Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
Hi All, I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a couple months. I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is tempting!!! Warm Regards, *Ryan S. Beckett* *Partner & Co-Founder* *561.301.6337 mobile* ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
Hi All, I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a couple months. I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is tempting!!! Warm Regards, *Ryan S. Beckett* *Partner & Co-Founder* *561.301.6337 <561.301.6337> mobile* ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
A 42 is 3x the work and expense of a 30. More of everything to maintain harder to single hand. You'll sail less and spend more. Joel On Friday, July 4, 2014, coltrek via CnC-List > wrote: > And in his review of the C&C 39, he said THAT was his favorite! > But hey, I tell each of my son's in law that the got the pick of the > litter! > > (Bob Perry told me that it's still his favorite) > > > Wild Bill > C&C 39 > > > Original message > From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List > Date:07/04/2014 4:18 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! > > Ryan - > > Your *key point* was when you said "to make sure its a > sport/lifestyle/hobby for me..." > > Before I bought this LF38 I had an Islander 28 -- a very stiff and > forgiving little sailing machine (Bob Perry told me that it's still his > favorite boat, back when I asked him if the C&C LF38 was a good boat) > > > Wal > > > > Ryan wrote: > > What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my > > impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a > > sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for > > such a great price is tempting!!! > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
30 is cheaper to maintain From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Beckett via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 2:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Hi All, I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a couple months. I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is tempting!!! Warm Regards, Ryan S. Beckett Partner & Co-Founder 561.301.6337 mobile <http://www.ryanbeckett.com/sothebys.jpg> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
Love the one your with! Jerry -Original Message- From: Ryan Beckett via CnC-List To: cnc-list Sent: Fri, Jul 4, 2014 2:00 pm Subject: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Hi All, I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a couple months. I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is tempting!!! Warm Regards, Ryan S. Beckett Partner & Co-Founder 561.301.6337 mobile ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
Ryan - Your *key point* was when you said "to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me..." Before I bought this LF38 I had an Islander 28 -- a very stiff and forgiving little sailing machine (Bob Perry told me that it's still his favorite boat, back when I asked him if the C&C LF38 was a good boat) that boat made me focus on sailing characteristics as a primary criteria for the next boat. I sailed the heck out of it, and did as much weekend cruising as possible. I also did things with it that I'd never do with this boat, probably because I didn't know what I was doing and was learning through mistakes. Mike's comment that a 30 is cheaper to maintain is right on the mark. Check out the price difference on a quality block for 3/8" line vs. 1/2" line. Tanks, engines, sails, slip fees, haul-out fees, paint, just about everything. When I was working, some folks who didn't know a thing would say to me 'I'm thinking about buying a boat. Something about 40 to 45 feet.' I would always say 'Buy a little boat and learn, then buy a bigger boat, and then buy a bigger boat. Everyone I've met who buys a big first boat sails it a few times, scares the heck out of him or her self, and then lets it sit at the dock.' One guy took my advice, bought a Santana 24 and sailed it on the Pacific out of Santa Cruz, and still scared himself into buying a heavy full keel cruiser. Oh well. Smaller boats are nimble and will provide you with faster feedback when you make a mistake, and that makes you a better sailor. So sail the heck out of that 30, and buy a bigger boat when your heart tells you the time is right. The fact that you're even wondering says the time isn't right. Wal Ryan wrote: What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is tempting!!! ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
Keep the 30 while you determine if its a "sport/lifestyle/hobby for" you. There will always be other good boats around when you decide. Meantime I'll buy the Landfall 42. :-)) Dan Sargeant C&C 32 Ocean Pearl Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia On Jul 4, 2014 3:00 PM, "Ryan Beckett via CnC-List" wrote: > Hi All, > > I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the > brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned > the boat a couple months. > > I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may > have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for > about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! > > What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my > impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a > sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for > such a great price is tempting!!! > > Warm Regards, > > > *Ryan S. Beckett* > *Partner & Co-Founder* > *561.301.6337 <561.301.6337> mobile* > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
And in his review of the C&C 39, he said THAT was his favorite! But hey, I tell each of my son's in law that the got the pick of the litter! (Bob Perry told me that it's still his favorite) Wild Bill C&C 39 Original message From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List Date:07/04/2014 4:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Ryan - Your *key point* was when you said "to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me..." Before I bought this LF38 I had an Islander 28 -- a very stiff and forgiving little sailing machine (Bob Perry told me that it's still his favorite boat, back when I asked him if the C&C LF38 was a good boat) Wal Ryan wrote: > What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my > impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a > sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for > such a great price is tempting!!! ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc. Big boat, big systems. Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc. lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to see/feel changes in sail trim. Dinghies are a blast to sail! Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock. May or may not see/feel changes in sail trim. Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List > wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand > of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat > a couple months. > > I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may > have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for > about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! > > What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my > impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a > sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for > such a great price is tempting!!! > > Warm Regards, > > > Ryan S. Beckett > Partner & Co-Founder > 561.301.6337 mobile > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
Compare the following prices: New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at least double if not triple. Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I would think the 42 isn’t going for less than $15K. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc. Big boat, big systems. Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc. lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to see/feel changes in sail trim. Dinghies are a blast to sail! Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock. May or may not see/feel changes in sail trim. Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Hi All, I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a couple months. I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is tempting!!! Warm Regards, Ryan S. Beckett Partner & Co-Founder 561.301.6337 mobile <http://www.ryanbeckett.com/sothebys.jpg> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com <mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I'd be concerned on condition. The great price might be offset by the fact that is needs a lot. 42 is a big boat! You're leaning to sail now? I'm a big fan of starting small and working your way up! you have a working boat now, why not just go with that for a while and learn how to sail? I started boating in a 16 footer and my first sailboat was a 22 footer. Being swamped by people in big ass boats because they were oblivious to their surroundings makes me believe that all boaters should start in small boats to gain that perspective and consideration. Of course, that's more for power boaters... short rant over! LOL DannyLolitaViking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List To: Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 10:36:10 -0400 Compare the following prices: New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at least double if not triple. Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I would think the 42 isn’t going for less than $15K. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc. Big boat, big systems. Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc. lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to see/feel changes in sail trim. Dinghies are a blast to sail! Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock. May or may not see/feel changes in sail trim. Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List wrote: Hi All, I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a couple months. I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is tempting!!! Warm Regards, Ryan S. Beckett Partner & Co-Founder 561.301.6337 mobile ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
But the bragging rights are priceless!! Rich > On Jul 5, 2014, at 11:36, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List > wrote: > > Compare the following prices: > New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at least > double if not triple. > Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be > replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I > would think the 42 isn’t going for less than $15K. > > > Joe Della Barba > j...@dellabarba.com > > Coquina > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. > via CnC-List > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM > To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! > > Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less > maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc. > > Big boat, big systems. Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive > lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc. > lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. > > Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to > see/feel changes in sail trim. Dinghies are a blast to sail! > > Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock. May or may > not see/feel changes in sail trim. > > Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. > > Dennis C. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List > wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand > of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat > a couple months. > > I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may > have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for > about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! > > What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my > impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a > sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for > such a great price is tempting!!! > > Warm Regards, > > > Ryan S. Beckett > Partner & Co-Founder > 561.301.6337 mobile > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
A 42'er that's going to cost what you have in a 30'er is going to have some serious problems which are going to cost many many dollars and hours of your life to fix. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 5 July 2014 07:54, Rich Knowles via CnC-List wrote: > But the bragging rights are priceless!! > > Rich > > On Jul 5, 2014, at 11:36, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Compare the following prices: > > New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at > least double if not triple. > > Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be > replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I > would think the 42 isn’t going for less than $15K. > > > > > > Joe Della Barba > > j...@dellabarba.com > > > > Coquina > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Dennis C. via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM > *To:* Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! > > > > Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less > maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc. > > > > Big boat, big systems. Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big > expensive lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and > solenoids, etc. lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. > > > > Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to > see/feel changes in sail trim. Dinghies are a blast to sail! > > > > Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock. May or > may not see/feel changes in sail trim. > > > > Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. > > > > Dennis C. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the > brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned > the boat a couple months. > > > > I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may > have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for > about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! > > > > What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my > impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a > sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for > such a great price is tempting!!! > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > *Ryan S. Beckett* > > *Partner & Co-Founder* > > *561.301.6337 <561.301.6337> mobile* > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
I like all the advice you're getting about mastering the smaller boat. Your 30 isn't much different from the C&C 27 my father taught hundreds to sail aboard in Victoria. She is a sweetheart of a boat that gives you really good feedback when you make adjustments to your sails. Once you get a good handle on sailing her, you'll be able to tell when the main or jib needs to come in or be eased, just by the feel of the helm. You learn faster on a smaller boat, too. There is also the handling factor. It's much, much harder to stop a 42-footer than a 30, and much easier to do really expensive damage with the bigger boat. you may be familiar with the Cube-Square Law: if you double the dimensions, you quadruple the area and octuple the mass. When I go offshore I will always pick a crewmember who has lots of small-boat experience over one who has only sailed big boats. It scales up easily, down; not so well. That being said, when you get comfortable with the 30, by all means jump into a 42. Sure it's lots of extra work and money, but personally I like working on my boat. I'm sure you will, too. Andy C&C 40 Peregrine > > -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Sorry guys; but there are some positives about owning a bigger boat none of which have been mentioned.because of where I sail and what my sailing agenda is about nowadays and at my age I wish I still had my C&C 30, which I consider the best boat ever built for my venue and my sailing wishes.however if the dude wants a Landfall 42 for whatever reason let him go for it.it's a C&C and a good boat and it offers a lot for those who need a 42 footer to be happy and for a single guy this boat may make him very happy especially if he can get his close friends to help with sailing it and with upkeep.those ones would be keepers in my humble opinion _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: July 5, 2014 11:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Compare the following prices: New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at least double if not triple. Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I would think the 42 isn't going for less than $15K. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc. Big boat, big systems. Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc. lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to see/feel changes in sail trim. Dinghies are a blast to sail! Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock. May or may not see/feel changes in sail trim. Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List wrote: Hi All, I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a couple months. I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is tempting!!! Warm Regards, Ryan S. Beckett Partner & Co-Founder 561.301.6337 mobile <http://www.ryanbeckett.com/sothebys.jpg> ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7788 - Release Date: 07/03/14 ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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On the other hand. being a 30-1 owner for 20+ years, it is a boat which he and his sweetie can sail without additional help in most conditions. A bigger boat means more effort, maybe more people, more expense. If he is looking for a party boat (bunches aboard for the weekend) then a 42 would be a better deal, but for getting away for a cozy weekend and, as mentioned many times, the outlay for everything for a 30 is considerably less. We haven't heard where he sails, what type of sailing he would like to do, etc. He didn't mention if he had had other boats in the past and is now deciding the cruising life is his goal or whatever he mentioned the Landfall, so I surmise he is interested in cruising, maybe in luxury, and in that case a 42 would be a better deal. Live aboard??? I'm still a little suspicious of a 42 for the price of an early 30... problems? But, his brand choice is a great one. Gary 30-1 Maryland - Original Message - From: dwight via CnC-List To: j...@dellabarba.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Sorry guys; but there are some positives about owning a bigger boat none of which have been mentioned.because of where I sail and what my sailing agenda is about nowadays and at my age I wish I still had my C&C 30, which I consider the best boat ever built for my venue and my sailing wishes.however if the dude wants a Landfall 42 for whatever reason let him go for it.it's a C&C and a good boat and it offers a lot for those who need a 42 footer to be happy and for a single guy this boat may make him very happy especially if he can get his close friends to help with sailing it and with upkeep.those ones would be keepers in my humble opinion -- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: July 5, 2014 11:36 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Compare the following prices: New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at least double if not triple. Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I would think the 42 isn't going for less than $15K. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc. Big boat, big systems. Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc. lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to see/feel changes in sail trim. Dinghies are a blast to sail! Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock. May or may not see/feel changes in sail trim. Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List wrote: Hi All, I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a couple months. I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is tempting!!! Warm Regards, Ryan S. Beckett Partner & Co-Founder 561.301.6337 mobile ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7788 - Release Date: 07/03/14 -
Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
Hi Ryan, Keep the 30 to learn and daysail and race. Buy the 42 to cruise with a gang or live aboard. You're young. You can handle both. "Easy payments." 2nd tip: Marry rich. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 1:59:48 PM Subject: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! Hi All, I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a couple months. I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is tempting!!! Warm Regards, Ryan S. Beckett Partner & Co-Founder 561.301.6337 mobile ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Consider your slip fees. They go up as the size increases. Every time I prep the bottom of my boat I'm thankful it's only 27 feet. Anti-fouling paint is pricy and you'll more than double the amount needed and 4x the time involved. Substantial upgrades on a 30 vs a 42 are easier. Consider replacing #21 2 speed Barient winches with self trailers for $700 each vs $2000 a piece for the ones for the landfall. Beautiful boat but really make sure you can afford all aspects before jumping in, otherwise you will despise it and never achieve that special love affair we all share. I can't say with any first hand knowledge but I would think riding out a storm on the 42 would be a lot more comfortable than a 30 but as others have said if you are learning how to sail, the smaller boat will make you a better sailor. A well set up 30 can be singlehanded even with a spinnaker but I'm not sure if anyone does any solo kite flying on a LF 42 Whatever you decide you're sailing and that's what counts. Brent Driedger 27-5 Stormy Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List > wrote: > > Hi Ryan, > Keep the 30 to learn and daysail and race. Buy the 42 to cruise with a gang > or live aboard. You're young. You can handle both. "Easy payments." > > 2nd tip: Marry rich. > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > Sent: Friday, July 4, 2014 1:59:48 PM > Subject: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please! > > Hi All, > > I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand > of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat > a couple months. > > I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may > have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for > about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! > > What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my > impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a > sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for > such a great price is tempting!!! > > Warm Regards, > > > Ryan S. Beckett > Partner & Co-Founder > 561.301.6337 mobile > > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Just noticed this. No thanks, Chuck! Done that 3 times. Rich On Jul 7, 2014, at 23:22, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: Hi Ryan, Keep the 30 to learn and daysail and race. Buy the 42 to cruise with a gang or live aboard. You're young. You can handle both. "Easy payments." 2nd tip: Marry rich. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
