RE: [Chevelle-List] Ignition switch removal for 66
Title: Message Just to add, when you depress the little pin with the paper clip, you have to turn the tumbler assembly to the left (towards accessory position) and then the lock will come out. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:34 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignition switch removal for 66 Hi Dan,Put your key in the ignition and turn to the left. Get a paper clip or something small enough to fit in the little hole on the switch. While you are pushing the paper clip in try to wiggle the key out, the cylinder should pop out.AL
Re: [Chevelle-List] Centerline wheel question
Title: Message Guess I am SOL,then. Maybe I'll call PSE tomorrow and get in their a$$ about being so danged slow. Clint HooperLT5 Registry Director'91 ZR-1 Callaway AerobodyTX TAGS: USA ZR1http://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino ProTourerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm'99 Honda F6 Valkyrie custom - Original Message - From: Dale McIntosh Kyle beat me to it. I searched the Centerline site and I think the Convo Pro replaced your style. Both Centerline and American Racing make a very similar wheel but without the holes - they have phoney "bolt heads" instead. In fact, ARE Outlaw I's are what I had on the Chevelle for a long time and are now on my Elky. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kyle BennettSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Centerline wheel question Clint, if there 14 hole which i think they are if i remember correctly, then they are the Pro Stock Series. 12 hole would be T series or at least T something ( i remember that much). IIRC, they are discontinued.look at the stamping on the face of the wheel, it'll tell you the date of manufacturing. Although, i believe they will run the wheel once they have a large enough order. Good Luck, Kyle - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Centerline wheel question Dale,you have seen the wheel photos of my car. Do you or anyone else know what Centerline wheel my car is equipped with? I've been kicking the idea around about buying a pair like them in 15x6 or 15x7 sizes,then installing a little larger tire on them. My PS Engineering wheels are taking forever to build and I'm starting to like the car's slammed ProStreet look more & more. Might just wait till I can accumulate all my new parts before tearing it all apart later this year. Just don't really like the 15x4 look on front. Clint HooperLT5 Registry Director'91 ZR-1 Callaway AerobodyTX TAGS: USA ZR1http://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino ProTourerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm'99 Honda F6 Valkyrie custom
RE: [Chevelle-List] Centerline wheel question
Title: Message Kyle beat me to it. I searched the Centerline site and I think the Convo Pro replaced your style. Both Centerline and American Racing make a very similar wheel but without the holes - they have phoney "bolt heads" instead. In fact, ARE Outlaw I's are what I had on the Chevelle for a long time and are now on my Elky. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kyle BennettSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:43 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Centerline wheel question Clint, if there 14 hole which i think they are if i remember correctly, then they are the Pro Stock Series. 12 hole would be T series or at least T something ( i remember that much). IIRC, they are discontinued.look at the stamping on the face of the wheel, it'll tell you the date of manufacturing. Although, i believe they will run the wheel once they have a large enough order. Good Luck, Kyle - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Centerline wheel question Dale,you have seen the wheel photos of my car. Do you or anyone else know what Centerline wheel my car is equipped with? I've been kicking the idea around about buying a pair like them in 15x6 or 15x7 sizes,then installing a little larger tire on them. My PS Engineering wheels are taking forever to build and I'm starting to like the car's slammed ProStreet look more & more. Might just wait till I can accumulate all my new parts before tearing it all apart later this year. Just don't really like the 15x4 look on front. Clint HooperLT5 Registry Director'91 ZR-1 Callaway AerobodyTX TAGS: USA ZR1http://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino ProTourerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm'99 Honda F6 Valkyrie custom
Re: [Chevelle-List] Question about El Camino Rear Suspension
Thanks to all for the information regarding the El Camino rear suspension braces. I now know why mine didn't have them, but will probably add them. Thanks again, Gene > Gene, > The F40 and F41 suspension package had a frame brace that went from > the front bolt of the lower control arm to the front bolt of the upper > in front of the rear crossmember. I have driven chevelles with and > without them and have noticed no difference but I'm not real rough with > them in the corners. They aren't reproduced for the 68-72 Chevelles but > I see them on E-bay all the time (usually way over priced) > > Trooper > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I have a 71 Elky that I want to add boxed control arms and a rear sway bar to > > improve handling. My questions are around the tubular brace (Edelbrock in > this > > case) that runs from the lower to the upper control arms for support. Some of > > the materials that I have read talk about replacing a current thin piece of > > metal which I don't seem to have on my 71. Was some form of brace standard on > > 71's and is the brace necessary or worth the money to add or upgrade? > > > > Thanks, > > Gene > > > > - > > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Centerline wheel question
Title: GM Strike That figures. So much for that idea,I guess. Clint HooperLT5 Registry Director'91 ZR-1 Callaway AerobodyTX TAGS: USA ZR1http://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino ProTourerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm'99 Honda F6 Valkyrie custom - Original Message - From: Kyle Bennett Clint, if there 14 hole which i think they are if i remember correctly, then they are the Pro Stock Series. 12 hole would be T series or at least T something ( i remember that much). IIRC, they are discontinued.look at the stamping on the face of the wheel, it'll tell you the date of manufacturing. Although, i believe they will run the wheel once they have a large enough order. Good Luck, Kyle - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper Dale,you have seen the wheel photos of my car. Do you or anyone else know what Centerline wheel my car is equipped with? I've been kicking the idea around about buying a pair like them in 15x6 or 15x7 sizes,then installing a little larger tire on them. My PS Engineering wheels are taking forever to build and I'm starting to like the car's slammed ProStreet look more & more. Might just wait till I can accumulate all my new parts before tearing it all apart later this year. Just don't really like the 15x4 look on front. Clint HooperLT5 Registry Director'91 ZR-1 Callaway AerobodyTX TAGS: USA ZR1http://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino ProTourerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm'99 Honda F6 Valkyrie custom
Re: [Chevelle-List] Centerline wheel question
Title: GM Strike Clint, if there 14 hole which i think they are if i remember correctly, then they are the Pro Stock Series. 12 hole would be T series or at least T something ( i remember that much). IIRC, they are discontinued.look at the stamping on the face of the wheel, it'll tell you the date of manufacturing. Although, i believe they will run the wheel once they have a large enough order. Good Luck, Kyle - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:29 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Centerline wheel question Dale,you have seen the wheel photos of my car. Do you or anyone else know what Centerline wheel my car is equipped with? I've been kicking the idea around about buying a pair like them in 15x6 or 15x7 sizes,then installing a little larger tire on them. My PS Engineering wheels are taking forever to build and I'm starting to like the car's slammed ProStreet look more & more. Might just wait till I can accumulate all my new parts before tearing it all apart later this year. Just don't really like the 15x4 look on front. Clint HooperLT5 Registry Director'91 ZR-1 Callaway AerobodyTX TAGS: USA ZR1http://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino ProTourerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm'99 Honda F6 Valkyrie custom
[Chevelle-List] Centerline wheel question
Title: GM Strike Dale,you have seen the wheel photos of my car. Do you or anyone else know what Centerline wheel my car is equipped with? I've been kicking the idea around about buying a pair like them in 15x6 or 15x7 sizes,then installing a little larger tire on them. My PS Engineering wheels are taking forever to build and I'm starting to like the car's slammed ProStreet look more & more. Might just wait till I can accumulate all my new parts before tearing it all apart later this year. Just don't really like the 15x4 look on front. Clint HooperLT5 Registry Director'91 ZR-1 Callaway AerobodyTX TAGS: USA ZR1http://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino ProTourerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm'99 Honda F6 Valkyrie custom
[Chevelle-List] GM Strike
Title: GM Strike Anyone know when the GM strike was for the 69 or 70 model year? I have a 70 P-O-P that have the engine and rear axle coded to October (20 and 17), the transmission in January (27) , and a build month of March. Five and three months seems like an unusually long time between parts and final assembly. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles
RE: [Chevelle-List] Bill: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up=response to Bill and more input needed
Title: Message What I would guess they might do is duplicate the flanges that bolt the radiator to the support on the engine side of the radiator as well. As long as you don't have the filler cap to one extreme side (like I did - http://www.dalesplace.com/images/chevelle/p001472.jpg), it would give you space to mount the fans assuming the height fit between the upper and lower hose bungs. My question would be where are they going to route the transmission cooling lines. They'd almost have to be out the side of the tank instead of the engine side as normal since the fan assembly would block the trans cooler. It gets curiouser and curiouser Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Bill: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up=response to Bill and more input needed Bill: You wrote this regarding mounting of two Spal 11 inch fans on PRC aluminum radiator.I have a direct contact with a guy at PRC who has asked me to send the diagram sketches. He told me they would mount the Spal fans not on the core but on the tanks or "rails". Therefore, it may fit. He does not recommend mounting on the radiator core. But, I will write back when I receive the response. I could be off the mark. Peace, Big Ken Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
[Chevelle-List] Thanks Dave= Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Dave: I appreciate your response. My confusion is more on the lines of having all the facts prior to ordering a PRC aluminum radiator. If the measurements work out, the PRC factory would fit and mount the twin Spal fans on the radiator. Therefore, I needed input prior to ordering. I could go either way, but if your going to have a custom order you should know ahead of time what your going to order. I just talked with a Radiator Shop guy today, and he recommended electric fans. He said he went electric on his 73 Chevy. He said you dont need a mechanical fan running all the time, especially at cruising/highway speed. But, someone else has a different opinion. I will take all the facts and decide. But, I appreciate all comments here. That is what it is all about, sharing opinions and info. I agree with everything else you stated. Cheers, Big Ken Dave Studly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 406 in my '70 runs fine with just a single electric fan from a late-80s Buick LeSabre. I don't have A/C, but even on humid 90 degree days (which doesnt seem possible after snow blowing my driveway today!) it doesn't go over 200 in traffic. I'm in Ohio, not Arizona. I've never left my car idling for 15+ minutes to test it, but I've never had an overheating problem while driving the car either. The aftermarket electric fans are rather pricey, IMO. I think I paid $25 for my fan. Whether you buy aftermarket units or junkyard units, you're still going to have to make some mounting brackets. I made mine from small (3/4 or 1" wide) aluminum that I got at the hardware store. I bent them with my vice and bolted them to the piece that goes over the top of the radiator. After painting them black, it's a clean looking installation. The most important thing is to keep the fans mounted close enough to the radiator so that they are properly shrouded, otherwise they won't pull the air through the radiator-- the air will otherwise just flow through the gap between the fan and the radiator. Proper shrouding is important for either setup. For what it's worth, I mounted my fan offset to the driver's side. I would recommend using a relay to power the fan(s). With twin 11" electrics, I'm fairly certain you could safely eliminate the clutch fan. You'll need some shorter studs or bolts (or spacers) for the water pump pulley if you decide to eliminate the clutch fan. You originally asked which was better: it depends what you want. My Chevelle uses an electric fan because a) it had no shroud for the clutch fan when I bought it b) It's handy for drag racing (to cool down between runs) and c) I like the cleaner look without the big fan/shroud. My El Camino uses the stock clutch fan for the simple reason that it was on the car and it works fine for a mostly stock driver (350). In the book about swapping a V8 into an S-10 by JTR, they stress that clutch fans are more efficient and more desirable, given the choice. As for most modern cars having electric fans, it's for the simple reason that most engines are mounted transversly and therefore no place to really run a mechanical fan. They do allow for better engine compartment packaging on RWD cars, especially when you have a low hood line. .-Dave -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:52 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Duh: I meant puller fans, i.e., twin spal 11 inch fans mounted inside the engine bay and on the inside of the radiator, not on the outside. With this set up you would eliminate the clutch fan. You would have two spal fans with built in shrouds. This should fit in the 67 Chevelle Malibu, right ? Thanks, Ken Dale McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ken, Did you say pusher fans? Pushers are about 70% as efficient as pullers reducing the 2780cfm flow to under 2000cfm. They'll also block a lot of the incoming air even at speed when they're turned off. In addition, the opening in the radiator support might not fit the two dual 11" fans. Spal's tech sheet says their dual setup is 23.5". Another thing to watch for is the room between the fans and the splash pan and those motors are 4.25" deep - I don't thing there is room to fit them with some cutting behind the grille. I'd really suggest a puller setup. The small block (assuming short pump) should have tons of room on the engine side. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dales Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Dale: Thanks for your comments. There is a lot of confusion on which way to go. Hence, my questions. My understanding is that two Spal 11 inch fans with built in fan shrou
[Chevelle-List] Paging Chuck Hanson
Title: Re: [Chevelle-List]PAINT CODE QUESTION. Chuck,could you email me offline? Sorry for the spam,folks. Clint HooperLT5 Registry Director'91 ZR-1 Callaway AerobodyTX TAGS: USA ZR1http://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino ProTourerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm'99 Honda F6 Valkyrie custom
Re: [Chevelle-List]PAINT CODE QUESTION.
Title: Re: [Chevelle-List]PAINT CODE QUESTION. on 1/29/03 7:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE COLOR OR THE PAINT CODE NUMBER OF THE 70 CHEVELLE THAT WAS IN THE MAY/JUNE 2002 ACES MAG. GREEN WITH ENVY. THE 70 COLOR CHART DOESN'T SHOW A MIST GREEN. THANKS JERRY 72 WAGON The correct color is Green Mist, Jerry. Sorry about that... I have to rely on the info provided by the owner for the articles. Code # is 45. HTH. Chuck
[Chevelle-List] Bill: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up=response to Bill and more input needed
Bill: You wrote this regarding mounting of two Spal 11 inch fans on PRC aluminum radiator.I have a direct contact with a guy at PRC who has asked me to send the diagram sketches. He told me they would mount the Spal fans not on the core but on the tanks or "rails". Therefore, it may fit. He does not recommend mounting on the radiator core. But, I will write back when I receive the response. I could be off the mark. Peace, Big KenDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [Chevelle-List]PAINT CODE QUESTION.
That is Rich Recupero's car. The color code is 45, which is Medium Green Metallic, aka Green Mist. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List]PAINT CODE QUESTION.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE COLOR OR THE PAINT CODE NUMBER OF THE 70 CHEVELLE THAT WAS IN THE MAY/JUNE 2002 ACES MAG. GREEN WITH ENVY. THE 70 COLOR CHART DOESN'T SHOW A MIST GREEN. THANKS JERRY 72 WAGON
Re: [Chevelle-List] El Camino Rear Suspension
I purchased my 70 El Camino Custom in 69 and added SS package. It came with braces and rear sway bar. Built in Van Nuys, California. Leo - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignition switch removal for 66
Hi Dan, Put your key in the ignition and turn to the left. Get a paper clip or something small enough to fit in the little hole on the switch. While you are pushing the paper clip in try to wiggle the key out, the cylinder should pop out. AL
RE: [Chevelle-List] Question about El Camino Rear Suspension
Don't know about 71's but for 70, the F41 was only availble on 13637-67 models while the F40 was availble on anything but a wagon. Sounds like Larry may have a valid point, exclamations and all. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Question about El Camino Rear Suspension > > > El Camino's were not available with the F-41 suspension. > Buildout manuals and documentation says they none were > produced!! You can add the system, but no line installed it > at the factory!! > > Larry! > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Question about El Camino Rear Suspension
I bought a 70 EC SS out of a junkyard. It had those braces from the factory. The Chevelles equppied with the F-41 suspension had the braces along with the boxed arms. Tom
RE: [Chevelle-List] Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
The 406 in my '70 runs fine with just a single electric fan from a late-80s Buick LeSabre. I don't have A/C, but even on humid 90 degree days (which doesnt seem possible after snow blowing my driveway today!) it doesn't go over 200 in traffic. I'm in Ohio, not Arizona. I've never left my car idling for 15+ minutes to test it, but I've never had an overheating problem while driving the car either. The aftermarket electric fans are rather pricey, IMO. I think I paid $25 for my fan. Whether you buy aftermarket units or junkyard units, you're still going to have to make some mounting brackets. I made mine from small (3/4 or 1" wide) aluminum that I got at the hardware store. I bent them with my vice and bolted them to the piece that goes over the top of the radiator. After painting them black, it's a clean looking installation. The most important thing is to keep the fans mounted close enough to the radiator so that they are properly shrouded, otherwise they won't pull the air through the radiator-- the air will otherwise just flow through the gap between the fan and the radiator. Proper shrouding is important for either setup. For what it's worth, I mounted my fan offset to the driver's side. I would recommend using a relay to power the fan(s). With twin 11" electrics, I'm fairly certain you could safely eliminate the clutch fan. You'll need some shorter studs or bolts (or spacers) for the water pump pulley if you decide to eliminate the clutch fan. You originally asked which was better: it depends what you want. My Chevelle uses an electric fan because a) it had no shroud for the clutch fan when I bought it b) It's handy for drag racing (to cool down between runs) and c) I like the cleaner look without the big fan/shroud. My El Camino uses the stock clutch fan for the simple reason that it was on the car and it works fine for a mostly stock driver (350). In the book about swapping a V8 into an S-10 by JTR, they stress that clutch fans are more efficient and more desirable, given the choice. As for most modern cars having electric fans, it's for the simple reason that most engines are mounted transversly and therefore no place to really run a mechanical fan. They do allow for better engine compartment packaging on RWD cars, especially when you have a low hood line. .-Dave -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:52 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Duh: I meant puller fans, i.e., twin spal 11 inch fans mounted inside the engine bay and on the inside of the radiator, not on the outside. With this set up you would eliminate the clutch fan. You would have two spal fans with built in shrouds. This should fit in the 67 Chevelle Malibu, right ? Thanks, Ken Dale McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ken, Did you say pusher fans? Pushers are about 70% as efficient as pullers reducing the 2780cfm flow to under 2000cfm. They'll also block a lot of the incoming air even at speed when they're turned off. In addition, the opening in the radiator support might not fit the two dual 11" fans. Spal's tech sheet says their dual setup is 23.5". Another thing to watch for is the room between the fans and the splash pan and those motors are 4.25" deep - I don't thing there is room to fit them with some cutting behind the grille. I'd really suggest a puller setup. The small block (assuming short pump) should have tons of room on the engine side. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dales Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Dale: Thanks for your comments. There is a lot of confusion on which way to go. Hence, my questions. My understanding is that two Spal 11 inch fans with built in fan shrouds and acting as pushers will either outperform or equal a traditional mechanical clutch fan set up. Apparently, the Spal fans would be set up that they come on at idle or when the temps rise. Then at cruising speeds, the fans would be off. This would be controlled by a thermal switch with a relay. The issue for me is trying to decide which way to go prior to ordering the set up. This is why I was asking for inputs. When you look at modern cars today, seems all have gone the route of electric fans. Does that say anything ? Dunno, just curious prior to investing in a custom aluminum radiator set up.
RE: [Chevelle-List] Question about El Camino Rear Suspension
El Camino's were not available with the F-41 suspension. Buildout manuals and documentation says they none were produced!! You can add the system, but no line installed it at the factory!! Larry! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Question about El Camino Rear Suspension I thought all El Caminos had those. I know they are part of the F-41 Suspension on big block cars. I custom made a beefier set for my 70. They add stability to the suspension. I personnaly would put them on for a performance application. Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up=response to Bill and more input needed
Title: Message Bill, I agree that a single 16" Spal fan would probably be more than up to the cooling task with the PRC radiator. The advantage to the single fan is the motor is only 3.39" deep where the dual 11" are 4.25". Disadvantage is the motor is in the center (in line with the water pump pulley) as opposed to being offset from center. Another option would be to mount a pair of 10" fans individually. Each are 10.6" wide (21.2" total), 11.26" high on the mounting hole centerlines, and the fan motor is 3.7" deep. A single is rated at 1070cfm so that would still give 2140cfm total and would give offset motors if clearance is a problem. If anyone is interested, I have Spal spec sheets for 9", 10", 11", 12", 13", 14", and 16" fans in Adobe .PDF format and are downloadable from the Spal web site (http://www.spal-usa.com/). I'd be happy to email offline to anyone who wants a particular size or sizes. File sizes are: 9" = 84Kb 10" = 472kb 11" = 179Kb 12" = 213Kb 13" = 164Kb 14" = 232Kb 16" = 250kb Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles You haven't said what climate you're in, but my guess is that the 2360 CFM 16" Spal is more than enough, especially with a high performance water pump. If not, you probably have another problem. Enjoy, Bill BruynGilbert, AZ USA
Re: [Chevelle-List] More firewwall ?
Ya, there's a big on in Cleveland... Angle iron, round, flat, sheet.. Mild, stainless, aluminum, brass, copper So far they've had everything I've needed...or got it for me the same day. They rock... Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS www.alloldchevy.com - Original Message - From: "Trooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] More firewwall ? > Do they actually have Metal Superstores, Dan? If so, I am green with > envy, living here in the middle of nowhere (southern Illinois) > > Trooper > > Dan McIntosh wrote: > > > > polished aluminum sheet metal. > > get it from an industrial supply house > > is there a Metals Superstore by you, they have really great prices on stuff. > > > > Dan McIntosh > > 64 Impala SS > > www.alloldchevy.com > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "J. Brady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] More firewwall ? > > > > > Speaking of firewall, can someone tell me what people > > > use to make it look like chrome/reflective? Is it > > > polished aluminum? clear coated steel? Also, where > > > can I buy it from? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jim > > > '66 Malibu > > > > > > > > > --- Dave Corgill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > At 10:12 AM 01/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Thanks for the help on the fire wall insulation > > > > question. I think I'll go > > > > >with dynamat or equivalant. > > > > > I have anougther delema here goes > > > > >(how do you remmove the iginiton switch tumbler(key > > > > part) from the switch? > > > > >66 chevelle > > > > >I know I seen the answer to this before but can't > > > > find it now. > > > > >Thanks again, > > > > >Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > > > D.C. - There should be a small hole in the face of > > > > the switch, Insert a > > > > paper clip and with the key in the acc. position, > > > > push the paper clip in. > > > > This will release the lock cylinder from the > > > > ignition switch. The you can > > > > screw off the bezel which holds the ignition switch > > > > into the dash. > > > > G.M. - Same as above, except after you push the > > > > paper clip in, and while > > > > you have it pushed in, rotate the key further > > > > counter clockwise to release > > > > the cylinder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > To Unsubscribe please visit > > > > www.chevelles.net/list.html > > > > To start a new topic, send mail to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > > > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Title: Message That's kind of what I thought, pullers. With a standard short pump (and maybe even a long pump) with a small block should be no problems with clearance. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:52 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Duh: I meant puller fans, i.e., twin spal 11 inch fans mounted inside the engine bay and on the inside of the radiator, not on the outside. With this set up you would eliminate the clutch fan. You would have two spal fans with built in shrouds. This should fit in the 67 Chevelle Malibu, right ? Thanks, Ken Dale McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ken, Did you say pusher fans? Pushers are about 70% as efficient as pullers reducing the 2780cfm flow to under 2000cfm. They'll also block a lot of the incoming air even at speed when they're turned off. In addition, the opening in the radiator support might not fit the two dual 11" fans. Spal's tech sheet says their dual setup is 23.5". Another thing to watch for is the room between the fans and the splash pan and those motors are 4.25" deep - I don't thing there is room to fit them with some cutting behind the grille. I'd really suggest a puller setup. The small block (assuming short pump) should have tons of room on the engine side. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Dale: Thanks for your comments. There is a lot of confusion on which way to go. Hence, my questions. My understanding is that two Spal 11 inch fans with built in fan shrouds and acting as pushers will either outperform or equal a traditional mechanical clutch fan set up. Apparently, the Spal fans would be set up that they come on at idle or when the temps rise. Then at cruising speeds, the fans would be off. This would be controlled by a thermal switch with a relay. The issue for me is trying to decide which way to go prior to ordering the set up. This is why I was asking for inputs. When you look at modern cars today, seems all have gone the route of electric fans. Does that say anything ? Dunno, just curious prior to investing in a custom aluminum radiator set up. Thanks again, Ken McDee Dale McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you have the room for a puller fan (or even a pusher if it's just an auxiliary backup) AND the normal fan, I'd think that's the route to go. As Rich said, the electric fans for low speed cruising/traffic only when there's almost no airflow. There's been a few threads on this very subject at Team Chevelle and the concensus is that over 35-40 mph, there's enough airflow through the radiator to cool it anyway and at some point (like 70-80 range) the electric fans are actually a hinderance as there's more air coming through the radiator than the fans can pull, effectively blocking the airflow. Some fan setups have small flaps in their shrouding that will open to allow more surface for the air to flow through. Much depends on how good an airflow you have through your radiator now. Remember that newer cars usually have the radiator at quite an angle and almost no airflow from the outside. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up I am trying to determine if: a. I should go with one or the other. b. Clutch fan set up, shroud, electric puller fan. Thanks, Ken McDee Richard Milkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I went with both on my Nova. In traffic or on a slow cruise I switched the electric fan on to keep things cool. Driving at normal speeds I would shut
Re: [Chevelle-List] Purchase help
Believe me, I know what you mean, but just try and find one. The 71-72 small block convertibles are just not out there. (I used to have a 71) The few that are on line are well into the 20k's. And to find one with some kind of documentation is even more difficult. I've been seriously looking for over 2 years. So, any help is appreciated. In a message dated 1/29/2003 8:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > My opinion also. > Don > > > if it were my money, I'd wait for something better. For $16,500 the car had > pretty much be in great shape, regardless if it is a SS or not. From what > you describe (rust, interior, mechanical, etc) half that amount sounds too > high to me. > > There are alot of nice cars you can find in the $16,500 range, not to > mention what you could do with the $20,150 (if not more by > the time you try > to make it "right") you'd have invested in this one. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Purchase help
Dan, they look nice, but I am specifically looking for a 71 SS Convertible. Have you seen any? Thanks, Mark In a message dated 1/29/2003 6:23:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2401042851&cat > egory=6164 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2401202451&cat > egory=6164 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ite > m=2400826773&cat > egory=6164 > > these look nice > > Dan McIntosh - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Question about El Camino Rear Suspension
I thought all El Caminos had those. I know they are part of the F-41 Suspension on big block cars. I custom made a beefier set for my 70. They add stability to the suspension. I personnaly would put them on for a performance application. Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up=response to Bill and more input needed
Well, it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, nor will it be the last. Still, I don't think I am in this case. As I mentioned in my first reply, I have just gone through this. On a SBC 67 Malibu. With a PRC aluminum crossflow. Including an AT cooler. With plans for an electric fan. I did my homework before I ordered my parts, just as you are doing now. In fact, Dale was kind enough to reply offline to a post of mine regarding the radiator. BTW, thanks again to Dale for that. If you're interested, here's what I learned. The overall width of the radiator (26" in your case, if I'm not mistaken) includes the tanks, which are installed on the sides of a crossflow radiator like the one you say you're looking at. The width of the core on a 26" radiator is 22.5". The dual 11" Spals are 23.46" wide, as Dale points out in his reply below. You cannot mount those fans on that radiator because of interference from the tanks on either side. Go ahead and ask PRC to build you one like that and let us know what they say. Again, you'd need a 31" radiator with a 27.5" core to mount those - and that's not going to fit in your 67 Malibu. You indicated that you're still confused on whether you should go with an electric or mechanical fan, though you didn't say specifically what confused you. Again, the mechanical fan will never outperform a quality electric fan at low RPMs, but the mechanical setup works for a lot of people. If it works for you, go for it. Be advised that although PRC will provide you with the materials, you'll need to fabricate your own mounts for the shroud. And the fan may be too far away from the radiator to work effectively anyway, as you could end up with too much space between the fan and radiator after removing the shroud extension (assuming yours is equipped with one.) IMO, the only reasons to go with a mechanical fan are 1) cost, and 2) wiring / increased current flow. Some will argue that the mechanical fan is more reliable, but I don't necessarily agree with that. WRT the setup of your electric fan, you could wire it to be switched on and off manually, to run all the time, or to run only in a given temperature range. Engine RPM itself has nothing to do with it. I'm going with a 185* - 200* sensor. You haven't said what climate you're in, but my guess is that the 2360 CFM 16" Spal is more than enough, especially with a high performance water pump. If not, you probably have another problem. Enjoy, Bill BruynGilbert, AZ USA 1967 Malibu daily driver.030 over 327; 750 cfm Q-Jet; Performer RPM; GM HEI; TH-2004R, 2200 stall; 10 bolt open 3.08 - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:24 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up=response to Bill and more input needed Bill: I think, respectfully, you may be off in your assumptions. I am looking at a PRC aluminum radiator set up. Now, I can go with either a clutch set up or have a dual Spal electric fan set up. The dilemma is that I need information prior to moving forward. Why ? If I order the PRC radiator and go with electrical fan set up, I can order the radiator made with an internal automatic trans cooler, and the Spal Electric fans will be attached to the radiator by PRC, along with built in shrouds. So, it will be a custom made set up. And, it will fit and work. Now, I have had a PRC aluminum radiator made last summer for my 67 Chevelle SS. I went with a clutch fan set up since I wanted the 67 SS to have an original look since it is a numbers matching vehicle. I painted the rails radiator black to have it look original. The PRC radiator keeps the temps much lower. I kept the old radiator for resale if I ever sell the Chevelle. In contrast, I am not concerned with the 67 Chevelle Malibu being original looking since it has a 383 stroker and other mods. So, I am asking inputs on whether a fan set up vs. clutch fan set up is the way to go. My only question is on the set up. I have talked with others who advise that the electric fans will work at idle and kick off at cruise speeds when the temperature comes down. Therefore, the two electric fans would be working at idle and probably have enough CFMs to cool at idle. I have already decided to upgrade the alternator to either 100 or 138 amps. Again, I need other comments from Chevelle or other car owners who have gone with the electric fan set up. Are you happy or wish you did not go to this set up and stayed with the traditional clutch fan or flex fan/shroud set up. Thanks again, Ken McDee Dale McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bill, Looking at the dual 11" Spal fan spec sheet and it has the overall width of the unit at 23.46" and the mounting holes are inside that
Re: [Chevelle-List] His and Her's '66's in Super Chevy
Yet another possibility! - Original Message - From: "J.J. Fig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] His and Her's '66's in Super Chevy > Or a nice blown 66 vette? :) > > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] More firewwall ?
Do they actually have Metal Superstores, Dan? If so, I am green with envy, living here in the middle of nowhere (southern Illinois) Trooper Dan McIntosh wrote: > > polished aluminum sheet metal. > get it from an industrial supply house > is there a Metals Superstore by you, they have really great prices on stuff. > > Dan McIntosh > 64 Impala SS > www.alloldchevy.com > > - Original Message - > From: "J. Brady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] More firewwall ? > > > Speaking of firewall, can someone tell me what people > > use to make it look like chrome/reflective? Is it > > polished aluminum? clear coated steel? Also, where > > can I buy it from? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > > '66 Malibu > > > > > > --- Dave Corgill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > At 10:12 AM 01/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Thanks for the help on the fire wall insulation > > > question. I think I'll go > > > >with dynamat or equivalant. > > > > I have anougther delema here goes > > > >(how do you remmove the iginiton switch tumbler(key > > > part) from the switch? > > > >66 chevelle > > > >I know I seen the answer to this before but can't > > > find it now. > > > >Thanks again, > > > >Dan > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > D.C. - There should be a small hole in the face of > > > the switch, Insert a > > > paper clip and with the key in the acc. position, > > > push the paper clip in. > > > This will release the lock cylinder from the > > > ignition switch. The you can > > > screw off the bezel which holds the ignition switch > > > into the dash. > > > G.M. - Same as above, except after you push the > > > paper clip in, and while > > > you have it pushed in, rotate the key further > > > counter clockwise to release > > > the cylinder. > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To Unsubscribe please visit > > > www.chevelles.net/list.html > > > To start a new topic, send mail to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > - > > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Question about El Camino Rear Suspension
Gene, The F40 and F41 suspension package had a frame brace that went from the front bolt of the lower control arm to the front bolt of the upper in front of the rear crossmember. I have driven chevelles with and without them and have noticed no difference but I'm not real rough with them in the corners. They aren't reproduced for the 68-72 Chevelles but I see them on E-bay all the time (usually way over priced) Trooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I have a 71 Elky that I want to add boxed control arms and a rear sway bar to > improve handling. My questions are around the tubular brace (Edelbrock in this > case) that runs from the lower to the upper control arms for support. Some of > the materials that I have read talk about replacing a current thin piece of > metal which I don't seem to have on my 71. Was some form of brace standard on > 71's and is the brace necessary or worth the money to add or upgrade? > > Thanks, > Gene > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] More firewwall ?
polished aluminum sheet metal. get it from an industrial supply house is there a Metals Superstore by you, they have really great prices on stuff. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS www.alloldchevy.com - Original Message - From: "J. Brady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] More firewwall ? > Speaking of firewall, can someone tell me what people > use to make it look like chrome/reflective? Is it > polished aluminum? clear coated steel? Also, where > can I buy it from? > > Thanks, > > Jim > '66 Malibu > > > --- Dave Corgill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 10:12 AM 01/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >Thanks for the help on the fire wall insulation > > question. I think I'll go > > >with dynamat or equivalant. > > > I have anougther delema here goes > > >(how do you remmove the iginiton switch tumbler(key > > part) from the switch? > > >66 chevelle > > >I know I seen the answer to this before but can't > > find it now. > > >Thanks again, > > >Dan > > > > > > >- > > > > D.C. - There should be a small hole in the face of > > the switch, Insert a > > paper clip and with the key in the acc. position, > > push the paper clip in. > > This will release the lock cylinder from the > > ignition switch. The you can > > screw off the bezel which holds the ignition switch > > into the dash. > > G.M. - Same as above, except after you push the > > paper clip in, and while > > you have it pushed in, rotate the key further > > counter clockwise to release > > the cylinder. > > > > > > > - > > To Unsubscribe please visit > > www.chevelles.net/list.html > > To start a new topic, send mail to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Question about El Camino Rear Suspension
I have a 71 Elky that I want to add boxed control arms and a rear sway bar to improve handling. My questions are around the tubular brace (Edelbrock in this case) that runs from the lower to the upper control arms for support. Some of the materials that I have read talk about replacing a current thin piece of metal which I don't seem to have on my 71. Was some form of brace standard on 71's and is the brace necessary or worth the money to add or upgrade? Thanks, Gene - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] 402 QUESTIONS
HI i have a 402 that I took apart, all the intake push rods are bent, but none of the exhaust, any ideas what would cause this?? the valves look fine (haven't kissed the pistons) and the rest of the engine looks ok except it was pretty sludged up. thanks ! H - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] ENGINE I.D. PLEASE
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Re: [Chevelle-List] ENGINE I.D. PLEASE
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Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch ...
Most new cars have to use electrics, because they have transverse mounted engines. I run a mechanical becuase its simple and reliable, but my engine is pretty tame due to lack of funds. The other guys on the list have a lot more experience with powerful (hot) engines. Rob --- message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] attached: _ ProPilots Network Email - http://webmail.propilots.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag --- Begin Message --- In a message dated 1/29/03 7:10:53 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Just my 2 cents worth.. Since you are crusin you will be spending some time at stop lights ect..I would go with the electric set up..or both with a thin push fan that you can turn on and off. Temp is up click on..I used this combo on my Nova SS and plan on doing same with my El Camino. Once I went to ele. never had a problem with overheating or should I say cooling it back down. Might want to think of running a oil cooler also. You really don't end up spending as much as you think when compared to what you got invested. ..Just my humble opinion Bill A 67 El Camino 66 El Camino 66 Nova SS 78 Silver Annv. Corvette --- End Message ---
[Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Duh: I meant puller fans, i.e., twin spal 11 inch fans mounted inside the engine bay and on the inside of the radiator, not on the outside. With this set up you would eliminate the clutch fan. You would have two spal fans with built in shrouds. This should fit in the 67 Chevelle Malibu, right ? Thanks, Ken Dale McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ken, Did you say pusher fans? Pushers are about 70% as efficient as pullers reducing the 2780cfm flow to under 2000cfm. They'll also block a lot of the incoming air even at speed when they're turned off. In addition, the opening in the radiator support might not fit the two dual 11" fans. Spal's tech sheet says their dual setup is 23.5". Another thing to watch for is the room between the fans and the splash pan and those motors are 4.25" deep - I don't thing there is room to fit them with some cutting behind the grille. I'd really suggest a puller setup. The small block (assuming short pump) should have tons of room on the engine side. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dales Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Dale: Thanks for your comments. There is a lot of confusion on which way to go. Hence, my questions. My understanding is that two Spal 11 inch fans with built in fan shrouds and acting as pushers will either outperform or equal a traditional mechanical clutch fan set up. Apparently, the Spal fans would be set up that they come on at idle or when the temps rise. Then at cruising speeds, the fans would be off. This would be controlled by a thermal switch with a relay. The issue for me is trying to decide which way to go prior to ordering the set up. This is why I was asking for inputs. When you look at modern cars today, seems all have gone the route of electric fans. Does that say anything ? Dunno, just curious prior to investing in a custom aluminum radiator set up. Thanks again, Ken McDee Dale McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you have the room for a puller fan (or even a pusher if it's just an auxiliary backup) AND the normal fan, I'd think that's the route to go. As Rich said, the electric fans for low speed cruising/traffic only when there's almost no airflow. There's been a few threads on this very subject at Team Chevelle and the concensus is that over 35-40 mph, there's enough airflow through the radiator to cool it anyway and at some point (like 70-80 range) the electric fans are actually a hinderance as there's more air coming through the radiator than the fans can pull, effectively blocking the airflow. Some fan setups have small flaps in their shrouding that will open to allow more surface for the air to flow through. Much depends on how good an airflow you have through your radiator now. Remember that newer cars usually have the radiator at quite an angle and almost no airflow from the outside. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dales Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up I am trying to determine if: a. I should go with one or the other. b. Clutch fan set up, shroud, electric puller fan. Thanks, Ken McDee Richard Milkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I went with both on my Nova. In traffic or on a slow cruise I switched the electric fan on to keep things cool. Driving at normal speeds I would shut it off. Worked great. I learned this lesson at the Woodward cruise when I kept boiling over. It's not easy to get water when your surrounded by a million people. Rich"66 MalibuACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up nowDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
RE: [Chevelle-List] firewall insulation
Most of the insulation is jute, but the firewall and dash insulation also have a rubber backing on them. John Nasta -Original Message- I work at a carpet place and we have the stuff by the role. We call it jute. I can get it 1/4" and 1/2" thick and about 5' wide. It is nice to add it the car for a quit ride. Dave Ingersoll,Ontario My web site: http://members.tripod.com/benj30/
RE: [Chevelle-List] Flowmasters without headers on a small block
Title: Flowmasters without headers on a small block I'm going to be running 50 series w/ stock x-mans, but first I have to get the car out of the body shop. The guys at Flowmaster told me that the 50s would be great on a small block. Mine is a 283. John Nasta -Original Message- Anyone run Flowmasters on a small block without headers? I'm preparing to remove the (brand unknown) headers from the 67 327/275 Elky and return to factory manifolds and would like a bit of sound. I'm getting tired of removing the alternator and dropping the header just to change two of the plugs. My SS big block has headers and Flowmasters (50 series I believe) but I don't expect or want the Elky to sound like the SS (well….) but would like a nice noticable mellow sound. Any suggestions on a series? Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles
[Chevelle-List] Carb Float Question
Hey gang, I am in the process of rebuilding a Holley 4160 carb, and had a question about the floats. The one in the primary bowl is free to move up and down, and supported by the spring, but the one in the secondary is not. I was just wondering, is the float in the second bowl supposed to be as free-moving as the one in the primary? Or is it supposed to move less? Thanks, Jim '66 Malibu __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] More firewwall ?
Speaking of firewall, can someone tell me what people use to make it look like chrome/reflective? Is it polished aluminum? clear coated steel? Also, where can I buy it from? Thanks, Jim '66 Malibu --- Dave Corgill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 10:12 AM 01/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Thanks for the help on the fire wall insulation > question. I think I'll go > >with dynamat or equivalant. > > I have anougther delema here goes > >(how do you remmove the iginiton switch tumbler(key > part) from the switch? > >66 chevelle > >I know I seen the answer to this before but can't > find it now. > >Thanks again, > >Dan > > > >- > > D.C. - There should be a small hole in the face of > the switch, Insert a > paper clip and with the key in the acc. position, > push the paper clip in. > This will release the lock cylinder from the > ignition switch. The you can > screw off the bezel which holds the ignition switch > into the dash. > G.M. - Same as above, except after you push the > paper clip in, and while > you have it pushed in, rotate the key further > counter clockwise to release > the cylinder. > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit > www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] His and Her's '66's in Super Chevy
Or a nice blown 66 vette? :) On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Herbert Lumpp wrote: > That would be a pretty awesome sight Dale! Unfortunately, my wife isn't a > big Chevelle (or El Camino for that matter) fan. She prefers old Vettes and > '69 Camaros. The great thing is she wants me to be happy so I get to build > whatever kind of car I like. > > She did say the next car I (we) build will be either a '69 Camaro (for her) > or a street rod of some type. I'm thinking a 33-34 Ford 3 window coupe with > a blown/injected big block Chevy or maybe a '32 low boy. It's only money > right? ;) > > cYa- > > Herb Lumpp > 1966 El Camino > ACES 3509, MCC 528 > http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/ > > - Original Message - > From: "Dale McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:37 PM > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] His and Her's '66's in Super Chevy > > > > Sorry about that, Herb . I was looking at my subscription expiration > > date of May 04 - Duh! April 2003 (that's two-thousand and three - this > > year). Long day I suppose. > > > > Both have the same paint, interior, wheel/tire sizes, and even claim the > > same engines. You're in just the opposite fix I'm in but would you > > build a 66 Malibu e-x-a-c-t-l-y like your Elky for your wife? I think > > if I had the money, I'd build my Elky just like the GR8PMKN and give it > > to her and keep the Elky. Would we be two attention-getting pair if we > > were at the same show or what? LOL > > > > Dale McIntosh > > TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 > > 67SS/67 Elky > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] More firewwall ?
At 10:12 AM 01/29/2003 -0500, you wrote: Thanks for the help on the fire wall insulation question. I think I'll go with dynamat or equivalant. I have anougther delema here goes (how do you remmove the iginiton switch tumbler(key part) from the switch? 66 chevelle I know I seen the answer to this before but can't find it now. Thanks again, Dan - D.C. - There should be a small hole in the face of the switch, Insert a paper clip and with the key in the acc. position, push the paper clip in. This will release the lock cylinder from the ignition switch. The you can screw off the bezel which holds the ignition switch into the dash. G.M. - Same as above, except after you push the paper clip in, and while you have it pushed in, rotate the key further counter clockwise to release the cylinder. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignition switch removal for 66
http://www.mail-archive.com/chevelle-list@chevelles.net/msg16353.html Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:12 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] More firewwall ? > Thanks for the help on the fire wall insulation question. I think I'll go with dynamat or equivalant. > I have anougther delema here goes > (how do you remmove the iginiton switch tumbler(key part) from the switch? 66 chevelle > I know I seen the answer to this before but can't find it now. > Thanks again, > Dan > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Sorry guys, the first time I sent this out it had a small picture on it. I guess the server didn't like that. I'm reposting the info about my fans: Again you can see them at: http://www.dscf.org/temp/71/fan1.jpg and http://www.dscf.org/temp/71/fan2.jpg I went with the dual setup from Derale PN: 16928 and a new 4-row rad. I copied and pasted the specs from the website (www.derale.com). Summit sells these Derale fans. Just do a search on their website for the part number. These fans work great so far, but the real test will be summer and we haven't got there yet. I think 80 deg. is the hottest it's been so far. "RAD" Dual Fans Two 13" diameter high output fans Dual 265 watt motors 4,000 CFM Two widths to fit most radiators Cools the toughtest applications Puller only Part No. 16934 34" width Part No. 16928 28" width Fan Specifications Part No. Width Height Thickness at motor Thickness at edge RPM CFM Amp Draw 16934 31.75" 15.76" 3.19" 3.15" 1670 4000 50.0 16928 28.25" 13.82" 3.19" 3.15" 1670 4000 50.0 Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: Bill Bruyn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up I'm going through this right now on my 67. Here's what I decided. A quality electric fan will not be outperformed by any mechanical fan at idle / low RPMs, and that's where we run into trouble, in my experience. The Spals are good units, but I don't think that dual 11" setup is going to work for you - you need a 31 inch radiator in order to mount it. I'm going with a single 16" puller, myself. You may need to upgrade electrical components. I intend to do so anyway, and am still researching... Enjoy, Bill - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
[Chevelle-List] More firewwall ?
Thanks for the help on the fire wall insulation question. I think I'll go with dynamat or equivalant. I have anougther delema here goes (how do you remmove the iginiton switch tumbler(key part) from the switch? 66 chevelle I know I seen the answer to this before but can't find it now. Thanks again, Dan - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Title: Message Ken, Did you say pusher fans? Pushers are about 70% as efficient as pullers reducing the 2780cfm flow to under 2000cfm. They'll also block a lot of the incoming air even at speed when they're turned off. In addition, the opening in the radiator support might not fit the two dual 11" fans. Spal's tech sheet says their dual setup is 23.5". Another thing to watch for is the room between the fans and the splash pan and those motors are 4.25" deep - I don't thing there is room to fit them with some cutting behind the grille. I'd really suggest a puller setup. The small block (assuming short pump) should have tons of room on the engine side. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Dale: Thanks for your comments. There is a lot of confusion on which way to go. Hence, my questions. My understanding is that two Spal 11 inch fans with built in fan shrouds and acting as pushers will either outperform or equal a traditional mechanical clutch fan set up. Apparently, the Spal fans would be set up that they come on at idle or when the temps rise. Then at cruising speeds, the fans would be off. This would be controlled by a thermal switch with a relay. The issue for me is trying to decide which way to go prior to ordering the set up. This is why I was asking for inputs. When you look at modern cars today, seems all have gone the route of electric fans. Does that say anything ? Dunno, just curious prior to investing in a custom aluminum radiator set up. Thanks again, Ken McDee Dale McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you have the room for a puller fan (or even a pusher if it's just an auxiliary backup) AND the normal fan, I'd think that's the route to go. As Rich said, the electric fans for low speed cruising/traffic only when there's almost no airflow. There's been a few threads on this very subject at Team Chevelle and the concensus is that over 35-40 mph, there's enough airflow through the radiator to cool it anyway and at some point (like 70-80 range) the electric fans are actually a hinderance as there's more air coming through the radiator than the fans can pull, effectively blocking the airflow. Some fan setups have small flaps in their shrouding that will open to allow more surface for the air to flow through. Much depends on how good an airflow you have through your radiator now. Remember that newer cars usually have the radiator at quite an angle and almost no airflow from the outside. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up I am trying to determine if: a. I should go with one or the other. b. Clutch fan set up, shroud, electric puller fan. Thanks, Ken McDee Richard Milkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I went with both on my Nova. In traffic or on a slow cruise I switched the electric fan on to keep things cool. Driving at normal speeds I would shut it off. Worked great. I learned this lesson at the Woodward cruise when I kept boiling over. It's not easy to get water when your surrounded by a million people. Rich"66 MalibuACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver.
[Chevelle-List] Dale: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Dale: Thanks for your comments. There is a lot of confusion on which way to go. Hence, my questions. My understanding is that two Spal 11 inch fans with built in fan shrouds and acting as pushers will either outperform or equal a traditional mechanical clutch fan set up. Apparently, the Spal fans would be set up that they come on at idle or when the temps rise. Then at cruising speeds, the fans would be off. This would be controlled by a thermal switch with a relay. The issue for me is trying to decide which way to go prior to ordering the set up. This is why I was asking for inputs. When you look at modern cars today, seems all have gone the route of electric fans. Does that say anything ? Dunno, just curious prior to investing in a custom aluminum radiator set up. Thanks again, Ken McDee Dale McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you have the room for a puller fan (or even a pusher if it's just an auxiliary backup) AND the normal fan, I'd think that's the route to go. As Rich said, the electric fans for low speed cruising/traffic only when there's almost no airflow. There's been a few threads on this very subject at Team Chevelle and the concensus is that over 35-40 mph, there's enough airflow through the radiator to cool it anyway and at some point (like 70-80 range) the electric fans are actually a hinderance as there's more air coming through the radiator than the fans can pull, effectively blocking the airflow. Some fan setups have small flaps in their shrouding that will open to allow more surface for the air to flow through. Much depends on how good an airflow you have through your radiator now. Remember that newer cars usually have the radiator at quite an angle and almost no airflow from the outside. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dales Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up I am trying to determine if: a. I should go with one or the other. b. Clutch fan set up, shroud, electric puller fan. Thanks, Ken McDee Richard Milkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I went with both on my Nova. In traffic or on a slow cruise I switched the electric fan on to keep things cool. Driving at normal speeds I would shut it off. Worked great. I learned this lesson at the Woodward cruise when I kept boiling over. It's not easy to get water when your surrounded by a million people. Rich"66 MalibuACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up nowDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch ...
In a message dated 1/29/03 7:10:53 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Just my 2 cents worth.. Since you are crusin you will be spending some time at stop lights ect..I would go with the electric set up..or both with a thin push fan that you can turn on and off. Temp is up click on..I used this combo on my Nova SS and plan on doing same with my El Camino. Once I went to ele. never had a problem with overheating or should I say cooling it back down. Might want to think of running a oil cooler also. You really don't end up spending as much as you think when compared to what you got invested. ..Just my humble opinion Bill A 67 El Camino 66 El Camino 66 Nova SS 78 Silver Annv. Corvette
[Chevelle-List] Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up=response to Bill and more input needed
Bill: I think, respectfully, you may be off in your assumptions. I am looking at a PRC aluminum radiator set up. Now, I can go with either a clutch set up or have a dual Spal electric fan set up. The dilemma is that I need information prior to moving forward. Why ? If I order the PRC radiator and go with electrical fan set up, I can order the radiator made with an internal automatic trans cooler, and the Spal Electric fans will be attached to the radiator by PRC, along with built in shrouds. So, it will be a custom made set up. And, it will fit and work. Now, I have had a PRC aluminum radiator made last summer for my 67 Chevelle SS. I went with a clutch fan set up since I wanted the 67 SS to have an original look since it is a numbers matching vehicle. I painted the rails radiator black to have it look original. The PRC radiator keeps the temps much lower. I kept the old radiator for resale if I ever sell the Chevelle. In contrast, I am not concerned with the 67 Chevelle Malibu being original looking since it has a 383 stroker and other mods. So, I am asking inputs on whether a fan set up vs. clutch fan set up is the way to go. My only question is on the set up. I have talked with others who advise that the electric fans will work at idle and kick off at cruise speeds when the temperature comes down. Therefore, the two electric fans would be working at idle and probably have enough CFMs to cool at idle. I have already decided to upgrade the alternator to either 100 or 138 amps. Again, I need other comments from Chevelle or other car owners who have gone with the electric fan set up. Are you happy or wish you did not go to this set up and stayed with the traditional clutch fan or flex fan/shroud set up. Thanks again, Ken McDee Dale McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bill, Looking at the dual 11" Spal fan spec sheet and it has the overall width of the unit at 23.46" and the mounting holes are inside that dimension. Is there something missing from their tech drawings that would account for the extra 7.5" you mention? Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dales Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bill BruynSent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:04 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up I'm going through this right now on my 67. Here's what I decided. A quality electric fan will not be outperformed by any mechanical fan at idle / low RPMs, and that's where we run into trouble, in my experience. The Spals are good units, but I don't think that dual 11" setup is going to work for you - you need a 31 inch radiator in order to mount it. I'm going with a single 16" puller, myself. You may need to upgrade electrical components. I intend to do so anyway, and am still researching... Enjoy, Bill - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up nowDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [Chevelle-List] Purchase help
Boy these cars look pretty good!!! Thanks Dan ! Bill C Ct - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Rodney, What kind/size of fans are these? Don - Original Message - From: Rodney. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Here's a couple pics of my fans http://www.dscf.org/temp/71/fan1.jpg and http://www.dscf.org/temp/71/fan2.jpg Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [Chevelle-List] Purchase help
My opinion also. Don if it were my money, I'd wait for something better. For $16,500 the car had pretty much be in great shape, regardless if it is a SS or not. From what you describe (rust, interior, mechanical, etc) half that amount sounds too high to me. There are alot of nice cars you can find in the $16,500 range, not to mention what you could do with the $20,150 (if not more by the time you try to make it "right") you'd have invested in this one. Just my 2 cents worth.. Ron My '66 http://home.attbi.com/~cutter169/chevelle_page.htm Team Chevelle #1668 ACES #5205 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] Purchase help As some of you may know, I have been looking for a 1971 SS convertible for a couple years now. Today I had one checked out by a mechanic. It looks like a real one, but doesn't have a remote mirror. The engine is not original. It needs a new top and interior should be done too. There is probably $1500 of mechanical work that needs to be done. (new brakes, gaskets everywhere, hoses, etc.) There is a little rust in the rear quarters and some bolts are missing for the fronts. I could go on. Here is the dilema, they are asking 16,500 for it. The $1500 for mechanical and probably $2500 to do the interior and the top, gives me a good driver, that probably is a clone. It has correct dash, etc. but the heavy front sway bar is missing and there isn't a rear one. BUT, it has power bucket seats, factory air (working), power windows and a remote trunk release. It doesn't seem like it would be worth it to strip it to metal and paint it. So, doesn't $16,500 seem too high. And even if it was $14,000, would it be worth getting? THANKS! Mark - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Purchase help
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2401042851&cat egory=6164 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2401202451&cat egory=6164 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2400826773&cat egory=6164 these look nice Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS www.alloldchevy.com - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Purchase help > So, it turns out that the car according to the data plate, originally had a bench seat. All the power items in the car, weren't available on the 71. So, the interior was probably from a Monte Carlo. > > And if there are plenty of cars for $16K, where are they? > > Thanks for the help, > Mark > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Air Filters
Hi Everyone, Can somebody tell me if an air cleaner from an 1979 Chevy van 4bbl and 1979 Malibu 4bbl are the same ? The reason I ask is because I have one from a malibu and would like to put it on the chevelle but modfy it to be a dual snorkel taking the snorkel from the van one (its in Norway so its no idea to send it down here if it doesent fit) thanks ! André - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Purchase help
So, it turns out that the car according to the data plate, originally had a bench seat. All the power items in the car, weren't available on the 71. So, the interior was probably from a Monte Carlo. And if there are plenty of cars for $16K, where are they? Thanks for the help, Mark - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
