babe, if you’re ever
>> giving it away, call me”?  Does that ever work?  And if it did work, would
>> that change the desirability factor?
>>
>> I’ve had people like this ask once a year if we were having a promo or
>> free installs yet and finally after 2-3 years order service.  The fact that
>> you don’t give it away enhances your brand image as the best.
>>
>> Or they just continue on their quest for fast, good and cheap with a
>> guarantee but no strings and no upfront cost.  And a pony.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ty Featherling 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 8:43 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] reasonable request
>>
>> Check this out, via our website contact us form:
>>
>> "Message:
>>
>> I would like to use your service but I'm tired of endless promises from
>> vendors regarding reliability and available. Up to xmps is a hollow
>> promise.
>>
>> I would like to use your service but I'm not willing to pay an
>> installation charge or sign a "contract", and want 24x7 availability and
>> reliability.
>>
>> What can you "garrantee" that will satisfy my requirements?
>>
>> Thanks"
>>
>> I replied with my best explanation of how internet service works in the
>> real world. I let him know we could possible get him a dedicated connection
>> and included an estimated cost so that he could see the difference. His
>> reponse was to ask what our plans are to support UHD
>> (Ultra-High-Definition) streaming video. He thinks it is ridiculous that he
>> can only get HD streams to work.
>>
>> I think I got through to him but damn, what the hell makes a person think
>> they can demand more while saying they shouldn't have to pay installation
>> or have a contract. He finally left me with "let me know if you ever have a
>> promotion for free install and no contract."
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado warming in area

[Ty Featherling]

We have cloudy skies but it's a nice day here in the Hill Country. Keep
safe, stay inside where the Tecate is!

-Ty

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yep.  Big weenie.   This west Texas where tornadoes are very very rare.
> You guys plan baseball games around them.   But we do have earthquakes and
> Tecate
> On Oct 6, 2015 3:43 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Weenie.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Damn i was on 54 ft tower just an hour ago.  My phone got an alert and
>>> down i came.   The supercell did show up.   Lightning with continuous
>>> thunder then hail and winds.   I am home watching report.   I missed our
>>> home area.  Rotation on radar but no confirmation of touchdown
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lewis Bergman
>> 325-439-0533 Cell
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dinner tonight

[Ty Featherling]

LOL So will that cast iron skillet. It's all in how you use it. ;)

-Ty

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> LOVE scallops; especially the big ones like that.
>
> Also like the his & hers refrigerators!
>
> That Nutella will kill you.
>
> ;-)
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/8/2015 9:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Whole pan of scallops.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dinner tonight

[Ty Featherling]

Because I've tried that and it wasn't as delicious as Nutella!

-Ty

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> It's a hazard of reading the ingredient labels. The ingredient label on
> Nutella starts with:
>
>1. Sugar
>2. Oil
>3. Hazelnuts
>
> Which means there is more sugar and oil than there is nuts. WTF?!?!
>
> Why not just use a spoon with a bowl of sugar?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/9/2015 11:12 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
>
> LOL So will that cast iron skillet. It's all in how you use it. ;)
>
> -Ty
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> LOVE scallops; especially the big ones like that.
>>
>> Also like the his & hers refrigerators!
>>
>> That Nutella will kill you.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/8/2015 9:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Whole pan of scallops.
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 


-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] PTP400

[Ty Featherling]

An error on the vector. Sorry, too easy to pass up.

Vector Error: The vector error measurement compares the received signal's
In phase /
Quadrature (IQ) modulation characteristics to an ideal signal to determine
the composite error
vector magnitude. The results are stored in a histogram and expressed in dB
and presented
as: max, mean, min and latest. The expected range for Vector Error would be
approximately
0dB (NLOS link operating at sensitivity limit on BPSK ½) to –29dB (short
LOS link running
64QAM 7/8)

That's straight from Motorola PTP 400 Series User Manual Page 73 that I
found by searching Google for "PTP400 Vector Error."

Hope that helps.


-Ty

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:

> What does vector error indicate?
>

Re: [AFMUG] current 5ghz chart

[Ty Featherling]

Yes the rules are the same for all but with their current hardware
limitations the different products have to use different power levels to
still meet the OOBE requirements.



-Ty

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Limiting factor is OOBE more than EIRP.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Oct 14, 2015 2:13 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So the EIRP limits from the FCC differ per manufacturer? I thought they
>> were the same across the board
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any generic chart isn't going to be particularly accurate now, since
>>> every radio is a bit different under the new rules - especially at the band
>>> edges.
>>>
>>> You pretty much just have to follow what the firmware lets you do.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I had a chart, I dont know where its at, it went away when I went to
 windows 10. Just showed EIRP by channel/size accounting for band edges

 On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If you’re talking equipment certified under the new FCC rules, there
> is no simple answer.  It depends on the radio and may be different at 
> every
> frequency even within the same band.  So you need to check the firmware or
> a path calculator tool from the particular manufacturer, unless you are
> able to decipher the FCC equipment authorization filing.
>
> If you’re talking equipment grandfathered under the old rules, I
> believe it’s still +36 dBm in 5725-5850 for APs, and +30 dBm in DFS bands
> (less if channel is smaller than 20 MHz).  If you want to know 5150-5250,
> that wasn’t even available under the old rules.
>
> I could be wrong, but that’s my understanding.
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2015 2:54 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] current 5ghz chart
>
> is there a current printable chart online I can see for printing as
> reference for EIRP rules
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>

[AFMUG] $117,000 to install cable internet

[Ty Featherling]

Anyone know if a WISP around Wisconsin that might be able to help this guy?
I feel for him, he took all the right steps before he bought/built. Then
finds out he's screwed.


http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds-out-cable-internet-will-cost-117000/?mbid=synd_moz_technews6

-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] $117,000 to install cable internet

[Ty Featherling]

Oh well fine then. Be that way. :P

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> This guy was discussed at length in a previous thread.
>
>
>
> On 10/15/2015 12:15 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
>
>> Anyone know if a WISP around Wisconsin that might be able to help this
>> guy? I feel for him, he took all the right steps before he bought/built.
>> Then finds out he's screwed.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds-out-cable-internet-will-cost-117000/?mbid=synd_moz_technews6
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] $117,000 to install cable internet

[Ty Featherling]

I remember that thread. I didn't put this story and that together. This one
sounded much saner but his comments before were outrageous.

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> Yes, Steve's comments were excellent.
>
> To summarize the whole thing, a couple of us can almost get to him, but
> not quite - and nobody wants to. It turned out he actually had called us
> earlier this year.
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve has some fantastic comments.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Oct 15, 2015 9:17 AM, "Ty Featherling" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh well fine then. Be that way. :P
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This guy was discussed at length in a previous thread.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/15/2015 12:15 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know if a WISP around Wisconsin that might be able to help this
>>>>> guy? I feel for him, he took all the right steps before he bought/built.
>>>>> Then finds out he's screwed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/09/man-builds-house-then-finds-out-cable-internet-will-cost-117000/?mbid=synd_moz_technews6
>>>>>
>>>>> -Ty
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT

[Ty Featherling]

#comesandgoes
On Oct 18, 2015 9:13 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> It comes and goes.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 18, 2015 9:10:59 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> Mike, what are you on a # kick today? :)
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> #SucksAtScheduling   ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, October 18, 2015 8:40:33 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>>
>> No.  I was too busy checking in...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Oct 18, 2015 9:38 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> Were you not at the Ubiquiti event last week?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, October 17, 2015 5:17:21 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>>>
>>> From what I hear GPS is a sore subject at Ubnt.  Understandably.
>>>
>>> I don't see how Cambium got it so easily with atheros chips and Ubnt
>>> can't figure it out with the Canopy team...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Oct 17, 2015 6:15 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>>
 I don’t see GPS.   Don’t you need that to make this work or is AirPrsim
 that good?



 Rory



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 17, 2015 12:30 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT



 They had one at WISPAPALOOZA.  It is like 4 1/2' tall by 1' wide.  A
 beast of a sector.



 2015-10-15 11:53 GMT-06:00 Peter Kranz :


 https://www.ubnt.com/downloads/datasheets/RocketAC/Rocket_ac_Prism_DS.pdf




 *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com



>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Offlist - Star Wars

[Ty Featherling]

I just can't be bothered to jump through hoops to get the tickets now. I
will ride out the opening madness and find a viewing locally that I can get
into. My wife is actually excited about this so I should be able to make it
happen.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> This isn't offlist.
>
> I think I'll wait a couple days for the movie.  I want to see it but I'd
> rather avoid the stupid crowds.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> Just dropped $100 for tickets on December 18th for my family (2 adults
>> and 4 kids… although my 14 year old is an “adult” now).  I didn’t realize
>> until after I booked the tickets… it’s my wife’s birthday.  Thank god she
>> loves R2-D2 :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope I’m not the only one
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> Skype: danieldwhite
>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> [image: Avast logo] 
>>
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> www.avast.com 
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT

[Ty Featherling]

Same here. Keep in mind that is 10 miles from a tall tower or short tower
on a ridge to a customer on another ridge or adequate rise. Clear fresnel,
signal in the mid 60s.

-Ty
On Oct 20, 2015 12:33 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Mikrotik a and Ubiquiti, 20 MHz.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:31:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> What equipment and channel sizes are you using to do that with?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> I have.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:20:53 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> So, do you use OFDM radios at 10 mile distances or something else?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2015 8:10 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> Yep, you can only do so much with downtilt. in some cases a tower needs to
> be able to cover a ten mile radius to be practical, sometimes it needs to
> be able to cover a ridge three miles away that's level with the tower - in
> those cases, you can't really do much with downtilt.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Varies. Some a mile or two, some ten.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 19, 2015 9:54:09 AM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> Can you please explain further?  And how far are you using the towers to
> cover?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2015 7:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> It gets rather difficult to do that in a busy network covering lots of
> area.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 19, 2015 9:48:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> But don’t you use down-tilt to minimize the coverage so towers can’t hit
> each other?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2015 7:47 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> It all depends on the particular network and the terrain you're dealing
> with. If you're mostly doing micro-POPs where your "tower" is a tripod on a
> house roof (we have several of those), then yes, it isn't such a big deal
> to be able to sync with other towers, since most of them aren't going to be
> able to see eachother anyway, but if you're primarily on grain legs and
> actual towers that are 100'-300' and they might have LOS to a dozen other
> towers, then it's a very big deal to be able to sync the towers with
> eachother - if you don't have sync it gets to be a nightmare to try and
> coordinate everything.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> Multiple towers don’t really matter much with 256QAM OFDM with Ubiquiti
> because you have to plan on short ranges to get maximum modulation rates.
>  With tighter beam patterns on sectors and even customer radios with 30dBm
> F/B ratios, the reality is users won’t have multiple towers causing
> interference anyway.  There is more interference from indoor wireless
> routers than other towers.  I think it really only matters on 1 tower.
>
>
>
> In reality though, you are still better to just plan your Ubiquiti
> deployment on the tower without GPS and even then, try to stagger the
> antennas on the tower and keep them as far apart as possible to minimize
> interference.  That’s how we did our last tower.  Oh, and use RF Armor.
> That may change someday but it’s the reality today.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 18, 2015 11:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> With the channel size required, or the number of small sectors required to
> meet bandwidth demands in pmp in the day of ac not having a functional
> multisite timing solution, whether GPS or goat heartbeat based, it's better
> to start selling shoes instead of radio's. Just sy

Re: [AFMUG] Wait for it..

[Ty Featherling]

I've seen this a couple of times and I always start talking to the screen -
"You're using the wrong hooks!!"

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> funny guy
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Scott Vander Dussen  > wrote:
>
>> See attached...
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT

[Ty Featherling]

An example. Rocket M5 on 90 degree KPP sector. Tower is 40' tall. Customer
is 10.5 miles away with a Nanobridge M5 - 25 getting a -65 on a 20mhz
channel in 5.8GHz. AP hears this customer at -68. Attached is the path
profile and don't let the exaggerated y-axis fool you, the path from AP to
Station only drops 0.4 degrees.

-Ty





-Ty

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Same question though.  What kind of sector, what kind of client radio?
>
>
>
> The range is amazing, just wondering how much power/antenna gain is being
> applied.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> Same here. Keep in mind that is 10 miles from a tall tower or short tower
> on a ridge to a customer on another ridge or adequate rise. Clear fresnel,
> signal in the mid 60s.
>
> -Ty
>
> On Oct 20, 2015 12:33 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
> Mikrotik a and Ubiquiti, 20 MHz.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:31:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> What equipment and channel sizes are you using to do that with?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> I have.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:20:53 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> So, do you use OFDM radios at 10 mile distances or something else?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2015 8:10 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> Yep, you can only do so much with downtilt. in some cases a tower needs to
> be able to cover a ten mile radius to be practical, sometimes it needs to
> be able to cover a ridge three miles away that's level with the tower - in
> those cases, you can't really do much with downtilt.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Varies. Some a mile or two, some ten.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 19, 2015 9:54:09 AM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> Can you please explain further?  And how far are you using the towers to
> cover?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2015 7:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> It gets rather difficult to do that in a busy network covering lots of
> area.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 19, 2015 9:48:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
> But don’t you use down-tilt to minimize the coverage so towers can’t hit
> each other?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2015 7:47 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Interesting antenna from UBNT
>
>
>
> It all depends on the particular network and the terrain you're dealing
> with. If you're mostly doing micro-POPs where your "tower" is a tripod on a
> house roof (we have several of those), then yes, it isn't such a big deal
> to be able to sync with other towers, since most of them aren't going to be
> able to see eachother anyway, but if you're primarily on grain legs and
> actual towers that are 100'-300' and they might have LOS to a dozen other
> towers, then it's a very big deal to be able to sync the towers with
> eacho

Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?

[Ty Featherling]

For those having a hard time finding the beta firmwares, I had the same
problem. They are all here - subscribe to keep up to date.

http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Beta-Blog/bg-p/blog_airMAX_Beta

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Probably not, but it sounds like you do :P. Enjoy that purification sage
> high.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Oct 22, 2015 9:36 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ha. You don't smoke it.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Oct 21, 2015 9:14 PM, "Daniel White"  wrote:
>>
>>> I didn’t know you moved to Colorado **ducking**
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> afmu...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>
>>> Skype: danieldwhite
>>> Social: LinkedIn : Twitter
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 6:14 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Going light up some purification sage I got from Taos Pueblo and then
>>> shower...lots of anger there
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015 5:49 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>>>
>>> That's probably just because they don't post the betas on the forums
>>> anymore... you have to go to the beta blog.
>>>
>>> Their forums seem simple enough to navigate, they just aren't a very
>>> pleasant place to be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>> They seem simple enough over here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:47:03 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>>
>>> That is great to hear!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I really think that the UBNT forums are not easy to navigate and they
>>> don't give good search results. Am I the only one that thinks this?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:
>>>
>>> Based on my experience so far, backwards compatible AC is a real game
>>> changer for those running M networks. A simple AP swap is giving me massive
>>> improvements in performance for legacy M clients. I need more data, but it
>>> looks like I’m seeing 2x performance overall on loaded sectors. I think
>>> this is due to:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.   Faster CPU and Hardware Airmax offload on AC access point
>>>
>>> 2.   Improved AC RF front-end filtering reducing noise floor on
>>> channel
>>>
>>> 3.   Elimination of the software Airmax energy detect transmit
>>> defer issue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:54 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are up and running.49Mbps At 7.3 miles out of a 50mbps feed.
>>> Damn
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> Found them.  Thx
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015 3:11 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It took some searching for me also...but it's there.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can't find them. Arrrgh
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015 2:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015 2:23 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought B.C. meant before Christ !   so much for the history date
>>> lesson.
>>>
>>> It is my understanding that you need to
>>>
>>> install the AirOS 8 (beta) on AC radio
>>> and install AirOS 6 (beta) on the M Radios
>>>
>>> for the two to talk to each other.
>>>
>>> Check the Ubiquiti Beta Forum for more details.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:15:58 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>>
>>> > BC?
>>> >
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Brett A Mansfield
>>> >
>>> >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Keefe John 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> with the BC firmware.
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 10/21/2015 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Anyone try it?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> [image: Avast logo] 
>>>
>>> This em

Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?

[Ty Featherling]

No it doesn't enable the rules by default. You have to click a button to
enable them and you can disable them as well. On the AC gear and
Powerbeam/Nanobeams you can only enable them. That gets you DFS but applies
the new power levels.

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Well you have to upgrade your M gear to the latest beta...which has those
> rules as default doesn't it?  I was wondering the same thing.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I've only looked at airOS 6 a little, but the output power shouldn't
>> change on M gear unless you activate the Revised UNII Rules.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> Which version of the Rocket AC are you using on the AP side ?
>>>
>>> And how are you handling the 'missing channels' 
>>>
>>> Also, does the firmware reduce the power (as per new OOBE rules) on the
>>> M gear ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Peter Kranz" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 21, 2015 6:32:27 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>>
>>> Based on my experience so far, backwards compatible AC is a real game
>>> changer for those running M networks. A simple AP swap is giving me massive
>>> improvements in performance for legacy M clients. I need more data, but it
>>> looks like I’m seeing 2x performance overall on loaded sectors. I think
>>> this is due to:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.   Faster CPU and Hardware Airmax offload on AC access point
>>>
>>> 2.   Improved AC RF front-end filtering reducing noise floor on
>>> channel
>>>
>>> 3.   Elimination of the software Airmax energy detect transmit
>>> defer issue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:54 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are up and running.49Mbps At 7.3 miles out of a 50mbps feed.  Damn
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> Found them.  Thx
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015 3:11 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It took some searching for me also...but it's there.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can't find them. Arrrgh
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015 2:46 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2015 2:23 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought B.C. meant before Christ !   so much for the history date
>>> lesson.
>>>
>>> It is my understanding that you need to
>>>
>>> install the AirOS 8 (beta) on AC radio
>>> and install AirOS 6 (beta) on the M Radios
>>>
>>> for the two to talk to each other.
>>>
>>> Check the Ubiquiti Beta Forum for more details.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:15:58 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can Rocket AC5 talk to M5?
>>>
>>> > BC?
>>> >
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Brett A Mansfield
>>> >
>>> >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Keefe John 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> with the BC firmware.
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 10/21/2015 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Anyone try it?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Serving customers next door to tower

[Ty Featherling]

Can you bounce it off another building? I had luck with that in one case
like this.

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Same property, big concrete in the way.  Fiber would be way cost
> prohibitive (for their bandwidth needs).  Also, we have no network on the
> ground - it's all 150' up.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> Same property? Bury a fiber to them?
>>
>>
>> On 10/22/2015 12:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have any tips for this?
>>>
>>> My only thought process was to do an integrated radio *inside* the
>>> office building to keep from hearing every AP on the tower. We've had some
>>> issues with nearby customers using a Force110/Beam hearing way too much of
>>> the tower so we moved to Integrated/Nano to solve their problems.
>>>
>>> I have a business that needs service and it's literally the same address
>>> as the tower (150 feet up).  It's 60 feet away to the middle of the office
>>> but the ends are about 120 feet away.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drone 1. Powerbeam 5AC. 0

[Ty Featherling]

Did they fly in the path of the dish? How close did they get?
On Oct 24, 2015 2:37 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Knocked link off the air.   Musicians flying next to Tower..
> Adios muchacho
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] I was good this weekend

[Ty Featherling]

Queso blanco, of course!

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> What kind of queso in on the beans?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:20 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I was good this weekend
>
>
> Wife bought us dinner
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] Getting it done

[Ty Featherling]

Jaime, is that second, wider sector the AC 45degree one? That thing is wide!

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Jaime Solorza
> On Oct 27, 2015 2:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> To add a section.   Yes i did
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Oct 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You used a gin pole for that?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Installed 2.4GHz omni with Rocket 2. A Nanobeam AC.  120 Degree sector
 with M5 and 45 Degree sector with Rocket ACi moved all sectors to the
 top...

 Jaime Solorza

>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Uptime

[Ty Featherling]

I imagine Josh checks this unit every morning over coffee and looks at it
just like in this GIF

.

-Ty





-Ty

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I guess if it's not broke, don't try to fix it...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Austin San Antonio areas Storms

[Ty Featherling]

We got several inches of rain and some flash flooding but we are 50 miles
from where the tornadoes were spotted. Had lightning take out 4 APs last
night though. :(

-Ty
On Oct 30, 2015 7:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> How you guys holding up there in the hill country?  Stay safe...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] new star trek series annouced.....where? streaming only...

[Ty Featherling]

Really? We need a dedicated streaming service for CBS now? No thank you.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> Initial ep will be broadcast on CBS.  Future eps on "CBS ALL ACCESS"
>
> What is CBS All Access?
>
> CBS's version of netflix, hulu, hbo goyou name it.
>
> Similar to how Voyager debued,  I guess, to launch the United Paramount
> Network...
>
> What better way to move more people to streaming?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] new star trek series annouced.....where? streaming only...

[Ty Featherling]

Maybe from a certain generation. The kids aren't signing up for
CBS-anything for Star Trek. HBO having a dedicated streaming service is
viable. How many great shows are on HBO? How consistently has HBO produced
excellent content? What else does CBS have to offer except for Star Trek?

take a look at this:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=popular%20cbs%20shows

Tell me what they have that will draw eyeballs enough to pay monthly for
streaming access to it? Maybe this show will be tremendous and they will
follow it up with other top-notch programming. Only then will such a
product start to become appealing.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> ...but they chose the perfect franchise to attract dedicated eyeballs.
>
>
> On 11/2/2015 3:33 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
>
> Really? We need a dedicated streaming service for CBS now? No thank you.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Initial ep will be broadcast on CBS.  Future eps on "CBS ALL ACCESS"
>>
>> What is CBS All Access?
>>
>> CBS's version of netflix, hulu, hbo goyou name it.
>>
>> Similar to how Voyager debued,  I guess, to launch the United Paramount
>> Network...
>>
>> What better way to move more people to streaming?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] new star trek series annouced.....where? streaming only...

[Ty Featherling]

If there are millions like you then they may be on to something. I know my
dad watches a bunch of those shows. NCIS is his jam. Must be a generational
thing. I don't watch any of those shows. If Start Trek is good it will be
the exception.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> HBO's content? No idea. I have HBO, but never watch it.
>
> CBS? Hours a week.  :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> --
> *From: *"Ty Featherling" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, November 2, 2015 2:41:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] new star trek series annouced.where?
> streamingonly...
>
> Maybe from a certain generation. The kids aren't signing up for
> CBS-anything for Star Trek. HBO having a dedicated streaming service is
> viable. How many great shows are on HBO? How consistently has HBO produced
> excellent content? What else does CBS have to offer except for Star Trek?
>
> take a look at this:
> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=popular%20cbs%20shows
>
> Tell me what they have that will draw eyeballs enough to pay monthly for
> streaming access to it? Maybe this show will be tremendous and they will
> follow it up with other top-notch programming. Only then will such a
> product start to become appealing.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> ...but they chose the perfect franchise to attract dedicated eyeballs.
>>
>>
>> On 11/2/2015 3:33 PM, Ty Featherling wrote:
>>
>> Really? We need a dedicated streaming service for CBS now? No thank you.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Initial ep will be broadcast on CBS.  Future eps on "CBS ALL ACCESS"
>>>
>>> What is CBS All Access?
>>>
>>> CBS's version of netflix, hulu, hbo goyou name it.
>>>
>>> Similar to how Voyager debued,  I guess, to launch the United Paramount
>>> Network...
>>>
>>> What better way to move more people to streaming?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] new star trek series annouced.....where? streaming only...

[Ty Featherling]

I think the problem with a la carte as I see it today is to get what you
want you end up paying as much or more than you did for cable. If I can pay
$50/mo and get just the 5 networks' original programming I want plus a back
catalog of movies, documentaries, and syndicated TV shows I would sign up
today.



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> That’s fine if it’s a pay for what you want.  People don’t want to cut the
> cord, they want to cut the fat.  The cord is fine, as long as it has the
> right price.  Paying for things that you never use, the whole package
> system is broke and bad for the consumer.
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>
> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, November 2, 2015 2:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new star trek series annouced.where? streaming
> only...
>
>
>
> Careful what you wish for?
>
> I envision this coming full circle.  When people find it a pain in the ass
> to buy from a dozen different streaming companies we'll end up buying for a
> content aggregator who will become the 21st century cable company.
>
>
> On 11/2/2015 3:42 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
>
> +1. Why can't these guys just make a deal with Netflix or Hulu. But then
> again, that would make it subscription tv, right? Cord cutters seemingly
> want a la cart. I certainly don't want to pay for ESPN or any sports
> package. I will never watch it. And a sports fan with no kids may not want
> to pay for Disney Jr, so why should they pay for it?
>
>
>
> I'm all for moving everything to streaming.  But perhaps we can find a
> better way to do it? Something that doesn't use as much bandwidth? Like a
> local caching server that can cache the most frequently watched shows and
> movies? I can see that as being a licensing nightmare though.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
> Really? We need a dedicated streaming service for CBS now? No thank you.
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Initial ep will be broadcast on CBS.  Future eps on "CBS ALL ACCESS"
>
>
>
> What is CBS All Access?
>
>
>
> CBS's version of netflix, hulu, hbo goyou name it.
>
>
>
> Similar to how Voyager debued,  I guess, to launch the United Paramount
> Network...
>
>
>
> What better way to move more people to streaming?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] using heliax for DC power up tower?

[Ty Featherling]

Any reason I couldn't use 1/4" heliax I already have in place up a tower to
run power to a POE switch?

This is the stuff:
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=469162

-Ty

Re: [AFMUG] using heliax for DC power up tower?

[Ty Featherling]

Thanks. I was hoping that was the case.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I did that with LMR600 on one of our towers... it's working fine.
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> A tower we lit up right at a year ago is doing this.  It uses those
>> massive 1/16 DIN connectors which we changed to N and a 2 post.  Use LMR400
>> outdoors to go to the enclosure with an N female bulkhead.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Ty Featherling 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any reason I couldn't use 1/4" heliax I already have in place up a tower
>>> to run power to a POE switch?
>>>
>>> This is the stuff:
>>> https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=469162
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] using heliax for DC power up tower?

[Ty Featherling]

Onlist please. Share the wealth!!

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> If you need part numbers for what I used just ask on/offlist.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I was hoping that was the case.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did that with LMR600 on one of our towers... it's working fine.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A tower we lit up right at a year ago is doing this.  It uses those
>>>> massive 1/16 DIN connectors which we changed to N and a 2 post.  Use LMR400
>>>> outdoors to go to the enclosure with an N female bulkhead.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Ty Featherling >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Any reason I couldn't use 1/4" heliax I already have in place up a
>>>>> tower to run power to a POE switch?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the stuff:
>>>>> https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=469162
>>>>>
>>>>> -Ty
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] using heliax for DC power up tower?

[Ty Featherling]

Thanks all, great solution Josh!

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> You can run DC *or* AC over it.
>
> Think of it this way, 1000 watt ham radio puts 223 volts AC (at RF
> frequencies) on the coax and everything is just fine.
>
> All CATV systems put 60 or 90 volts AC on the line to power the amps.
>
> *From:* Ty Featherling 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 2:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] using heliax for DC power up tower?
>
> Any reason I couldn't use 1/4" heliax I already have in place up a tower
> to run power to a POE switch?
>
> This is the stuff:
> https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=469162
>
> -Ty
>

Re: [AFMUG] Arizona had an earthquake today

[Ty Featherling]

Jamie for President! Si se puede!
-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I can send relief beer to help out in this crisis
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Nov 3, 2015 4:55 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> No worries though.  We are working on the repairs now.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image:
>> https://scontent.fphx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12191720_10207847274929378_2937235182374566709_n.jpg?oh=73253e33a0a205c5806ca477301cdc62&oe=56FA80CD]
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> “I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life
>> are good friends and a good bullpen.”
>>
>>  ~Baseball saying by: Bob Lemon
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Has FCC "gone off the rails" with latest Wi-Fi blocking fines? | ITworld

[Ty Featherling]

+1 that's what they are supposed to do.

-Ty
On Nov 3, 2015 8:32 PM, "Carl Peterson"  wrote:

> IMHO, the FCC is doing exactly what they should be doing in these cases.
> The convention center APs would send spoofed deauth to anything they heard,
> including devices well outside the convention center.  Deliberate malicious
> interference with another's use of shared spectrum.
>
> On Nov 3, 2015, at 8:13 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.itworld.com/article/3000979/mobile/has-fcc-gone-off-the-rails-with-latest-wi-fi-blocking-fines.html?google_editors_picks=true
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon censoring emails.

[Ty Featherling]

Yeah I was intrigued until I saw the infowars.com url.

-Ty



-Ty

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> can we please not post alex jones' conspiracy theory website?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_%28radio_host%29
>
> black helicopters, the new world order, JADE HELM, obama is a secret
> muslim, obama is gonna take away your guns. obamacare death panels!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.infowars.com/verizon-begins-scanning-and-censoring-customer-emails/
>>
>>
>>
>> The article mentioned they were also censoring text messages at one
>> point.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> “I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life
>> are good friends and a good bullpen.”
>>
>>  ~Baseball saying by: Bob Lemon
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon censoring emails.

[Ty Featherling]

Great game. These new ones are a lot of fun too but they aren't quite the
same as the original.

-Ty



-Ty

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 11/4/15 08:43, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
>> oh they very much existed and had been fleshed out in excruciating
>> imaginary detail before deus ex was published in 2000. FEMA conspiracies
>> were a stable of Art Bell's late night AM radio show from like 1995 to
>> 2000.
>>
>
>
> Deus Ex was the first time I'd been exposed to it.
>
> Speaking of that, there's a new mod that remasters the original that I
> need to go play.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF2X, AF3X, AF5X SNMP

[Ty Featherling]

Missing the attachment I think, Steve.

-Ty



-Ty

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:

> Here is a Cacti Host Template that I built.   Works on AirFiber 5X and
> AirFiber 24, and should work on any other AirFiber Platform, as it appears
> they all use the same MIB.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> I will try to remember to post a cacti host template here when I have one
>> built for the AF5X, to save others the work of reinventing the wheel...
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> I am pulling and graphing most of the pertinent stuff and haven't had
>>> any issues.  It is a huge step up from where they were.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 wow, scrolling through that, it is significantly more detailed than the
 last ubnt MIB I saw. They must've put quite a lot of person-hours into it.

 On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Works perfectly
> http://dl.ubnt.com/firmwares/airfiber5X/v3.0.2.1/UBNT-MIB.txt
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> ubnt guys, what's the state of SNMP on these?  If any serious
>> progress has been made in the last 3-4 months, can you paste a numeric
>> snmpwalk of an operational unit?
>>
>> second question: If SNMP is still broken, does CPU usage of the http
>> management interface have any effect on traffic flow whatsoever?  I'm
>> thinking of a short shell script with curl to login to the https front 
>> page
>> of the radio and grab key parameters like RSL on both chains. Every 60
>> seconds.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] recommendations for 3.65 Ghz 120 degree dual slant antenna

[Ty Featherling]

Yes KPP. I haven't used the dual-slant version but I have dozens of their
sectors up and they are great. Here is the one you are looking for:

http://www.kpperformance.ca/3ghz-120-degree-14-5-dbi-sector

-Ty



-Ty

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> KP makes one - I haven't used them myself, but I've always only ever heard
> good things about their antennas. I can't think of any others in 120 degree
> off hand.
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Anybody have a recommendation for 3.65 Ghz 120 degree dual slant sector
>> antenna ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 office
>>
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] B5 vs AF5X

[Ty Featherling]

Ubiquiti hasn't figured it out for Airmax devices, no. For AirFiber
products it works great.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Cambium figured out sync no problem.
>
> Mimosa figured out sync no problem.  Doesn't match up with Canopy...but
> it's a step in the right direction.
>
> Ubnt can't figure it out for one reason or another.  It's probably safe to
> say that they're the ones that need to do the big push since they're a HUGE
> part of the market.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> You know what would be really nice to see .
>>
>> The day when one can use different mfg radios, on the same tower, using
>> gps sync, and have them all get along 
>>
>> Would actually create a bit of a revolution in the industry across the
>> board !
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Rory Conaway" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, November 6, 2015 12:19:58 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B5 vs AF5X
>>
>> I was thinking the same thing on the noise/interference issue.  This has
>> nothing to do with the efficiency by design.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have never seen a Mimosa avoid a channel because the other radio is
>> using it.  That kind of makes no sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> Both radios have big firmware upgrades coming.  The AF5x is supposed to
>> have split channels, the Mimosas a lower latency and better handling of the
>> Auto-Everything feature with multiple Mimosa radios on the same tower.
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now for us, the split channel and auto-feature are keeping things
>> running in excessively high interference levels.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 6, 2015 9:33 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] B5 vs AF5X
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Just a few FYI comments:-
>>
>> >
>>
>> >the efficiency of PHY layer is greatly dependent on the noise and
>> interference factors.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the case with every radio. While there are differences how radios
>> perform with interference.
>>
>>
>>
>> >One can 'tune' auto everything mode, by manually locking out channels
>> (i.e. channels in use by other equipment of yours).
>>
>> If I am correct Mimosa plans to autonegotiate used channels with radios
>> on the same l2 network.
>>
>>
>>
>> >There is another release for the PTP which is due soon 1.3 (I believe)
>> which is supposed to have some more >interesting
>> improvementsincluding a reduction in latency...
>>
>>
>>
>> This will be great. Latency will be an issue when there are chained links.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, November 6, 2015 9:24:47 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] B5 vs AF5X
>>
>>
>>
>> >I’ve got both radios running in different areas.  The Mimosa radios are
>> pretty proprietary in they are actually running about 87.5% of the PHY
>> layer for throughput.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is with 8ms Frame size I guess. We use only 2 or 4 as latency adds
>> up with multiple links.
>>
>>
>>
>> >At that level, I really don’t think there is that much difference
>> between the radios.  The advantage in the world I live in is that spectrum
>> interference is constantly changing and that the combination of split
>> frequencies and auto-everything both make my life easier and seems to
>> maximize thought.
>>
>>
>>
>> Auto-Everything still does not work for me. Still does some wired
>> decisions. At some links the background spectrum scan still shows the own
>> radio as interferer. Using this as information for channel selection does
>> not help.
>>
>>
>>
>> >The AF5x radios however, have 10, 30 and 50MHz channel options whereas
>> the Mimosa have an 80MHz channel option.  Finding the spectrum to maximize
>> the radios is the real key to optimizing the AF5x and they give you 3
>> distinct options.  With the Mimosa’s I don’t worry about it, they search
>> all the spectrum and make the changes in terms of channels and channel
>> widths.
>>
>>
>>
>> We’re very limited in high power spectrum (only 120MHz with 36db EiRP) so
>> I want to squeeze every bit out of it. This is why I look at the AF5X for
>> some places.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >What will be interesting is how both radios perform after the next
>> firmware releases.  Both products are expecting big things.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess you’re talkin PTMP? Would love to see this.
>>
>>
>>
>> I see both Radios have a great hardware base and have the possibility to
>> get better with Firmware.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
>> *Sent:* Friday, Novemb

Re: [AFMUG] Steer customers to ACH (vs CC)?

[Ty Featherling]

Ken, how are you scanning those checks in? What billing system are you
integrating that with and how?
-Ty



-Ty

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I love auto bill pay, where the customer sets up for the bank to
> automatically mail a check each month to arrive on or before the payment
> due date.  I stress to customers that unlike other bills with phony fees
> and taxes, our bill is exactly the same each month so they can use auto
> bill pay.  We often get an envelope full of these checks, they always scan
> correctly, and they seem never to bounce (I think the bank deducts them
> from the customer’s account before mailing them).  I know some of the folks
> here don’t like processing them, but I just don’t understand that, it’s
> minimal work.
>
> This method saves the customer a stamp, and given our rural area, a
> customer mailing a check by putting it out for the mail carrier involves
> lots of risks.  Like soaked by rain, chewed by mice, or lost somewhere
> between their mailbox and the post office.
>
> We did for awhile have ACH indirectly through a third party payment
> portal, and I was surprised to discover exactly what you described, I did
> not realize an ACH payment could bounce just like a check.
>
> It is always the problem customers who want special payment methods.  I
> reluctantly set up payment via PayPal for one problem customer to pay, and
> I guess if PayPal accepts ACH that would be a way to accept ACH.  I assume
> though if the ACH payment bounced, Paypal would claw back the money from
> you.  Or maybe delay availability to make sure it cleared.  I hate the
> Paypal method anyway because we have to finagle the payment manually in our
> billing system and then either get a check periodically from Paypal or use
> it to buy stuff on eBay.
>
> Unfortunately, no one seems to understand budgeting anymore, except the
> seniors on Social Security.  They want to see how long it takes for their
> Internet to be turned off, then look in the couch cushions for change or
> see if they have any gift cards with money on them.  But somehow when you
> go to their house to repo the radio, the power is on, their cellphone
> works, they have food on the table and gas in the car.  Internet is at the
> top of life’s necessities, except when it comes to paying bills.
>
> I always wonder at the lines in front of the RedBox kiosks.  Who pays $1
> to rent a movie when you can get a Netflix subscription?  I assume it’s the
> pay-as-you-go economy.  You go to the grocery store, and at the end if you
> have a dollar bill in your pocket, you rent a movie.  If not, no movie.
> It’s too hard to know if you can afford $9 each and every month.  And if
> your job is driving for Uber, maybe I can understand how you just can’t
> plan your income.
>
>
> *From:* Jeremy 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Steer customers to ACH (vs CC)?
>
> I originally loved ACH, for the cost savings.  Now I have realized that it
> is the only way that a customer can defraud us with our current billing
> method.  They login and run an ACH on a delinquent account, get it turned
> back on automagically, and then it bounces, we add a fee, they repeat the
> process, we turn it off, add another fee, rinse, lather, repeat.  Finally
> we give up and go get the equipment and now we're out like $250.  Being a
> prepaid service we usually shut them off after 20 days and so that would be
> the most that anyone could possibly hit us for (20 days of service).  With
> checks they can bounce the install and then play the re-activation game for
> two months before we get frustrated and pull out.
>
> We have yet to start sending customers to collections.  For those of you
> that are, how does it work out?  Are the reclamation of these minor amounts
> worth the slanderous hate speech that is sure to come from that customer
> for life after you hit their credit?  We have been eating the cost, cutting
> ties, and moving on.
>
> As far as how we push them toward ACH, I simply explain how bad bill pay
> sucks.  It is like sending cash in the mail and it goes through a third
> party.  If they are late mailing it then service gets shut off, and late
> fees get added.  I also tell them that credit cards cost us more to process
> than checks.  I basically just tell them that we prefer ACH, but we will
> take anything.  I regularly question whether ACH is a good idea or not.  We
> have more problem customers on ACH than any other payment method.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Our bank wants a $25/mo minimum fee for us to process ACH payments, so we
>> don’t accept ACH.  The per transaction fee is not bad, but the minimum is a
>> problem.
>>
>> *From:* Justin Wilson - MTIN 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Steer customers to ACH (vs CC)?
>>
>> Give them a discount.  Much of it depends on the ba

Re: [AFMUG] MikroTik Tools for Mac

[Ty Featherling]

I didn't even know about them. Downloading now!

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists <
lis...@joshaven.com> wrote:

> I don’t know how many of of the AFMUGgers might be using my MikroTik tools
> for Mac but I finally got around to updating the compiled versions for El
> Capitan Support.
>
> Winbox: http://joshaven.com/resources/tools/winbox-for-mac/
>
> The Dude: http://joshaven.com/resources/tools/the-dude-for-mac/
>
>
> Let me know if there is any trouble.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MikroTik Tools for Mac

[Ty Featherling]

No problem here running it on Yosemite.

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists  wrote:

> Interesting… I hope this is something of a unique issue...
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Justin Wilson - MTIN  wrote:
>
> Very cool.  Works great on mine.  Ive been meaning to get around to
> re-bottling it under WineBottler, but this saved me a ton of time. The only
> issue I ran into, and it may just e me, is when I went into security and
> died the “open anyway” it did not let me.  The “Open anyway” button didn’t
> seem to work.  I had to elect “anywhere” and then move it back for it to
> open.  Never ran into that. Always the “open anyway” worked.  Like I said
> could just be me.
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net
> 
> Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> 
>  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Nov 16, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists 
> wrote:
>
> I don’t know how many of of the AFMUGgers might be using my MikroTik tools
> for Mac but I finally got around to updating the compiled versions for El
> Capitan Support.
>
> Winbox: http://joshaven.com/resources/tools/winbox-for-mac/
> 
>
> The Dude: http://joshaven.com/resources/tools/the-dude-for-mac/
> 
>
>
> Let me know if there is any trouble.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Square IPO

[Ty Featherling]

Clearly she doesn't. ;)

-Ty



-Ty

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yikes...did you call your wife dumb?  Man you have more balls than I do.
> Hopefully she doesn't read these posts.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3M Slim Lock Closure

[Ty Featherling]

I posted this on the "Tower Climbers of America" Facebook group and a bunch
of them have used and love them. One guy so far said they leak.

-Ty

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Almost as good as George's shrink tube solution.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/12/2015 12:48 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:
>
>> Does anybody use this?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9fpx5xZz6I
>>
>> What are your thoughts?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Breaks and Phone Use

[Ty Featherling]

Firing squad.

Seriously though, we talk to them like human beings and point out the
problem with their activity. If they don't correct they are written up with
clear indication of the consequences if they proceed. Then you keep your
word.

-Ty

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
 wrote:

> Employee Question:
>
>
>
> How does your organization handle excessive smoke breaks and constant
> smart phone usage?
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.*
> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>
>
>
> [image: ICI]
>
> *What can ICI do for you?*
>
>
> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
> Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
>
> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
> *addressee shown. It contains information that is*
> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
> *prohibited.*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speed

[Ty Featherling]

I would explain the difference in your service and theirs first (e.i. data
caps, reliable speeds, a physical connection, etc. ) If you have a faster
package let them know. If LTE really is faster for them and they don't get
the differences then they will have to make that call for themselves. They
may drop you and rely on their LTE but they will learn real quick whether
or not it really is better. They will either comb back with a renewed
respect for your service or be gone forever. In the end you can't save
people from themselves.

-Ty

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Matt  wrote:

> How do you respond to a customer on your cheapest package that
> complains there LTE phone is faster then there wireless connection
> they purchased?  I think they are near a tower and are getting
> something like 20+ mbps speed test on LTE.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Belkin F6D4230-4 bridging all wireless MACs

[Ty Featherling]

I've seen this with a handful of routers. Some weird bug I guess. The
customer doesn't complain of issues, I just see multiple MACs on their
radio's bridge table. Only the WAN MAC of the router pulls dhcp from us.

-Ty

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:39 PM, That One Guy 
wrote:

> Is there any good reason this customer router would be bridging the
> internal device MACs? Theyre showing up on the bridging table in the canopy
> radio, but as best I can tell theyre getting their DHCP address from the
> router and not actually causing a problem. Is this some sort of witchcraft
> on Belkins part?
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>

Re: [AFMUG] Current Stable UBNT FW for NBM5

[Ty Featherling]

5.5.10 gets you UNI-I and has worked fine for me.

-Ty
On Feb 16, 2015 9:44 PM, "Tyler Treat"  wrote:

> I'm seeing 5.5.8 and 5.5.10 out there.   What do I want?
> Short PTP shot.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput

[Ty Featherling]

Of course the FCC cares! They just implemented those totally realistic OOBE
limits on 5ghz! /sarcasm

-Ty

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   Also spectrum reuse.  With the narrow beam and O2 absorption, you can
> have a lot of 60 GHz links in an area, all using the same frequencies.  But
> that argument is lost on the WiFi folks.  And apparently the FCC folks, who
> are enamored with shared use but not so much with only pointing your RF
> where it is needed.
>
>
>  *From:* Adam Moffett 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
>
>  Well it still needs a few constraints
>
> At a range of 3 feet I bet we can do better than 12 bits/hz and use 100ghz.
>
>
>  I guess i needed to define better
> but the gist is of the usable spectrum probably less than 500gbps?
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>>   What about Li-Fi?
>>
>> (it has to work, it’s from a TED talk)
>>
>>  *From:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:23 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
>>
>>   At a distance of 10 miles during a rain storm?
>>
>>  *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 6:37 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
>>
>>
>> So the 31ghz and 38ghz links I  installed many years ago never passed
>> data and phone calls?  I knew I was kidding myself.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Feb 16, 2015 4:45 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>>   The entire radio spectrum  is  infinite in theory as all light, xrays
>>> etc are all electromagnetic waves.
>>>
>>> The “usable” “RF”  spectrum depends on range and rainfall and other
>>> factors.
>>>
>>> While some will say that 60 GHz is usable  and THz frequencies are
>>> usable and free space optics in IR are usable I would limit the answer to
>>> 24 GHz.
>>>
>>> So 24 x 12 bits per hz =288 Gbps.
>>>
>>>  *From:* That One Guy 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2015 4:19 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] curious, all the spectrums throughput
>>>
>>>  Theoretically, based on current bits/hz maximums, and assuming there
>>> was a radio capable, and an antenna capable, with no other limitations.
>>> What is the maximum throughput of the entire Radio spectrum not going too
>>> far into details like processing overhead or any of that.
>>>
>>> --
>>>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
>>> the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Water Tower Hatch Mount

[Ty Featherling]

Yes. This is it. I haven't used it but I remember the thread.

http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=45&Cat=

-Ty

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> I've see a few M-TOW's with long all thread posted here doing the same
> thing.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I know this has come up a few times (possibly by me), but does this setup
>> seem reasonable for attaching antennas to the center access hatch of a
>> pedisphere water tower? (Yes, yes, I know consult a structural engineer.)
>>
>> One of these around the hatch:
>>
>> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/andrew/pdf/part/MC-RM1030-4.aspx?id=1653&ShowPatterns=False
>>
>> Four of these:
>>
>> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/pdf/part/MC-SA24-B.aspx?id=674&ShowPatterns=False
>>
>> Four pipes
>>
>> There's nothing else to mount to.
>>
>> Also, there's always plugs (like a 4" diameter hole) screwed into the
>> tops of these things. I'm assuming to pass cables through. Anyone have any
>> recommendations on what I could put there for a pass-through vs. taking
>> them out and just putting in silicon or Great Stuff. 4" of hole, 1" (at
>> most) of cables.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Water Tower Hatch Mount

[Ty Featherling]

BLASPHEMY!! Kill the traitor!!

Lol, to each his own. I don't know if care for that version but the ones I
use have been a Godsend.


-Ty

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I've seen them before too. Looks too flimsy to me. I know this is the
> wrong crowd to say this in, but none of the M-TOW line really interests me.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
> *From: *"Ty Featherling" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:30:16 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Water Tower Hatch Mount
>
>
> Yes. This is it. I haven't used it but I remember the thread.
>
> http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=45&Cat=
>
> -Ty
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> I've see a few M-TOW's with long all thread posted here doing the same
>> thing.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> I know this has come up a few times (possibly by me), but does this
>>> setup seem reasonable for attaching antennas to the center access hatch of
>>> a pedisphere water tower? (Yes, yes, I know consult a structural engineer.)
>>>
>>> One of these around the hatch:
>>>
>>> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/andrew/pdf/part/MC-RM1030-4.aspx?id=1653&ShowPatterns=False
>>>
>>> Four of these:
>>>
>>> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/pdf/part/MC-SA24-B.aspx?id=674&ShowPatterns=False
>>>
>>> Four pipes
>>>
>>> There's nothing else to mount to.
>>>
>>> Also, there's always plugs (like a 4" diameter hole) screwed into the
>>> tops of these things. I'm assuming to pass cables through. Anyone have any
>>> recommendations on what I could put there for a pass-through vs. taking
>>> them out and just putting in silicon or Great Stuff. 4" of hole, 1" (at
>>> most) of cables.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Water Tower Hatch Mount

[Ty Featherling]

Have you used them? It doesn't sound like it. They are far from flimsy.
They are less beefy than the commercial tower type mounts but for many of
my uses those commercial ones are way overkill. That's why he started
building them in the first place. He doesn't actually have a direct
competitor to the Commscope pipe to pipe mounts. I use those too when
needed. For mounting a sector, the original M-TOW or M-TOW-10 is where it's
at. For small dishes (ie RocketDish30), I like the M-TOW-P. I've mounted
Airfiber5s with M-TOW-D and M-TOW-A. None of those is under any risk of
moving or failing. Some cases require more beefy hardware and for those I
get more beefy hardware. If you haven't tried any of the M-TOW line I would
recommend it.

-Ty

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> They look great for a customer or a repeater, but not a tower. I use the
> Commscope pipe to pipe mounts. They're available locally, beefy as all hell
> and reasonably priced.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
> *From: *"Ty Featherling" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:59:23 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Water Tower Hatch Mount
>
> BLASPHEMY!! Kill the traitor!!
>
> Lol, to each his own. I don't know if care for that version but the ones I
> use have been a Godsend.
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I've seen them before too. Looks too flimsy to me. I know this is the
>> wrong crowd to say this in, but none of the M-TOW line really interests me.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Ty Featherling" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:30:16 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Water Tower Hatch Mount
>>
>>
>> Yes. This is it. I haven't used it but I remember the thread.
>>
>> http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=45&Cat=
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>>> I've see a few M-TOW's with long all thread posted here doing the same
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know this has come up a few times (possibly by me), but does this
>>>> setup seem reasonable for attaching antennas to the center access hatch of
>>>> a pedisphere water tower? (Yes, yes, I know consult a structural engineer.)
>>>>
>>>> One of these around the hatch:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/andrew/pdf/part/MC-RM1030-4.aspx?id=1653&ShowPatterns=False
>>>>
>>>> Four of these:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/pdf/part/MC-SA24-B.aspx?id=674&ShowPatterns=False
>>>>
>>>> Four pipes
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing else to mount to.
>>>>
>>>> Also, there's always plugs (like a 4" diameter hole) screwed into the
>>>> tops of these things. I'm assuming to pass cables through. Anyone have any
>>>> recommendations on what I could put there for a pass-through vs. taking
>>>> them out and just putting in silicon or Great Stuff. 4" of hole, 1" (at
>>>> most) of cables.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Water Tower Hatch Mount

[Ty Featherling]

I get mine through Double-Radius but hey drop-ship from WBMFG. Actually I
just ordered a batch today.

-Ty

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Never used them, no.
>
> Does anyone in Chicago stock them?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Ty Featherling 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:18:48 -0600 (CST)
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Water Tower Hatch Mount
>
> Have you used them? It doesn't sound like it. They are far from flimsy.
> They are less beefy than the commercial tower type mounts but for many of
> my uses those commercial ones are way overkill. That's why he started
> building them in the first place. He doesn't actually have a direct
> competitor to the Commscope pipe to pipe mounts. I use those too when
> needed. For mounting a sector, the original M-TOW or M-TOW-10 is where it's
> at. For small dishes (ie RocketDish30), I like the M-TOW-P. I've mounted
> Airfiber5s with M-TOW-D and M-TOW-A. None of those is under any risk of
> moving or failing. Some cases require more beefy hardware and for those I
> get more beefy hardware. If you haven't tried any of the M-TOW line I would
> recommend it.
>
> -Ty
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> > They look great for a customer or a repeater, but not a tower. I use the
> > Commscope pipe to pipe mounts. They're available locally, beefy as all
> hell
> > and reasonably priced.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> >
> > --
> > *From: *"Ty Featherling" 
> > *To: *af@afmug.com
> > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:59:23 AM
> >
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Water Tower Hatch Mount
> >
> > BLASPHEMY!! Kill the traitor!!
> >
> > Lol, to each his own. I don't know if care for that version but the ones
> I
> > use have been a Godsend.
> >
> >
> > -Ty
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> >
> >> I've seen them before too. Looks too flimsy to me. I know this is the
> >> wrong crowd to say this in, but none of the M-TOW line really interests
> me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *From: *"Ty Featherling" 
> >> *To: *af@afmug.com
> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:30:16 AM
> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Water Tower Hatch Mount
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes. This is it. I haven't used it but I remember the thread.
> >>
> >> http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=45&Cat=
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've see a few M-TOW's with long all thread posted here doing the same
> >>> thing.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Chuck
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I know this has come up a few times (possibly by me), but does this
> >>>> setup seem reasonable for attaching antennas to the center access
> hatch of
> >>>> a pedisphere water tower? (Yes, yes, I know consult a structural
> engineer.)
> >>>>
> >>>> One of these around the hatch:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/andrew/pdf/part/MC-RM1030-4.aspx?id=1653&ShowPatterns=False
> >>>>
> >>>> Four of these:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/pdf/part/MC-SA24-B.aspx?id=674&ShowPatterns=False
> >>>>
> >>>> Four pipes
> >>>>
> >>>> There's nothing else to mount to.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, there's always plugs (like a 4" diameter hole) screwed into the
> >>>> tops of these things. I'm assuming to pass cables through. Anyone
> have any
> >>>> recommendations on what I could put there for a pass-through vs.
> taking
> >>>> them out and just putting in silicon or Great Stuff. 4" of hole, 1"
> (at
> >>>> most) of cables.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -
> >>>> Mike Hammett
> >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mount for tower

[Ty Featherling]

I agree. I also find that when mounting to a tower sometimes you can't put
the M-TOW exactly where you want it because it will hit something like a
cross-member. With the 10" models you have more freedom to move mounts up
and down accordingly and still meet up with the brackets on the antenna. It
also helps that for quite some time due to an error I was getting the 10s
cheaper than the regular M-TOWs with my distributor!!

-Ty

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I find a lot of products work with the 10" versus the standard 6".  Not by
> more than an inch or two, though :/
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 19, 2015 10:22 AM, "Vince West"  wrote:
>
>> I would use an M-TOW
>>  or M-TOW-10
>>  (not sure
>> what the spacing is on the bracket for the Cyclone AP). I use a lot of the
>> M-TOW-10 just because I like having the extra space on the mount.
>>
>> Vince West
>> Tower Hand
>> Technical Support
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 148 Citizens Blvd
>> Simpsonville, KY 40067
>> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Ryan Mano 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I need to mount an omni cyclone on the side of the dmx tower…what
>>> tower mount should I get from wb manufacturing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] There goes the neighborhood, right?

[Ty Featherling]

Yeah Steve is the canary in the coal mine regarding couth. If Steve is here
we are doing fine.

-Ty

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Couth? Nobody threw me out, so I'm assuming not...
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>>   Animal Farm is couth now?
>>
>> OMG, just like the book, are the pigs walking upright, wearing clothes
>> and drinking whiskey now?  Has Chuck retired his loincloth?
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Patrick Leary 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:49 AM
>> *To:* Af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] There goes the neighborhood, right?
>>
>>
>> Okay then.
>>
>>
>>
>> I commit to being a responsible contributor here. I've joined since I've
>> noticed the archives are populated with a fair number of threads about
>> Telrad and/or the COMPACT -- and among them many incorrect assumptions. I'm
>> here to share info, dispel rumor, and take arrows. I will stay out of
>> threads where I don't belong.
>>
>>
>>
>> We will also plan on going to Chuck's next Animal Farm. Frankly, I did
>> not know it was open, instead assuming it'd be uncouth of us to be there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Patrick Leary
>> Director BD, North America, Telrad
>> 727.501.3735
>> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG]
>> pmailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com  [this is my
>> corporate address]
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Patrick Leary
>> Director BD, North America, Telrad
>> 727.501.3735
>> patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG]
>> pmailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com  [this is my
>> corporate address]
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Panama style power over ethernet

[Ty Featherling]

This kills the cat5.

-Ty

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Steve D  wrote:

> Wow, I think someone saw one of the portable installer packs powered by a
> drill battery and got it completely wrong!  :O
>
> -Steve D
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke <
> e...@kuhnke-international.com> wrote:
>
>> http://imgur.com/a/7uxHb
>>
>> uhhm, yeah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?

[Ty Featherling]

1mil Watts? Whoa!

-Ty

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>  I read somewhere about lots of intermod issues with the transition to
> DTV a few years back.  Probably more pronounced with the kind of power
> levels they are using on some DTV stations.  I know that at least a couple
> of DTV stations are transmitting at 90 dBm up on Sutro in SF.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/24/2015 6:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>  The inadvertent diode story has been around for a long time.  I think it
> was much more of a problem when you had two broadcasters at a site where
> the difference between their frequencies was on a 2 way FM repeater input
> frequency.  Every active electronic device on the whole site could do the
> same thing.  Remember how everyone used to obsess about intermod products
> at tower sites.  Doesn’t seem to be much of a problem any more.  Or perhaps
> it is but we are all on cell phones now.
>
>  *From:* Bill Prince 
> *Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 5:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
>
>  Oh I know.  Our tower manager at Black Mt. goes semi-ballistic when he
> sees anything on the tower that is not HDG or stainless or silicon-bronze.
> Then tells the story of rusting bolts/nuts/washers turning into diodes in
> the presence of higher-power RF.  I don't know how high the power needs to
> get, but we have seen some interesting side-effects on unshielded cable and
> other unshielded components.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/23/2015 4:04 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Noise can come from most unexpected places. CQ rag had a story on spark
> plug caused noise on motorcycle knocking out a satellite system on bank
> building.   Chucks advise is good
> And that would be my first step
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Feb 23, 2015 3:08 PM, "Peter Kranz"  wrote:
>
>>  Had an AT&T contractor show up at one of our datacenter sites today and
>> claim that one of our radio systems was emitting a carrier at 711Mhz and he
>> pointed at where we have a Dragonwave Compact 18Ghz system and Redline
>> AN-80i 5Ghz system mounted on the building.
>>
>>
>>
>> 711Mhz doesn’t sound like an IF of either of these systems to me, but
>> I’ve got tickets in with the equipment manuf. It looks like they are some 3
>> rd party AT&T has sweeping buildings downtown. Anyone dealt with these
>> guys before? He told me he measured a -87 with his directional antenna 10
>> feet away from the equipment and acted like that was a really big deal,
>> sounds like a pretty low level to me honestly. Anyone know what the legal
>> limits for spurious emissions are in the 700-800Mhz band?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
>> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?

[Ty Featherling]

What happened?

-Ty

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>   EIRP.
> That is a 100 kW transmitter and a 10 dB antenna.
> Don’t fly your plane too close to those.  I did it once.
>
>  *From:* Ty Featherling 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
>
>  1mil Watts? Whoa!
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>>  I read somewhere about lots of intermod issues with the transition to
>> DTV a few years back.  Probably more pronounced with the kind of power
>> levels they are using on some DTV stations.  I know that at least a couple
>> of DTV stations are transmitting at 90 dBm up on Sutro in SF.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>>  On 2/24/2015 6:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>  The inadvertent diode story has been around for a long time.  I think
>> it was much more of a problem when you had two broadcasters at a site where
>> the difference between their frequencies was on a 2 way FM repeater input
>> frequency.  Every active electronic device on the whole site could do the
>> same thing.  Remember how everyone used to obsess about intermod products
>> at tower sites.  Doesn’t seem to be much of a problem any more.  Or perhaps
>> it is but we are all on cell phones now.
>>
>>  *From:* Bill Prince 
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 5:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
>>
>>  Oh I know.  Our tower manager at Black Mt. goes semi-ballistic when he
>> sees anything on the tower that is not HDG or stainless or silicon-bronze.
>> Then tells the story of rusting bolts/nuts/washers turning into diodes in
>> the presence of higher-power RF.  I don't know how high the power needs to
>> get, but we have seen some interesting side-effects on unshielded cable and
>> other unshielded components.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/23/2015 4:04 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Noise can come from most unexpected places. CQ rag had a story on spark
>> plug caused noise on motorcycle knocking out a satellite system on bank
>> building.   Chucks advise is good
>> And that would be my first step
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Feb 23, 2015 3:08 PM, "Peter Kranz"  wrote:
>>
>>>  Had an AT&T contractor show up at one of our datacenter sites today
>>> and claim that one of our radio systems was emitting a carrier at 711Mhz
>>> and he pointed at where we have a Dragonwave Compact 18Ghz system and
>>> Redline AN-80i 5Ghz system mounted on the building.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 711Mhz doesn’t sound like an IF of either of these systems to me, but
>>> I’ve got tickets in with the equipment manuf. It looks like they are some 3
>>> rd party AT&T has sweeping buildings downtown. Anyone dealt with these
>>> guys before? He told me he measured a -87 with his directional antenna 10
>>> feet away from the equipment and acted like that was a really big deal,
>>> sounds like a pretty low level to me honestly. Anyone know what the legal
>>> limits for spurious emissions are in the 700-800Mhz band?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
>>> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?

[Ty Featherling]

Cool. How far from it did you get?

-Ty

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>   All the aircraft radios noised up and became unusable and I was in
> class B airspace at the time flying with a clearance.
>
>  *From:* Ty Featherling 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
>
>  What happened?
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>   EIRP.
>> That is a 100 kW transmitter and a 10 dB antenna.
>> Don’t fly your plane too close to those.  I did it once.
>>
>>  *From:* Ty Featherling 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:23 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
>>
>>  1mil Watts? Whoa!
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I read somewhere about lots of intermod issues with the transition to
>>> DTV a few years back.  Probably more pronounced with the kind of power
>>> levels they are using on some DTV stations.  I know that at least a couple
>>> of DTV stations are transmitting at 90 dBm up on Sutro in SF.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 2/24/2015 6:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>>  The inadvertent diode story has been around for a long time.  I think
>>> it was much more of a problem when you had two broadcasters at a site where
>>> the difference between their frequencies was on a 2 way FM repeater input
>>> frequency.  Every active electronic device on the whole site could do the
>>> same thing.  Remember how everyone used to obsess about intermod products
>>> at tower sites.  Doesn’t seem to be much of a problem any more.  Or perhaps
>>> it is but we are all on cell phones now.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Bill Prince 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 5:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
>>>
>>>  Oh I know.  Our tower manager at Black Mt. goes semi-ballistic when he
>>> sees anything on the tower that is not HDG or stainless or silicon-bronze.
>>> Then tells the story of rusting bolts/nuts/washers turning into diodes in
>>> the presence of higher-power RF.  I don't know how high the power needs to
>>> get, but we have seen some interesting side-effects on unshielded cable and
>>> other unshielded components.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/23/2015 4:04 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> Noise can come from most unexpected places. CQ rag had a story on spark
>>> plug caused noise on motorcycle knocking out a satellite system on bank
>>> building.   Chucks advise is good
>>> And that would be my first step
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> On Feb 23, 2015 3:08 PM, "Peter Kranz"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Had an AT&T contractor show up at one of our datacenter sites today
>>>> and claim that one of our radio systems was emitting a carrier at 711Mhz
>>>> and he pointed at where we have a Dragonwave Compact 18Ghz system and
>>>> Redline AN-80i 5Ghz system mounted on the building.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 711Mhz doesn’t sound like an IF of either of these systems to me, but
>>>> I’ve got tickets in with the equipment manuf. It looks like they are some 3
>>>> rd party AT&T has sweeping buildings downtown. Anyone dealt with these
>>>> guys before? He told me he measured a -87 with his directional antenna 10
>>>> feet away from the equipment and acted like that was a really big deal,
>>>> sounds like a pretty low level to me honestly. Anyone know what the legal
>>>> limits for spurious emissions are in the 700-800Mhz band?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
>>>> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
>>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New Satellite Canopy radio

[Ty Featherling]

Hey, E.T. needs internet too!

-Ty

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Guess winds yesterday got this one.  In background is Ranger Peak.. will
> be installing gear up there Friday
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware

[Ty Featherling]

Yeah XM devices need XM firmware, XW devices need XW. Different hardware.

-Ty

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> No.  Different architecture.
>
> Think compiled for Arm vs x86 Windows.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Mar 4, 2015 11:05 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>>  I thought the XM versus XW was just a hardware thing.  Is it possible to
>> update a device that is on XM with XW?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/4/2015 8:03 AM, Vince West wrote:
>>
>> I am not 100% sure on this, but I have only been loading XM firmware with
>> NSM, Rockets and NanoBridges. For anything newer, like the NanoBeams we
>> have been using the XW firmware.
>>
>>  I have seen pretty decent improvements on throughput in some of my
>> rocket APs since we did these software upgrades. I don't have any
>> PowerBridges in service anymore, so I can't speak for those.
>>
>>  Vince West
>> Tower Hand
>> Technical Support
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 148 Citizens Blvd
>> Simpsonville, KY 40067
>> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that
>>> mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10.  I hadn’t seen the problem
>>> until about a week ago.  Had  PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to
>>> a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on
>>> that end.  It seemed to work great for several months.  A week ago, the AP
>>> at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings.
>>> After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a
>>> PowerBeam.  Problem solved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware
>>> connected to XM Rockets.  No problems so far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti radios with different xm/xw firmware

[Ty Featherling]

Only issue I have had with the new hardware is three cases now of Nanobeam
M2s connected to RocketM2 APs. Once was "too hot" and performed like crap
even when intentionally mis-aligned to reduce signal. The other two were
both connected to a sector and when I switched the sector from 10mhz
channel to 20mhz channel their uplink rate would drop and stick at 1mbps.
This would all but kill the connection. Granted these two were both nLOS
and marginal to begin with but that was weird. Replacing them with NB2G-18s
solved the issue. The first "hot" one was swapped to a NSM2 and solved the
issue. Tried multiple firmware version combinations first.

-Ty

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Going to install our first NanoBeam to NanoBeam link on Friday at seven
> mileslets see how well they work.  on bench they did great.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>>  I know that was some discussion on this and some people said that
>> mixing firmware was a problem, even with 5.5.10.  I hadn’t seen the problem
>> until about a week ago.  Had  PowerBridge talking to a Powerbeam talking to
>> a PowerBridge which then link to a another PTP using NS5’s and an AP on
>> that end.  It seemed to work great for several months.  A week ago, the AP
>> at the end started pushing through 10-20 pings and then dropping 3 pings.
>> After finding nothing, we pull the PowerBridge and replaced it with a
>> PowerBeam.  Problem solved.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, we have a boatload of NS5M’s, some with XW firmware
>> connected to XM Rockets.  No problems so far.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Welcome to the "Af" mailing list

[Ty Featherling]

Good to see you around here.

-Ty

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:28 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Welcome to the "Af" mailing list
>
> Test, I'm back!
>
>
> Respectively,
>
> Rick Harnish
> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
> 260-307-4000 cell
> Skype: rick.harnish.​
> Twitter: @rharnish​
>
>
> 
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