[CTRL] "Telepathic Messages" And Murder

[Martin F. Abernathy]

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http://www.unc.edu/dth/archives/1998/09/091098/ww6.html

Suspect May Be Schizophrenic
By Emily Adams
Staff Writer, The Daily Tar Heel

Thursday, September 10, 1998


Four days after UNC law student Wendell Williamson was charged with two
counts of first-degree murder, three UNC psychology professors who have
experience with the criminally insane said Williamson's actions might
indicate that he suffered from schizophrenia.

Williamson was taken into custody Thursday. Police say he fired his
father's M-1 rifle at pedestrians and police officers and killed two men
on Henderson Street in Chapel Hill at about 2 p.m. Thursday.

His mother, Fonda Williamson of Clyde, N.C., said a forensic
psychiatrist told her Saturday that her son suffered from paranoid
schizophrenia. Although she said her son had been hospitalized for
psychiatric care in the past, Saturday was the first time she had heard
him diagnosed as schizophrenic, according to the AP.

Joe Lowman, a UNC abnormal psychology professor, said Williamson may be
classified as an extroverted schizophrenic paranoid. Most schizophrenics
are shy and keep to themselves. Williamson, however, was fairly outgoing
for a schizophrenic, Lowman said.George Baroff, director of the UNC
Developmental Disabilities Training Institute, said schizophrenics often
heard voices in their heads or had auditory hallucinations. Williamson
is reported to have talked to himself at several bars. He has also been
reported to believe he had telepathic powers.


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[CTRL] Mind Control Murder In Oregon ?

[Martin F. Abernathy]

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http://www.oregonlive.com/news/00/03/st031006.html

Teen accused in death seeks tips from 'Happy Face' killer

Friday, March 10, 2000

--

By Michael Wilson of The Oregonian staff


An Astoria teen who has said voices told him to kill a 7-year-old girl
whose body was found under his parents' floorboards wrote a letter to
Oregon serial killer Keith "Happy Face" Jesperson seeking advice on his
defense strategy, prison life and girls.

Harned, 17, wrote the letter from the Clatsop County Jail in Astoria,
where he awaits a court ruling on whether he is competent to stand
trial. A hearing that included testimony that he heard voices telling
him to "kill, kill, kill" ended Tuesday, and a decision from Clatsop
County Circuit Judge Philip Nelson is expected next week. Harned's
lawyers say the teen is incapable of aiding in his defense.

About 135 miles away from Harned's coastal jail cell, Jesperson is
serving a life sentence in the Oregon State Penitentiary in Salem for
the murders of three young women in Oregon and Washington.

Harned faces two counts of aggravated murder in connection with the Feb.
11, 1999, slaying of 7-year-old Ashley Ann Carlson. Police say Harned
strangled the girl and buried her under the floorboards of his parents'
home.

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[CTRL] The Gods Among Us

[Euphorix]

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From
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/chico?tf=RT/fullstory
_print.html&cf=RT/config-neutral&slug=wvalpy&date=20010127&archive=RTGAM&site=Front

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POSTED AT 1:42 PM ESTSaturday, January 27

Perfection but at what price?
By MICHAEL VALPY
>From Saturday's Globe
Scientists in Britain received parliamentary approval this week to create human
embryos for research into treating disease. In two words: therapeutic cloning.
It is the first legal green light given to the Western world's biomedical community
to actually create human life. The terms are stringent: The embryos must be
destroyed after 14 days; they must never be allowed to grow into human beings; a
select parliamentary committee is to come up with detailed regulatory controls
before the first research licences are granted.
Now, from the moral principles of Westminster's lawmakers, let's travel to this
month's issue of Wired magazine, the widely read periodical of the North American
software industry, a sort of New England Journal of Medicine for computer nerds. The
cover story is about the Creator and the Client. It is not fiction.
The Creator is described by writer Brian Alexander as "an intense dark-haired man in
his thirties [who] looks a little like Peter Lorre in The Beast With Five Fingers."
He has a PhD in molecular biology, a list of peer-reviewed publications, a research 
job at a major U.S. university, an entrepreneurial spirit and a shortage of ethical 
scruples. He has "just enough skill to make human clo
ning work," Mr. Alexander writes.
And he has attracted a customer — the Client — a businessman living in Western Europe 
whose son died from disease a year ago. The Client found him by cruising the 
underworld of the Internet.
The Client wants the Creator to clone his dead son. He has consulted experts and keeps 
tissue samples from the body stored in liquid nitrogen and paraffin blocks. The 
Creator has found an in vitro fertilization laboratory
 that can do the work, with a compliant director skilled in the handling of human eggs 
and the IVF embryo manipulations that closely resemble the techniques used in cloning.
At last report, Mr. Alexander writes, the Creator and the Client had fallen to 
bickering over whether the Creator could guarantee success.
Then there is the story of the Quebec-based New Age cult, the UFO-worshipping 
Raelians, and their project, Clonaid. They announced last year, through much salacious 
press coverage around the world, that they had found a U
.S. couple ready to pay $500,000 to have their dead baby cloned from saved tissue.
The cult said it has the medical know-how to do the job. It, too, may have found the 
Creator and his lab.
"The Creator's spirit," Mr. Alexander writes, "has been awakened by the historical 
moment we're in right now, a convergence of under-the-radar pro-cloning agitation, 
falling taboos, and the inexorable march of science."
Or, as Dr. Joseph Martin, the Alberta-born dean of Harvard University's school of 
medicine, explains: "The technology isn't that difficult and it will happen probably 
before we'd like it to."
Cloning of the monkey has already been done. So the possibility of reproducing 
ourselves, humankind, within the next few years is really not a question of 'whether' 
or 'if you can,' but a question of 'who does it.' "
And so here we have the chills travelling up the world's spine.
Hidden from view in corporate-financed research laboratories, human-cloning 
experiments already may be well under way, Dr. Martin told a recent breakfast 
gathering attended by some of the world's outstanding clinical and
basic-science researchers in genetics, immunology and molecular biology.
The Globe and Mail had invited the scientists to talk about the morals and ethics 
required to frame the relentless advance of biomedical research.
Britain has now taken the step to the leading edge. The U.S. National Institutes of 
Health has just begun to finance research using surplus human embryos from in vitro 
fertilization clinics (manufacturing embryos remains
prohibited), which the new Bush administration is being strongly lobbied to halt.
The Canadian government, wishy-washy to a fault, twice has backed away from regulatory 
legislation of any kind, relying on a voluntary moratorium by the biomedical community 
that may well have served to drive research und
erground. In any event, Canadian scientists have described human embryo-cell research 
in the country as having gone nowhere.
The publicly funded Canadian Institutes of Health Research (the reincarnated Medical 
Research Council) has a committee working on research guidelines. A Health Canada 
discussion paper given media attention this week says
the government may permit therapeutic cloning similar to the Britis

Re: [CTRL] The Bastard President

[BB]

Just  TRY to get the following into your very narrow, disrespectful,
DISRUPTOR mind:
1.    Gore LOST.  The more they count Florida, the
more he loses.
2.    The Constitution provides for an ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
3.    It was done for a REASON --  stop complaining
and do some homework.
4.    A MAJORITY vote is NOT the epitome of all GOOD
THINGS in the universe.
5.    Bush won.  He IS the president.  Get
over it.
6.    Go, and DISRUPT no more.
 
radman wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
The Bastard President
 

Re: [CTRL] DERSHOWITZ: Bush Starts Off by Defying the Constitution

[M.A. Johnson]

-Caveat Lector-

ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ
And in a home with so many owners, there can be no official
sectarian prayer. That is what the 1st Amendment is all about,
and the first act by the new administration was in defiance of
our Constitution.
MJ
Unfortunately, Dershowitz would not know the Constitution from
a hole in the ground ... the First Amendment quite plainly prohibits
CONGRESS from passing LAWS regarding five items ...

But then this putz has already established himself as a Fool.

Regard$,
--MJ

The Constitution wisely forbids Congress to make any law respecting the
establishment of religion, but it is idle to hope that the Nation can be
protected against the influence of secret sectarianism while each State
is exposed to its domination. We, therefore, recommend that the Constitution
be so amended as to lay the same prohibition upon the Legislature of each
State, and to forbid the appropriation of public funds to the support of
sectarian schools.   -- Republican Platform of 1880

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[CTRL] Liberals Use Unfair Tactics With Ashcroft

[Amelia]

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{{More on the intolerance of left-wingers--believe as I
believe or get out.   I pretty much endorse most of this
article as most of the religious people I know are very
honest and trustworthy and do not try to force their beliefs
on others as fundamentalist liberals do.AKE}

 01/23/2001 - Tuesday - Page A 34
  Liberals Use Unfair Tactics With
Ashcroft

Matthew Carolan and Raymond J. Keating. Matthew Carolan is
online editor for Inter@ctive Week. Raymond J. Keating is
co-author of "U.S. by the Numbers: Figuring What's Left,
Right, and Wrong with America State by State."

SOME LIBERALS like to say that America's diversity is its
strength. We agree.

Unfortunately, the left's definition of diversity too often
is as narrow as its view of bipartisanship. That is, if you
agree with them, then you embrace bipartisanship and
diversity. If not, you are probably a narrow-minded bigot.

We tend to like people with strong and reasonable beliefs
and principles.

So we're thankful, especially after watching recent Senate
confirmation hearings and the presidential inauguration this
past weekend, that there are decent, religious people in the
public square, including apparently President George W. Bush
and his Attorney General-designate John Ashcroft.

Neither of us is an evangelical Christian. But we were
appalled at the recent insinuations emanating from inside
the Washington Beltway and from some in the establishment
media about the fitness of devoutly religious people, like
Ashcroft, to serve in government. And we know some local
evangelical Christians were upset, too.

After their recent disastrous calls of the election results
in Florida (relying on Voter News Service projections),
you'd think the major news organizations would not simply
parrot something they had heard second-hand from liberal
activists about the so-called "racism" of John Ashcroft.

This charge was so baseless that even Ashcroft's
nemesis -and alleged victim of that "racism" -Missouri Judge
Ronnie White, would disagree with it in Senate hearings.

You'd also think that if some in the media were going to
cynically describe George W. Bush's nomination of Ashcroft
as an attempt to appease the "religious right" or the "far
right," they would balance such cynicism by noting that
groups opposing Ashcroft were on the far, secular left.
Instead, they mildly identified these protesters as
"environmental," "women's" or "civil rights" groups. As a
result, the media helped fan a stereotypical attack on
devout, evangelical Christians as being nothing more than
racist, would-be theocrats.

Bill Banuchi, executive director of New York's Christian
Coalition, found the affair offensive. "They are still
trying to spread the lie that we are poor, uneducated, and
easy to lead," he said. Banuchi suggested that those
opposing Ashcroft may be more concerned about his ability to
challenge liberal views on abortion, for example. "What they
are really afraid of is Ashcroft's influence," he added.

Indeed, some liberals are remarkably fundamentalist about
their interpretations of the Bill of Rights. Ridiculously
reasoned Supreme Court decisions like Roe vs. Wade and
Planned Parenthood vs. Casey have become left-wing sacred
scriptures, against which any disagreement is considered
heresy.

In fact, the Senate confirmation hearings had more than a
whiff of a heresy trial. Sen. Ted Ken- nedy (D-Mass.) did
not so much discuss as bombastically denunciate. And Sen.
Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), lobbing hypothetical cases at
Ashcroft about abortion, became visibly impatient because
Ashcroft replied only about what the law allowed,
appropriately so for the would-be attorney general, and
refused to say anything using the word "should" which might
suggest moral endorsement.

"I think many are feeling the guilt of their own positions
...You hear the hostility in Kennedy's voice," said Roger
Bogsted, a deacon at the Bethpage Assembly of God and vice
chairman of the New York Conservative Party. "It cries out
to me of a guy who has walked away from his own faith, so to
speak, in the actions and the positions that he has taken,"
he continued. We say, Amen.

We're sure that the hysterical liberal fund-raising letters
already have been composed, citing George W. Bush's
inauguration speech, with its numerous religious references,
and Ashcroft's nomination as the signs of an impending
theocracy. Yet, in reality, all of the devoutly religious
people we've met are first-rate citizens, who revere the
Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill
of Rights, even while, as with the sacred books, sometimes
disagreeing about their proper interpretation.

  Copyright © Newsday, Inc. Produced by Newsday Electronic
Publishing.

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[CTRL] LAT: DERSHOWITZ: Bush Starts Off by Defying the Constitution

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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Bush Starts Off by Defying the Constitution

By ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ


 The very first act of the new Bush administration was to
have a Protestant Evangelist minister officially dedicate the
inauguration to Jesus Christ, who he declared to be "our savior."
Invoking "the Father, the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ" and "the
Holy Spirit," Billy Graham's son, the man selected by President
George W. Bush to bless his presidency, excluded the tens of
millions of Americans who are Muslims, Jews, Buddhists,
Shintoists, Unitarians, agnostics and atheists from his blessing
by his particularistic and parochial language.

 The plain message conveyed by the new administration is that
George W. Bush's America is a Christian nation, and that
non-Christians are welcome into the tent so long as they agree to
accept their status as a tolerated minority rather than as fully
equal citizens. In effect, Bush is saying: "This is our home, and
in our home we pray to Jesus as our savior. If you want to be a
guest in our home, you must accept the way we pray."

 But the United States is neither a Christian nation nor the
exclusive home of any particular religious group. Non-Christians
are not guests. We are as much hosts as any Mayflower-descendant
Protestant. It is our home as well as theirs. And in a home with
so many owners, there can be no official sectarian prayer. That
is what the 1st Amendment is all about, and the first act by the
new administration was in defiance of our Constitution.

 This was surely not the first time in our long history that
Jesus has been invoked at an official governmental assembly. But
we are a different and more religiously diverse nation than we
were in years past. There are now many more Muslims, Jews,
Buddhists and others who do not accept Jesus as their savior. It
is permissible in the U.S. to reject any particular theology.
Indeed, that is part of our glorious diversity. What is not
acceptable is for a presidential inauguration to exclude millions
of citizens from its opening ceremony by dedicating it to a
particular religious "savior."

 Our first president, George Washington, wrote to the tiny
Jewish community in Rhode Island that in this new nation, we will
no longer speak of mere "toleration," because toleration implies
that minorities enjoy their inherent rights "by the indulgence"
of the majority. President Bush should read that letter and show
it to the Rev. Franklin Graham, who told the media on the day
before the inauguration that his prayer "will be for unity";
instead, it was for the Trinity. Uniting for Jesus may be
Graham's definition of unity, but it is as un-American as if a
rabbi giving the official prayer had prayed for the arrival of
the "true Messiah," thus insulting the millions of Christians who
believe Jesus is the true Messiah.

 Inaugurations are not the appropriate setting for
theological proclamations of who is, and who is not, the true
Messiah. Perhaps at Bob Jones University it is appropriate for an
honorary degree recipient to declare Jesus to be the only king of
the United States, but the steps of the Capitol should not be
confused with the lectern of a denominational church.

 The inauguration ended with another Protestant minister
inviting all who agree that Jesus is "the Christ" to say, "Amen"
(ironically, a word that originated in Jewish prayer or,
alternatively, originally a Jewish acronym for "God, the King,
forever.") Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.), along with many
others who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, was put in
the position of either denying his own faith or remaining silent
while others around him all said, "Amen." This is precisely the
position in which young public school students are placed when
"voluntary" prayer is conducted at school events. If they join in
prayer that is inconsistent with their religious beliefs, they
have been coerced into violating their conscience. If they leave
or refuse to join, they stand out as different among their peers.
No student should be put in that position by their public schools
at an assembly, just as no public official should be placed in
that situation by their government at an inauguration.

 If George W. Bush wants all Americans to accept him as their
president, he made an inauspicious beginning by sandwiching his
unity speech between two divisive, sectarian and inappropriate
prayers.

- - -

Alan M. Dershowitz Is a Professor at Harvard Law School

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Making a Point Regarding Disclaimers

[Nessie]

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>The people at this agency are delighted 


And what agency might that be?





>You know nothing about me nor my qualifications


Nor which agency you work for. 


But we can guess.

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[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] IHT: The Third Way Globalist in Davos don't like Bush fils, or the horse he rode in on.

[Amelia]

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These International Economists are totally ignoring the fact
that this is only one minor reason for the tax cut, too
small to correct a recession any way.  The domestic reasons
are of far greater weight in this decision. While it is
hoped it will positively effect the economy as a whole, it
was a campaign promise made before the economy took its down
turn.  Everybody knows more and better about America's
business than Americans!  Well, they enjoy thinking they do
any way.  Some of these people need to mind their own damn
business.
AKE
- Original Message -
From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 12:02 AM
Subject: [CTRL] IHT: The Third Way Globalist in Davos don't
like Bush fils, or the horse he rode in on.


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Senior Economists Cast Doubt on U.S. Tax Plan
>
> By Tom Buerkle
> International Herald Tribune
> Friday, January 26, 2001
>
> DAVOS, Switzerland Senior international economists
remained
> distinctly skeptical about the merits of the tax cuts
proposed by
> President George W. Bush despite the apparent conversion
of the
> Federal Reserve Board chairman, Alan Greenspan, to the
cause of
> tax reduction on Thursday.
>
> The economists, who were participating in the World
Economic
> Forum here, were unanimous in rejecting the idea that tax
cuts
> are an effective antidote to the slowdown gripping the
U.S.
> economy. Given the time needed to win political support
for tax
> cuts, any reduction would likely take effect when the
economy was
> already in recovery mode, they said.
>

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[CTRL] Loon: Bush Body Count

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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http://www.bk2k.com/bushbodycount/home.html


If the Dead Could Speak

This is a list of bodies, a roster of the dead, who might have
been called Witnesses had they not met their untimely deaths. All
these people were associated with the name of Bush, and
coincidence aside, did not live to tell the tale. Some of the
names on this list will give you pause. Some are rumor. Some you
may find incredible, and some ridiculous. Do your own research.
You will draw your own conclusions. I make no assertion but this:

If the dead could speak, perhaps the loudest and most tragic
voice would be that of Democracy, who died December 12, 2000,
when the Supreme Court of the United States stopped a legally
mandated count of ballots, votes that had never been counted,
effectively appointing Bush to the White House, even as it became
ever more clear that he was not the true winner. Subsequent media
recounts have shown that Al Gore was indeed the winner of the
popular vote of Florida and hence the Presidency of the United
States, but it appears as though the fix was in.

Ask yourself, can they get away with it? The answer - only if you
let them. Spread the word:

George W. Bush is not our President.

http://www.bk2k.com/bushbodycount/bodies.html


Paul Wilcher

His partially decomposed body was found in his home, still seated
on the toilet. According to the Washington Times, "...he was
investigating the theory of an 'October Surprise' conspiracy
during the 1980 federal election campaign. He had been
interviewing an inmate who claimed to have piloted George Bush to
Paris so he could secretly seek to delay the release of 52
American hostages in Iran."


Sid Adger

Mr. Adger, a Houston oil supply company executive and Bush family
friend, died in 1996 of unknown causes. Adger was the mysterious
businessman who approached General James Rose and asked him to
help George W. Bush avoid Vietnam by recommending him for a pilot
position with the National Guard.


General James Rose

General Rose recommended George W. Bush for a pilot position with
the Texas National Guard. He died of unknown causes in 1993. He
was immediately buried and no autopsy was performed.


Orlando Letelier

He was torn to bits by a car bomb on the streets of Washington DC
just before he was to testify against the Chilean dictator
Pinochet. After the bombing, CIA Director George H. W. Bush told
the FBI that there had been no Chilean involvement whatsoever. In
1991 the post-Pinochet Chilean Supreme Court asked George H. W.
Bush if he would submit to questioning. BUSH REFUSED.


Ronni Moffit

She was Letelier's assistant. She and her husband were riding in
the car with Letelier when the bomb exploded. Mr. Moffit
survived. Ronni didn't.


Amiram Nir

He was a former Israeli agent who was in Jerusalem with George
Bush during Iran Contra. He went under the assumed name of Pat
Weber. Nir was scheduled to testify to the Senate subcommittee
and it was feared he would reveal the truth. He perished when his
aircraft was shot down with missiles from the helicopter of a man
called Gene Tatum, 25-year CIA deep cover agent.


Senator John Tower

He was appointed by the Reagan/Bush Administration to chair the
bipartisan committee to investigate the Iran/Contra scandals. He
directed the Tower Report and had all the Iran Contra documents
that told the real story. He was killed in an airplane crash
later in Georgia in 1991. Also killed was his daughter, Marian.


Mario Ruiz Massieu

An apparent suicide, Massieu was facing charges that he laundered
money for the cocaine cartels. A Houston, Texas jury had found
that $8 million in his bank accounts was paid to him by cocaine
cartels.


Steve Kangas

His web site, Liberalism Resurgent, was meticulously researched
and presented such a problem to the "real boss" of George Bush,
Richard Scaife, that he hired a private detective to look into
Kangas' past. Steve Kangas was found in a 39th-floor bathroom
outside of Scaife's offices at One Oxford Centre, in Pittsburgh,
an apparent suicide. Mr. Kangas, a very prolific writer, left no
note. He had brought a fully-packed suitcase of clothes with him
to Pittsburgh. He bought a burglar alarm shortly before he left
for Pittsburgh. Why did he need a burglar alarm if he was going
to commit suicide? An avowed advocate of gun control, he
nevertheless bought a gun. What was he afraid of? Why did he go
to Pittsburgh? After his death, his computer was sold for $150
and its hard drive wiped clean. Everything in his apartment was
thrown away.


Mohammed Zia al-huk

Dictator of Pakistan, and knew all about Iran/Contra, the
training, funding, and arming of narco-terrorists like Osama bin
Laden. In August 1988, the same day George Bush got the
Republican nomination, his plane crashed into the ground with all
engines running. The Pakistanis kept the bodies around (in
violation of Islamic custom) for weeks, awaiting US experts. They
showed up three weeks later and never checked the bodies. Why

[CTRL] Rebel Land Deal Angers Colombians

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

{{  Now some people would demand to know whether or not I
"endorse" this post when I have absolutely no opinion and
consider it merely a link in forming one.  I am not familiar
with the author but AP has an OK reputation
so--hhuumm--endorse or not?  I suppose the land deal would
anger SOME but it just says "residents" so I do not know if
this is a majority or not.  But I must state whether or not
I personally endorse it so that I can be personally attacked
rather than the article itself in case some on this list
disagree.  Such a dilemma. AKE}}

Rebel Land Deal Angers Colombians
by JUAN PABLO TORO
Associated Press Writer


BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- With the government nearing a deal
to give rebels control over a Delaware-sized territory, the
area's residents expressed anger Saturday that plans were
going ahead despite their objections.

Delegates from the government and the leftist guerrilla
group, National Liberation Army, or ELN, presented residents
in Bolivar State on Friday with the first concrete details
of the demilitarized zone where peace talks would be held.

Rebel control over the 1,860-square-mile territory would
last for nine months and it would be patrolled by locally
appointed civic police and an international monitoring
committee of 150 people to ensure that the rights of
residents living in the area are protected, according to the
84-point plan, published Saturday in El Tiempo newspaper.

Hundreds of police and soldiers currently in the area would
have to leave the demilitarized zone, which would encompass
the towns of Cantagallo and San Pablo, 185 miles north of
the capital Bogota, according to the document.

Commanders of the 5,000-strong ELN have vowed to honor
residents' rights and to refrain from using their stronghold
to harbor kidnap victims for ransom -- a major source of
their financing.

But residents -- fearing the kind of heavy-fisted rule
reported inside a larger demilitarized zone controlled by
another rebel army -- have threatened protests and
roadblocks if the government approves the plan. They said
the government should have consulted with them while
drafting the document.

''How is it possible to discuss the rules without talking
with the communities?'' said Lincoln Castilla, a member of
an organization opposed to the zone, during an interview
with local Radionet radio station on Saturday.

Preparations to cede territory to the ELN began early last
year but were shelved after residents mounted roadblocks and
demonstrations. The plan was rekindled when the ELN last
December released 42 police and soldiers it had captured
during fighting, a signal for many that the rebels wanted
peace after more than three decades of fighting.

Since then, the government has been meeting with residents
and rebel commanders to formalize the deal.

The government appeared to be closing in on an agreement
with the ELN as the deadline looms on the Switzerland-size
territory ceded two years ago to the Revolutionary Armed
Forces of Colombia, or FARC.

The 15,000-strong FARC froze peace negotiations with the
government in November. The two sides were meeting inside
FARC-controlled territory Saturday and Colombian President
Andres Pastrana must decide by next Wednesday if he'll
continue to allow rebels to reside there. Hundreds of
soldiers have been airlifted to the region to uproot the
guerrillas if Pastrana decides to end the concession.

  Copyright © Newsday, Inc. Produced by Newsday Electronic
Publishing.

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[CTRL] IHT: The Third Way Globalist in Davos don't like Bush fils, or the horse he rode in on.

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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Senior Economists Cast Doubt on U.S. Tax Plan

By Tom Buerkle
International Herald Tribune
Friday, January 26, 2001

DAVOS, Switzerland Senior international economists remained
distinctly skeptical about the merits of the tax cuts proposed by
President George W. Bush despite the apparent conversion of the
Federal Reserve Board chairman, Alan Greenspan, to the cause of
tax reduction on Thursday.

The economists, who were participating in the World Economic
Forum here, were unanimous in rejecting the idea that tax cuts
are an effective antidote to the slowdown gripping the U.S.
economy. Given the time needed to win political support for tax
cuts, any reduction would likely take effect when the economy was
already in recovery mode, they said.

"I think it requires an unwarranted leap of faith to think you
can time a tax cut well enough" to avert a recession, said Alan
Blinder, an economics professor at Princeton University and
former Fed vice chairman.

Jacob Frenkel, chairman of the sovereign advisory group at
Merrill Lynch Co. and former head of Israel's central bank, said:
"By its nature, you will end up fighting the previous war. We
have learned too many times that the fine-tuning does not work in
this way."

The economists made it clear that their opposition was focused
specifically on the $1.6 trillion tax cut proposed by Mr. Bush
during the campaign, not on tax cuts per se. "I think they're too
much," Mr. Blinder said.

Mr. Greenspan's endorsement of tax cuts in Congressional
testimony Thursday went much further than his qualified
expressions of support in the past, but he refrained from
commenting directly on the Bush package.

He also appeared to straddle the question of timing. He noted
that past attempts to cut taxes "have proved difficult to
implement" in the time frame of recessions, but he added, "should
current economic weakness spread beyond what now appears likely,
having a tax cut in place may, in fact, do noticeable good."

Mr. Frenkel said he had spoken privately with Mr. Greenspan about
tax cuts and was in full agreement with him. Tax cuts are good
for bolstering long-term supply incentives in the economy, not
for moderating the business cycle, he said. "Have a tax structure
that's good for the winter and the summer, not a Mickey Mouse
plan to deal with the ups and downs of the economy," Mr. Frenkel
said.

Juergen von Hagen, professor at the Center for European
Integration Studies at the University of Bonn, expressed concern
that tax cuts could worsen the U.S. current account deficit by
stimulating more consumption that increases imports.

Others worried that fresh fiscal stimulus could tie the hands of
Mr. Greenspan and limit the potential for interest-rate
reductions. That concern was evident in the U.S. bond market on
Thursday as prices fell, and yields rose, as some participants
downgraded their expectations for rate reductions.

"The real problem with these tax cuts is they disturb monetary
policy," said Kenneth Courtis, a senior economist at Goldman
Sachs Co.

Mr. Greenspan may have few such fears because he is aware of the
long and uncertain timetable that will confront any tax plan that
Mr. Bush sends to Congress. In this view, the chairman was
demonstrating political astuteness by supporting tax cuts in
principle but giving himself plenty of room to argue about the
details later on.

As Mr. Blinder put it, "no Fed chairman wants to pick a fight
with a new president right off the bat."

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[CTRL] PBP: Disputed ballots held potential gains for Gore

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

[What's this about GWB's "537-vote statewide margin of victory?"
That's the lowest of the several numbers certified at various
times in the saga, and that includes questionable (and
predominately Gore) votes from the manual counts that the SCOFLA
commanded and SCOTUS rejected.]


http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_3.html

Disputed ballots held potential gains for Gore

By Joel Engelhardt, Scott McCabe and Christine Stapleton
Palm Beach Post
Staff Writers
Saturday, January 27, 2001


Palm Beach Post ballot review: How we did it

WEST PALM BEACH -- If Democrats had gotten their way and dimpled
ballots in Palm Beach County had been counted as votes, Al Gore
would have picked up 682 votes, which is more than President
George W. Bush's 537-vote statewide margin of victory, according
toThe Palm Beach Post's examination of disputed ballots.

Additionally, the analysis shows that more than two-thirds of the
disputed ballots were cast on Data Punch voting machines even
though those machines accounted for less than one-third of the
462,644 ballots cast in the county.

Democrats said the numbers justify their belief that Al Gore
should have won Florida. Republicans scoff, saying the U.S.
Supreme Court made it clear that the disputed, dimpled ballots
should not count.

Of the 14,500 ballots that the Palm Beach County Canvassing Board
examined in November, the 4,513 under-votes reviewed this month
by The Post are the ones where the board decided no vote had been
cast but Democratic or GOP observers disagreed. The board set
those ballots aside for possible court review, but no court did,
from the circuit level in Tallahassee to the U.S. Supreme Court
in Washington.

Of the disputed ballots, 2,500 had marks -- some faint, some
heavy, some with holes but most without -- for Gore. Those with
similar marks for Bush numbered 1,818.

That 682-vote gain for Gore would have been in addition to his
174-vote gain found during Palm Beach County's 10-day hand
recount. Those results, submitted after the 5 p.m. Nov. 26
deadline, were not accepted by Florida's secretary of state in
the certified 537-vote Bush victory.

The Post also found that the precincts with the most disputed
under-votes were not those with a majority of black or elderly
voters. They were not particularly Democrat or Republican. But
they were overwhelmingly Data Punch.

Of the disputed under-votes cast at polling places (as opposed to
those cast by absentee voters), 67.8 percent were cast on the
Data Punch machines, which are newer and less costly than the
county's other type of punch-card voting machine, the Votomatic.

While Republicans argued that many voters may have touched the
ballot with the stylus, leaving a dimple, before deciding not to
vote for president, mechanical engineering tests commissioned by
The Post this month found that it's slightly harder to punch out
a chad in a Data Punch machine.

Supervisor of Elections Theresa LePore, a canvassing board
member, said she has not yet had time to study the error-rate in
Data Punch machines. However, she said, "There appears to be some
kind of a problem with ballots in those machines."

She said she would not use Data Punch machines in the March 13
municipal elections, and unless the ballot is crowded, voters
would not be asked to punch the first column, in which the
presidential votes were cast. She said those decisions were not
colored by the machine's record during the presidential election.

County Court Judge Charles Burton, another canvassing board
member, said he saw more dimples in the first column than
elsewhere on the ballot among the 14,500 ballots he reviewed.
Democrats argued in court that the mechanics of the machine,
combined with the heavy use of the first column, made it harder
to punch out a chad there.

The Post's tests of machines, conducted by a Florida Atlantic
University mechanical engineering professor, found chads dislodge
more easily from the center of the ballot than they do along the
top, bottom and sides.

Nearly 44 percent of the registered voters in the Data Punch
precincts that produced disputed ballots are Democrats and about
36 percent are Republican. Most are white -- 90.2 percent. And
less than half -- 40.2 percent -- are older than 64.

While about half of the under-votes and over-votes cast in Palm
Beach County came from precincts that are majority elderly or
black, only two of the 10 precincts with the most disputed
ballots are majority elderly and none is majority black.

LePore questioned the validity of the ballot review, for which
she is charging $125 an hour. Aside from The Post, reviews are
being conducted by The Miami Herald, the Republican Party of
Florida and Judicial Watch, a conservative governmental watchdog
group.

She said she doubted any true count can be accomplished without
examining all ballots cast on Election Day "because you don't
know what the machine counted for those."

LePore directed the hand reco

[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Govt. To Decide Where You Can Sleep ??!?

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

Remember the article I posted this week about the BATF being
upset to find the woman was not sleeping in bed with the man
they shot and killed, firing through the walls?
Interesting they want everybody in a predictable [;ace.
Amelia

- Original Message -
From: "John Cone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Govt. To Decide Where You Can Sleep ??!?


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> --- "Martin F. Abernathy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  The totalitarian trend continues in the
>  "land of the  free" !
>   A proposed law that would let Fairfax County
>  prohibit its residents from
>  sleeping in rooms other than a bedroom has won
>  approval in the state Senate."
> ___
>
> If this becomes law, and it gets enforced,
> a lot of people will be arrested at work,
> at school and at church.
>
>
> __

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[CTRL] [OT] NM: Air Force One Loot Turns Up on E-Bay

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

Newsmax-Inside Cover
Saturday Jan. 27, 2001; 2:37 p.m. EST

Air Force One Loot Turns Up on E-Bay

Rare presidential souvenirs similar to the ones taken from Air
Force One when Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton used the
aircraft for their final trip home to New York have popped up on
the internet auction site E-Bay.com, United Press International
reported Saturday.

Giving the first family the benefit of the doubt, UPI suggested
the missing items had been taken by "Clinton staffers" and noted,
"there is no indication that some of the (auction) items were
among items taken from the plane."

But dealers in collectables told the wire service that it was
unusual for such a large number of presidential souvenirs to
become available so soon after the transfer of power.

"These are very hard-to-get items. They are not mass marketed and
are only made for the White House, so we don't see a lot of
them," one trader said.

The items up for sale included a White House guest bathrobe,
current bid $305; a leather air travel bag, with Air Force One
logo ($360) and an Air Force One humidor - item # 544207091 --
emblazoned with the president's seal, for more than $2,000 - 48
cigars included.

The presidential souvenirs were put on sale between Jan. 17 and
Jan. 21.

It's unclear just who took the missing Air Force One
collectables, but Mrs. Clinton was accused this past week of
soliciting expensive gifts prior to her White House departure to
help furnish her New York and Washington homes.

Add to that her reputation for thriftiness, which apparently
knows no bounds. The Clintons' IRS returns showed she took tax
deductions during the 1980's for donating her husband's used
underwear to charity.


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[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to "hurt" Women

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

Oh, yes,you did and I have the post.  As for your
testosterone-crazed existence, who cares!  But be that as it
may, the fact remains that a Native American (not correct
terminology--can't recall) came on this list and her name
was ridiculed, she was sent to ebay for a new scalp or skin
or whatever and she was threatened to be hurt over the
writings of somebody else.  Most interesting is who did
these contemptible things? Those mean old racist
conservative/libertarian/republicans?  NN!  It was the
far left-wingers showing their true colors once more for our
reading pleasure.  BTW, I';; be happy to leave when and if
Kris invites me to do so.  Until then, you have absolutely
no right to keep telling people to get out.  You seem to
forget often that 'tis not your list.
Amelia
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have
a right to "hurt" Women


-Caveat Lector-

>NESSIE, as for your threats to "hurt" the poster,


I did no such thing. I merely defined the conditions under
which I
would hurt the poster (or anybody else, for that matter). I
did this by
once again restating the by now well known fact that I
require people in
my physical presence to treat me and my friends with
respect. That's how
I live my life. If you don't like it, too bad. If you don’t
like us,
keep it to yourself and go somewhere else.

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[CTRL] Videotape implicating Peru's ex-spy chief disappears

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

Videotape implicating Peru's ex-spy chief disappears

By CRAIG MAURO, Associated Press

LIMA, Peru (January 27, 2001 12:06 a.m. EST
http://www.nandotimes.com) - A compromising videotape
secretly made by Peru's fugitive ex-spy chief has
disappeared from the offices of prosecutors probing alleged
wrongdoing linked to Vladimiro Montesinos, the state
attorney said Friday.

Jose Ugaz said the video showed judges in secretly recorded
meetings with the former spymaster -- possibly implicating
them in illicit acts. "This is a very grave act and it
warrants a severe investigation," Ugaz told reporters.

The news capped a week in which videos secretly filmed by
Montesinos have led to criminal probes against the former
head of Peru's election board, three Supreme Court judges, a
mayor, a former minister and a lawmaker who helped lead a
congressional investigation of the former intelligence chief
and his alleged accomplices.

Authorities are combing through some 700 tapes confiscated
from the apartment of Montesinos, who for a decade was
former President Alberto Fujimori's top adviser. Peruvians
weary of scandal have dubbed them "Vladi-videos."

Judge Saul Pena, who is overseeing the Montesinos case in
the judiciary, said 70 of the 700 tapes have been reviewed,
and that at least 20 contain incriminating evidence against
politicians, judges, businessmen, bankers, police and
military officers.

Montesinos, a once-powerful figure, fled the country last
fall after a video showed him apparently bribing a
congressman. Ensuing scandals surrounding Montesinos led
Fujimori to flee in November.

The tapes were presumably recorded to hold over the heads of
Montesinos' rivals and accomplices.

Montesinos is believed to have operated a criminal empire
involving arms deals, drug trafficking and graft that
permeated the Congress, judiciary, the media and the armed
forces.

Earlier Friday, the videos led to the arrest of Tomas
Gonzales, a former minister in Fujimori's cabinet, and Luis
Bedoya, the current mayor of Miraflores, an upscale Lima
district.

Bedoya admitted Friday to accepting a "donation" from
Montesinos for his 1999 mayoral campaign but said it was an
"insignificant" amount. Bedoya beat a politician considered
hostile to Fujimori in the election.

Perhaps the most numbing blow for Peruvians came Tuesday
when Congressman Ernesto Gamarra was shown in a video
apparently taking a bribe from a Montesinos front man.
Gamarra was vice president of a congressional commission
investigating the origins of $70 million in frozen bank
accounts linked to Montesinos.




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Re: [CTRL] Govt. To Decide Where You Can Sleep ??!?

[John Cone]

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--- "Martin F. Abernathy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 The totalitarian trend continues in the
 "land of the  free" !
  A proposed law that would let Fairfax County
 prohibit its residents from
 sleeping in rooms other than a bedroom has won
 approval in the state Senate."
___

If this becomes law, and it gets enforced,
a lot of people will be arrested at work,
at school and at church.


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[CTRL] Govt. To Decide Where You Can Sleep ??!?

[Martin F. Abernathy]

-Caveat Lector-

The totalitarian trend continues in the "land of the free" !



RICHMOND, Va. (January 27, 2001 9:44 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) -

A proposed law that would let Fairfax County prohibit its residents from
sleeping in rooms other than a bedroom has won approval in the state Senate.
The legislation passed Friday by a vote of 20 to 19, but the bill's
detractors demanded it be reconsidered Monday.

Gerald E. Connolly, a county Board of Supervisors member, said the
legislation made him uncomfortable. "I have a lot of problems with government
telling people where they can or cannot sleep," Connolly said. "As far as I
know, this bill was not introduced at the behest of Fairfax County."

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[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Making a Point Regarding Disclaimers

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

Stating that they do not know if a post is true or not
cannot be labeled as an endorsement and that is all that is
needed.  People do not have to state whether or not they
endorse a post.  It is sufficient that a lack of endorsement
is stated.  Why do you so desperately need to know if people
endorse a post? You DO plan to dispute the article and not
the person, so you do not need to know what the person
thinks unless you are trying to start a fight, as usual.
Endorsement is an opinion and many times people do not have
an opinion about daily events.  Most read and wait to see
what develops and use some higher level of reasoning than
you are suggesting.  There are far too many posts made for
people to have to so lightly form "opinions" about each one
which is what you seem to require.  Only a fool would
endorse every newsarticle that they run across.  My opinion
is you want people to "endorse" every article so that you
will be able to continue to attack the poster rather than
the post.And this is the ONLY reason a person would so
desperately want to know how people feel or believe about a
particular  posts.  You are very transparent.  Your delight
at attacking other posters is showing.  Why can't you just
attack with "This article" rather than "You"?
Just not as much fun for vicious people like you, that's
why.  The very fact that you DEMAND to know if a person
endorses a post is proof in and of itself what your little
plans are--attacking that person based on something they
might believe.  You are not content to disagree with a post
or an article, you want a fight with another poster.  That
is totally obvious from what you say and if you can't see
it, you are the only one.

You know nothing about me nor my qualifications, either, nor
whether or not I would be useful in the capacities
discussed.  The people at this agency are delighted and have
given me an appreciation luncheon so your opinion is just
that and worthless to me.  I care not what a person
desperately trying to preserve their right to bash other
posters thinks.
Amelia

- Original Message -
From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 9:07 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Making a Point Regarding Disclaimers


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> The following is from the David Icke list...
>
> I don't know if what is included in the post is 'true' or
not...
>
> By making the above statement, have I 'disclaimed' whether
I believe or endorse what is in the post?  ;-)
>
>
> June
>
> - Original Message -
>
> > > YaPool speaks:
> > >
> > > We announce the arrival of the Big Motherships.
> > > A temporal approach of Astral Stations to Earth
> > > is taking place.
> > > They are part of a  multi-sized 30 stations
> > > fleet , with an average diameter
> > > of 300 Km.
> > > They belong to a coordinate program carried by
> > > the Galactic Federation of
> > > Astral Peoples, aimed to reestablish on the
> > > Earth suface the original
> > > temporal coordinates, strongly altered by the
> > > pernicious infestation of the
> > > parasite alien colony that has seized the Earth
> > > surface.
> > >
> > > The powerful decision made  by the
> > > Confederation Astral Fleet to hover above
> > > the Earth skies, will produce a global
> > > obscuration phenomenon and the system
> > > sudden collapse,  not absolutely prepared to
> > > face such a drastic mutation.
> > > Your reality shall necessarily confront itself
> > > with something which is by
> > > far the most unimaginable ever faced by your
> > > science and by your knowledge
> > > in the whole history of your race

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[CTRL] NEWS from the indymedia newswire

[BR Wahl]

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Story from the indymedia newswire

Checkout independent media coverage of politics, protest, and life
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Article by: Mike Whybark
Tuesday 23 Jan 2001

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Summary:House Bill on flor currently reverses three anti-assassination executive 
orders - theoretically opening you and I, brothers and sisters, to legally sanctioned 
govermental murder without trial

Article:
this was forwarded to me by a good friend - everything I reviewed checked out
---
This has not hit the papers.  And yes, this is completely genuine.

The Bush crowd has wasted no time.

The bill reproduced below would eliminate all prohibitions on
assassination, which are codified into law only through the Executive
Order clauses that Rep. Barr seeks to nullify in Sec. 3 below.  I\'ve
appended the relevant clauses for your reference.

It was introduced Jan. 3, along with over 120 other bills. It was the same
day they elected the new speaker.  The chairman of the committee this bill
was forwarded to is Henry Hyde, an old friend of (sometimes illegal)
spook ops. Obviously, that does not bode well.

This bill specifically \"targets\" terrorists (i.e. Osama bin Laden).
However, I hasten to remind everyone that during the Reagan
Administration, the official US list of \"terrorist groups\" included such
perfectly legal and 100% non-violent domestic activist groups as CISPES
and the Progressive Student Network.  (If memory serves me, even
SANE/Freeze was on that list, but I\'m not positive.)

In the post-WTO-protest world, esp. with an Atty. Gen. like Ashcroft (or
back-up nominee Slade Gorton), just imagine how many of us or our friends
could wind up on such a list, and thus as potential targets for executive
action.


Source: http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aaces002.html
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[DOCID: f:h19ih.txt]

107th CONGRESS
  1st Session
 H. R. 19

   To nullify the effect of certain provisions of various Executive
orders.

___

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 3, 2001

 Mr. Barr of Georgia introduced the following bill; which was referred
  to the Committee on International Relations

___

 A BILL


   To nullify the effect of certain provisions of various Executive
orders.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ``Terrorist Elimination Act of 2001\'\'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress finds that--
(1) past Presidents have issued Executive orders which
severely limit the use of the military when dealing with
potential threats against the United States of America;
(2) these Executive orders limit the swift, sure, and
precise action needed by the United States to protect our
national security;
(3) present strategy allows the military forces to bomb
large targets hoping to eliminate a terrorist leader, but
prevents our country from designing a limited action which
would specifically accomplish that purpose;
(4) on several occasions the military has been ordered to
use a military strike hoping, in most cases unsuccessfully, to
remove a terrorist leader who has committed crimes against the
United State;
(5) as the threat from terrorism grows, America must
continue to investigate effective ways to combat the menace
posed by those who would murder American citizens simply to
make a political point; and
(6) actions by the United States Government to remove such
persons is a remedy which should be used sparingly and
considered only after all other reasonable options have failed
or are not available; however, this is an option our country
must maintain for cases in which international threats cannot
be eliminated by other means.

SEC. 3. NULLIFICATION OF EFFECT OF CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF VARIOUS
  EXECUTIVE ORDERS.

The following provisions of Executive orders shall have no further
force or effect:
(1) Section 5(g) of Executive Order 11905.
(2) Section 2-305 of Executive Order 12036.
(3) Section 2.11 of Executive Order 12333.
 


[end]




+


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[CTRL] NEWSMAX: Indo Power Deals Blows Edison Financial Fuse

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/1/26/192056.shtml


Power Corrupts
Edison Indonesian power deal blows financial fuse

by Charles R. Smith
"SOFTWAR"


The residents of California are suffering from a blackout.  Not
one of electric power but of the news.  The mainstream media,
including Time/CNN, continue to maintain the recent spate of
financial short-circuits inside California's energy grid are all
due to state economic and environmental regulations.  Nothing
could be further from the truth.

In 1994, Edison Mission Energy landed a trade trip with Ron Brown
to Indonesia.  As a result of that trip, Edison also ended up
with a contract to build the Paiton I coal fired power plant.
Paiton I was billed as the first "private" electric plant in
Indonesia.  In 1994, "private" ownership in Indonesia equated
into owned and operated by the Suharto "First Family."

The partners in the Paiton I consortium include Edison Mission
Energy, Mitsui & Co., Ltd. of Japan, General Electric Capital
Corporation, and P.T. Batu Hitam Perkasa.  Just by co-incidence,
of course, PT Batu was owned by Indonesian dictator Suharto's
youngest daughter, Titek Prabowo and her brother-in-law, Hashim
Djojohadikusumo.

According to the Commerce Dept., ".75%" of the Paiton project was
reserved for Suharto's daughter Prabowo, or an instant $15
million in cash.  Her kickback, along with a cut for
"brother-in-law" Hashim and various other Suharto relatives, was
to be provided up front, in cash, in the form of a $50 million
loan.  The $50 million loan was to be paid back by the profits or
dividends from the power plant.

The U.S. Commerce Department was not the only agency to take
notice of Edison's special contract with Suharto's daughter.  In
1994, agents from the Central Intelligence Agency met with
China-Gate figure John Huang on the Paiton Power Plant.  The 1994
meeting between the intelligence agency and Huang included
detailed information about the $2.6 billion Paiton electric power
plant for Indonesia.

According to the documents, CIA agents Bob Beamer, Chris Crosby,
Lia Fidas and Nancy Goldcamp attended an August 1994 "TPCC" or
"Trade Policy Coordinating Committee" meeting with John Huang.
The subject of the CIA meeting was U.S. government financed trade
deals that contained "first family involvement" or illegal
payments made to relatives of then Indonesian dictator Suharto.

A 1994 Commerce Department report found in Huang's files noted
that the Indonesian "Paiton" power plant had encountered
difficulties with financing because the "Asian Development Bank
(ADB)" knew it contained money for a Suharto family member.

"ADB had raised concern about first family involvement during its
consideration of the $50 million financial portion," states the
Paiton Project document found in Huang's files.

"Ambassador Barry stated that the project is facing two problems
(i) the ADB financing may cave in and (ii) EXIM financing.
Regarding ADB, technical questions have been satisfied, but ADB
is skiddish about involvement of Indonesia's first family (a
minority shareholder is married to Pres. Suharto's daughter)."

In addition, 1994 documents provided by the Offshore Private
Investment Corporation (OPIC) noted that Suharto's daughter
Prabowo and her brother-in-law, Hashim Djojohadikusumo, were
given a total "2.5%" ownership in the U.S. sponsored power
project, through their local company BHP.

"ADB is still considering this, b/c of very minimal involvement
of Indo ruling family in the Mission project...  ADB's delay
revolves around concern for projects in Indonesia involving the
first family.  .75% ownership of the Mission project by daughter
of Indo pres."

Directly after meeting with the CIA on the known Suharto "first
family" involvement inside the Edison Paiton power project, Huang
proceeded to place a three hour call to his former employer, the
Lippo Group.  In 1999, John Huang pled guilty to Federal charges
of making illegal political contributions to the Clinton/Gore
campaign.  Huang took the Fifth Amendment more than two thousand
times when asked by Judicial Watch if he had ties to Chinese
intelligence.

The documents show that Edison officials were aware of the $50
million destine for Suharto's daughter.  Newly released documents
also show that Edison Chairman John Bryson actually pressed the
Secretary Ron Brown to support the $50 no-pay back loan.

Federal Election Commission records show that Mission Energy CEO
John Bryson donated money to the Clinton/Gore campaign and
contributed money to President Clinton's legal defense fund.  In
1994, Bryson also wrote a personal letter to Brown, pressing for
quick approval of the $50 million U.S. government backed loan.

Dear Ron," wrote John Bryson, then Chairman of Southern
California Edison.  "I am writing to request your support of the
application of the Paiton Private Power Project in Indonesia for
funding by the Asian Development Bank (ADB)."

"We have applied to the AD

[CTRL] HE: Huang Took Fifth on Chinese Money

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

Lawyers Cited Lack of Immunity for Potential Espionage Charges

Huang Took Fifth on Chinese Money

By Terence P.  Jeffrey
Human Events

Reports of the death of the Justice Department’s campaign finance
investigation have been greatly exaggerated.

In fact, with Bill Clinton gone from the White House, and Janet
Reno’s tenure as attorney general terminated, the most important
phase of that investigation may be only just beginning.

If so, it is beginning, ironically, in the very same place as the
first phase: with John Huang refusing to answer questions.

But this time Huang’s refusals may portend something far
different from what they did last time–because this time Huang is
a witness cooperating with the government. And now his onetime
boss, Lippo Group President James Riady, may also become a
government witness.

And Janet Reno is no longer attorney general of the United
States.

What would be the purpose of making a deal for Riady’s
cooperation unless there were parties in this case more important
than Riady whom government prosecutors would like to pursue with
the evidence and testimony Riady can provide?

Who could such parties be?

Court documents and a November 6 deposition in which Huang was
questioned by Judicial Watch President Larry Klayman offer some
clues.

Hooking a Bigger Fish?

In the deposition, Huang repeatedly invoked his 5th Amendment
right against self-incrimination.  In most, but not all,
instances, the magistrate judge monitoring the deposition cited
Huang for contempt.

Huang had two rationales for taking the 5th, according to his
lawyers. First, a federal appeals court opinion, called the
Perkins case, holds that a witness does not have to answer the
same question twice in the same legal proceeding.  (Klayman has
deposed Huang on five occasions, both before and after Huang’s
plea agreement.) But secondly, Huang’s plea agreement did not
immunize him against prosecution if he is found to have violated
national security or anti-espionage laws.

"Anything he says here is not immunized against him for any
federal prosecutions for espionage or related crimes," Huang’s
attorney Ty Cobb told the judge at the deposition.

John C.  Keeney, another attorney for Huang, said in an interview
with Human Events that, as a simple matter of legal prudence, he
and Cobb could not allow Huang to answer some deposition
questions that related to foreign persons, entities or issues.
"If we did not assert the 5th Amendment, it would be legal
malpractice," said Keeney–who teaches legal ethics at American
University.

Keeney further noted that the plea agreement in which the
government reserves the right to prosecute Huang for any possible
espionage or national security violations also includes language
stating that prosecutors are not "currently" aware of evidence
that would support such charges.

"The United States will not prosecute you for any other
violations of federal law based on conduct related to events
disclosed by the defendant or otherwise known to the government
other than those laws relating to national security or espionage
(economic or otherwise), occurring before the date this agreement
is signed by you," says the plea agreement.  "The United States
represents that it is not currently aware of evidence which would
support any charges of violations of the relevant national
security or espionage statutes.  You understand and agree that
the United States is free to prosecute you for any unlawful past
conduct relating to national security or espionage or for any
illegal conduct that occurs after the date this Agreement is
signed."

The government also indicated that it understood Huang was likely
to invoke the 5th Amendment if later asked certain questions in
venues where he had not been granted immunity.  "[S]ince
defendant Huang’s plea agreement leaves open the possibility of
subsequent prosecutions for violations of espionage and national
security statutes, he will obviously retain a 5th Amendment right
with respect to questions in this area, even after his guilty
plea and sentencing," Assistant U.S. Attorney Daniel J.
O’Brien, a member of the Justice Department’s Campaign Financing
Task Force, told Huang’s sentencing judge.

As of now, Federal District Judge Royce Lamberth, who has
authority over the magistrate who monitored the deposition, has
not certified the contempt citations against Huang lodged by that
magistrate.  If he does, Huang will appeal to the Circuit Court
of Appeals for the District of Columbia.  In one venue or the
other, Huang’s attorneys are confident that a proper reading of
his 5th Amendment rights will prevail over the contempt
citations.

Nonetheless, the government’s reservation of the right to
prosecute Huang for espionage or national security violations,
and Huang’s invocation of the 5th Amendment in the first place,
demonstrate that the campaign finance investigation still must
answer the biggest questions it has faced since the outset: What
was 

[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

Er, inri, my children are Hispanic.  They do not utter
racial slurs nor do I nor does any member of my family.  The
blacks where I live often make more money than the whites.
There are about five counties in my state with a Black
MAJORITY population.  All major cities in the south have
black mayors and chiefs of police as do many large cities in
this country.  Your "superior" education has enabled you to
utter simplistic solutions to a very complex problem.  You
do not have a clue about which you are blathering.  Whatever
the causation of problems in the US educational system, it
is much more complex than those  to which you attribute it.
I assure you if it were as simple and clear-cut as you seem
to think, we could solve it.  As I said originally, you
cannot grasp the situation from there.  As a parent, I doubt
you would be willing to 'sacrifice' your child in the causes
you state.  I do not care if I am called a racist any more
because of the ignorance of the people who use that as an
excuse and refuse to place any of the blame on those causing
the element of criminality to flourish in public schools.
Amelia
P. S. With our inferior educational system I wonder why so
many Canadians were enrolled in my older son's University,
Georgetown, which is by the way both private and religiously
owned.

- Original Message -
From: "inri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will
MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> > inri, I don't think from your position in Canada you can
> > possibly have a very clear picture of the school system
> > here.
>
> no, i must admit, that i probably don't. but if the
average portrayed
> intelligence by the americans i speak to online is any
indication then you
> guys really, really need to do SOMETHING and QUICK. the
problem isn't that
> you don't know how to read or write or figure out change
from a 10. it's
> that you seem to be, in many cases, stuck in the
nineteenth century when it
> comes to social values, race relations, religion, etc..
> collectively, you have an appalling lack of understanding
of the history of
> even your OWN COUNTRY and you seem unable to grasp that
you make up a tiny
> fraction of the world population. [a generalization, i
apologize for those
> of you who are educated.]
> americans aren't the laughing stock of the internet
[another generalization,
> i apologize again.] without good reason.
> to me, this high level of ignorance seems to merely show a
lack of quality
> education where it really matters.
> perhaps this is intentional.
>
>

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[CTRL] The Bastard President

[radman]

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The Bastard President



The Zlatkin Letter
12-17-00

 The Bastard President

I have been trying to take this all in it lately. It hasn't been easy. I am
so damn angry that this election for the presidency has been stolen.
I am outraged at how this theft has been sanitized by the media. I am angry
but not surprised. In case you didn't know, Al Gore won the popular vote by
568,000 votes. George Bush, Jr. did not win. Illegal acts in the state of
Florida, governed by his brother, stole the election. He is the
illegitimate President.

It was Party Time!

A good friend of mine has been working on the renovation of the Capitol
Building.  While he was scurrying about the premises a few weeks ago, he
overheard a number congressional aides talking about what they were going
to wear to the "party."
My friend had no clue about what they were talking about until he saw the
footage of the "party" at the Election canvassing board in Florida. He knew
from first hand experience that those were not just some "interested"
citizens, he knew that they were paid operatives of the Republican Party.

 Happy Anniversary

The date of the "party" was November 22, 2000. The thirty-seventh
anniversary of the assassination of JFK. Lots of activity in both Texas and
Florida during that "operation."
Yes, that was the first stage of this coup. And if you follow the history
of these types, you learn that they like nothing better than to commemorate
their "holy" days with some kind of action.
Now, what better way for the veterans of the JFK assassination, the Bay of
Pigs invasion, the Watergate scandal, Iran-Contra and the Savings and Loan
grandest of all larcenies, to "celebrate" their assassination of a
president, than to steal an election from another!

Which side are you on?

This fascistic takeover of the government of the United States (no
hyperbole here) actually became the last chance for Democrats. This was it.
The Democrats were having the Supreme Court decide that they had lost the
presidential election.
Yes, it is true that they could have run a much better campaign, but
regardless of that fact, they are victims of this venal theft by the
Republicans.
It was really a time for them to act in such a way to justify the support
that they had received from the 50 million plus who voted for Al Gore. It
was time for the Democrats to lead the fight. It was time to show some
backbone.
Regardless of what the ruling elite wants us to buy into, this is not a
time for reconciliation. This is not a time for unity. This is not a time
to cast oneself as the loyal opposition.
This is the time to be an obstructionist. It is time to be a belligerent
party that will fight for the rights of working and poor people, especially
those who were disenfranchised voters in this election. This is the time
for the Democratic Party to stand up and resist the Bush Oligarchy and its
attempt to rule.
But I am afraid that this last chance for Democrats to show leadership
evaporated into thin air when the feckless Al Gore, losing his chance to
seize the moment and change history, kow-towed to his beloved ruling class.
Gore in his calling for this faux unity that is meant only to mislead and
mollify the populace, has betrayed his supporters. He also joins the cabal
that wants us to believe that being a good American means accepting,
without question, the theft of the presidency.

 Feckless Al

Feckless Al Gore provided no leadership to counter this coup. Al Gore would
rather lose the presidency
of the United States than raise the issue of race in America.
Al Gore could have gone on television and refused to concede. He could have
referred to the tens of thousands of African-Americans denied the right to
have their votes counted. Al Gore could have said that enough was enough.
Gore could have stated that he would not allow the illegitimate seizure of
this government. Gore could have said that he would, not only, fight to
have every vote counted, but that he would take the leadership in a
movement to make sure that each and every American would have the right to
vote. Gore could have promised that this right would be protected by the
full force of law.
But he didn't.

 A Vote For Gore Was A Vote For Bush

Nader was, evidently, correct. At the core, there is no basic difference
between Gore and Bush, they both are wedded to fealty when it comes to the
ruling elite.

Tens of thousands of African-Americans disenfranchised and Gore did nothing.

A right-wing coup d'etat was declared legal by the Supreme Court. The
United States presidential election has been effectively stolen by
right-wing Republicans. The Bush oligarchy regains full power. The cause of
corporatism reigns supreme in America.
Initially, I had thought that the movement to fight this coup was going to
be marginalized. We would be shown that Jesse Jackson, a few unions and the
anti-WTO kids would be the entire face of protest. Any chance tha

[CTRL] Yet Another Example of Non-Disclaimers In Action...

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

-Caveat Lector-

I don't know if the following is true or not...

Does that mean I have 'disclaimed' whether I believe or endorse the following?


June

- Original Message -

> Zambians Traumatized By Crash-landing Flying Wizards
>
> http://farshores.topcities.com/farshores/pflywiz.htm
>
> More than 30 stark naked people suspected to be wizards "crash-landed"
> on rooftops of houses owned by families, institutions and filling
> stations in Zambia last year, leaving the population puzzled. The latest
> of these bizarre incidents occurred on New Year eve when one of such
> suspected wizard crash-landed in Kasanda, a mining township near the
> midlands central town of Kabwe, 80 km north of Lusaka, the capital. He
> sustained fatal body and knee injuries on impact.
>
> The suspected wizard, believed to be in his 50's, reportedly fell on the
> roof of house owned by one Christopher Muwowo at about 01:15 hours
> Zambian time, causing pandemonium among sleeping family members.
>
> Muwowo, a minibus driver and other members of his family were awakened
> by a loud bang on the roof, which also prompted dogs to start barking.
>
> The man's wife, who was the first to get out of the house, was
> astonished to find a stark naked man kneeling on the doorsteps. She
> yelled for help.
>
> When Muwowo dashed outside and asked the strange visitor what he was
> looking for at that awkward hour, the naked man simply said "kuku"
> (meaning Please Help). After that, he could not answer or talk anything
> until he was taken to Kasanda police station.
>
> Curious neighbours, mostly dressed in their night wear who had heard the
> man's screams, went to Muwowo's house, only to be shocked by the
> presence of a naked man sprawling on the ground.
>
> The naked uninvited guest was taken to Kasanda Police Station.
>
> "Cases of witches and wizards crash-landing are rare in Kabwe but very
> common in Lusaka," said one onlooker.
>
> Among the first people to rush to Kasanda Police Station to have a
> glimpse of the wizard was Kabwe Mayor John Siamuzyulu and Central
> Province Police Chief Ryan Chitoba.
>
> Residents eager to see the wizard besieged the police station. A good
> Samaritan provided a blanket to cover the hapless man.
>
> But since he could not talk, the police had difficulties to establish
> his name, age, his destination and where he was coming from.
>
> The suspected wizard was later taken to the Department of Social Welfare
> to await being taken to the Traditional Healers and Practitioners
> Association of Zambia or THAPAZ who had agreed to exorcise him.
>
> Unfortunately, the wizard died before he was charged and police have
> appealed to the Zambian public to come forward and identify the man.
>
> THAPAZ president, "Dr" Rodwell Vongo, who heads a group of 40,000 local
> traditional herbalists, claimed in an interview with PANA that the Kabwe
> wizard was the only fatal case out of the over a hundred wizards who had
> so far crash-landed on roof-tops of houses in the country.
>
> "They normally crash-land, giving lack of fuel as the cause of
> crash-landing and ending their missions prematurely," Vongo said.
>
> Asked to clarify why wizards must fly naked, Vongo explained that this
> was the only way they could conceal their identity when flying.
>
> "But the most important secret in their view is that the potency of
> their concoctions would respond to their taking off from the ground when
> naked than when they are dressed," he claimed
>
> THAPAZ's director of Information, "Dr' Alex Kekelwa, said that
> exhaustion of fuel was not the only reason why wizards crash-land at
> times.
>
> "Sometimes, some of these chaps fly over enemy territory, and they are
> shot down with traditional ground to air missiles.
>
> "I am a traditional herbalist and my mission is to save life through
> healing and so THAPAZ does not recognise witchcraft. But if a wizard
> flew over my house, which is my territory, I will certainly respond by
> protecting my family and myself by shooting down a wizard.
>
> I do not want to say anything beyond that", Kekelwa stressed.
>
> Kekelwa declined to unravel the motives of flying wizards, saying he was
> not one of them to know their strategies. "May be some of these guys
> have concubines they want to visit hundred of kilometres away from where
> they live while others have sinister motives of going to kill their
> targeted enemies."
>
> . Story originally published in .
> - January * 2001

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[CTRL] Check out Saddam has made two atomic bombs, says Iraqi defector

[Carl Amedio]

 Click here: Saddam has made two atomic bombs, says Iraqi defector 

[CTRL] Making a Point Regarding Disclaimers

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

-Caveat Lector-

The following is from the David Icke list...

I don't know if what is included in the post is 'true' or not...

By making the above statement, have I 'disclaimed' whether I believe or endorse what 
is in the post?  ;-)


June

- Original Message -

> > YaPool speaks:
> >
> > We announce the arrival of the Big Motherships.
> > A temporal approach of Astral Stations to Earth
> > is taking place.
> > They are part of a  multi-sized 30 stations
> > fleet , with an average diameter
> > of 300 Km.
> > They belong to a coordinate program carried by
> > the Galactic Federation of
> > Astral Peoples, aimed to reestablish on the
> > Earth suface the original
> > temporal coordinates, strongly altered by the
> > pernicious infestation of the
> > parasite alien colony that has seized the Earth
> > surface.
> >
> > The powerful decision made  by the
> > Confederation Astral Fleet to hover above
> > the Earth skies, will produce a global
> > obscuration phenomenon and the system
> > sudden collapse,  not absolutely prepared to
> > face such a drastic mutation.
> > Your reality shall necessarily confront itself
> > with something which is by
> > far the most unimaginable ever faced by your
> > science and by your knowledge
> > in the whole history of your race
> >
> > The environment and human beings metamorphosis,
> > man included, shall
> > exceptionally manifest the essence and original
> > form of everything.
> >
> > No surprise, for your unlivable world, if a
> > radical extinction occurs.
> >
> > Many of you will understand one day not to
> > belong to this world.
> > And they will gain free access to their own
> > original dimension.
> >
> > We do intend, through this communication, to
> > announce that the Great Master,
> > King of the Worlds and Ancient of the Days
> > among the Galactic Federation of
> > Astral Peoples, has definitively proclaimed His
> > radiant Will, so that this
> > nest of parasites be definitively eradicated
> > from Earth,  the virtual
> > structure of this world  dismembered and
> > dispersed, and that Real Life may
> > return on Earth.
> >
> > YaPool for the people of Agartha
> >

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Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to "hurt" Women

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I am not saying this is true or not true. Just
> > forwarding.
> > KS
> >
> > The Real Story of Rosa Parks
>
> I have been out most of this week so today is the first
> chance I have had to go over this situation with the alleged
> failure to use a disclaimer.  The above was at the beginning
> of the post by Kindred Spirit in addition to the "FYI" in
> the subject matter.  I believe this was far more than
> adequate as a disclaimer.

The hell it is.  Stating that one doesn't know whether the contents of one's post is 
true or not does NOT say
anything about if one ENDORSES the contents of the post.  One can post something that 
one doesn't know is true
or not -- or perhaps even knows is a lie -- and still endorse the opinions expressed 
in the post.

I could forward a post to the list from someone who says they work for the government 
and have proof that
outer space aliens have taken over the highest offices of government.  I may know that 
the person who wrote
the original post is lying, and doesn't work for the gov't nor have any 'proof' of 
outerspace aliens working
in the government or at Burger King...but if I BELIEVE that outerspace aliens exist 
and have infiltrated our
gov't, then I may feel the issues raised in the post warrant forwarding it on, even 
tho I know it is a
'lie'...

And if I put a statement at the beginning saying "I don't know if this is true or 
not", it doesn't mean I
disagree with the contents of the post...


> Your usual attempts to silence anybody not in agreement with
> you display your little agenda. I wonder if Kris really
> wants you to decimate his list for him while he is trying to
> promote the book, etc.

Kris and I had a very pleasant phone chat the other day when he was in town, and he 
didn't express any opinion
that he thought anyone was 'decimating' the list...


> JUNE, I was surprised that you remained silent while Nessie
> threatened to hurt another poster but after reading your
> remarks concerning Super Bowl Sunday, apparently you are
> into this men hurting women thing, too.

You are an idiot.

Explain to me how perpetuating a LIE regarding the supposed rise in spousal abuse 
following the Super Bowl
furthers the cause of women in general, and abused women in particular?

Rather, if you encourage the spreading of the myth of Super Bowl causing increased 
spousal abuse, you do a
great disservice to the true cause of helping women, because you discredit the whole 
field.

As it said in the Super Bowl post, there is no logic in the sentiment that 
perpetuating the LIE regarding
Super Bowl = increased spousal abuse will do ANYTHING to further the cause of helping 
abused women.


> I wish you could
> see some of the women who arrive in the Huntsville shelter,
> which is totally inadequate.

You assume that I:

 a)  have not worked at abuse shelters myself, and

 b)  that I myself have not been a victim of abuse, and

 c)  that I don't currently have a problem with (ongoing) abuse/stalking...


> This has been a cause on which I have spent a great deal of
> my time and effort over the last three years and it is very
> dear to my heart.  I also moderate a support list for these
> women.

God help them.  If anyone was so totally unqualified to moderate such a list, it is 
you...


June

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

[inri]

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> inri, I don't think from your position in Canada you can
> possibly have a very clear picture of the school system
> here.

no, i must admit, that i probably don't. but if the average portrayed
intelligence by the americans i speak to online is any indication then you
guys really, really need to do SOMETHING and QUICK. the problem isn't that
you don't know how to read or write or figure out change from a 10. it's
that you seem to be, in many cases, stuck in the nineteenth century when it
comes to social values, race relations, religion, etc..
collectively, you have an appalling lack of understanding of the history of
even your OWN COUNTRY and you seem unable to grasp that you make up a tiny
fraction of the world population. [a generalization, i apologize for those
of you who are educated.]
americans aren't the laughing stock of the internet [another generalization,
i apologize again.] without good reason.
to me, this high level of ignorance seems to merely show a lack of quality
education where it really matters.
perhaps this is intentional.

but when people like david duke get significant amounts of the vote when
they run for office, i blame a lack of quality education.
when people blame high crime in cities on racial minorities instead of much
more logical and obvious factors [poverty that was created by the ruling
whites; drugs that were forced down their throats by the ruling whites;
gangs that were created as protection from corrupt, primarily white, police
officers, etc] then i blame a lack of quality education.
when people like rudolph giuliani spray toxic chemicals on your cities to
combat harmless viruses and barely a murmur is raised, i blame a lack of
quality education.
when your election is rigged and nobody gives a fuck, i blame a lack of
quality education.

we don't have problems like this in canada.
i give the credit to a surplus of quality PUBLIC education.

> Much of the problem is racial in nature in the fact of
> crime, gangs and teachers being unable to maintain order
> long enough to teach.

i don't want to play your game.

the problem here is not racial in nature, it's due to differences in
monetary income. blacks, latinos, whites or martians all resort to crime
when they have no other option to maintain a stable income. when one has no
chance at a quality education [something vouchers will not alleviate. don't
go back to that.] one generally has no marketable skills. when one has no
marketable skills what is one to do? you can't even get a job at mcdonalds
without a high school diploma, and it's difficult to obtain a high school
diploma when your schools are falling apart, your government is pumping you
full of opiates and you're surrounded with carcinogens; when one grows up
surrounded by crime to the extent that it has become normal, to the extent
that crack-cocaine is a normal past-time, to the extent that a well paying
job is merely a pipedreamwhat do you expect to happen? huh?

and where does this all come from? eh? who runs eli lilly? of what race are
the drug-running politicians? of what race are the arms-running politicians?
who dragged these poor people, kicking and screaming i might add, from their
homeenslaved them...brainwashed them through religion and then kicked
them out on the street empty handed when they finally had enough of it all
and fought back for basic human rights? eh?

who's fault is this REALLY?

i see i have played your game. i do not blame ALL whites. i blame SOME
whites. i would be foolish not to blame some minorities.

i repeat: the problem is NOT racial.

>I do not think vouchers will result
> in racial segregation as schools will probably have some
> sort of racial quota requirement.

the bush administration is vehemently against quotas.

>If it should result in
> segregation, who is to blame?

the people who orchestrated it.

>The schools have been fully
> integrated for thirty years so why did this not work?

because it was designed not to.

>Whose
> fault is it?

those who orchestrated it.

> Do black children miraculously learn
> more/better if in immediate proximity of white ones?

racial prejudice is a learned trait. when carried out effectively,
desegregation in schools helps prevent it from becoming learned.
racism is virtually dead in canada - an idea held in regard only by the
uneducated and the perpetually ridiculed, completely powerless christian
right.

we recently held our first gay marriages here.
virtually all support it.
i give credit to a superior PUBLIC education system that teaches inclusion,
acceptance, equal rights to all

what do you think of this?



there seem to be two sides to the story that you just told: your
over-represented white supremecist side and an under-represented black side,
most likely with a paranoid "everybody-is-out-to-get-me" view of the world.

i therefore do not plan on commenting on this story as i am unaware of the
facts, no doubt both sides would be guilty of sensationali

[CTRL] Fear and Furs: The pomp and protests of W.s stolen inauguration

[radman]

-Caveat Lector-

Fear and Furs



The pomp and protests of W.'s stolen inauguration

by Ben Ehrenreich
Jan. 26 - Feb. 1, 200

It was at his first inaugural address in the early years of the Great
Depression that Franklin Delano Roosevelt famously warned that fear was the
nation's greatest danger  "nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror." In
these more prosperous times, fear itself was the dominant note at George W.
Bush's tainted inauguration in Washington, D.C., last weekend  fear and
furs, lots of furs, mink after mink after mink, the lustrous hides of
entire generations of rodents. In the most heavily guarded inaugural
celebration in American history, more than 7,000 officers from more than a
dozen law-enforcement agencies flooded the city to ensure that Bush  and
his legions of tuxedoed and mink-wrapped supporters  could enjoy their $40
million corporate-sponsored victory party in royal style.
As thousands of demonstrators from widely disparate backgrounds trooped
through the cold and rain-soaked streets to voice their outrage, National
Guardsmen lurked nearby, outfitted for urban combat; armored cars and a
70-man FBI SWAT team waited out of sight. Police set up 10 checkpoints
through which the general public  including tens of thousands of
parade-goers as well as protesters  had to pass to get to the inaugural
parade route. All bags, even umbrellas, were searched at the checkpoints.
Following a lawsuit brought by protest organizers, U.S.  District Judge
Gladys Kessler grudgingly approved the security plan despite "very, very
deep concerns." She warned, "The very term 'checkpoint' has what I would
call an odious connotation of repression . . . Every citizen has the
freedom to walk the streets of this land."
Agreeing with Kessler, protesters took over the streets of the capital for
the day on Saturday, cheerfully braving the assaults of both the weather
and the police, defying aggressive attempts to contain them, charging
through one of the security checkpoints and raining on the presidential
parade with loud and visible dissent. Along with cheers from onlookers in
cashmere overcoats and furs, the executive limousine was greeted with great
choruses of boos, with nearly as many protest signs as black umbrellas, and
at one point with a skillfully lobbed orange.
By the end of the day, Bush had broken into the White House, with the
blessings of the Supreme Court; police had arrested about 10 protesters on
charges ranging from disorderly conduct to felony assault on a police officer.
Hours before Bush was sworn in on the Capitol steps, protesters were
converging throughout downtown Washington. The International Action Center
(IAC), leading a call to "Stop the Death Machine" and protesting a range of
issues from capital punishment to police brutality to corporate
globalization, staked out the Pennsylvania Avenue parade route four hours
before the procession was scheduled to begin. The Justice Action Movement,
a coalition of progressive groups, and the Million Voter March, composed
largely of more centrist Democrats angry about the election debacle and
Bush's far-right cabinet appointees, rallied at Dupont Circle before
heading to Pennsylvania Avenue.  Several hundred New Black Panthers marched
to declare a "Day of Outrage" at the disenfranchisement of African-American
voters in Florida. Reverend Al Sharpton led over 1,000 in a "Shadow
Inauguration" at Stanton Park, swearing: "We've taken an oath today that we
will turn this nation around, and it'll take more than senior Bush or
little junior Bush to turn us around." The Revolutionary Anti-Authoritarian
Bloc, better known as the Black Bloc, convened at Franklin Square, yards
away from the spot where anarchist protesters were clubbed and tear-gassed
by D.C. police during last April's rallies against the International
Monetary Fund.
The day's first confrontation with police took place not long after the
latter group, about 500 anarchists wearing black bandannas and hooded
sweatshirts, joined by the odd mainstream Gore supporter, began marching at
10 a.m. to chants of "Who is the enemy? The state is the enemy!" By 11 a.m.
they had picked up an escort of about two dozen cops on foot at the rear of
the march. This happened after an hour of parading through the streets,
waving signs (a sampling of messages: "No Aid to Israeli Apartheid,"
"Protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge," "End the Racist Death
Penalty," "Genetic Engineering: What Are You Doing to Our Food?" "The Real
Elections Are in the Streets"), occasionally targeting the property of
their adversaries with a brick (one was thrown at the window of an Armed
Forces Recruitment Center  it missed) or can of spray paint (the facade of
the Washington Post building was tagged with circled A, as the crowd yelled
"Fuck Corporate Media!"), dragging newspaper boxes into the street to slow
the police cars trailing them.
As the group turned the corner at 

[CTRL] FOX: Irate Burton Pursues Investigation

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

[I'm just curious...  Just how far back do the Clintons and Mark
Rich go ?  I don't have the articles, but I remember several
proving Vince Foster's Swiss travels...from Ark. and D.C.  One
writer even found the credit card slips for a Swiss trip Foster
canceled right before he died.  What's more, according to The New
York Post-January 25, 2001: "IF anyone launches an investigation
into how billionaire tax cheat Marc Rich got himself a
presidential pardon, maybe they should also look into how the
fugitive, who fled to Switzerland in 1983, was able to sneak in
and out of the U.S. 10 years later. Rich's ex-wife, Denise - who
has lived lavishly on Fifth Avenue while Rich was on the lam -
has told people that Rich was able to visit his daughter
Gabrielle in 1996 as she lay dying of leukemia in a California
hospital. "I heard it from her own lips," said our source. The
pertinent question is: Did President Clinton arrange for Rich to
make the visit without fear of arrest?"  --MS]


Irate Burton Pursues Investigation

Friday, January 26, 2001
By Rita Cosby and Sharon Kehnemui
FOX News


WASHINGTON — The Chairman of the House Government Reform
Committee says he wants an explanation why a fugitive billionaire
was given a pardon by President Clinton on his last day in
office.

Rep.  Dan Burton, R-IN, a vocal Clinton critic, has requested
documents from six locations in Washington, including the
Department of Justice (DOJ).

"We want to have some kind of explanation to the American people
why this pardon took place," Burton told FOX News.

"I think the American people are owed an explanation and because
Bill Clinton won't give them one, we think it's our
responsibility to make sure that they know what happened."

Burton says he wants to know why Marc Rich, a billionaire who has
been living in Switzerland since 1983, was among the 140 pardons
Clinton granted on his last day in office.  Rich and partner
Pincus Green were indicted in one of the largest tax evasion
cases in history.  Green was also pardoned.

Rich's ex-wife Denise Rich, a Grammy-winning songwriter, is a
Clinton pal and a big campaign contributor to the Clintons and
the Democratic party, donating more than $1 million.  She also
gave a pair of coffee tables and chairs to the Clintons recently,
worth more than $7,000. Burton wants to know if there is a line
connecting those dots.

"Mr.  Rich's former wife...  was told by President Clinton that
he would not forget her kindness and her largesse at a party in
New York and then Mr.  Rich is pardoned even though he had been
indicted on 51 counts and fled the country to avoid the
prosecution," Burton said.

New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who as a Federal prosecutor charged
Rich, is demanding a congressional investigation.  Sen.  Pete
Domenici, R-NM, is also wondering if the pardon was a quid pro
quo to the Riches for all the money that Denise Rich donated.

"Something is wrong with the Mark Rich pardon.  There must be
something that we don't know, We ought to find out about it, if
it is a quid pro quo that's very, very, serious in terms of the
president's abuse of pardons," said Sen.  Pete Domenici, R-NM.

Clinton has said he looked at the merits of the Rich case and
others and based his decision to issue pardons on that.

But Margaret Love, a former DOJ pardon attorney said that
Clinton's decision — and its timing — are unusual.

"I think that he waited until the very end and decided to do
everything that he wanted to do there at the very end, instead of
doing it in a regular housekeeping way across his term, the way
all presidents have done in the past," Love told FOX News.

Friday, Jack Quinn, the former White House counsel, and an
attorney now representing Rich, defended the pardon and said the
prosecution against Rich was flawed and that he should not have
been criminally prosecuted to begin with.  He maintained the
case, involving embargoed oil exports from Iran, was a civil
matter.

"Rich has not escaped potential liability for his actions — only
the overreaching criminal prosecution to which he should never
have been subject," Quinn wrote in an op-ed for The Washington
Post.  "The presidential pardon can and should be employed when a
president resolves a dispute about whether the law and policies
of the Justice Department support the use of civil rather than
criminal sanctions in response to an individual's alleged
wrongful conduct in the eyes of the United States."

But Burton said the criminal charges were rightly filed.

"I think he did do many things wrong.  I mean we had an embargo
against Iran at a time when the Iranians and the Ayatollah had
many Americans being held hostage.

He was doing business with them in violation of the embargo,"
Burton said.  "He fled the country because I think he thought he
was going to come to trial and possibly be convicted."

Burton said the case is a non-partisan one, both Democrats and
Republicans are stunned by Clinton's action.  Sen.  Arlen
Specter

[CTRL] NYDN: Sect Members Pocketed Funds

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

Sect Members Pocketed Funds

Stolen cash paid for personal expenses

By GREG B. SMITH
Daily News Staff Writer
1/26/2001

The four New Square felons granted clemency by former President
Bill Clinton argued they had never benefited personally from the
$40 million they stole in government funds.

But a detailed examination of the case by the Daily News shows
that they used millions in taxpayer dollars to pay for a wide
range of personal expenses ‹ from rent to diapers to car repairs
‹ for themselves and other members of their Rockland County
Hasidic sect.

[PHOTO] A box marked 'Clinton Foreign Official Gifts' is unloaded
from a truck at the building housing the Clinton library in
Arkansas.

The four men ‹ Kalmen Stern, David Goldstein, Jacob Elbaum and
Benjamin Berger ‹ were convicted in January 1999 of stealing
millions worth of student Pell grants, housing subsidies and
small-business loans.

As part of their sentences, they were ordered to make full
restitution of the stolen funds.

But, The News has learned, it is highly unlikely that any of the
$40 million will ever be repaid.

Last week, as he left office, Clinton significantly reduced the
prison sentences of the four New Square felons ‹ weeks after
supporters met privately at the White House with the outgoing
President and First Lady.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, who also met with New Square Hasidic
leaders in August, during her Senate campaign, has denied taking
a position on the sentence commutation. In the November election,
the New Square community voted overwhelmingly for her.

In requesting clemency, the felons argued that their crimes were
more technical than evil. They also contended they had not gained
personally from their fraud, merely using federal funds meant for
one good cause to fund other altruistic causes.

"The crimes here essentially involved the diversion of funds to
other community needs, no personal enrichment," said lawyer
Samuel Rosenthal, who handled the commutation application. "Not
one of the four had an excessive or elaborate lifestyle, but
instead had always lived in the most modest conditions."

But the prosecutors who brought the federal case, and evidence
produced at trial, indicate otherwise.

Elbaum was convicted of illegally pocketing $26,000, Berger
$22,000 and Stern $16,464 in housing subsidies. Evidence showed
that they lied about their amount of taxable income to qualify
for the Department of Housing and Urban Development rent grants.

At trial, Assistant U.S. Attorney Deborah Landis told the jury
some of the money went for "everything from diapers to car
repairs." For example, she said, Goldstein leased an expensive
black Acura.

Claiming poverty on behalf of Elbaum, lawyer Charles Stillman
told The News his client will never be able to repay the HUD
subsidies ‹ or the $11 million he owes the Department of
Education for his role in the Pell grant scam.

"My client is as poor as a church mouse," said Stillman. "He is
the father of eight children who lives in the most humble of
surroundings. He has no money, he has no savings."

Most of the government money stolen in the New Square scheme was
funneled through Toldos Yakof Yosef ‹ a fictitious yeshiva that
Assistant U.S. Attorney Joanna Hendon described at trial as "the
perfect Pell grant machine."

Evidence shows that the phony religious school existed only as an
address ‹ on Heyward St. in Brooklyn. The New Square community,
according to the evidence, illegally used Pell grant funds to buy
the building.

"Each of the men in this courtroom knowingly and repeatedly, and
for profit, affiliated themselves with a monstrous fraud," Hendon
said during the two-month trial that ended in January 1999.

According to testimony, the four defendants also paid New Square
residents to become "students" so they could apply for Pell
grants. One "philosophy" student did not speak English or know
what a term paper was.

The four felons also used some of the government funds to pay
themselves salaries as "mentors" and "administrators" in the
nonexistent program.

At trial, prosecutors Landis and Hendon introduced evidence that
the scheme went well beyond Toldos Yakof Yosef.

Some of the fake students also supposedly attended other yeshivas
in Rockland County and Brooklyn.

Also, the four were convicted of setting up a shell corporation
to net $100,000 in small-business loans. That money was doled out
to various community concerns.

Goldstein was convicted of collecting $146,000 in Social Security
benefits for a retired couple living in Israel and unaware of the
scheme.

In a separate case, another New Square leader, Samuel Weissmandl,
was convicted of stealing more than $750,000 in federal housing
funds ‹ from the same pile of federal funds.

Among other things, Weissmandl used the money for landscaping
services at his and his relatives' homes. He was convicted and is
serving prison time. Clinton did not commute his sentence.

[CTRL] CNS: Ashcroft Supporters Refute Hormel [Gay] Allegations

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

"The issue all along has been Hormel's reluctance to distance
himself from anti-Catholic bigots, not his sexual orientation
..."



Ashcroft Supporters Refute Hormel Allegations

By Lawrence Morahan
CNS Senior Staff Writer
January 26, 2001

(CNSNews.com) - A claim by homosexual activist James Hormel that
Attorney General-designate John Ashcroft opposed Hormel's
nomination as ambassador to Luxembourg in 1998 "solely because I
am a gay man" is unfair and without basis in fact, family and
religious groups said Friday.

Ashcroft and a majority of senators opposed Hormel not because of
his homosexuality, but because of his funding of obscene material
for children, his failure to denounce pedophilia and a "tolerance
for anti-Catholicism," they said.

The New York-based Catholic League spoke out against Hormel's
nomination because of his association with the "Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence," a group of drag queens that dressed as
nuns and took part in the 1996 Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
Transgender Pride Parade in San Francisco. During the parade,
Hormel welcomed the queens and encouraged their antics.

"Worse than this was Hormel's refusal to disassociate himself
from this Catholic-bashing incident," said William Donohue,
president of the Catholic League.

"The issue all along has been Hormel's reluctance to distance
himself from anti-Catholic bigots, not his sexual orientation,"
he added.

Hormel, who recently returned to the United States after serving
a term as ambassador to Luxembourg, said Ashcroft opposed his
nomination on sexual grounds. At his Senate confirmation hearings
last week, Ashcroft denied that, saying sexual preference was not
a factor in his hiring practices as a governor or as a senator,
nor would it be if he is confirmed as attorney general.

Hormel accused Ashcroft of an "anti-gay prejudice," which could
affect how he handles the attorney general's job.

Hormel's allegation, and that of Paul Offner, a Democrat who said
Ashcroft asked him about his sexuality during a 1985 job
interview, has prompted family groups to rally to Ashcroft's
defense.

Andrea Lafferty, executive director of Traditional Values
Coalition, is circulating, among freshman senators, packages of
explicit materials she received at the James Hormel Gay and
Lesbian Reading Center at the San Francisco Public Library, a
Hormel-funded enterprise.

Included in the packages are copies of a graphic "Coloring Book"
of female genitalia and crayons - materials that are made
available to children at the Hormel library. Lafferty discovered
the lesbian coloring book - along with other reading materials by
the North American Man Boy Love Association that promoted incest
and sex between children and adults - during several trips to the
Hormel reading center.

The center's function is to make homosexuality attractive to
children, and it distributes obscene material to children,
Lafferty said. "If the library had Dick Armey or Trent Lott's
name, the liberals would run them out of town," she said.

"Senators should applaud Ashcroft for his opposition to Hormel
for promoting this kind of obscene material," she added.

During the nomination hearings in 1998, Hormel refused to comment
on the materials in his library. His supporters said Hormel
personally found some of the materials offensive, but to hold him
responsible would be like "holding the Hirshhorns responsible for
what is in their museum on the Mall."

But Lafferty and others categorically refute this argument. "They
are distorting the truth," Lafferty said. "What they fail to
acknowledge is that sex between adults and children is illegal,
and that is what is in the Hormel library. Hormel has for years
refused to denounce pedophilia and he has refused to denounce
incest."

Much of the opposition to Ashcroft stems from the fear that the
attorney general-designate will crack down on pedophiles and
enforce the laws on obscenity and pornography, family groups
said.

Lafferty said she would not have brought back the subject of what
is available for children at the Hormel reading center had it not
been for attacks on Ashcroft and his record.

"They made Hormel the issue. They've been lying about Ashcroft
and his record. They're trying to make Ashcroft the fall guy."


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Re: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker?

[goolie smith]

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what ?
the UN found him DIRECTLY responsible
Israel had found him INDIRECTLY responsible

and i dont think the country that he fights for is gonna punish him either.
just look at the way the guy that killed that 10 year old got away with it


>From: Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker?
>Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 10:20:04 -0500
>
>-Caveat Lector-
>
>goolie smith wrote:
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > What are you on man ?
> > Ariel Sharon, was found directly responsible for massacres of
>palestinians
> > in UN shelters.
>
>Actally, he was found INDIRECTLY responsible. The killings were done
>against
>his direct orders by a Syrian opperative who was a Christian Phalangist.
>
>If you want to know more about this, see... *From Israel to Damascus* on
>the
>Net. A book written by one of the Phalangist militiamen who actually did
>the
>killing.
>
>Joshua2
>
> > Mere civilans just trying to survive in UN encampments,
> > when along comes 'the buldozer'.  It wasnt even 2 or 20 people that he
>was
> > responsible for killing, the total tally reached the hundreds.
> >
> > >The next time you see Yasser Arafat/Ariel Sharon talking politely to
> >Ted
> > >Koppel on "Nightline," I want you to remember that behind
> > >that phony smile is the conscience of a killer. He's the
> > >premeditated murderer of U.S. diplomats/hundreds of humans.
> > >
> > >The next time you hear about the need for a Palestinian
> > >state/security, I want you to remember that the leader for life of
> > >that nation will be Yasser Arafat/Ariel Sharon.
> > >
> > >Does that really sound like the foundation for a permanent
> > >peace?
> >
> > See it works both ways
> >
> > >From: Amelia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker?
> > >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:01:26 -0600
> > >
> > >-Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > >Murderer as peacemaker?
> > >
> > >© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
> > >
> > >How would you like it if millions of your hard-earned tax
> > >dollars were sent to a little foreign dictator who murdered
> > >two American diplomats and got away with it?
> > >
> > >I'm sure you would not be a happy camper. Well, as much as I
> > >hate to upset you, dear readers, that is precisely what is
> > >happening with the millions of dollars the U.S. is
> > >transferring in foreign aid to Yasser Arafat and his
> > >Palestine Authority.
> > >
> > >Maybe you didn't know about Arafat's murderous record
> > >before. For that you can be excused, because the
> > >establishment press has not done much to expose this petty
> > >tyrant -- this killer of unarmed, innocent Americans simply
> > >doing their country's diplomatic duty.
> > >
> > >But once I tell you the details of this heinous crime --
> > >this unforgivable act of bloodlust -- you won't have any
> > >excuses, anymore. If you don't act -- if you don't scream
> > >about it to your elected officials in Washington -- then
> > >you, too, will be tacitly guilty of rewarding a cowardly
> > >killer for his evil deeds.
> > >
> > >Here are the facts, as I revealed in a news story in
> > >WorldNetDaily last week:
> > >
> > >On Feb. 28, 1973, Yasser Arafat was overheard by Israeli and
> > >U.S. intelligence operatives planning a Black September
> > >terrorist operation in Khartoum, Sudan. His transmissions
> > >were tape-recorded. They were transcribed, and warnings were
> > >issued by National Security Agency personnel to the U.S.
> > >Embassy in Sudan.
> > >
> > >Unfortunately, the alert was delayed because of a
> > >bureaucratic snafu. A day later, eight Black September
> > >terrorists stormed the Saudi Arabian embassy in Khartoum and
> > >grabbed U.S. Ambassador Cleo Noel, Charge d'Affaires George
> > >Curtis Moore and others hostage. On March 2, 1973, after the
> > >terrorists' demands for the release of Sirhan Sirhan, Robert
> > >F. Kennedy's assassin, were rebuffed by President Nixon,
> > >Arafat was heard and recorded, once again, providing the
> > >code words for the execution of Noel, Moore and Belgian
> > >diplomat Guy Eid. They were machine-gunned to death.
> > >
> > >Until last week, no American involved in this tragedy had
> > >spoken out on the details of that tragedy. But 28 years
> > >later, James Welsh, the Palestinian analyst for the NSA who
> > >issued the first alert on the incident, went public with
> > >charges of a cover-up of Arafat's key role in the planning
> > >and execution of the attack.
> > >
> > >Think about it. Yasser Arafat just visited the White House a
> > >few weeks ago. He has won the Nobel Peace Prize. He is
> > >heralded as a moderating force for compromise in the Middle
> > >East. Yet, the truth is, he is a cold-blooded murderer of
> > >innocent Americans.
> > >
> > >"No one wants to touch this thing," Welsh says. "It's a hot

Re: [CTRL] JUDICIAL WATCH FILES COMPLAINT AGAINST SENATOR HILLARY

[Samantha L.]

-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/27/01 10:55:13 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Recent press reports have
>  detailed the unprecedented “haul” the Clintons have removed from
>  The White House at the end of their eight year reign.

  The Reagan's got away with a much larger haul than that.  I forget how many
plane loads it took to remove the bounty.  Nancy hadn't declared most of her
gifts on taxes.  There was an IRS investigation and she was forced to pay
about $1 million in back taxes.  (From memory from Kitty Kelly's book 'Nancy
Reagan').
As I recall, this was happening around the same time Leona Helmseley was in
jail for tax evasion.
  If the gifts were accepted by Bill & Hill before she was sworn in as
Senator, I doubt Judicial Watch has a leg to stand on.  But they probably
just like the publicity of non-stop harassment of the Clintons.

Samantha

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[CTRL] Russia vs. New World Order

[William Shannon]

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/Articles/Russia_vs_New_World_Order.html


Russia vs. New World Order




By Susan Bryce

At the September 2000 meeting of the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting 
Countries (OPEC), Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez characterised the rising 
discontent with the US inspired New World Order when he stated: “The 20th 
century was a bipolar century, but the 21st is not going to be unipolar. 
The 21st century should be multipolar, and we all ought to push for the 
development of such a world. So, long live a united Asia, a united Africa, 
a united Europe!” 
The New World Order, a euphemism for US hegemony, is based upon a unipolar 
concept of the world, meaning US superpower domination. What is developing, 
however, is a multipolar world, implying many centres of influence, 
including Russia. The Russian Federation considers that social progress, 
stability and international security can only be guaranteed in the 
framework of a multipolar world and resents attempts by the US to 
marginalise Moscow in world affairs. Hence, Russia has become a political, 
military and cultural thorn in the side of the New World Order, 
representing an obstacle to its goals. 

Following the end of the Cold War, US President George Bush declared a New 
World Order, in which the heavy hand of American imperialism would fill the 
post Cold War geopolitical vacuum, enabling the US to ultimately conquer 
the geopolitical space of the former Soviet Union and interpose its 
authority over all of Europe. 
Plan to Disempower Russia

In his 1993 book, Out of Control, Zbigniew Brzezinski describes the US 
strategy as: “An invasion… created by the dissolution of the Soviet Union, 
aiming to transform the former republics of the Soviet Union into an area 
of overt and exclusive preponderance of American power.” He argues that 
American hegemony is unlike any previous hegemony because it is truly 
global. It is based on an unprecedented mixture of military supremacy, 
ideological ascendancy, technological innovation and control of the world’s 
financial system. Brzezinski says quite clearly that if America wants to 
control the world, as she should, then she must establish domination over 
Eurasia, especially what he calls “its Western periphery” (i.e. the 
European Union) and also its ‘Heartland’, the Middle East, Central Asia 
and the oil resources which flow from there. 

To coincide with the release of Brzezinski’s Out of Control, former 
National Security Adviser to President Clinton, Anthony Lake, defined the 
new expansionist doctrine of the United States in a foreign policy 
statement, “From Containment to Enlargement”. Lake’s statement asserted 
that, “the successor to the Cold War doctrine of containment must be the 
doctrine and strategy of enlargement.” 

The recent past is testimony to attacks upon Russia, aimed at reducing the 
great bear to pauperism and totally disempowering it in line with US 
expansionist policy. The dying days of the Clinton administration saw the 
release of the Cox Commission report, ‘Russia’s Road to Corruption: How 
the Clinton Administration Exported Government Instead of Free Enterprise 
and Failed the Russian People.’ The report accused a “troika” of Clinton 
administration officials – Vice President Al Gore, Deputy Secretary of 
State Strobe Talbott, and Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers – of 
implementing policies that fostered corruption and criminality and retarded 
Russia’s free market and democratic development. 

Russian President Vladimir Putin recently acknowledged that Russia is in 
the midst of one of the most difficult periods in its history. In the 
aftermath of Gorbachev, Russia was seen as a state without politics. 
Explaining this conception, Russian political philosopher Alexander Dugin 
says, “the main postulate of the Russian ruling elite in the liberal period 
was confidence in the fact that confrontation with the West resulted from 
the difference of social, economic and ideological models. On the basis of 
this, all the economic, political, foreign, cultural, and defence strategy 
of the Russian Federation was built. The country’s leaders seriously 
thought that giving up the Marxist outlook along with the socialist economy 
would automatically create a balanced system in Russia with the active and 
friendly cooperation of the West. This was a fatal mistake and it took a 
decade to realise it. With the obvious appearance of geopolitical factors, 
everyone realised that the Cold War was not just a display of an 
ideological duel, but the display of a historical constant, not dependent 
on social or political up-to-dateness. It was just one of the stages in the 
‘great war of continents’.” 
Russia's Concept of the World in the 21st Century

Since Vladimir Putin has been in charge of Russia, his initiatives have 
centred upon opposition to a unipolar world, and the advocacy of 
multipolarity. Rather than surrendering to the viperous aims of the 

[CTRL] Brazilian farmers storm Monsanto, uproot plants

[William Shannon]

http://news.excite.com/news/r/010126/08/brazil-protest-monsanto


Brazilian farmers storm Monsanto, uproot plants


Updated 8:52 AM ET January 26, 2001

By Marco SibajaNAO ME TOQUE, Brazil (Reuters) - More than a thousand poor
Brazilian farmers, joined by activists attending an anti-World Economic Forum
summit, stormed a biotech plant owned by U.S. life sciences giant Monsanto,
threatening Friday to camp out indefinitely to protest genetically modified
(GM) food.Some 1,200 workers from settlements of the radical Landless Workers
Movement (MST) in Brazil's southernmost state of Rio Grande do Sul invaded
the plant just before midnight Thursday, yanking out GM corn and soybeans
crops at Monsanto's experimental farm."We're staying here indefinitely," said
Solet Campolete, a local MST leader. "We want to make a statement ... these
seeds trick farmers and create dependency on seeds produced by a big
multinational."The MST families took over the research center and warehouses,
hanging hammocks and setting up mattresses and boxes of food. The protesters
scrawled on the walls, "The seed of death!" and "Monsanto is the end of
farmers!"Monsanto said Friday it had requested that local authorities
"restore order" at the unit."Monsanto regrets this incident in which it was a
victim of an aggressive movement that puts the rights to freedom of movement
and to private property at risk, but it affirms its confidence in democracy
and a quick reaction by authorities to restore order," the company said in a
statement.

ANTI-DAVOS FACTION JOINS PROTEST

Militant farmers from around the globe who are in Brazil for the World Social
Forum, a rival meeting to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland,
joined the protesters.Jose Bove, the French farmer and leader of the
Confederation Paysanne who catapulted to fame when he trashed his local
McDonald's, took a four hour bus ride from the state capital of Porto Alegre
to lend his support."Monsanto says transgenics require less pesticides and
chemicals, but that's a lie. Transgenics increase dependence on those
products," he said.Monsanto says its lab-enhanced seeds increase productivity
and reduce the use of agrochemicals among other benefits, but watchdog groups
like Greenpeace have opposed the wide-scale use of biotechnology that they
say has not been developed with sufficient environmental and health impact
studies.They also worry it will force farmers to become dependent on seeds
produced in corporate laboratories rather than on those grown in the
field.Brazil is the only country in the Western Hemisphere that attempts to
ban the commercial planting, importing or sale of GM food, but they do allow
research.Still, it has been an ongoing battle with the government often
trying to reverse its position on GM and some farmers smuggling in GM seeds
from neighboring Argentina. Industry insiders suspect up to a third of Rio
Grande do Sul's soybean crop is GM.The some 10,000 activists united in Porto
Alegre for the "Anti-Davos" forum are expected to condemn GM food along with
a wide range of what they say are neoliberal and capitalist policies that
have deepened the divide between the rich and poor. MST families have led
protests outside the Monsanto plant but it is the first time they invaded the
facility.

Re: [CTRL] Zoos raided as German food scares grow

[Nessie]

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Subject:[CTRL] Zoos raided as German food scares grow

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Europe/2001-
01/raided280101.shtml

Zoos raided as German food scares grow
By Imre Karacs in Berlin
28 January 2001
What a sad place the little city zoo in Berlin's Kreuzberg district is.
Children weep for their missing favourites; Gustav the gander, his
wings drooping in sorrow, pines for his harem. All the other geese
have vanished in recent days, along with four ducks and seven
hens. The staff have eaten them.
Nothing seems sacred any more as Germans, confronted by
empty shelves at the supermarkets, go foraging for food. With BSE
beef already off the menu, followed by sausages and now pork,
filling a German belly is becoming nearly impossible. As hunger
grips, no one, not even the dedicated Kreuzberg zoo keepers, will
object to a bit of free-range poultry.
Other options are fast running out. Even those still willing to risk
steak are finding that restaurants are no longer serving it, while
meat counters have at best only a token display of browning beef.
After the first scare in November, shoppers switched to game. Now
the consumers are being informed that venison is also dodgy,
because deer in German forests are apparently fed on the same
kind of bone-meal fodder that has brought BSE to cattle.
Lamb is to be avoided, scientists warn, because of scrapie. Battery
chickens come laced with salmonella and occasionally dioxin.
Cats and dogs, in case anyone should fancy them, are out
because of the low-grade beef they consume.
Other pets, such as hamsters and guinea-pigs, are equally
unwholesome because they, too, have been unwittingly munching
on the remnants of animal carcasses for years.
That, more or less, leaves fish, largely unknown to German cuisine
apart from the roll-mop variety. Fresh fish, in any case, is hard to
find.
There was also pork, of course, prepared in hundreds of ingenious
ways from the humble fried chop to Helmut Kohl's beloved
Saumagen, or stuffed pig's stomach. No German would starve
while there was pork around in abundance.
Unfortunately, officials discovered last week that millions of
Bavarian pigs have for years been fattened up with the help of
illegal drugs, including the sort of anabolic steroids that enabled
East German female athletes to swim as fast as men, at the price
of growing hair on their chests.
To someone who does not wish to repeat the feat, pork is looking
rather unappetising.
It is bad news for most Germans, who would rather die than
become vegetarian. What are they supposed to eat? That is the
question preoccupying much of the nation's media, with television
channels scheduling special programmes every day in search of
the elusive answer. But so far, consumers have only learnt from
these what they cannot eat, not what they can.
That leaves Alfred Biolek, Germany's best-known TV chef, with the task
of educating the masses. Mr Biolek is trying to wean people off their
traditional greasy meat and stodgy veg. Viewers learnt the secrets of
gnocchi wi
th chanterelle mushrooms last week. They got the recipe for sauerkraut
soup a week earlier.
What people can eat is also a political question in certain sensitive
areas. For instance, the German parliament's canteen appears to have
banned both beef and pork. Its latest offerings include cabbage stew,
elk ragout,
and organic vegetarian cannelloni.
Beef has also been declared verboten in the armed forces, presumably on
the grounds that you cannot have mad soldiers. But too much muscle has
never done the troops any harm, so pork is still allowed.
Everyone else must get used to elk, reindeer, ostrich, crocodile
and other exotic meats which have recently turned up at the shops,
or go hunting. In this frenzy, the sheep in Kreuzberg are probably
safe for the moment, but the rabbits had better watch out.
Old Gustav, by the way, survived the zoo keepers' feast because
he was thought to be too chewy.


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credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

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Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to "hurt" Women

[Nessie]

-Caveat Lector-

>NESSIE, as for your threats to "hurt" the poster, 


I did no such thing. I merely defined the conditions under which I
would hurt the poster (or anybody else, for that matter). I did this by
once again restating the by now well known fact that I require people in
my physical presence to treat me and my friends with respect. That's how
I live my life. If you don't like it, too bad. If you don’t like us,
keep it to yourself and go somewhere else. 



>I cannot  tell you the contempt with which I now hold you. 


Like I care.




>I have  been doing volunteer work with battered women the last three
years. 


Good for you. Now let's get back to the topic. We're not talking about
battered women here. We're not even talking about women. We’re talking
about pixels on a screen.

What on earth makes you think the "Kindred Spirit" is a woman? It is
every bit as likely that "Kindred Spirit" is a man, a committee, a
literary character, or an Artificial Intelligence subroutine. There is
simply no way to tell.

Consider the context. This is NOT in person, face to face. This is the
internet. People regularly assume multiple personas here. It's the norm.
For all you know for sure, I myself am a woman. Just because I say I am
not proves nothing. It is also equally likely that I myself am  a
committee, a literary character, or an Artificial Intelligence
subroutine. You don’t know. You can’t know.

So, not knowing what "Kindred Spirit" is, or for that matter what you
are, I restate my position. This applies to everybody, male, female,
animal and machine. I don't care what you think, what you say when I'm
not present, or what you say on the internet. It's nothing but a bunch
of pixels on a screen. It's not worth getting upset about.  

But if you track me down, and come into my real world physical presence,
you are going to have to play by my rules just like everybody else does
when they are in my physical presence. Those rules are simple. I enforce
them vigorously: 

  (1.) Do not attempt to harm me or any of my friends. 

  (2.) Show respect. 

Otherwise I'll hurt you. It’s as simple as that. 

If you are a woman, I'll let you insult me and only get insults back.
I’m pretty good at insults. They’ll hurt plenty. Hell, I'll even let you
swing on me first, once and only once. I won't let you pull a gun. Pull
a gun and I’ll treat you like I’d treat anybody else who pulls a gun.

Men I cut even  less slack. If you're a man, don't even look like you're
thinking about hurting me. It's the wrong move. It will precipitate a
preemptive strike. And if you pull a gun, I'll kill you on the spot.
Promise.  Insult me to my face, insult my friends in front of me,
especially with a racial slur, and I WILL kick your butt into the middle
of next week.  Promise. And you’ll make a very satisfying thump when you
hit the floor.

Capiesc'?

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[CTRL] Zoos raided as German food scares grow

[Carl Amedio]

news | World  | Europe  | 2001-01  Zoos raided as German food scares grow
By Imre Karacs in Berlin 28 January 2001 What a sad place the little city zoo
in Berlin's Kreuzberg district is. Children weep for their missing
favourites; Gustav the gander, his wings drooping in sorrow, pines for his
harem. All the other geese have vanished in recent days, along with four
ducks and seven hens. The staff have eaten them. Nothing seems sacred any
more as Germans, confronted by empty shelves at the supermarkets, go foraging
for food. With BSE beef already off the menu, followed by sausages and now
pork, filling a German belly is becoming nearly impossible. As hunger grips,
no one, not even the dedicated Kreuzberg zoo keepers, will object to a bit of
free-range poultry. Other options are fast running out. Even those still
willing to risk steak are finding that restaurants are no longer serving it,
while meat counters have at best only a token display of browning beef. After
the first scare in November, shoppers switched to game. Now the consumers are
being informed that venison is also dodgy, because deer in German forests are
apparently fed on the same kind of bone-meal fodder that has brought BSE to
cattle. Lamb is to be avoided, scientists warn, because of scrapie. Battery
chickens come laced with salmonella and occasionally dioxin. Cats and dogs,
in case anyone should fancy them, are out because of the low-grade beef they
consume. Other pets, such as hamsters and guinea-pigs, are equally
unwholesome because they, too, have been unwittingly munching on the remnants
of animal carcasses for years. That, more or less, leaves fish, largely
unknown to German cuisine apart from the roll-mop variety. Fresh fish, in any
case, is hard to find. There was also pork, of course, prepared in hundreds
of ingenious ways from the humble fried chop to Helmut Kohl's beloved Saumagen
, or stuffed pig's stomach. No German would starve while there was pork
around in abundance. Unfortunately, officials discovered last week that
millions of Bavarian pigs have for years been fattened up with the help of
illegal drugs, including the sort of anabolic steroids that enabled East
German female athletes to swim as fast as men, at the price of growing hair
on their chests. To someone who does not wish to repeat the feat, pork is
looking rather unappetising. It is bad news for most Germans, who would
rather die than become vegetarian. What are they supposed to eat? That is the
question preoccupying much of the nation's media, with television channels
scheduling special programmes every day in search of the elusive answer. But
so far, consumers have only learnt from these what they cannot eat, not what
they can. That leaves Alfred Biolek, Germany's best-known TV chef, with the
task of educating the masses. Mr Biolek is trying to wean people off their
traditional greasy meat and stodgy veg. Viewers learnt the secrets of gnocchi
with chanterelle mushrooms last week. They got the recipe for sauerkraut soup
a week earlier. What people can eat is also a political question in certain
sensitive areas. For instance, the German parliament's canteen appears to
have banned both beef and pork. Its latest offerings include cabbage stew,
elk ragout, and organic vegetarian cannelloni. Beef has also been declared 
verboten in the armed forces, presumably on the grounds that you cannot have
mad soldiers. But too much muscle has never done the troops any harm, so pork
is still allowed. Everyone else must get used to elk, reindeer, ostrich,
crocodile and other exotic meats which have recently turned up at the shops,
or go hunting. In this frenzy, the sheep in Kreuzberg are probably safe for
the moment, but the rabbits had better watch out. Old Gustav, by the way,
survived the zoo keepers' feast because he was thought to be too chewy.
news | World  | Europe  | 2001-01   Up



 

Re: [CTRL] Unnatural disaster: Deregulated California utilities

[Theodor Parada, MD]

-Caveat Lector-

> Unnatural disaster
> Deregulated California utilities are electrocuting the public.
> Ohio is next
>
> by Harvey Wasserman
> Electric utility deregulation has become a spectacular catastrophe,
> starting in California and stretching deep into our economic and
> ecological future, here in Ohio and nationwide.
>
> To keep it simple, we'll start with the top 10 truths about this unnatural
> disaster:
>
> 1. There is no electric supply shortage threatening California (or the
> nation), only a series of complex, cynical manipulations that have ramped
> prices sky high, yielding enormous profits for a few distributors and
> generators.
>
Get a grip on reality.
The problem, is that no new sources of electricity have been
developed in CA and this state continues to grow.  I was just at a
conference in Phoenix, while there I was told that they're building
4(four) NEW power planets to provide for their anticipated population
growth!!
Nuclear is clean and safe.
It doesn't matter who runs the utilities, if you don't have a source
generating the power, there will not be any power. Maybe here in CA
they can gather up all the endangered desert rats and place them on a
wheel and have them run! and voila they'll have cheap energy!
LOL. Or, maybe they could put a few windmills at the doors and
windows of the CA legislature and continue to blow themselves out of
a crisis that they made with their insane eco/epa policies.
Technology has advanced but the mentality and mindset of the
politician and neo-nazi environmentalist hasn't.

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[CTRL] Zoos raided as German food scares grow

[kl]

-Caveat Lector-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Europe/2001-
01/raided280101.shtml

Zoos raided as German food scares grow
By Imre Karacs in Berlin
28 January 2001
What a sad place the little city zoo in Berlin's Kreuzberg district is.
Children weep for their missing favourites; Gustav the gander, his
wings drooping in sorrow, pines for his harem. All the other geese
have vanished in recent days, along with four ducks and seven
hens. The staff have eaten them.
Nothing seems sacred any more as Germans, confronted by
empty shelves at the supermarkets, go foraging for food. With BSE
beef already off the menu, followed by sausages and now pork,
filling a German belly is becoming nearly impossible. As hunger
grips, no one, not even the dedicated Kreuzberg zoo keepers, will
object to a bit of free-range poultry.
Other options are fast running out. Even those still willing to risk
steak are finding that restaurants are no longer serving it, while
meat counters have at best only a token display of browning beef.
After the first scare in November, shoppers switched to game. Now
the consumers are being informed that venison is also dodgy,
because deer in German forests are apparently fed on the same
kind of bone-meal fodder that has brought BSE to cattle.
Lamb is to be avoided, scientists warn, because of scrapie. Battery
chickens come laced with salmonella and occasionally dioxin.
Cats and dogs, in case anyone should fancy them, are out
because of the low-grade beef they consume.
Other pets, such as hamsters and guinea-pigs, are equally
unwholesome because they, too, have been unwittingly munching
on the remnants of animal carcasses for years.
That, more or less, leaves fish, largely unknown to German cuisine
apart from the roll-mop variety. Fresh fish, in any case, is hard to
find.
There was also pork, of course, prepared in hundreds of ingenious
ways from the humble fried chop to Helmut Kohl's beloved
Saumagen, or stuffed pig's stomach. No German would starve
while there was pork around in abundance.
Unfortunately, officials discovered last week that millions of
Bavarian pigs have for years been fattened up with the help of
illegal drugs, including the sort of anabolic steroids that enabled
East German female athletes to swim as fast as men, at the price
of growing hair on their chests.
To someone who does not wish to repeat the feat, pork is looking
rather unappetising.
It is bad news for most Germans, who would rather die than
become vegetarian. What are they supposed to eat? That is the
question preoccupying much of the nation's media, with television
channels scheduling special programmes every day in search of
the elusive answer. But so far, consumers have only learnt from
these what they cannot eat, not what they can.
That leaves Alfred Biolek, Germany's best-known TV chef, with the task of educating 
the masses. Mr Biolek is trying to wean people off their traditional greasy meat and 
stodgy veg. Viewers learnt the secrets of gnocchi wi
th chanterelle mushrooms last week. They got the recipe for sauerkraut soup a week 
earlier.
What people can eat is also a political question in certain sensitive areas. For 
instance, the German parliament's canteen appears to have banned both beef and pork. 
Its latest offerings include cabbage stew, elk ragout,
and organic vegetarian cannelloni.
Beef has also been declared verboten in the armed forces, presumably on the grounds 
that you cannot have mad soldiers. But too much muscle has never done the troops any 
harm, so pork is still allowed.
Everyone else must get used to elk, reindeer, ostrich, crocodile
and other exotic meats which have recently turned up at the shops,
or go hunting. In this frenzy, the sheep in Kreuzberg are probably
safe for the moment, but the rabbits had better watch out.
Old Gustav, by the way, survived the zoo keepers' feast because
he was thought to be too chewy.


--


What is politics, after all, but the compulsion to preside over property and make 
other peoples' decisions for them? --Tom Robbinsá- Skinny Legs and All

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[CTRL] Fw: MORE ON GREENSPAN MARKET MANIPULATION LAWSUIT

[Amelia]

Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 5:56 AM

Subject: MORE ON GREENSPAN MARKET MANIPULATION LAWSUIT

Subj:[GATA] South African paper raises illegal gold 
  manipulation issue Date:1/25/01 11:41:08 PM Central Standard Time 
  From:    [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GATA Committee) To: 
     [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  12:15p ET Friday, January 26, 2001 Dear Friend of GATA and 
  Gold: The following is an English translation of two articles 
  published last weekend in Rapport, an Afrikaans- language newspaper, 
  in Johannesburg, South Africa. They show that South Africa is taking 
  notice of the imminent visit there by GATA Chairman Bill Murphy and 
  Reginald H. Howe, our litigant against the gold cabal. CHRIS 
  POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc. 
  * * * Anglo denies benefiting from lower gold price By 
  Curt von Keyserlingk   The gold price should be more than $600 
  per ounce but is being held below $270 by an unlawful conspiracy. 
  So says American Gold Anti-Trust Action (GATA) committee chairman 
  William Murphy. GATA supports a lawsuit brought by its adviser, Reginald 
  Howe, in an American court for damages in this regard. Murphy and 
  Howe will be in South Africa next week to discuss their allegations with 
  gold producers, mining unions, and the government. Howe claims in 
  court documents that Anglogold and Barrick of Canada "bear considerable 
  confidential knowledge" of the conspiracy and that they profit from 
  it, but that they "apparently do not play a significant role in the 
  execution of the conspiracy." Defendants include Alan Greenspan, 
  chairman of the American Federal Reserve Board; Lawrence Summers, U.S. 
  treasury secretary; and J.P. Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, 
  Deutsche Bank, and the Bank for International Settlements. Howe 
  describes their actions as "among the greatest scandals in economic 
  history." Murphy writes in an e-mail to Sake-Rapport that should 
  Anglogold know that the gold price will not rise, it earns additional 
  income by maximizing its hedging at a lower price. He says Anglogold also 
  profits from a lower gold price because this weakens competing gold 
  producers, allowing Anglogold to acquire them cheaply,   as is 
  currently happening. "If we had known that the gold price was being 
  held down, we would have hedged considerably more of our production," 
  says Kelvin Williams, Anglogold's marketing director. "We hedge only 20 
  percent of our output -- relatively little in comparison with other 
  producers." Williams points out that Anglogold's low-hedged 
  production equals only 30 percent of the production hedged by 
  Australian mines, and considerably less than North American mines. 
  Williams says Anglogold's low hedging level makes it easier to 
  make more money when the gold price rises. This contrasts with the case of 
  Ashanti, a gold mine in Ghana, which hedged a great portion of production 
  and consequently came close to bankruptcy in 1999 when the gold price 
  soared. During periods of rising prices, a producer that hedges 
  must pay the difference between the hedge price and the market price 
  to the bank in advance. This causes cash flow pressure because payments 
  relate to production that has not yet been soared. Williams says 
  he is willing to hold discussions with Howe and Murphy, should they so 
  request. "We support any endeavour whereby gold would benefit," 
  says Ferdi Dippenaar, marketing director of the non- hedging group, 
  Harmony. This means that profits are more closely linked to the gold price 
  than those of Anglogold. Dippenaar e-mailed GATA this month, 
  confirming that his group and GATA were to hold further discussions about 
  imbalances in the gold price. He told Sake-Rapport that some 
  Harmony shareholders supported GATA while others remained skeptical about 
  allegations. * * * This is how the gold price is 
  manipulated By Curt von Keyserlingk   The "conspiracy" to 
  keep the gold price down is spurred by two causes, says Reginald Howe, the 
  man who has subpoenaed (among others) American Federal Reserve Board 
  Chairman Alan Greenspan and some of the world's largest banks. 
  Howe says American authorities campaign for this, as a lower gold 
  price masks inflation and the massive U.S. payments deficit and at the 
  same time maintains dollar strength artificially. Banks loaned 
  huge amounts of gold to parties who sold it, and such banks would have 
  suffered huge losses if the price had risen, because clients could not 
  afford to repurchase gold at higher prices in order to return it to 
  the banks at the end of the loan term. William Murphy of GATA 
  estimates that banks are currently lending between 10,000 and 12,000 tons 
  of gold. In court documents Howe says Greenpan admitted to a 
  committee of the American Congress in 1998 that central banks were 
  poised to lend gold in increasing quantities should the price rise. Such 
  actio

[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

inri, I don't think from your position in Canada you can
possibly have a very clear picture of the school system
here.  All I know is what I read but more importantly, my
own personal experience with having children in this system
for 16 years and being a PTA officer and school volunteer.My
children are older now so I want the parents who currently
have children in school to have a voice in what is done to
their children.  I wish I had been able to have more input
into the education of my own.

Much of the problem is racial in nature in the fact of
crime, gangs and teachers being unable to maintain order
long enough to teach.  I do not think vouchers will result
in racial segregation as schools will probably have some
sort of racial quota requirement.  If it should result in
segregation, who is to blame?  The schools have been fully
integrated for thirty years so why did this not work?  Whose
fault is it?  Do black children miraculously learn
more/better if in immediate proximity of white ones?

Consider my younger child's experience in school:  He was
all of 11 and in the sixth grade when one day the teacher
left the room and within five minutes two students
(Black)were engaged in an act of sodomy. It made CNN for a
couple of rounds until someone with enough clout had the
story pulled.  The kid who "told' was beaten senseless by
several black students before the day was out but it was
their word against his and he was labeled a racists and
charged with starting a fight.  My son's life was not
threatened until he reached the ninth grade, however, as he
was one of the lucky ones with an older brother to act as
body guard.  It was then that he entered high school, a
veritable crime zone.  I remember buying four or five
scientific calculators that year as he was relieved of his,
and anything else black students wanted daily as they set up
at the three entrances to the school and helped themselves
to anything the white kids had daily.  Fights are a daily
occurrence, knives are pulled, lives are threatened, one
white girl was raped by three black students when she
accepted a ride home from working on floats with one of
them.  I could go on with things that happened to my
children of a racial nature endlessly.  The school board
installed a black principal thinking the black parents would
accept discipline for their children from another black but
no matter what the situation, she ruled the black the victim
of racism, racists, bigotry, etc.  When legal charges are
brought, because of their ages and being juvenile, very
little was ever done.

When individual teachers would try to instill some manner of
order and discipline, parents of black children would say
their children were being targeted, discriminated against,
etc. meanwhile the black students would daily start fires in
the waste cans, break the lavatories off the walls in the
restrooms, and anyone who tried to stop them would be
threatened and called a racist, etc.  Black parents would
bring in civil rights activists from all over the place.
Remember when Jesse Jackson even got involved in getting off
those black kids who beat up many people at a football game,
rioting through the bleachers, etc.

There was a time when I would have thought segregations was
wrong but couple my kid's experiences with the hate being
generated in this society today by those who fear their
socialist agenda off track and I am not so sure.  One of my
kids attended a private school for two years of high school
and it was NOT a religious school.  Many are not.
Darlington Academy of Rome, Georgia.  My oldest sister has
worked for the Hamilton County Board of Education for well
over thirty years and her only child NEVER set foot in a
public school. She said she would gladly work two or even
three jobs if she had to to keep him out of the public
school system. Wish I had known how to go about home
schooling when mine were enrolled in this hellish system.
But, yes, I am definitely for anything to keep children out
of these mini war zones and from the brainwashing being
administered there.
Amelia

- Original Message -
From: "inri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT
By School Vouchers???


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> > You might want to do a bit more research on vouchers
before
> > getting so upset.  That is not the way they work and
they
> > WILL have the money to use to educate their children in
the
> > school of their choice. It will not require anybody to
be
> > wealthy to educate their children as the vouchers are
issued
> > based on the child, not income with a set amount per
child.
> > This amount will fully cover the cost of the education
of
> > that child and will be sufficient for that at a number
of
> > schools.
>
> until the schools start raising prices as the market
dictates, of course.
> surely the tuition will not be REQUIRED to be the amount
hande

[CTRL] Fw: The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

> Subject: The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America
>
> Are you concerned about the sorry state of education in
America today?
>
> Please contact as many Congress people as you can to urge
them to abolish
> the Federal Dept. of Education.
>
> US Congressional Switchboard Toll-free Numbers
> 1-800-648-3516
> 1-877-762-8762
> 1-800-722-7494
>
> The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte
Thompson Iserbyt
> http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/
>
> More Information
> The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America -- November 1999
Education Reporter
> http://eagleforum.org/educate/1999/nov99/dec99-book.html
>
> Amazon.com: buying info: The Deliberate Dumbing Down of
America - A
> Chronological Paper Trail
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966707109/qid%3D9804
33808/107-6708808-6938960
>
> Book reviews
> Reviewer: Lois L Simpson from Woodbridge, VA United States
> This book is THE BOOK - to have- EVERY CONCERNED PARENT in
America should
> invest in a copy of it.  It's the encyclopedia of just
what has been going
> on in America in the public school system- now for years
and years.  I
> can't recommend this book enough- it holds a lot of
answers to so many
> unanswered questions.  YEARS OF RESEARCH at our
fingertips- & it's the size
> of a telephone book.  It's the best inside look- it's
HONEST- OFFICIAL
> DOCUMENTATION- undisputable evidence.  If every parent
were to read this,
> we could right a terrible wrong being done in public
schools today.  I
> purchased two copies- one to share with a friend & one to
keep by my
> computer on hand.  Saves me years of research AT MY
FINGERTIPS.  What can I
> say, I could of used this book ten years ago.  So don't be
too late being
> really informed- the time to catch up is now.
> The fact she was once a Senior Policy Advisor for the US
Dept.  of
> Education- weighs a lot on the books creditability factor.
It may be in
> the number FOUR slot- but to me it's NUMBER ONE.
>
>
>

///
>
>
> June 29, 2000 Reviewer: Cherilyn Gulbrandsen from USA
> "Double agent" author/educator Charlotte Iserbyt was fired
from her
> Washington DC post in the Department of Education for
leaking this
> information to the press.  Now, 15 years later, we get the
rest of the
> story, packed with hard facts she confiscated from the
files.  A
> no-holds-barred approach.  From conservative to liberal,
no name is sacred,
> and all are accomplices to the crime.  A MUST READ!
>
>
>

/
>
>
> April 25, 2000 Reviewer: Gerry R.  Coleman from usa
> In a telephone sized nutshell you can see source materials
on the
> deliberate socialization of our public school system.  For
over 50 years
> the public school system has been controlled by
psychologists and social
> planners out to create a non thinking reacting high school
graduate.  What
> child can actually think and reason in these schools
today?  Is it a
> deliberate plan to dumb our children to the point of being
unable to make
> decisions on their own?  You betcha!  Why?  The answers
lie within.
>
>
>

///
>
>
> April 21, 2000 Reviewer: Peggy S.  Cuddy, Researcher,
April 20, 2000 from
> North Carolina, USA
> If one wants to find out exactly what American tax dollars
have been
> funding for decades while students'education has been
going downhill, just
> read Charlotte Iserbyt's new book, 'The Deliberate Dumbing
Down of
> America.' In this book, concerned parents, teachers,
school
> superintendents, senators and representatives on the State
and Federal
> levels, and educational researchers will find thoroughly
documented facts,
> which are needed in order to understand what's happened to
our once
> excellent educational system.  Iserbyt is meticulous in
her research.  In
> addition, she includes firsthand experiences, and writes
in an easy to read
> style.  Important and recognizable trends are covered by
decades, so that
> they may be readily followed by those who are interested
in understanding
> the plans and events which have contributed to the
downward transformation
> of our schools and our society.
>
> So impressed by the need for wide circulation of this
dedicated
> researcher's findings, I personally donated "The
Deliberate Dumbing Down of
> America" to the library system in my area.  hopefully,
other readers will
> want to order and donate it to their local public library
or nearby college
> library, or request that local libraries order it.  The
sooner its
> distribution all across our country occurs, the sooner a
greater public
> awareness and understanding of our educational crisis will
occur, and thus
> a real solution should soon follow...  END
>
> Source:
> WorldNetDaily
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/
>
>
> Deliberately dumbing us down By Samuel L.  Blumenfeld
>
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=162
49
>
> 12-16-

Re: [CTRL] JUDICIAL WATCH FILES COMPLAINT AGAINST SENATOR HILLARY

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 01/27/2001 11:55:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
 Inquiry Sought Into Wholesale Gift Grab and Influence Peddling

 (Washington DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that
 investigates and prosecutes government corruption, said today
 that it is filing a complaint with the Senate Select Committee on
 Ethics over the conduct of the junior senator from New York,
 Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. >>

Fabulous.  Wouldn't want that bunch to be out of their jobs.  I was really
worried.  Wht will happen to "Judicial Watch" I asked myself.  Now I know.
They will watch forever.  I was hoping they might watch the "judicial" stuff
at the Supreme Court, but as long as they're active, I guess they'll get a
paycheck.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] FW: Republican Party Racists

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

LOL!  Typical, citing a website that has had a total,
counting Aleisha, of four visitors.  When disseminating
disinformation, always cite the exception and the obscure
and try to apply it to the mass.  Desperate times call for
desperate measures. And when all else fails, point out
typos!
Amelia


- Original Message -
From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: Republican Party Racists


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> So Nessie - I pulled up the website of these people, and I
must be
> visitor number 4 - for this is a new site
>
> Now ADL, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton - probably founded
this
> site..they just pick on Republicans 
>
> While I am a segregationist by choice it seems for years
white people
> just quietly move to the suburbs to get away from the big
cities, often
> too polite to say away from the "racial" problems.
>
> Now where I am people are already moving further
out.even Lex Wexner
> moved here.   He must be sick of it too - and hey that guy
got tax
> abatement?
>
> So I reproduce this for you as visitor number 4 of this
site.
>
> Now I have an idea - Columbus is attempting to woo whites
back to the
> city - now let us see how succesful this will be with
shoot bys, rapes,
> murders, and I say;, at twilight time its time to vacate
this once great
> city where people used to love to go shopping, look into
the Lazaras
> window and the beautiful mechanical Christmas decorations,
etc.
>
> So..maybe I am a racist - I do not care what anybody
calls
> it..but what happens when old whitey has nowhere to
run?
>
> Civility will cease...a well armed militia and
well armed public
> at least in the suburbs, we do not mess around.
>
> Saba   -
>
> Wonder how much this crap will cost Al Gore and
Clinton..and ADL I
> say, now are on endangered species list?
>
>
> The Two Faces of the Republican Party
> HOME | RICHARD M. SCAIFE | DICK ARMEY | BOB BARR | GARY
BAUER | DAN
> BURTON
> PAT ROBERTSON | ADOLPH COORS | JAMES DOBSON | JERRY
FALWELL
> TOM DELAY | CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISTS
> Presented by the Religious Freedom Coalition of the
Southeast
>
>
> Neo-Confederate Nazi Racial Bigots of the GOP rise to the
Top
> Excerpts from a news story by Stanley Crouch
> Somewhere in the material of the Council of Conservative
Citizens, the
> statement is made that one should be a Nazi - but never
use the word.
> That seems to be the approach the council is taking now
that more and
> more light is being cast on its white supremacist
doctrine, its vision
> of Negroes as "monkeys," its belief there was no such
thing as the
> Holocaust and so on.
> This exposure would not be happening if some of us in the
media hadn't
> focused on the fact that Senate Majority Leader Trent
Lott, R-Miss., and
> Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., have associated with the council.
In the
> Washington Post, the New York Times and the Los Angeles
Times, the heat
> has been turned up.
> The question that is beginning to spread is one that I
believe I first
> raised in this column: Why is there less coverage of this
story -
> which has real political import - than of sex, lies,
soiled dresses
> and Hustler magazine?
> What appears before us now is clear: Neo-Confederates with
a disguised
> racial policy have risen to the top of the GOP.
> But this rise is something that has to remain under wraps,
because in
> the era of Michael Jordan, one cannot just come out and be
a hard-core
> racist.  That would be impolitic.   Be a Nazi, but never
use the
> word.  That is why Lott and Barr have repudiated the
council's
> philosophy.  That is why the council denies its own
identity and, in
> the words of its CEO, Gene Lee Baum, says that it is
primarily a
> conservative organization focused on the rights and
culture of
> Euro-Americans.
> The material on this organization keeps stacking up,
however, and the
> claims Lott and Barr have made about not knowing what the
council is
> about don't really hold water.
> Lott has spoken to the organization a number of times, has
written a
> column for its publication and, according to his uncle,
has had ties to
> it for a long time. In 1992, he praised the council for
its philosophy.
> In 1997, council leaders met with the Mississippi senator
in his
> Washington office.
> In June, when Barr appeared as the keynote speaker at a
council meeting
> in South Carolina, the atmosphere was clearly that of a
racist
> organization.
> There was plenty of material on sale about "Nordic"
superiority and
> black inferiority, plus revisionist Holocaust documents
and
> pro-Confederacy tracts about "the lost cause." Barr,
supposedly, didn't
> notice any of it.
> This is part of something that has recently taken place in
our society.
> The racist of old would come right out and call an
insulting name at
> those who raised his paranoia.   But these guys are
cagier.  Or more
> cowardly.
> Abraham Foxman of the Anti-D

[CTRL] Fw: Panel urges filtering of blood supply

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

: Friday, January 26, 2001 8:09 PM
Subject: Panel urges filtering of blood supply


> http://www.msnbc.com/news/522188.asp
>

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[CTRL] CA news blackout on cause of energy crisis

[kl]

-Caveat Lector-

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/1/26/192056.shtml

Indonesian Power Deal Blows Financial Fuse
Charles R. Smith
Saturday, Jan. 27, 2001
Californians are suffering from a blackout - not
one of electric power but of the news. The mainstream media,
including Time/CNN, continue to maintain that the recent
financial short-circuits inside California's energy grid are all
due to state economic and environmental regulations. Nothing
could be further from the truth.

In 1994, Edison Mission Energy landed a trade trip with Ron
Brown to Indonesia. As a result of that trip, Edison also ended
up with a contract to build the Paiton I coal-fired power plant.
Paiton I was billed as the first "private" electric plant in
Indonesia. In 1994, "private" ownership in Indonesia equated
into owned and operated by the Suharto "first family."

The partners in the Paiton I consortium include Edison Mission
Energy, Mitsui & Co. Ltd. of Japan, General Electric Capital Corp.
and P.T. Batu Hitam Perkasa. Just by coincidence,
of course, P.T. Batu was owned by Indonesian dictator Suharto's
youngest daughter, Titek Prabowo, and her brother-in-law, Hashim
Djojohadikusumo.

According to the Commerce Department, 0.75 percent of the
Paiton project was reserved for Suharto's daughter Prabowo, or an
instant $15 million in cash. Her kickback, along with a cut for
"brother-in-law" Hashim and other Suharto relatives, was
to be provided up front, in cash, in the form of a $50 million
loan. The $50 million loan was to be paid back by the profits
or dividends from the power plant.

The U.S. Commerce Department was not the only agency to take
notice of Edison's special contract with Suharto's daughter. In
1994, agents from the Central Intelligence Agency met with
Chinagate figure John Huang on the Paiton Power Plant. The
1994 meeting between the intelligence agency and Huang included
detailed information about the $2.6 billion Paiton electric
power plant for Indonesia.

According to the documents, CIA agents Bob Beamer, Chris
Crosby, Lia Fidas and Nancy Goldcamp attended an August 1994
TPCC, or Trade Policy Coordinating Committee, meeting with John
Huang.

The subject of the CIA meeting was U.S. government-financed
trade deals that contained "first family involvement" or illegal
payments made to relatives of then Indonesian dictator Suharto.

A 1994 Commerce Department report found in Huang's files noted
that the Indonesian Paiton power plant had encountered difficulties
with financing because the Asian Development Bank (ADB) knew it
contained money for a Suharto family member.

"ADB had raised concern about first family involvement during its
consideration of the $50 million financial portion," states the Paiton
Project document found in Huang's files.

"Ambassador Barry stated that the project is facing two problems
(i) the ADB financing may cave in and (ii) EXIM financing.
Regarding ADB, technical questions have been satisfied, but ADB
is skiddish about involvement of Indonesia's first family (a minority
shareholder is married to Pres. Suharto's daughter)."

In addition, 1994 documents provided by the Offshore Private
Investment Corporation (OPIC) noted that Suharto's daughter
Prabowo and her brother-in-law, Hashim Djojohadikusumo, were
given a total 2.5 percent ownership in the U.S.-sponsored power
project, through their local company BHP.

"ADB is still considering this, b/c of very minimal involvement
of Indo ruling family in the Mission project... ADB's delay
revolves around concern for projects in Indonesia involving the
first family. .75% ownership of the Mission project by daughter
of Indo pres."

Directly after meeting with the CIA on the known Suharto "first
family" involvement inside the Edison Paiton power project, Huang
proceeded to place a three-hour call to his former employer, the
Lippo Group. In 1999, Huang pled guilty to federal charges of
making illegal political contributions to the Clinton-Gore campaign.
Huang took the Fifth Amendment more than 2,000 times when
asked by Judicial Watch if he had ties to Chinese intelligence.

The documents show that Edison officials were aware of the $50
million destined for Suharto's daughter. Newly released documents
also show that Edison Chairman John Bryson actually pressed
Secretary Ron Brown to support the $50 no-payback loan.

Federal Election Commission records show that Mission Energy
CEO John Bryson donated money to the Clinton-Gore campaign
and contributed money to President Clinton's legal defense fund. In
1994, Bryson also wrote a personal letter to Brown, pressing for
quick approval of the $50 million U.S. government-backed loan.

"Dear Ron," wrote Bryson, then chairman of Southern California
Edison. "I am writing to request your support of the application of
the Paiton Private Power Project in Indonesia for funding by the
Asian Development Bank (ADB)."

"We have applied to the ADB for $50 million of funding as part of a
$1.9 billion financing package. 

Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to "hurt" Women

[kl]

-Caveat Lector-

Amelia,

Thanks for a great post.

--


Take away the right to say 'fuck' and you take
away the right to say 'fuck the government.'
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[CTRL] OT-HUMOR-HOW TO TELL IF YOUR COW HAS MAD COW DISEASE

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

> This has some really neat "moo" sounds.  My dogs love it!
AKE
>
> How To Recognize Mad Cow Disease
> (By Just Say Wow)
>
> Click below to see this page and to join the Just Say Wow
mailing list:
>
http://www.flowgo.com/rsubf.cfm?id=bzkfSiwwgljbjpzDodw&s=10&;
p=1863&d=01-26-01
>
> To just visit the recommended page, click here:
>
http://www.flowgo.com/refer/redir.cfm?page_id=1863&d=01-26-0
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[CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to "hurt" Women

[Amelia]

-Caveat Lector-

> I am not saying this is true or not true. Just
> > forwarding.
> > KS
> >
> > The Real Story of Rosa Parks

I have been out most of this week so today is the first
chance I have had to go over this situation with the alleged
failure to use a disclaimer.  The above was at the beginning
of the post by Kindred Spirit in addition to the "FYI" in
the subject matter.  I believe this was far more than
adequate as a disclaimer.  Those of you who attacked her and
stated that she was personally making the comments contained
in the article, name calling, etc. are 'way out of line.
Your usual attempts to silence anybody not in agreement with
you display your little agenda. I wonder if Kris really
wants you to decimate his list for him while he is trying to
promote the book, etc.

NESSIE, as for your threats to "hurt" the poster, I cannot
tell you the contempt with which I now hold you.  I have
been doing volunteer work with battered women the last three
years.  Yesterday afternoon, I went to court with one as the
organization with which I am associated, Hope Place,
assists women in getting out of relationships with and away
from men who think exactly as you said you do in the second
post to Kindred Spirit, the one where you will "hurt" her if
she insults one of your friends, etc.

That excuse if not right after "she made me do it" is in the
top 5 you abusers use.  NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO "HURT"
ANOTHER PERSON EXCEPT IN SELF DEFENSE.  Not even you,
Nessie. Do you still have your radio show?  Have  you shared
with your sponsors your right to hurt people?  If not, why
not and if so, do they approve?

So based on your logic and belief system that one hurts
those who say/post/think things of which one does not
approve or deems insulting, what if, just for example, I
find your constantly calling people who are my friend or
those for whom I have regard "Nazi, bigoted, racist" when I
know you are lying, I would be entitled to forward your
posts to my two former classmates in the San Francisco (and
one in San Diego) who could, in turn, pass them all around
until somebody decided they believed as you do and had the
right to hurt you.

JUNE, I was surprised that you remained silent while Nessie
threatened to hurt another poster but after reading your
remarks concerning Super Bowl Sunday, apparently you are
into this men hurting women thing, too.  I wish you could
see some of the women who arrive in the Huntsville shelter,
which is totally inadequate.  I have had two in my home
briefly when there was not room at the shelter but it is
always a frightening thing as these men with the right to
hurt women may find us.  They have to stay inside, away from
windows and cannot use the phone, lie down in the backseat
of my car under a blanket to get to the house.  I have to
lock a gate to my driveway, another to my yard and a third
to my immediate back yard and entrance, etc., a whole series
of required safe guards to even offer these women shelter as
all too often these men who "hurt" women find them and kill
or injure others to get to the object of their abuse.

Whether or not it is SuperBowl Sunday when these things
happen, go to the DOJ website on the Violence Against Women
Act section and read how 4,000 women are killed every year
by men who think just like this, that they have the "right"
to hurt if their friends are insulted, their dinner is cold,
the kids are noisy or whatever. Often they claim they only
meant to "hurt" the woman and express their surprise at how
easily she was killed.  Only 200-300 men are killed by
domestic violence during a year so spare me the "men are
abused. too" routine.  Heard it.  Lots.  Seldom applies.
This has been a cause on which I have spent a great deal of
my time and effort over the last three years and it is very
dear to my heart.  I also moderate a support list for these
women.  I have nothing but the greatest contempt for men who
treat women this way even if it is just in a threat over the
internet.
Amelia

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[CTRL] Reports Of White House Trashing Greatly Exaggerated

[William Shannon]

Jan. 25, 2001 | 'Porn bombs' or 'spic and span'?
Some recent press reports suggest Bill Clinton and crew left behind a
different sort of legacy at the White House when they departed Saturday.
Weekend reports of Clinton aides gamely popping the "W" off of computer
keyboards quickly turned to murmurs of vandalism, with Drudge reporting that
the damage bordered on the criminal, with phone lines slashed, obscenities
scrawled on walls, something called "porn bombs" and obscene messages left on
the voice mail system, among other transgressions. Drudge also reported that
the incoming Bush administration is conducting a full investigation of these
actions.
But by Thursday afternoon, the buzz had died somewhat after White House press
secretary Ari Fleischer denied in his afternoon briefing that any
"investigation" was going on, though he did say Bush and company were busy
cataloging any damage that they had found in the White House. When he was
pressed on the details, Fleischer was determined not to be pinned down on any
specific incidents, claiming Bush didn't want to play the blame game on
transition messes. "The president understands that transitions can be times
of difficulty and strong emotion, and he's going to approach it in that
vein," he said.
Jake Siewert, the press secretary under Clinton, claims that there's not much
for Bush to forgive, at least not in the West Wing. "The place was really
spic and span," said Siewart, who says he was among the last to exit the
building Saturday.
Siewert didn't think Bush was owed an apology because a little disorder
should be expected during a presidential transition. "I was there for the
transition back in 1992, and it was a mess, too," he said. Unlike the new
Bushies, however, the Clintons didn't take it personally. "Imagine if you
were at a private corporation with about 400 people working there," he said.
"Then one day, they all left, and another 400 people came in and wanted to
run things. It would be chaos." --Alicia Montgomery [2:35 p.m. PST, January
26, 2001]


http://www.salon.com/politics/fix/2001/01/25/political_fix/index.html

[CTRL] Kinsley-Count Your Blessings

[William Shannon]

Count Your Blessings


By Michael Kinsley
Friday, January 26, 2001; Page A23

When did they pass the constitutional amendment requiring every president and
would-be president to end every speech with the words, "God bless you and God
bless America"? Even a nonbeliever cannot reasonably object to the sentiment.
If I turn out to be mistaken about the central question of the universe, I'll
be happy enough that others were doing some celestial lobbying on my
country's behalf. And if the words are pouring into an unhearing ether,
there's no harm done.
Furthermore, it seems to have worked, so far. But is even God starting to
tire of the constant special pleading? This rhetorical sign-off is filtering
down from major speeches by national leaders to everyday speeches by members
of Congress to casual remarks by local officials. It's starting to be
suspicious if a politician doesn't conclude a public statement this way. The
missing phrase echoes loud. What's your problem, buddy? You don't want God to
bless America?
And how do we even know that the practice is limited to public statements?
One imagines the politician at home:
"Pass the salt, honey. God bless you and God bless America."
"More apple pie, Dear? God bless you and God bless America."
"May I be excused, please, Dad? God bless you."
"Just one moment, young lady. And? And?"
(Sigh.) "And God bless America."
"That's better. You're excused. God bless you and God bless America."
An unscientific romp through the databases tends to confirm that the great
American tradition we had better refer to as GBY/GBA only recently acquired
its status as the politicians' answer to "Have a nice day." ("Have a nice
day, Senator." "God bless you and God bless America.") The outbreak is worse
during election years, of course, and 2000 may have been a milestone. The
Political Transcripts file of the Federal Document Clearing House shows 13
uses of GBY/GBA in 1996, eight in 1997, seven in 1998, 12 in 1999 (including,
for example, a news conference on impeachment by Rep. Bob Barr) and 27 in
2000. This year has started out with five GBY/GBAs in just the first three
weeks: two from President Bush, two from former president Clinton and one
from Jesse Helms.
The broader Dow Jones Publications Library, tracking hundreds of media
outlets around the world, shows 338 uses of the terms "God bless you" and
"God bless America" (together) since the beginning of last year. This
obviously includes some repetitions, and the database is larger for more
recent years, but the historical comparison is nevertheless ominous. A search
of the equivalent 13-month period in 1990-91 shows only 12 GBY/GBAs. And from
January 1980 through January 1981, as far as the Dow Jones Publications
Library is concerned, nobody uttered the magic words at all!
Is it possible, I wondered, that Ronald Reagan didn't end his inaugural
addresses this way? Remarkably, Reagan's first inaugural speech, in 1981,
ended with a relatively simple, "God bless you and thank you." His second, in
1985, signed off, "God bless you and may God bless America." Nevertheless, I
suspect that emulation of the Great Communicator is responsible for this
dubious tradition. Imagine if any president from now on tried to get off the
swearing-in platform and start trying out all the buttons in the Oval Office
without a GBY/GBA. The nation would proclaim in one voice, "Go back. You
forgot to say, 'Mother, may I?' "
In another disturbing trend, God is being called on to bless you and then
bless various individual states. The Dow Jones database coughs up 21
citations for "God bless you and God bless the state of . . .," plus other
direct calls for blessings on "California" and other places self-confident
enough to assume that God already knows they are states. There is no record
of anybody ever saying, "God bless you and God bless the District of
Columbia."
We seem to be the only country that goes in for this particular formula. A
search in English through U.S.-based media collections has obvious
limitations, but nothing turned up for "God bless you and God bless the
United Kingdom" (or Britain or Great Britain or England) or "God bless
France" or Russia or Serbia or India or China or Canada. "God bless you and
God bless the European Community"? Zippo.
It's widely known that the United States is one of the most religious nations
on earth. What GBY/GBA illustrates is that religion is becoming a larger part
of our official public life, not a smaller one as many people puzzlingly
insist. There's no need to be an ACLU hysteric about this. But it does, for
example, make the complaints of some John Ashcroft supporters that he is a
victim of the political culture's alleged antipathy to religion hard to take
seriously.
And official promotion of religion -- even when it's not specific -- can
reach a point where it infringes the rights of nonbelievers. President Bush
has cut off family-planning funds for international organizations that
finance abortions on the groun

[CTRL] Leahy Statement on Ashcroft Unresponsiveness

[William Shannon]

http://www.roevbush.com/leahystatement.html


Leahy Statement on Ashcroft Unresponsiveness



Comment Of Sen. Patrick Leahy,
Ranking Member, Senate Judiciary Committee,
On Sen. Ashcroft's Responses To The Committee's Written Questions
Fri., Jan. 26, 2001
"The answers are surprisingly unresponsive and often are inconsistent with
the hearing record and with Sen. Ashcroft's own record. They are 'answers' in
the sense that there is text after the question marks, but they are not
answers to the point of being responsive.
"The committee always requires nominees to reply to its written questions as
part of the confirmation process. In this case written questions are
especially important because senators had fewer rounds of questions than
usual and because the nominee was not called back at the end of the hearings,
as we often do. Of course any nominee can choose how to respond to the
committee's questions. This nominee and his advisers have decided to
essentially ignore the committee's request for answers on several significant
subjects important to many senators. That is Sen. Ashcroft's choice. The
refusal to provide substantive answers is another factor that senators will
have to take into account in deciding how they will vote. I will say that if
President Clinton or a Clinton nominee had provided these answers, some
Republicans would be calling for impeachment or a subpoena."
Sen. Leahy released the following examples of unresponsive or inconsistent
answers in Sen. Ashcroft's responses:
UNRESPONSIVE ANSWERS
In his written responses, Sen. Ashcroft refused to:
-- take a position on whether Southern Partisan is racist;

-- explain what he meant when he said he opposed James Hormel based on the
"totality of the circumstances";
-- express regret about calling Jim Brady the "leading enemy" of responsible
gun owners;
-- explain his basis for saying the Supreme Court had engaged in "religious
oppression";
-- explain why employees should not be free from discrimination based on
sexual orientation;
-- express his view as to whether states should be able to restrict the
teaching of evolution;
-- explain what he meant when he told Southern Partisan he had "stopped
judges."
THE HORMEL NOMINATION
Sen. Ashcroft was asked to specify the factors that led to his opposition to
James Hormel, but he continues to refuse to do so, citing again "the totality
of Mr. Hormel's record" as the basis for his opposition. Moreover, while Sen.
Ashcroft denied in his oral testimony that he opposed Mr. Hormel because he
was gay (1/17/01 Tr., at p. 92), he curiously notes in his written responses
that Luxembourg, to which Mr. Hormel was to be posted, was the "the most
Roman Catholic country in all of Europe."
NOMINATION HOLDS
Sen. Ashcroft refused to acknowledge in his written responses even a single
hold on any presidential nominee, even though, for instance, he held a news
conference on October 13, 1997, in which he publicly admitted to holding up
the judicial confirmation of Margaret Morrow. See L.A. Daily Journal, October
15, 1997.
JUDGE RONNIE WHITE
Sen. Ashcroft's answer that reproductive rights played no part in his
opposition to Judge White's nomination is flatly contradicted by the
questions he asked and the statement he put in the Judiciary Committee markup
record on May 21, 1998, in which he referred to Judge White's "manipulation
of legislative procedures while he was a member of the Missouri General
Assembly."
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS
Sen. Ashcroft acknowledges in his written response to a question by Sen.
Leahy that a Missouri bill known as Senate Bill 339, which criminalized
non-therapeutic abortions, might not be constitutional, but he distances
himself from this legislation by stating that he had "no specific
recollection" and that "it appears from press reports that representatives
from my office may have expressed interest in seeing the bill passed out of
committee." He also states:
"[w]hile I was governor, it was my policy to refrain from opining on whether
I would sign a bill until after a bill actually passed the legislature...".
Finally, he states that "this bill did not prevent abortions attributable to
rape, incest or a "bona fide, diagnosed health problem." (emphasis in
original).
FACTS:
Sen. Ashcroft's failure of recollection about this legislation is difficult
to credit. His State of the State Address on January 9, 1990, stated, "within
the next week, I will announce my support for concepts that would enhance our
capacity to protect unborn children." Shortly thereafter, on January 19,
1990, he issued a statement saying, "Today I am proposing that Missouri ban
abortions for birth control, sex selection, and racial discrimination.
Missourians reject multiple, birth control abortions... I am grateful for
these proposals and I would welcome an opportunity to sign their protections
for unborn children and mothers into law as an alternative to the
continuation of abortions." These specific reasons for banning abortion were

[CTRL] Skolnick-MARC RICH IS CIA RICH

[William Shannon]

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/mrich.html


MARC RICH IS CIA RICH
1/26/01 by Sherman H. Skolnick

Some feel old files can be a drag. Whether in original paper form or
non-paper form, they take up space. And only old-timers might know how the
different files interface with one another.

Besides, a super-duper swindler from yesteryear might have disappeared or
never re-appear in the public eye. Specializing in keeping track of big-time
crooks, including Judges and top IRS officials, we, as a group, have a
repository of some one million documents, files, rare books, films, audio and
video tapes, and more. We relish the thought of a big thief somehow showing
up again. It makes keeping old files worth the effort.

The problem? The data thus put together might be falsely described as "tall
stories". Especially by those who grew up sucking on mass media milk. In
other words, in plain talk, college educated know-nothings. Like those who
e-mail us questions on what they call "marshall law". Hey, have dictionaries
become obsolete?

Starting back in 1954 was a brilliant, high-strung, humor-less speculator.
His real name was Marc Reich, but to disguise his foreign-descent past, he
called himself Marc Rich. He knew how to trade a cyclone in usual and unusual
metals, grains, and other items from the earth's crust. And how to make money
and shipments disappear through the dark and tax-neutral and tax-haven hole,
such as the Netherland Antilles. Oil embargoes such as against Iran in
1979-80, because of the U.S. hostage mess, did NOT effect HIM.

To preserve his secrets he apparently never fired any of his underlings.
Supposedly they were paid even when they did not function well anymore. So
the American CIA needed to pay for a domestic or foreign political
assassination? No problem. Marc Rich arranged it through smuggled or stolen
gold bullion. [A similar CIA gold trader living in a Chicago suburb, was
assassinated on the day we fingered him in 1995 on our popular public access
Cable TV Program. Mellow with age, John Tarullo, friend and tool of
Archbishops, and top FBI and CIA officials, talked too much. As a teen-ager,
he was a pilot for Benito Mussolini, the Italian strongman.]

Omitting Marc Rich's espionage role, but otherwise useful for background is
the book, "Metal Men- Marc Rich and the 10-Billion-Dollar Scam" by A. Craig
Copetas, G.P. Putnam's Sons, N.Y., N.Y., 1985. To write the book, the author
became a metal and commodity trader and infiltrated Rich's circle.

Hillary Rodham Clinton and her globe-traveling law partner and reputed lover,
Vincent W. Foster, Jr., were implicated in domestic and overseas money
laundering. Secretly a top espionage operative long before his short tenure
in the Clinton White House, Foster traveled with tell-tale government- rate
airfare. He, and Hillary and their crony Webster Hubbell, former Little Rock
Mayor and once Acting Arkansas Supreme Court Chief Justice, were strategists
for a reputed worldwide spying-on-banks, as against both friend and foe, for
Systematics, in the bank computer software services field. Bank computer
espionage "trap-doors" were their specialty. We were about the first to
finger Systematics, headquartered in Arkansas, and some of their front
stooges tried, with no success, to scare us into silence. The National
Security Agency, NSA, file on Foster and Systematics linked Hillary, Foster,
and others, in many hundreds of pages of documents, but as available to the
public, mostly redacted, blanked out to outsiders.

Marc Rich the commodity bandit and "spook" was so interwoven with the White
House of George Bush The Elder and later, Bill Clinton, you could not hardly
tell whether the White House dirty tricks department was in Washington or
Zug, Switzerland, one of Rich's outpposts. To escape being prosecuted, Rich
did not return from Zug to face the big-time Federal Criminal music in the
1980s. At the time the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York,
Rudolph W. Giuliani (later N.Y. city Mayor), wanted to put Rich in jail. A
Bush Family confidant, Giuliani nevertheless found out too late that Marc
Rich was the American CIA's laundry man and was immune. When Rudy started to
run for U.S. Senator from New York against carpetbagger Hillary Clinton, in
the year 2000 Election, she was afraid he would mouth off about her and
Foster and Marc Rich. So, Hillary's press agents reportedly launched a
pre-emptive strike planting details publicly of Giuliani's marital troubles.
And so, Rudy side-stepped the whole mess and the Election, by divulging what
he must have already known, that he was ill with cancer.

The book author described him, "Marc Rich, the man whom the United States
Justice Department privately called the most corrupt corporate executive in
America". ["Metal Men", page 13.] After he took refuge in his Switzerland
offices, the oil-soaked monopoly press, protective of high-level swindlers,
agreed to be mostly silent. By 1990, Rich was a key player in t

[CTRL] Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton Among Top 100 African-American Freemasons

[tnohava]

 http://freemasonry.org/phylaxis/mark__vip.htm

MEN OF MARK

PRINCE HALL FREEMASONS IN AMERICA

THE 100 + MOST INFLUENTIAL

 From the marbled corridors of Capitol Hill to the executive suites of
corporate America to the boardrooms of community based organizations, Prince
Hall Freemasons are playing a major role in shaping national policy.  With
passionate and powerful voice they are articulating the needs and desires of
African-Americans in every stratum of American life.[1]

The Phylaxis Society had requested photographs of all of the Leadership
within Prince Hall Freemasonry, many was not received.  However,
irregardless if the photographs were used or not, we have listed the names
of those Men of Mark in Prince Hall Freemasonry in America.  There are many
Prince Hall Freemasons whose names should be included in this listing, for
instance we know that many of the Mayors across the nation are Prince Hall
Freemasons, therefore, we ask our members to furnish the Society with those
names.  The names can be sent to The Phylaxis Society, Public Affairs
Office, Post Office Box 2232; Kansas City, MO. 64142.



 Abrams, Brian L. Sr., Director, Scottish Rite Research Institute, Phylaxis
Society, Chicago, Illinois.

 Alexander, Lincoln, Past Lieutenant Governor of Province, Ontario, Canada

 Allen, Alex E., Chief, Judge, Detroit Recorder’s Court, Detroit, Michigan

 Althouse, Roy H., Grand Master, Kansas

 Archer, Dennis, Mayor, Detroit, Michigan

 Arrington, Marvin, President, Atlanta City Council, Atlanta, Georgia

 Ash, James K, Grand Master, Minnesota

 Barksdale, Benjamin, Grand Master, Georgia

 Bendaw, Harold H., Grand Master, New Mexico

 Blackwell, Kenneth J., State Treasure, Cincinnati, Ohio

 Blevins, William E., Grand Master, Tennessee

 Boone, Michael R, Grand Master, Alaska

 Bradley, Walter T., Director, Life Membership, Phylaxis Society, Midway,
Kentucky.

 Breckenridge, Sid., Sr., Director, COFP Book Department, Phylaxis Society,
Tacoma, Washington

 Bridges, Edgar Sr., Grand Master, Mississippi

 Brodgon, Samuel Jr., Sovereign Grand Commander, Northern

 Butts, Calvin O., Rev., Pastor Abyssinian Baptist Church, New York

 Bynor, John G, Grand Master, Massachusetts

 Campbell, Bob “Soup”, Pres., Second Vice President, President Phyaxis
Society Public Affairs, Kansas City,  Missouri.

 Campbell, William, Mayor, Atlanta, Georgia

 Chambers, Marvin , Grand Master, North Carolina

 Channel, Afred, City Councilman, Marksville, Louisiana

 Clay, William L., U.S. Representative, 1st District, Missouri

 Cleveland, Clyde, Councilman, Detroit, Michigan

 Clever, Emanuel D., Ex-Mayor, Kansas City, Missouri

 Connor, Robert E., Jr., Grand Master, Texas

 Curling, Alvin, Member of Provincial Parliament, Ontario, Canada

 Curtis, Israel “Bo”, State Rep, District # 26, Alexandria, Louisiana

 Dailey, Herbert, First Vice Pres., Emeratus, Phylaxis Society, Tacoma,
Washington.

 Dallas, James W., President, Northeast Chapter, Phylaxis Society, Tacoma,
Washington.

 Darnell, Edward B., Great Black Man in Masonry, Deputy Imperial Potentate,
A.E.A.O.N.M.S.

 Davenport, Charles W., Grand Master, South Carolina

 Davis, Ossie, Actor

 Desselle, Wilton A., Police Juror, Avoyelles Parish, Marksville, Louisiana

 Dixon, Lamont, Director, Prince Hall Art Commission, Phylaxis Society,
Atco, New Jersey.

 Elerbee, James, General Conference Grand High Priest

 Ellis, Henrick, Grand Master of the Caribbean

 Evans, Willie B., Grand Master, Illinois

 Ford, Harold E., U. S. Representative, 9th District, Tennessee

 Ford, Johnnie, Legislature, Tuskegee, Alabama

 Foster, Jimmie D, Grand Master, Wisconsin

 Gantt, Harvey B., Former Mayor, Charlotte, North Carolina

 Gray, Marvin L., Grand Master, Delaware

 Green, Al, Singer

 Green, George W., Director, Williamson Hall of Fame, Phylaxis Society,
Iselin, New Jersey.

 Green, William D., Financial Secretary, Phylaxis Society, Tacoma,
Washington.

 Griffin, Willie H, Grand Master, District of Columbia

 Gross, William H., Jr., President, Council of 459, Baltimore, Maryland

 Halstead, Joseph, Commissioner of  Economical Development, Toronto,
Ontario, Canada

 Harmon, Clearance, Mayor, St. Louis, Missouri

 Harris, Lawrence, Grand Master, Pennsylvania

 Hartsfield, Wallace, Rev., Vice Chair, Congress of National Black Churches

 Hill, Stephen, Director, Non Prince Hall Commission, Phylaxis Society,
Seaside, California.

 Holder, Ira S., Jr., President Ira S. Holder, Sr. Chapter, Phylaxis
Society, Uniondale, New York.

 Hood, Nicholas, Rev., Former Detroit City Councilman Pro Tem

 Hooks, Benjamin, Past Executive Director, NAACP, Grand Secretary, Tennessee

 Hughes, McMurphy, Grand Master, Indiana

 Hurst, Wayne, Mayor, Amherstburg, Ontario, Canada

 Huyler, Godfrey B., Grand Master of Bahamas

 Jackson, Jessie L., Rev., President, Rainbow-PUSH Coalition

 Jackson, Maynard, Former Mayor of Atlanta, Georgia

 James, Sharpe, Mayor of Newark, New Jersey

 Janifer, Joseph E., Director,

Re: [CTRL] NM: Top Judiciary Dem Leahy Defends White House Trashing

[Nessie]

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>Would Leahy be saying this if it were HIS house being trashed?



He's just one more American. That means that it's exactly as much his as
it is yours. His taxes, as well as your own, pay for the clean up. 

Personally, I think the White House ought to be used for a homeless
shelter. As long as anybody has to sleep in the street, no politician,
particularly the president, deserves a roof over his head. Neither do
we.

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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

[Nessie]

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>the numbers are a bit more complex than that

Indeed they are. For one thing, as you astutely pointed out, bias makes
the real figures difficult to ascertain. More important though, is that
the wrong thing is being measured. Comparing the rate at which public
teachers send their kids to private school with the rate Americans as a
whole send their kids to private schools tell us very little because it
fails to factor in income. Comparing how many teachers send their kids
to private school with how many Americans in their income bracket send
their kids to private school would tell us more about how teachers'
assessment of public schools effect their decision. However, it tells us
very little, if anything, about what is wrong with public schools, over
most of which teachers have no control whatsoever. 

Public education does not exist in a vacuum. Equity in education cannot
take place in an iniquitous society. More money will not, in and of
itself, perfect public education. But more money is definitely needed, a
lot more. We need to make public education as good as, if not better
than, the very best private education that money can buy. We have the
money, but we’re spending it to support the Pentagon, i.e., we’re
spending it on what is essentially a private army for the corporations,
especially for the oil companies. We’re doing it at the expense of
education.  This is as stupid as it is immoral. It will come home to
roost. It’s only a matter of time.

Taking even more money out of public education is not the answer. Taking
money out of the public education system can only make education more
iniquitous than it already is. This is the apparent, but hidden, agenda
of those who propose to do so. They are conspiring behind our backs to
widen the gap between the rich and the rest of us. The only reason this
conspiracy is not generally considered illegal is because they write the
laws. But that doesn’t mean it’s not a conspiracy.

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Re: [CTRL] Exopolitics: The Non-Terrestrial Politics Website

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>From UFOUpdate:
  > I though that all politics was local. After all, King Ming of
   the planet Mongo doesn't allow dissent. Remember what happened
   to the Clay Men?
  > Clear skies,
   > Bob Young <

  No, no Bob.  It is more like "Luke Skywalker deconstructs the Empire."
That more contemporary imagery is definitely a better gateway into
exopolitics, the study of law, government and politics in the Universe.
Exopolitics is our ultimate interface with non-terrestrial intelligence.

  What is the proof that Universal law and politics exist?  Oddly enough, the
best proof is the same proof that natural law and justice exist on Earth -
jurisprudence and philosophy.  If natural law and justice exist on Earth,
they exists everywhere in the Universe.

  The next best proof that expolitics - non-terrestrial law, politics, and
justice - exist is that between 50 million and 100 million adult North
Americans say so, by latest public opinion polls (Gallup and Zogby).  These
are no delusionary or mind-controlled opinions - they come from deep, true
intuitions about the nature of reality.  Even Immanuel Kant told us we can
have noumenal (non-thing) knowledge.

  The next proofs of non-terrestrial law, politics and government may be the
physical, psychological proofs.  For example, the UFO phenomenon may be
  a vast, peripheral-cueing, psychological conditioning program by a Universe
society (along with some terrestrial-military disinformation programs).
Conditioning humanity into awareness of non-terrestrial law, politics, and
society.

  You can freely pursue some of this exopolitical thought at:

  http://www.exopolitics.com/exoone.html

  Alfred Webre
  EXOPOLITICS
  http://www.exopolitics.com
  Vancouver, BC

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[CTRL] Ashcroft the liar

[Nessie]

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http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=20397

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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

[Jeff Russo]

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> >The fact that PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS send their kids to private school
> at a higher proportion then the general population says it even louder.
> They use the Govt School System to earn  a living off the taxpayer but
> would never send their kids there.
>
>
> Source, please. How many teachers are we talking about here? How many
> kids? What are the actual numbers and actual percentages? Be  precise.

While I commonly hear that 30% of public school teachers send their kids to
private school (as compared to 10% of the population as a whole) the numbers
are a bit more complex than that.

The two links below contain statistics on these questions.

http://www.heritage.org/library/categories/education/bei42.html

http://www.aft.org/research/reports/private/doyle/doyle.htm

Noting the bias of the two organizations above, I can only repeat the official
mantra of this list: "Caveat Lector"

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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

[Nessie]

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>dumber than ever

Says who? By what standards? Cite your sources.


>For every kid that leaves Government School to attend private school,
it costs the Government School System that much less.

For every kid that leaves Government School to attend private school,
the public school (s)he left gets that much less money from the
government.




>The amount of the vouchers  is less then the per kid Government School
subsidy.

Then how can they possibly buy better education?



>An alternative to Government Schools scares the hell out of the NEA
and the huge gaggle of high paid Govt School Bureacrats.

(1.) That’s a separate issue.

(2.) A guy who can’t even spell “bureaucrats” has a lot of nerve
criticizing how they do their job, or for that matter, pontificating on
education.
 


>The fact that EVERY Senator and Congresscritter sends his little
darling  to private school says it all. 

Assuming that’s even true (you haven’t cited a source), all that says is
that they are rich. Rich kids get a better education. This is not
because the government runs public schools. This is intrinsic to a
classist society. The rich get better everything. 



>The fact that PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS send their kids to private school
at a higher proportion then the general population says it even louder.
They use the Govt School System to earn  a living off the taxpayer but
would never send their kids there.



Source, please. How many teachers are we talking about here? How many
kids? What are the actual numbers and actual percentages? Be  precise.



>The Govt School System is the greatest boondoggle ever devised by man.


Compared to the so-called “defense” budget!?!  Gimme a break.



>  EDD U KA SHUN has replaced the phony Cold War as the new taxpayer
rip off.

OK, let’s compare them. State the exact figures, please, so we know
exactly what we’re talking about. So far, you've only given us your
opinions. Let's hear some facts.


And let’s look at the real problem, classism. Some kids get better
education than others because their parents have more money. Switching
to a system of private only education will only make this worse.
Vouchers are the first step in what appears to be a long planned
privatization of the education system.

Religious schools are not a viable alternative because, as bad as public
schools are religious schools are worse. No religious school can ever
teach logical reasoning because logical reasoning and religion are
antithetical. You can’t teach kids to believe what they are told and
simultaneously teach them to think for themselves in a rational, logical
manner. It can’t be done. It’s like simultaneously telling them to run
and to stand still. The closest they can come is running in place, which
is neither running nor standing still.

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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

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>This is false. Many good quality private Catholic schools charge less
then $3000 per year. Many new start up inner city private schools now
charge less then $2500. Of course most Govt Schools now charge about
$10,000  per year.


Sources, please.

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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

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>
> Gee, most good private schools charge upward of $10-15,000 a
> year per student. What good is a $1,500 voucher going to do to get
> kids into "good" private schools?

This is false. Many good quality private Catholic schools charge less then
$3000 per year. Many new start up inner city private schools now charge
less then $2500. Of course most Govt Schools now charge about $10,000
per year.
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Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

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> Why do people equate "[educating] every single member to the greatest
>extent of their ability" with maintaining the current public school
>fiasco in many cities?

   > I don't. I do, however, recognize that taking money away from an already
>cash strapped system will only make it worse.
   > Nessie

This is Government School propaganda and makes no sense.
Money is not the basic problem. Wash DC spends about $10,000 per
kid and they are dumber then ever.

For every kid that leaves Government School to attend private school, it costs
the Government School System that much less. The amount of the vouchers
is less then the per kid Government School subsidy.

An alternative to Government Schools scares the hell out of the NEA
and the huge gaggle of high paid Govt School Bureacrats.

The fact that EVERY Senator and Congresscritter sends his little darling
to private school says it all. The fact that PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS
send their kids to private school at a higher proportion then the general
population says it even louder. They use the Govt School System to earn
a living off the taxpayer but would never send their kids there.

The Govt School System is the greatest boondoggle ever devised by man.
EDD U KA SHUN has replaced the phony Cold War as the new taxpayer
rip off.
flw







>Why should I be happy about my tax dollars supporting such an
enterprise?

What you should be unhappy about is that the tax money that could fix
the schools is being spent by the Pentagon on weapons for a war that
ended ten years ago.






>I'm sure the government does many things with your tax money that you
consider criminal or immoral; I find the perpetuation and protection of
failing tax-funded schools to be one of these things. We're depriving
many, many people of the basic level of literacy needed to function.


What, and spending even less money on their education will make it
better!?! Gimme a break.


>So when you have an idea on how the public schools can educate people
to the fullest extent of their ability in Detroit, and Philly, and
Oakland, and
  Atlanta, and Baltimore, and Newark, and many other places, you let us
know.

Hire more, better teachers. Buy better books and equipment. Build new
school buildings. Stop wasting the money on weapons for a war that's
been over ten years.



> We've tried showering them with money and that does not work.

No, we have not. The buildings are crumbling, the books out of date and
the classes are crowded. Meanwhile, we spend money on weapons for a war
that's been over for ten years. The pentagon sucks on this country's
neck. Spend half the Pentagon budget on education and we'll see an end
to the education crisis. Spend the other half on infrastructure. We
don't NEED and army. We ARE an army. There are eighty million armed
Americans. If anybody invades, we can kill them ourselves. The military
we have now is not for defense of the American people or of American
soil; it's for advancing the overseas interests of the corporations. To
make the corporations even richer, we are robbing our children of their
education.



>I know that not from reading Ayn Rand but from looking at the schools
where I greu up.


The ones who taught you to spell?



>I don't think I'm selfish, shortsighted, or brainwashed (well how would
I know  if I was brainwashed?)


That's the real problem. Selfishness is not a natural part of the human
condition. It's an aberration that has been nurtured, fostered and
promoted by our rulers, in part through their control of the educational
process. You went to a private school. Of course they taught you to look
down on public schools. That’s how they make their living.



>I'm simply observing a disaster, expressing how I think it's robbing
and cheating so many people, and also voicing my opposition to  funding
such a thing.

It is not funding, but lack of funding, that is at the root of the
problem.

Let me give but a single example. My son graduated in 1986 from one of
the better public high schools in the Bay Area. My SO taught biology at
the same school that year, so I spent a lot of time at the place and got
to know it pretty well. I read my son’s text books. The geography books
were from 1961, before the era of decolonization. Dozens of countries
weren’t even listed. His American history book was from 1976. It
contained two (count ‘em, TWO) sentences on Viet Nam. They were both
lies. My SO regularly spent from her own meager salary to buy necessary
supplies for her class. I personally bought supplies for her class. The
ceiling tiles were hanging loose and you could see the asbestos
particles floating in the air when the sun came through the window at
the right angle. Half of the science department had active cases of
cancer that year.

Meanwhile, back in Washington, those tax-and-spend Democrats were
sitting on their hands while the borrow-and-spend Republicans were
putting my as yet unborn great grand children into

Re: [CTRL] NM: Top Judiciary Dem Leahy Defends White House Trashing

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> With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
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> Thursday, Jan.  25, 2001 4:32 p.m.  EST
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> Top Judiciary Dem Leahy Defends White House Trashing

Would Leahy be saying this if it were HIS house being trashed? 

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[CTRL] Fwd: NWO, the Sequel: To Solve "Energy Crisis," Bush Invokes NAFTA

[Kris Millegan]

US power generating companies have expressed an interest in building
electrical power plants in Mexico, appealing because of its lack of
anti-pollution regulations.


Energy on Bush's Agenda With Fox

By H. JOSEF HEBERT
.c The Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush is likely to bring up California's power
problems in discussions with Mexico's president next month in hopes that
Mexico will expand power plant construction so that more electricity can flow
into the United States.

Officials acknowledge such initiatives will do little to address California's
current electricity shortages. But it will be key to a broader Bush
administration effort to promote a North American energy policy involving
both Mexico and Canada.

Bush had said on several occasions during the presidential campaign that he
viewed U.S. energy policy as transcending national boundaries. Two senior
Bush aides said Thursday that Bush might suggest that Mexico allow more
private U.S. capital to help build electricity plants and transmission lines,
especially in Baja south of California.

Mexican President Vicente Fox said Friday that his country cannot help
California because ``we don't have enough electricity for our own
consumption.''

Fox, attending an international forum in Davos, Switzerland, said he is
willing to develop a long-term energy policy with the United States and
Canada aimed at boosting energy generation and distribution.

Separately, officials said the Environmental Protection Agency was prepared
to temporarily waive some federal air quality standards if they interfere in
the full use of California's power plants. Such a waiver would be granted
only if California requested it to ease some of its current air pollution
rules affecting power plants.

The administration ``would be favorably disposed'' to such a request ``if
that's what they think they need,'' said Larry Lindsey, the president's chief
economic adviser.

California Gov. Gray Davis said the state's air pollution requirements - some
of the toughest in the country - have not hindered power production so far,
but that he would ask for a waiver if the need should arise.

``I believe we can get more plants on line and still respect the
environment,'' Davis said Thursday through a spokesman.

The state has made adjustments in air rules when needed to keep power flowing
without requiring waivers, said Jerry Martin, a spokesman for the California
Air Resources Board.

``Air quality has been a small bump in this energy crisis road,'' said Mike
Scheible, the board's deputy executive officer. ``Plants are operating and
air quality permit restrictions are not limiting their production.''

Two senior federal officials said Bush was expected to raise the issue of
more energy imports from Mexico - including electricity into California -
when he meets with Fox on Feb. 16, the first foreign trip Bush will make as
president.

Some power already flows across interconnecting lines between Baja and
Southern California, moving in both directions depending on circumstances.
But Mexico's own power demands and little excess capacity has left little
room for additional exports, energy experts said.

Maximum power plant production in Baja currently is 1,600 megawatts, but
domestic demand is 1,200 megawatts, according to the North American Electric
Reliability Council, an industry-sponsored group.

But U.S. power generating companies have expressed an interest in building
electricity plants in Mexico, where some environmental regulations and
permitting requirements are less stringent than in the United States.

While Mexico's electricity system is government-owned and operated, the
Mexican government has eased its restrictions on allowing private development
of generating plants. With growing electricity needs, Mexico wants to build
16 new power plants, some of which will export to the United States,
according to Alfredo Elias Ayub, director of Mexico's electricity commission.
   Construction on one of those plants is under way six miles south of the
border in Baja, where a Boston-based conglomerate, InterGen Corp., is
building a 765 megawatt power plant with about a third of the electricity for
export. On average, one megawatt can power about 1,000 homes.

The natural gas plant is expected to be ready by 2003, although with the
current power problems in California ``we're looking possibly at
accelerating'' the schedule, said John Foster, InterGen's senior vice
president for Latin America.

Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, both former energy company executives,
have said in recent interviews that they would like to see U.S. capital help
develop more such plants in Mexico as well as expand shipments of Mexican
natural gas into the United States.

Even with the less stringent permitting requirements in Mexico ``it takes
about two years to complete a major generating facility like this,'' Foster
said in a telephone interview.

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Liberals are trying to railroad Ashcroft nomination!

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< >Radical left-wing groups are trying everything they can to stop Ashcroft's
 >appointment by President Bush -- and now Ted Kennedy is threatening to
 >filibuster the nomination when it comes up before the full Senate for a
 >vote. >>

I certainly hope so.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Israeli group offers support to conscientious objectors

[kl]

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http://www.jewishsf.com/bk010126/sfayehyvul.shtml

Israeli group offers support to conscientious objectors
ALEXANDRA J. WALL Bulletin Staff

In 1979, the translator of Yitzhak Rabin's memoirs leaked a
passage to the New York Times.

Peretz Kidron knew just how explosive those few paragraphs would
be.  "Dynamite," he called them. The lines were not in Rabin's
book because they had  been excised by Israeli censors.

The passage told how Rabin, then a 26-year-old brigade
commander, was ordered  by Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion to
expel 50,000 Arabs from the villages of  Ramle and Lod during the
War of Independence.

"There were some fellows who refused to take part in the expulsion
action,"  Rabin wrote. "Prolonged propaganda activities were
required after the action,  to remove the bitterness of these
[soldiers] and explain why we were obliged to  undertake such a
harsh and cruel action."

If the soldiers that Rabin referred to were serving in the Israel
Defense Force  now and refused to take part in an action they
believed to be unethical, they'd  have a support group to help them.
And some 20 years after Rabin's translator  made that passage
public, he is the spokesperson for that group.

Kidron, a translator and journalist who has a long relationship with
KPFA Radio  in Berkeley, was in the Bay Area recently to promote
the activities of Yesh  Gvul, a support group for soldiers who refuse
to serve in the West Bank and  Gaza Strip. Yesh Gvul means
"there is a limit," or "there is a border."

With his unruly white hair and bright blue shirt, Kidron looked much
like the  kibbutznik he used to be.

Originally from Vienna, Kidron's family fled to Great Britain in 1938
when he  was 5. "I was a refugee at an early age," he said. "If
you're looking for a pat  explanation for my politics, that's it."
Kidron, 68, has been involved with Yesh Gvul since its inception
during the  Lebanon War. At that time, about 170 reservists refused
to serve in the  invasion.

Yesh Gvul believes in selective refusal, meaning soldiers who
refuse to serve  in the territories will still protect Israel in a war
situation within its  borders.

The group faded and resurrected itself in the 1980s, during the
intifada, when some 200 soldiers -- also reservists -- refused to
serve  in the territories. Yesh Gvul has been lying low since the
Oslo peace process  began. But with the current violence in the
territories showing no signs of  abating and an election that -- if the
polls are correct -- will usher in a  more hardline prime minister,
those involved with Yesh Gvul felt the time had  come to resurface.
Only a handful of soldiers have refused to serve in the territories,
but for  the first time, they are not all reservists.

In a highly publicized case, soldier Noam Kuzar received a 28-day
sentence in  military jail for refusing to serve in Jericho. When he
was released, he was  made to do such jobs as clean toilets. He
was not allowed to speak to the  press.

Yesh Gvul representatives have been standing at bus stations,
handing out  fliers to soldiers that quote laws from the Geneva
Convention.

With the headline "Hey soldier, where are you headed?" the flier
suggests that  refusing to obey orders may be the right thing to do.
"It's a moral question, not a geographical one," said Kidron. The
most obvious  reason for refusing to serve is that "the overwhelming
majority of casualties  fell in the conquest of or retention of places
now under Arab rule."

Additionally, he said, it is difficult for a soldier -- even one who is
sympathetic to the Palestinians -- to refrain from inflicting harm
when he  feels as if his life is threatened.

"The soldier is placed in an intolerable situation, where he has to
commit some  kind of atrocity or disobey orders," Kidron said. "The
best way to avoid it is  to not get into the situation in the first place.
Even if you're a nice  occupier, you're still an occupier."

For those refusing to serve, Yesh Gvul tries to boost their morale
by  initiating letter-writing campaigns to incarcerated soldiers or, in
the case of  reservists, offering support to their families. During the
Lebanon War, Kidron said, a U.S. Reconstructionist  congregation
called two conscientious objectors up to the Torah, a move that
received a huge amount of press coverage in Israel.

Such actions of U.S. Jews are much appreciated by the peace
movement in Israel,  he said, since often, American support of
Israel can be misguided.

By giving billions of dollars a year to Israel without placing any
conditions  on how the money is used, Kidron said, "the U.S. is
providing us junkies with a  regular allowance to get our next fix.
But then, when they say, 'Maybe we  should cut off the money and
make us go to detox,' we say, 'That's interfering  with our private
life.'"

Oftentimes, he said, American Jews come off like cheerleaders,
even when  supporting specific Israeli policies that "are leading to
suicidal behavior."

Li

[CTRL] OT HUMOR - Memo to Visiting Yankees From the Southern Tourism Bureau

[kl]

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Memo to Visiting Yankees From the Southern Tourism Bureau:

1.  Don’t order pasta primavera at Waffle House. It’s just a diner.
They serve breakfast 24 hours a day. Let them cook something
they know. If you confuse them, they’ll kick your ass.

2.  Don’t laugh at our Southern names (Merleen, Bodie, Ovine,
Luther Ray, Tammy Lynn, Darla Beth, Inez, Billy Joe, Sissy,
Clovis, etc.). Or we will just HAVE to kick your ass.

3. Don’t order a bottle of pop or a can of soda down here. Down
here it’s called Coke. Nobody gives a flying damn whether it’s
Pepsi, RC, Dr. Pepper, 7 Up or whatever-it’s still a Coke. Accept it.
Doing otherwise can lead to an ass kicking.

4.  We know our heritage. Most of us are more literate than you
(e.g., Welty, Williams, Faulkner). We are also better educated and
generally a lot nicer. Don’t refer to us as a bunch of hillbillies,
or we’ll kick your ass.

5.  We have plenty of business sense (e.g., Fred Smith of FedEx,
Turner Broadcasting, MCI WorldCom, MTV, Netscape). Naturally,
we do sometimes, have small lapses in judgment (e.g., Carter,
Clinton). We don’t care if you think we are dumb. We are not dumb
enough to let someone move to our state in order to run for the
Senate. If someone tried to do that, we would kick their ass.

6.  Don’t laugh at our Civil War monuments. If Lee had listened to
Longstreet and flanked Meade at Gettysburg instead of sending
Pickett up the middle, you’d be paying taxes to Richmond instead
of Washington. If you visit Stone Mountain and complain about the
carving, we’ll kick your ass.

7.  We are fully aware of how high the humidity is, so shut the hell
up. Just spend your money and get the hell out of here, or we’ll
kick your ass.

8.  Don’t order wheat toast at Cracker Barrel. Everyone will
instantly know that you’re a Yankee. Eat your biscuits like God
intended-with gravy. And don’t put sugar on your grits, or we’ll kick
your ass.

9.  Don’t fake a Southern accent. This will incite a riot, and you will
get your ass kicked.

10.  Don’t talk about how much better things are at home because
we know better. Many of us have visited Northern cesspools like
Detroit, Chicago, and DC, and we have the scars to prove it. If you
don’t like it here, Delta is ready when you are. Move your ass on
home before it gets kicked.

11. Yes, we know how to speak proper English. We talk this way
because we don’t want to sound like you. We don’t care if you
don’t understand what we are saying. All other Southerners
understand what we are saying, and that’s all that matters. Now,
go away and leave us alone, or we’ll kick your ass.

12.  Don’t complain that the South is dirty and polluted. None of
OUR lakes or rivers have caught fire recently. If you whine about
OUR scenic beauty, we’ll kick your ass all the way back to Boston
Harbor.

13.  Don’t ridicule our Southern manners. We say sir and ma’am.
We hold doors open for others. We offer our seats to old folks
because such things are expected of civilized people. Behave
yourselves around our sweet little gray-haired grandmothers or
they’ll kick some manners into your ass just like they did ours.

14.  So you think we’re quaint or losers because most of us live in
 the countryside? That’s because we have enough sense to not
live in filthy, smelly, crime-infested cesspools like New York
or Baltimore. Make fun of our fresh air, and we’ll kick your ass.

15.  Last, but not least, DO NOT DARE to come down here and tell
us how to barbecue. This will get your ass shot (right after it is
kicked). You’re lucky we let you come down here at all. Criticize
our barbecue, and you will go home in a pine box. Minus your ass.

January 27, 2000

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[CTRL] Fwd: Feb 6 - Get Ready For Prime Minister Sharon

[Aleisha Saba]

Well looks like Barak aka Brugg may need a new PR man?   May need to
seek out city of refuge?   Next goes Blair hopefully

So the writing is on the wall and it isn't even November

Why does Osama bin Laden smile - with a 5 million dollar price on his
head placed there by little Madelline Albright,  his people are loyal to
him ..why does Sadaam Hussein smile?
His people are loyal and maybe someone will step in an stop this stuff -
very simple, cut off all monies to Israel and stop talking peace while
preparing for the armageddon?

Think of domestic jews and moslems as say, the American Indian?   And
chickens coming home to roost in Holy Land and cui bono?

This hotel business can be very lucrative.somehow I have feeling
arabs sincere about worshiping Allah and there are still those who
worship the golden calf or is that a red heifer?




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   THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN: THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL
 by Hemi Shalev

[Ma'ariv - 21 January -Translated from Hebrew}:  The new Ma'ariv-Gallop poll
questioned a particularly large sample of 1,100 people, putting special emphasis
on the Arab population and new immigrants. Its principle conclusion is clear
and unequivocal: on February 6, Israel will have a new Prime Minister.

Chances are it will be Ariel Sharon. Only in theory is there a slight chance
it will actually be Shimon Peres. What is certain, unless there is a cataclysmic
event that changes the way the world works, Ehud Barak is going to lose these
elections, probably big time. Polls can be wrong, but not that wrong.

The incredible gap between Sharon and Barak remains stable, around 20 percent.
The election broadcasts have not helped; Barak's frequent media interviews have
made no difference, and the negative campaign against Sharon hasn't done a thing.
When that is the situation 18 days prior to elections, the expression "not taking
off" is the height of tactfulness.

The writing is clearly on the wall. The public simply does not like Barak. Full
stop. That is what the new poll shows. When you add to that the epileptic peace
process, the deteriorating security situation, and a widespread feeling, even
if not completely justified, of a worsening economy, you get a sure recipe for
certain knockout for the Prime Minister. Barak's decision to advance the elections
seems, in retrospect, one of the biggest slip-ups in the history of Israeli politics.

In military terms, Barak is reminiscent of the famous American General George
Custer, who became known as a brave commander who consciously led his soldiers,
against all reason and with impossible inferiority, to a fatal loss against the
Sioux Indians. The Americans dubbed the 1876 battle at Little Big Horn, Montana,
"Custer's last stand,". Custer and his soldiers became famed for their bravery,
but the bottom line is they were all massacred.

Now, in their time of distress, Barak's advisors are trying to shift the blame
to Peres. They claim Barak voters will continue to remain undecided as long as
Peres is a present-absentee candidate. They are forgetting that Barak's public
standing began to fall to hitherto unknown depths long before anyone even breathed
the name Shimon
Peres. The poll shows that even if Peres were to clearly leave the race with
determination, it would change nothing in terms of Barak.

Barak swore this week that he would not leave the arena. It will be very difficult
for him to release himself from this vow, and it is not so clear he would want
to. From his tone in private conversation, it is very possible Barak himself
would prefer to have Sharon as Prime Minister and not Peres. The way to ensure
that, for now, is to stay in the race to the very end. "Only Barak will bring
Sharon," a frustrated left-winger said this week, paraphrasing the Likud slogan.

At any rate, Peres is far from being a sure thing. Although the public has great
sympathy for him, the polls foresee a tie, and based on past experience, Peres
is a sure loser in tie situations. A lot will depend on organization and motivation,
and the Likud has an incredible advantage in both these. But at least Peres would
lose honorably. One cannot say even that about Barak.

Head to Head

Q: If elections for the premiership were held today and the candidates were Ehud
Barak and Ariel Sharon, for whom would you vote?  Sharon - 51% (50% last week);
Barak- 31% (same as last week); Blank ballot/don't know - 18%

Q: Suppose Shimon Peres we

[CTRL] Capitalism at work: Profits for them. Bailouts for us.

[Nurev Ind Research]

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Subject:
  S&L Scandal Then, Utilities Bailout Now
Date:
  Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:22:50 EST
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 The network news is finally starting to shine the spotlight brightly on
Bush buddy and energy deregulation mastermind Ken Lay of Enron, publicly
pointing out that last year --just a few months before the so-called "energy
crisis"-- HIS multi-billion-dollar corporation (which sells the natural gas
that mostly fuels electrical power plants) reported a 500% profit -- which is
no longer that unusual, thanks to "deregulation."


Calif. Pols Avoiding 'Bailout' Term

By JOSEPH B. VERRENGIA
.c The Associated Press

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - No one trying to solve California's power crisis
wants to utter the b-word to describe the multibillion-dollar plan that would
keep the lights on while rescuing the state's two largest utilities.

``It's not a bailout,'' Gov. Gray Davis hastened to say after the proposal
emerged this week.

Assembly Speaker Robert Hertzberg said: ``It's not just a quick fix, a
Band-Aid. It's not a gift.''

Though the plan and its costs are still evolving, consumer advocates and
economists aren't so shy about calling it a bailout. They say utility
customers will bear the cost through rate hikes that will be in effect for a
decade.

``The utilities get bailed out and the consumers pay and pay,'' said Jamie
Briesemeister, senior policy analyst with Consumers Union. ``If this proposal
gets enacted, deregulation will go down as the biggest consumer rip-off in
California history.''

Whatever the terminology, the relief plan being forged for Southern
California Edison and Pacific Gas & Electric - who say that together they are
more than $12 billion in debt - would rank among the nation's biggest.

The deal would be dwarfed by the federal bailout of the savings and loan
industry, where cost estimates soared as high as $481 billion. But it would
be much bigger than the 1995 bailout of Orange County, which rolled up $819
million in debts, and the 1979 Chrysler bailout, even when inflation is
factored in.

Congress authorized $1.5 billion for the moribund automaker while it
reorganized under Lee Iaccoca. Chrysler used only $1.2 billion of the money.

California has been under a Stage 3 alert for nearly two weeks, meaning power
reserves are practically exhausted. Thousands of homes and businesses have
been hit by rolling blackouts in a crisis blamed in part on California's
deregulation of its electric industry.

Under the deregulation law, the utilities had to sell off their power plants
and buy electricity on the open market. But the two biggest utilities have
been sliding toward ruin because wholesale prices are soaring and the
companies are not allowed to pass the full cost on to their customers.

``The ratepayers' anger is understandable because that's the entity to which
they pay their bills,'' said Catherine Wolfram, a University of California
energy economist. ``But the utilities faced real regulatory hurdles. And the
power generators have been making out like bandits.''

Because the two utilities' credit is practically worthless, the state is
spending at least $400 million to buy power on their behalf on the expensive
spot market. At the same times, state officials are negotiating long-term
power contracts with suppliers of up to 10 years.

California lawmakers are also trying to put together a rescue plan under
which the state would issue bonds to cover SoCal Edison and PG&E's debts.
Millions of the utilities' customers would pay back the bonds over several
years through an extension of recently approved rate increases. The exact
amount of the deal is uncertain.

As part of the deal, the state would get long-term options that would let it
buy utility stock at a low price. If stock prices rise, the state could sell
the stock and use any profits to pay off the bonds.

Investment analysts offered cautious praise for the rescue plan, which stops
far short of another option that has been on the table: a huge state takeover
of utilities' hydroelectric plants and other facilities.

``Bailout implies incompetence on the part of companies who don't deserve
help,'' said Susan Abbott, managing director of the public utilities group at
Moody's Investor Service. But ``the way the market was structured didn't
allow the companies to protect themselves from the volatility of electricity
pricing. We believe this is a step in the right direction, although a lot
more has to be done.''

Others weren't so generous.

``Any of these proposals has an element of bailout,'' said Richard Gilbert,
another economist at the University of California at Berkeley. ``They are
subsidizing companies that are running at a deficit.''

Gilbert said any state-sponsored solution needs to raise electricity rates to
a level that encourages conservation and allows utilities to buy power at
new, higher rates. Otherwise, ``they are trying

Re: [CTRL] Q-Who will MOST BENEFIT By School Vouchers???

[Marilyn Wright]

-Caveat Lector-

Gee, most good private schools charge upward of $10-15,000 a
year per student. What good is a $1,500 voucher going to do to get
kids into "good" private schools?

And where will the country be when its children know their Bible
but can't study science because it contradicts their belief in
creationism?

All basic education is about 1.) teaching basic skills such as the
three Rs and b.) teaching "facts."

Except for certain established areas of science and math, "facts"
are open to interpretation. You can call this propaganda if you wish.
Then you get down to which propaganda you prefer: church or state.
Even within church and state groups there are areas of violent
disagreement when it comes to the "facts." There have been wars
and massacres around interpreting religious "fact."

Will either group teach young people how to think critically and
draw their own conclusions? That educational focus is exceedingly
rare, even at highest levels of education.

$1,500 vouchers has to be a bogus argument.


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[CTRL] JUDICIAL WATCH FILES COMPLAINT AGAINST SENATOR HILLARY

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
1/26/2001
202-646-5172

JUDICIAL WATCH FILES COMPLAINT AGAINST SENATOR HILLARY RODHAM
CLINTON WITH SENATE ETHICS COMMITTEE

Inquiry Sought Into Wholesale Gift Grab and Influence Peddling

(Washington DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that
investigates and prosecutes government corruption, said today
that it is filing a complaint with the Senate Select Committee on
Ethics over the conduct of the junior senator from New York,
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Recent press reports have
detailed the unprecedented “haul” the Clintons have removed from
The White House at the end of their eight year reign. The
Clintons released financial disclosure statements in the closing
hours of their White House residency that detail over $190,000
dollars in gifts, china and furniture that Senator Hillary Rodham
Clinton will benefit from and enjoy for her personal use.

Judicial Watch looks to the Senate Ethics Committee to
investigate Senator Clinton’s conduct and arrive at an
appropriate remedy for the junior senator’s conduct. Senate
rules, standards of conduct and federal law all have strict
provisions concerning the illegal or improper solicitation and
acceptance of gifts.

“Senator Clinton’s acceptance of these gifts goes beyond crass,”
stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.

“Hillary Clinton’s disregard of Senate gift rules and standards of
conduct appears to be a violation of law,” added Judicial Watch
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[CTRL] UPI: Intelligence failures and the death of the 18 Rangers

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=155481

Friday, 26 January 2001 21:12 (ET)


Intelligence failures and the death of the 18 Rangers
By Richard Sale, Terrorism Correspondent

 WASHINGTON, Jan. 26 (UPI) -- Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born
Islamic terrorist suspect sought by the United States in
connection with the August 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in
Kenya and Tanzania, had months earlier been linked to the 1993
deaths of 18 U.S. Rangers in Somalia. A Justice Department
indictment of those responsible, however, was suppressed and no
action taken, U.S. intelligence sources revealed Friday.

 The Rangers were part of an abortive U.S. attempt on Oct. 3,
1993, to kidnap two top lieutenants of Somalia's strongman Gen.
Mohammed Farrah Aidid. The original CIA plan had been to use a
10-man force, but this was put off by the U.S. military
leadership, and the next day a larger force of 160 Delta
operators and Rangers was sent in its place.

 The task force was ambushed and 18 Rangers killed by militia
trained by bin Laden, according to former U.S. military and
intelligence sources with close knowledge of the incident.

 Postponement of the "snatch" of the two aides was a "major
blunder," according to a U.S. participant in the incident who
asked not to be named.

 According to former U.S. intelligence officials, bin Laden was
secretly indicted for the Ranger killings in 1997. "I personally
discussed the indictment with the FBI," one former U.S.
government source said. But the indictment was later "torn up"
and then made part of a public indictment of bin Laden and 17
co-defendants filed in 1998 by the Justice Department following
the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in which 224
people died. The Ranger murders are mentioned specifically on
pages 18 and19 of that indictment.

 According to former U.S. military sources, the U.S. military
leadership, led by Adm. Jonathan Howe, senior officer of the U.N.
peacekeeping force in Somalia, believed that Aidid's Somalia
National Alliance forces were behind the July 12 murder of
Pakistani troops in the U.N. force, and that the warlord should
be captured and tried as a war criminal. Howe requested a Ranger
force to hunt Aidid down.

 By the early summer of 1993, Aidid began an escalation. There
were attacks by Islamic detachments operating out of Aidid-held
areas of Mogadishu on U.N. forces, and on June 5, 24 Pakistani
soldiers were ambushed and killed. The U.N. promptly declared the
SNA "an outlaw faction," according to one U.S. official.

 On June 12, Aidid and several of his aides left Mogadishu for
Khartoum where they attended a People's Arab and Islamic
Conference chaired by Hassan Abdallah al-Turabi, a Sudanese
leader who sponsored terrorism against the United States and
backed the spread of Islam throughout the Horn of Africa,
according to U.S. official who spoke to United Press
International on condition of not being named.

 This source said that Turabi had ties to Abdul-Rahman Ahmad
Ahmad Ali Tour who had proclaimed the Islamic code or Sharia as
the law of Somalia and had henceforth received financial and
military aid from Iran and Sudan. "Certainly Gen. Aidid was
receiving some technical and logistical aid from Sudan as part of
a fledgling military alliance in 1992," this source said.

 The decision to fight U.S. forces in Somalia was a direct result
of Sudan's strategy, according to a U.S. government analyst.
Robert Oakley, former U.S. ambassador to Somalia, disagrees, but
he concedes that Sudan was very nervous about U.S. intervention:
"The Sudanese thought that they were next, that after we were
finished in Somalia we would strike at Sudan."  The Hezbollah --
the fundamentalist Islamic militia -- for example, published
documents at the time alerting factions that Sudan was really the
next U.S. target. "It was a totally mistaken idea," he said.

 But whatever the reason, Aidid began amassing his assets, with
Turabi supplying weapons, men and military supplies, according to
U.S. officials.

 According to U.S. government sources there is general agreement
that bin Laden was not the master mind or the grand strategist
but rather the logistical officer. He had hidden Arab Afghans --
the Islamic volunteer fighters from all over the Middle East who
had fought against the Russians during the Soviet invasion of
Afghanistan -- on his "farms' in Sudan, and he had also smuggled
large amounts of money into Ethiopia and Eritrea for purchases of
supplies for "Afghan" forces.

 These sources said that bin Laden led a clandestine effort to
move militant "Afghans" into Somalia through third countries like
Ethiopia and Eritrea, providing lodging, trucks, fuel water,
weapons, ammunition, explosives and medical kits, and
establishing resupply points.

 According to current and former U.S. intelligence sources, the
on-site commander and field coordinator in Mogadishu, working
with Aidid, was Ayman al-Zawahiri, an Egyptian militant who is
c

[CTRL] NYP: ALL PRESENTS WERE ACCOUNTED FOR, SHE SAYS

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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ALL PRESENTS WERE ACCOUNTED FOR, SHE SAYS

Friday,January 26,2001
By BRIAN BLOMQUIST and DEBORAH ORIN


WASHINGTON - Sen.  Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday defended
taking more than $190,000 in furniture and other gifts from fat
cats like Denise Rich, whose ex-husband got a controversial
pardon from Bill Clinton.

But a top ethics watchdog blasted the New York's Democrat for
taking freebies to help furnish her new houses, saying: "It
totally smells."

Sen.  Clinton told The Post: "We followed all the rules that were
applicable.  That's all I have to say."

None of the gifts was revealed during her Senate campaign. All
would be barred now - Senate rules say a senator can't take any
gift worth more than $50 or a total of $100 from a single person
each year.

Donors say the gifts were solicited as house-warming presents
before the Clintons left the White House.

"It does sound like there were deliberate efforts to circumvent
the laws .  .  .  I can't think of a time when a U.S. president
and first lady have left in a more undistinguished and unbecoming
way," said Chuck Lewis, head of the Center for Public Integrity.

"I don't know how big the truck was but it must have been pretty
big. There is the appearance of them enriching themselves from
public service and public life .  .  .  It totally smells.
There is something rotten here."

The furor over the gifts - which the Clintons didn't reveal until
the ex-president's last night in office - erupted just as he
handed out a deluge of pardons, including one to Rich's
fugitive-financier ex-hubby, Marc.

Denise Rich donated an estimated $1 million to the Clintons'
campaigns and other Democrats and raised millions more at her
posh penthouse on Fifth Avenue.

She also gave the Clintons two coffee tables and two chairs worth
$7,375 after getting a wish list of items the Clintons wanted
last March.

"Denise picked the gifts for the Clintons as a house-warming gift
in March 2000.  She was given a list of suggestions and she chose
the items," said her spokesman, Howard Rubenstein.

Rich initially denied lobbying for the pardon, but she had sent a
Dec. 6 letter begging Clinton to do it "with all my heart."

The Clintons kept nearly four times as much as the $52,853 in
gifts that President Bush's dad took in his final year in office.


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[CTRL] WT: Beijing using front companies to grab U.S. arms technology

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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January 26, 2001

Beijing using front companies to grab U.S.  arms technology

By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


China is buying U.S.  weapons technology illegally through front
companies in Hong Kong and Singapore, U.S. intelligence officials
said.

According to sensitive intelligence reports, China last month
acquired "radiation-hardened" integrated circuits from a U.S.
company that were shipped to China from Singapore, said officials
familiar with the reports.

The Chinese company involved in the diversion was identified as
the China Aircraft and Space Technology Co.

In a second activity, a Chinese missile-manufacturing firm
purchased American-made communications-test equipment from a U.S.
company based in Hong Kong.  The U.S.  company was not identified
under intelligence-collection rules.

Both sales were reported to senior U.S.  officials early last
month and are a sign that Beijing is continuing aggressively to
acquire U.S. weapons-related goods for its military-modernization
program.

All military-related goods sold from the United States to China
require an export license.  However, Chinese companies secretly
have been purchasing embargoed technology and hardware under
export rules relaxed during the Clinton administration.

The intelligence reports bolster the findings of a special
congressional committee that stated in a 1999 report that the use
of Hong Kong companies "is a common [Chinese] tactic for illegal
transfer of technology."

In a related development, China is continuing to sell
missile-related equipment to Iraq and Iran in apparent violation
of its pledge last fall to curb such transfers, said officials
who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The officials provided a briefing to The Washington Times to
highlight what they said were ongoing Chinese sales of weapons
and missile technology to rogue states, in violation of official
pledges by Beijing to curtail such transfers.

"The Chinese appear to be selling everything to everybody," said
one defense official.

In November, the Clinton administration announced it would not
impose sanctions on China for selling missile technology to Iran
and Pakistan after Beijing promised to curb further sales.  Iran
and Pakistan, however, were slapped with sanctions.

A Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman said in a statement at the
time that China had no plans "to assist, in any way, any country"
developing nuclear-capable ballistic missiles.

Regarding the Iraqi missile-related sales, the officials said a
delegation of representatives of a Chinese company was set to
travel to Iraq last month to discuss the sale of "missile-related
guidance and test equipment."

The company is offering gear to be used in testing missile
inertial guidance systems, which are key components of long-range
missile systems.

The company was using what U.S.  officials said is a "cover name"
to mask the true nature of the sales trip.  The company was
identified as the Shandong Arts and Crafts Co.

A Pentagon report on arms proliferation made public earlier this
month stated that Iraq is working on two short-range missiles
that are providing a base for building long-range missiles,
should U.N. sanctions on the country be lifted.  The report noted
that Iraq "may have ambitions for longer-range missiles,
including an ICBM (Intercontinental Ballistic Missile)."

Additionally, a Chinese company has recently been shipping
specialty metals and chemicals used in missile production to
Iran, the officials said.  The seller was identified as Norinco,
the acronym for China North Industries Co., which was linked by
federal investigators in 1996 to smuggling of AK-47 assault
rifles in Los Angeles.

The Iranian buyer was identified as the Shahid Bakeri Industrial
Group, a defense-related company involved in Iran's missile
program.

The Pentagon report stated that despite "numerous pledges" not to
sell weapons to rogue states, "Chinese entities have supported
some nuclear, chemical and missile programs in countries of
proliferation concern, driven by China's overall strategic
interests in South Asia and the Middle East and by domestic
economic pressures."

The report noted China's sales of missile-related goods to Iran,
Libya and North Korea.

According to the officials, in addition to its own
weapons-proliferation activities, China covertly is helping North
Korea buy and sell missile goods.

In November, a North Korean company based in China sent specialty
steel used in missiles to Egypt, the officials said, noting that
the steel is controlled under the 29-nation Missile Technology
Control Regime.

That same month, the U.S.  administration waived sanctions on
China based on promises from Beijing to tighten export controls
on missile-related goods.

Also in November, a North Korean company in Japan purchased a
U.S.-made high-speed video camera used in missile development
from an unidentified American company.

The camera was shipped from the United States to Egypt, and 

[CTRL] NYDN: Sect Members Pocketed Funds Stolen cash paid for personal expenses

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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Sect Members Pocketed Funds Stolen cash paid for personal expenses

By GREG B.  SMITH
New York Daily News
Staff Writer


The four New Square felons granted clemency by former President
Bill Clinton argued they had never benefited personally from the
$40 million they stole in government funds.

But a detailed examination of the case by the Daily News shows
that they used millions in taxpayer dollars to pay for a wide
range of personal expenses — from rent to diapers to car repairs
— for themselves and other members of their Rockland County
Hasidic sect.

The four men — Kalmen Stern, David Goldstein, Jacob Elbaum and
Benjamin Berger — were convicted in January 1999 of stealing
millions worth of student Pell grants, housing subsidies and
small-business loans.

As part of their sentences, they were ordered to make full
restitution of the stolen funds.

But, The News has learned, it is highly unlikely that any of the
$40 million will ever be repaid.

Last week, as he left office, Clinton significantly reduced the
prison sentences of the four New Square felons — weeks after
supporters met privately at the White House with the outgoing
President and First Lady.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, who also met with New Square Hasidic
leaders in August, during her Senate campaign, has denied taking
a position on the sentence commutation.  In the November
election, the New Square community voted overwhelmingly for her.

In requesting clemency, the felons argued that their crimes were
more technical than evil.  They also contended they had not
gained personally from their fraud, merely using federal funds
meant for one good cause to fund other altruistic causes.

"The crimes here essentially involved the diversion of funds to
other community needs, no personal enrichment," said lawyer
Samuel Rosenthal, who handled the commutation application.  "Not
one of the four had an excessive or elaborate lifestyle, but
instead had always lived in the most modest conditions."

But the prosecutors who brought the federal case, and evidence
produced at trial, indicate otherwise.

Elbaum was convicted of illegally pocketing $26,000, Berger
$22,000 and Stern $16,464 in housing subsidies.  Evidence showed
that they lied about their amount of taxable income to qualify
for the Department of Housing and Urban Development rent grants.

At trial, Assistant U.S.  Attorney Deborah Landis told the jury
some of the money went for "everything from diapers to car
repairs." For example, she said, Goldstein leased an expensive
black Acura.

Claiming poverty on behalf of Elbaum, lawyer Charles Stillman
told The News his client will never be able to repay the HUD
subsidies — or the $11 million he owes the Department of
Education for his role in the Pell grant scam.

"My client is as poor as a church mouse," said Stillman.  "He is
the father of eight children who lives in the most humble of
surroundings. He has no money, he has no savings."

Most of the government money stolen in the New Square scheme was
funneled through Toldos Yakof Yosef — a fictitious yeshiva that
Assistant U.S.  Attorney Joanna Hendon described at trial as "the
perfect Pell grant machine."

Evidence shows that the phony religious school existed only as an
address — on Heyward St.  in Brooklyn.  The New Square community,
according to the evidence, illegally used Pell grant funds to buy
the building.

"Each of the men in this courtroom knowingly and repeatedly, and
for profit, affiliated themselves with a monstrous fraud," Hendon
said during the two-month trial that ended in January 1999.

According to testimony, the four defendants also paid New Square
residents to become "students" so they could apply for Pell
grants.  One "philosophy" student did not speak English or know
what a term paper was.

The four felons also used some of the government funds to pay
themselves salaries as "mentors" and "administrators" in the
nonexistent program.

At trial, prosecutors Landis and Hendon introduced evidence that
the scheme went well beyond Toldos Yakof Yosef.

Some of the fake students also supposedly attended other yeshivas
in Rockland County and Brooklyn.

Also, the four were convicted of setting up a shell corporation
to net $100,000 in small-business loans.  That money was doled
out to various community concerns.

Goldstein was convicted of collecting $146,000 in Social Security
benefits for a retired couple living in Israel and unaware of the
scheme.

In a separate case, another New Square leader, Samuel Weissmandl,
was convicted of stealing more than $750,000 in federal housing
funds — from the same pile of federal funds.

Among other things, Weissmandl used the money for landscaping
services at his and his relatives' homes.  He was convicted and
is serving prison time.  Clinton did not commute his sentence.


Original Publication Date: 1/26/01


=
 Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT

  FROM THE D

[CTRL] WP: Re. Rich Pardon: A Pardon Deserved

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

-Caveat Lector-

A Pardon Deserved

By Jack Quinn
Friday, January 26, 2001 ; Page A23

The rhetoric, inaccuracies and media frenzy in the wake of the
announcement of a pardon for Marc Rich demonstrate why that
pardon by President Clinton had become the only solution to
resolve a nearly 20-year-old but fundamentally flawed indictment.
This pardon was granted strictly on its legal merits.

First, one must understand that Clinton insisted that Marc Rich
agree to drop procedural defenses against civil actions that
might be brought against him by the United States upon his
return.  Rich has not escaped potential liability for his actions
-- only the overreaching criminal prosecution to which he should
never have been subject.

This is the heart of the matter.  Based on a review of the
merits, Rich should not have been subject to criminal charges.
This is among the precise situations for which the presidential
pardon was intended.

Here are the facts.  The case grew out of the 1970s Arab oil
embargo and energy regulation designed to keep prices on existing
oil production at 1973 levels, but there were many exceptions.
As a result, major U.S. oil producers had a powerful incentive to
avoid the impact of the regulations.

The U.S.  oil companies did this by dealing with international
oil resellers to "link" regulated oil transactions with
unregulated ones. In 1980-81, two Swiss companies associated with
Marc Rich engaged in a series of such linked transactions,
typical of those engaged in during this period, involving U.S.
oil companies.  In accordance with the law, the Rich companies
treated payments attributable to the offshore aspects of the
transactions as being exempt from U.S.  taxes and price controls.

With oil companies under scrutiny, the U.S.  attorney for the
Southern District of New York, Rudolph Giuliani, focused his
attention on the Marc Rich companies and ambitiously turned the
proper reporting treatment of these complex corporate
transactions -- essentially a civil allocation dispute -- into a
highly politicized criminal tax and energy fraud case alleging
that domestic oil revenues were improperly diverted offshore.
As if that weren't enough, the indictment included racketeering
charges despite the Justice Department's acknowledgment years ago
that racketeering charges should not be leveled in tax cases.

Yet, none of the major U.S.  oil companies that structured these
transactions was ever prosecuted criminally.  Indeed, when the
Department of Energy examined the transactions, it concluded that
one oil company had improperly failed to account for the linked
transactions, violating the regulation's prohibition on excess
pricing. At the same time, the department said that the Marc Rich
companies had properly accounted for the transactions.

The U.S.  oil companies were pursued only in civil proceedings
for their actions.  Yet for the past 17 years, the U.S.
attorney has maintained a criminal indictment against Marc Rich.
The indictment relies on a position directly opposite to the
finding by the Energy Department that the accounting by the Marc
Rich companies was proper.  The position taken by Rich is
supported by two of the leading tax authorities in the country,
professors Bernard Wolfman of Harvard University and Martin
Ginsburg of Georgetown University.

There were other questionable charges as well.  Inflammatory
accusations of illegal trading with Iran were leveled but
subsequently challenged by the companies and later dropped.

Equally incorrect is the claim that as a former White House
counsel, I violated the Clinton executive order banning White
House contacts for five years after government service.  In fact,
that order makes an exception for "communicating .  .  .  with
regard to .  .  .  a criminal or civil law enforcement .  .  .
proceeding." Moreover, I notified the deputy attorney general two
months before the pardon was granted that I would be filing an
application in the Rich matter with the White House, and I
encouraged the White House counsel to seek the Justice
Department's views.  I did not attempt to circumvent the Justice
Department.

I am not surprised by much of the confusion over the Rich case,
because despite changes in how the law must be applied, the
indictment still stands in its original form.  When I made these
arguments in 1999 to the U.S.  attorney and asked to enter into
negotiations for resolution of the case, I met with a dead end.
Other lawyers for Rich had met with similar recalcitrance in
previous years.  Rich must first return to the United States to
face criminal indictment, we were told.

The U.S.  attorney holds fast to its view that this case warrants
criminal prosecution.  Fortunately, under the president's pardon
power, a mechanism exists for making a new judgment, based on
case merits.  The presidential pardon can and should be employed
when a president resolves a dispute about whether the law and
policies of the Justice Department support the use of

[CTRL] So what else is new? OR Some assholes never learn.

[Nurev Ind Research]

-Caveat Lector-

   Environment [25]ENS -- Environment News Service

   By Brian Hansen

   WASHINGTON, DC,
   January 24, 2001 (ENS) - Al Gore, the self-styled environmental
   candidate in the 2000 Presidential election, lost his bid for the
   White House because he campaigned on an outdated "populist" platform
   that was too liberal for most Americans, according to a new report
   drafted by the Democratic Leadership Council.

   The report, titled "Why Gore Lost, And How Democrats Can Come Back,"
   was unveiled this morning by Democratic Leadership Council (DLC)
   officials at a news conference at the National Press Club in
   Washington. The DLC's 40 page report concludes that the Democratic
   Party must move towards the political right - towards the Republicans
   - if it wants to regain control of Congress in 2002 and the White
   House in 2004.

   Gore

Democrat Al Gore, who ran on an environmental platform, lost his bid for the
White House because he cast himself as a liberal, concludes a new report
released by the Democratic Leadership Council (Photo courtesy Office of Vice
President Al Gore)

   Al From, the DLC's founder and CEO, opened the freewheeling discussion
   forum this morning by arguing that Democrat Al Gore made a huge
   tactical mistake by continually emphasizing that he would "fight for
   the people and not the powerful" as the nation's first president of
   the 21st Century.

   "Gore chose a populist rather than a new Democrat message, and as a
   result, voters viewed him as too liberal and identified him as an
   advocate of big government," From said. "By emphasizing class warfare,
   [Gore] seemed to be talking to industrial age rather than information
   age America."

   From said that in order to be successful in future elections, the
   Democratic Party needs to forge a "new progressive majority for the
   information age."

   Such a coalition, From said, must "expand beyond the Democratic base"
   that was borne out of the progressive movements that arose during the
   first half of the 20th Century. The Democratic Party, From said, must
   reach out to moderates "and even some conservatives" if it hopes to
   regain power in Washington.

   "Al Gore failed to put together such a new progressive coalition,"
   From said. "The result [was] what should have been a comfortable Gore
   victory became a virtual tie."

   DLC: GORE SHOULD HAVE WON EASILY WITHOUT FLORIDA

   The extraordinary 2000 presidential election was a virtual dead heat
   between Gore and Republican George W. Bush, the two term governor of
   Texas. Though Gore narrowly won the popular vote, the two term Vice
   President lost the electoral college count, and thus, the White House.

   While experts have attributed Gore's loss to a host of factors, much
   of the attention was focused on the state of Florida, where the vote
   count was debated for weeks in the courts. In a controversial move,
   the U.S. Supreme Court ultimately halted all recount efforts in the
   state, leaving Bush with a razor thin margin of victory that propelled
   him into the White House.

   Despite lingering allegations that Gore, in fact, carried the state of
   Florida, the election should not have been so close, said From.

   "Given the fundamental conditions in the country, the outstanding
   record of the Clinton/Gore administration and the Vice President's own
   record of achievement, I believe Al Gore should have won a solid
   victory," said From, noting that a host of political science models
   projected that Gore would prevail by some 10 percentage points.

   Democrats

Gore, right, on a campaign stop with Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, the
number two man on the Democratic Party's 2000 Presidential ticket. Lieberman
is the current chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council. (Photo
courtesy Gore/Lieberman 2000)

   From noted that Gore lost every income category of voters who earned
   more than $50,000 a year - the most rapidly growing part of the
   American electorate. Moreover, Gore lost middle class voters by one
   percent, and upper class voters by an even wider margin, From said.

   Gore carried "moderate" bloc voters by eight points, but that was not
   nearly enough to offset Bush's margins elsewhere, From said. Bill
   Clinton, From noted, won moderate bloc voters by a whopping 24 points
   in 1996.

   DLC DISPUTES SIGNIFICANCE OF NADER'S VOTES

   From rejected the argument that the so called "populist" message was
   vindicated by adding Gore's vote total to that compiled by Ralph
   Nader, the insurgent Green Party Presidential Candidate. Nader,
   vilified as a "spoiler" by many DLC Democrats, won about three percent
   of the popular vote nationwide and more than 97,000 votes in the state
   of Florida - more than enough to have won the White House for Gore.

   From said that a combined Gore/Nader vote total does not justify the
   soundness of the populist message, which he sai

Re: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker?

[Nurev Ind Research]

-Caveat Lector-

goolie smith wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> What are you on man ?
> Ariel Sharon, was found directly responsible for massacres of palestinians
> in UN shelters.

Actally, he was found INDIRECTLY responsible. The killings were done against
his direct orders by a Syrian opperative who was a Christian Phalangist.

If you want to know more about this, see... *From Israel to Damascus* on the
Net. A book written by one of the Phalangist militiamen who actually did the
killing.

Joshua2

> Mere civilans just trying to survive in UN encampments,
> when along comes 'the buldozer'.  It wasnt even 2 or 20 people that he was
> responsible for killing, the total tally reached the hundreds.
>
> >The next time you see Yasser Arafat/Ariel Sharon talking politely to >Ted
> >Koppel on "Nightline," I want you to remember that behind
> >that phony smile is the conscience of a killer. He's the
> >premeditated murderer of U.S. diplomats/hundreds of humans.
> >
> >The next time you hear about the need for a Palestinian
> >state/security, I want you to remember that the leader for life of
> >that nation will be Yasser Arafat/Ariel Sharon.
> >
> >Does that really sound like the foundation for a permanent
> >peace?
>
> See it works both ways
>
> >From: Amelia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [CTRL] Murderer as peacemaker?
> >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:01:26 -0600
> >
> >-Caveat Lector-
> >
> >Murderer as peacemaker?
> >
> >© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
> >
> >How would you like it if millions of your hard-earned tax
> >dollars were sent to a little foreign dictator who murdered
> >two American diplomats and got away with it?
> >
> >I'm sure you would not be a happy camper. Well, as much as I
> >hate to upset you, dear readers, that is precisely what is
> >happening with the millions of dollars the U.S. is
> >transferring in foreign aid to Yasser Arafat and his
> >Palestine Authority.
> >
> >Maybe you didn't know about Arafat's murderous record
> >before. For that you can be excused, because the
> >establishment press has not done much to expose this petty
> >tyrant -- this killer of unarmed, innocent Americans simply
> >doing their country's diplomatic duty.
> >
> >But once I tell you the details of this heinous crime --
> >this unforgivable act of bloodlust -- you won't have any
> >excuses, anymore. If you don't act -- if you don't scream
> >about it to your elected officials in Washington -- then
> >you, too, will be tacitly guilty of rewarding a cowardly
> >killer for his evil deeds.
> >
> >Here are the facts, as I revealed in a news story in
> >WorldNetDaily last week:
> >
> >On Feb. 28, 1973, Yasser Arafat was overheard by Israeli and
> >U.S. intelligence operatives planning a Black September
> >terrorist operation in Khartoum, Sudan. His transmissions
> >were tape-recorded. They were transcribed, and warnings were
> >issued by National Security Agency personnel to the U.S.
> >Embassy in Sudan.
> >
> >Unfortunately, the alert was delayed because of a
> >bureaucratic snafu. A day later, eight Black September
> >terrorists stormed the Saudi Arabian embassy in Khartoum and
> >grabbed U.S. Ambassador Cleo Noel, Charge d'Affaires George
> >Curtis Moore and others hostage. On March 2, 1973, after the
> >terrorists' demands for the release of Sirhan Sirhan, Robert
> >F. Kennedy's assassin, were rebuffed by President Nixon,
> >Arafat was heard and recorded, once again, providing the
> >code words for the execution of Noel, Moore and Belgian
> >diplomat Guy Eid. They were machine-gunned to death.
> >
> >Until last week, no American involved in this tragedy had
> >spoken out on the details of that tragedy. But 28 years
> >later, James Welsh, the Palestinian analyst for the NSA who
> >issued the first alert on the incident, went public with
> >charges of a cover-up of Arafat's key role in the planning
> >and execution of the attack.
> >
> >Think about it. Yasser Arafat just visited the White House a
> >few weeks ago. He has won the Nobel Peace Prize. He is
> >heralded as a moderating force for compromise in the Middle
> >East. Yet, the truth is, he is a cold-blooded murderer of
> >innocent Americans.
> >
> >"No one wants to touch this thing," Welsh says. "It's a hot
> >potato. No one wants to be responsible for derailing the
> >Mideast peace process."
> >
> >But Welsh thinks the American people, who are footing much
> >of the bill for Arafat's current activities, have a right to
> >know about his personal responsibility for the murder of two
> >Americans. And he is the first American involved directly in
> >the affair to charge publicly what has long been rumored --
> >that Arafat ordered the embassy takeover and the murders of
> >the American diplomats.
> >
> >"I have decided that my oaths of secrecy must give way to my
> >sense of right and wrong," he told WorldNetDaily.
> >
> >While there is no statute of limitations on murder, one
> >

[CTRL] War in space.

[Nurev Ind Research]

-Caveat Lector-

http://www.herald.com/thispage.htm?content/today/opinion/digdocs/037340.htm
=== + = OPINION
Published Friday, January 26, 2001, in the Miami Herald

by Ira Chernus

Rumsfeld preparing for war in space?

Last century, in times of peace, U.S. military researchers were busy
inventing new weapons for the next war. New Secretary of Defense Donald
H. Rumsfeld seems determined to lead us now under the banner of ``While
you have peace on Earth, prepare for war in space.´´

As Rumsfeld takes office, we should demand a public debate on his
favorite cause: the militarization of space. Otherwise, we may plunge
blindly into the era of space warfare that Pentagon-paid scientists
already are planning.

The military-technology wizards flourish in times of relative
tranquillity. From 1871 to 1914, Europeans enjoyed a peace that many
thought would never end. Hence their shock when they saw in World War I
the horrors of machine guns, tanks, submarines and poison gas. After the
war, the shock waves reached the United States.

American leaders signed a treaty purporting to outlaw war in 1928; by
1935, thousands of young men had added their names to a formal pledge
never to take up arms again. But in the meantime devotees of aerial
warfare were designing new armaments: bombers carrying massive bombs,
aircraft carriers launching deadly fighter and torpedo planes. Even as
newspapers reported in- vestigations of ``the munitions makers´´ of
World War I, there was little public notice, let alone discussion, of
the new weapons systems.

Only sci-fi devotees even imagined the discoveries that were paving the
way for the most monstrous bombs of all. When public debate erupted
after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it was too late.

In the post-Cold War era of peace, weapons development continues at U.S.
nuclear laboratories, which plan to test the next generation of bombs on
computers rather than under the ground.

But who's paying attention? The real challenge with both nuclear and
conventional weapons is figuring out where to use them and ensuring that
they hit their intended targets. Military-might advocates have a
passionate booster in Rumsfeld.

The Air Force's Space Command boasts that it can develop computerized
satellites that will tell U.S. commanders everything that is happening,
at every moment, everywhere in the world. It also promises that these
satellites will guide U.S. weapons precisely to the target every time.
It has spent billions of dollars preparing for the militarization of
space. But it wants much more.Military-might advocates have a passionate
booster in the defense secretary.

We already have more destructive power than any one nation, or even the
world as a whole, could possibly use. We have that power because of
another revolution in military technology that went largely unnoticed.
During the detente of the late 1960s and 1970s, the weapons designers
went as far as they could with big, unwieldy, city-busting bombs.

So they invented a new generation of ``smaller´´ strategic weapons,
precision-guided by computers, mounted eight or 10 at a time on a single
warhead. Apart from a brief flap over defensive-missile systems, there
was scarcely any public interest.

The Space Command plans to use its satellite-and-computer network not
only for guiding these weapons but to destroy enemy satellites. They
hope to get a bigger piece of the budgetary pie. George W. Bush's
selection of Rumsfeld indicates that the new administration wants to cut
the pie very much to the Space Command's liking.

The only part of the plan getting scrutiny, now as in the 1960s, is
missile defense. Space-war boosters count on National Missile Defense to
ensure full-spectrum dominance, to spin off the technology that space
wars will require and to get us to pay for it all. Rumsfeld's passions
for missile defense and for space weapons are two sides of the same
coin.

Once the Pentagon tosses that coin, there will be no way to stop an arms
race in space, the costs of which, in money and eventually in human
lives, is incalculable. Now is the time for a public debate on this
subject.

Peacetime is the time to pay attention to the new war technology. After
the next war, it may be too late.
--
Ira Chernus is a religious-studies professor at the University of
Colorado at Boulder and a History News Service writer
([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Strange Burnings

[Aleisha Saba]

-Caveat Lector-

This story of spontaneous burning - years ago I ran into this stuff and
decided some were mafia murders.

So what is down in Pike County?   Bootleggers with connectin to police,
running illegal booze and the one case I know of personally - was a
restaurant with the man who was involved with several people, with
connections to Meyer Lansky for this is how it was then, when I was a
researcher being observed by those with inside track on many other
murders...

They were murderers - and eventually this place of all things - caught
fire -rather mysterious, said possible electrical problem?  But the fire
seemed located in the basement where this element, and all were Jewish
Mafia, stashed their neo nazi literature -

So I know for a fact that stills can be very dangerous and observed the
people in this restaurant in this huge basement area, pouring booze from
big jugs, into bottles. I said nothing, for I was no snitch - just a
researcher democrat at a party - but later this bunch turned on the
owner of the restaurant, and ended up in control of estate stealing over
3 million dollars, a banker allegedly suicided (big crock) and this was
a group of nice people   .and the last thing this man told me, for
he wanted me to know, was that Hoffa was alive in Canada and had had
plastic surgery - the boat in which he viritually escaped was called The
Great Escape.some say this man was CIA however,  they would have you
believe they were CIA..for they were the enemy within..

It seems, however, this part of Kentucky was notorious for the sitlls,
etc.Five men in a car, were they hunters - who were they - were they
bootleggers getting into someone elses's territory.

Later in the 70 period, Meyer Lansky and his henchmen were scouting oil
and gas fields in Ohio and in Kentucky.might add Klebold kid's
parents got into this stuff and left Ohio..the grandfather had
connections to these people.

So unless like the lady who before attempting to emerge from her car to
go to a party, sprayed her hair with hair spray, lit a cigarette and the
car inside virtually exploded.see how dangerous an aerosol can can
really be - noting of course the contents.

Piketown, KY.lot going on down there, and this mafia thing has
control of everything now virtually except the government - look at
California and then picture say Ohio someday and follow the footsteps of
Orpheus.

Note the guy who was involved someway with death of Princess Diana,
found in his little white fiat, burnt to death..suicided?

So looks like someone rubbed out some competition..and police were
involved in the booze running up to Ohio, also brought in were
cigarettes with no Ohio tax - Treasurer of State of Ohio as in this
restaurant once for a dinner for the democrats when they were democrats
and one of her crew noted the tax stamps missing from the cigarettes.

And this is really cute - a criminal element started rumor the kids
reporting same were smoking pot at this affair.

An attorney who came in to try to straighten out the mess was later sent
to prison in a deal involving gas and oil swindleshe then
disappeared when released from prison however, I was advised this man
was a traveling man ..

During this time from from 1964 into early 1970 period there were two
murderers loose - one called the Tingler who was known as Route 40
murderer and the other the 22 Caliber Killer and both had connections to
this same bunch.maybe 20 pepole or more murdered incuding two
attorneies - one found hanging in a stair well, a suicide and so I kept
tract of stuff like this.

Meyer Lansky had a long arm which reached into the gas and oil fields in
this area,  and stayed at a farm where a mafia "made man' lived, who had
a crooked nose, made straight, by a plastic surgeon.

So spontaneous combustion - in Kentucky - looks like the hunters became
the hunted>

Under J. Edgar Hoover we had a real FBI comprised of honorable
men..they knew the enemy..a book by Hoover Masters of Deceit is
well worth reading and also a story about a man called the Raven who
knew both sides of the fence and talked their language and once gave a
mafiaso a hand grip which almost knocked him over backwrds, for this
secret Mafia hand shake is similar to something else -

Wonder who the men were incinerated in this automobile - sounds like
guns, bootlegging, and even to running cigarettes - any police involved
here?

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: "Madam Kangaroo" Mutates to "Madam Halfbright" (TiM GW Bulletin 2001/1-3, Jan. 26, 2001)

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--- "Mrs. Jela Jovanovic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"A mere prosecutor of a kangaroo court telling the
world's heads of state,including the new White House
occupant who pays most of her salary,
what they must do."


Nakano Comments:
No American should be put on trial in any
"international court".  But if one ever is,
I have a suggestion for who should be the first.

Bill Clinton signed a last minute Executive Order
which unlawfully makes Americans subject to the
jurisdiction of International Courts.
The first American who should be put on trial
before the UN War Crimes Tribunal is Bill Clinton.
Do you recall that just as Congress began the
impeachment hearings, Clinton personally ordered a
U.S. cruise missile attack on a Sudanese
pharmaceutical factory?  This military attack on
a foreign country was a calculated diversionary
tactic.
That sounds like a "warcrime" to me.
Turned out the Clinton Administration had to admit
those "Monica Missiles" blew up a medicine factory.
Ol Slick wouldn't have signed that Executive Order
if he thought it might apply to him one day.
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[CTRL] Unnatural disaster: Deregulated California utilities

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Unnatural disaster
Deregulated California utilities are electrocuting the public.
Ohio is next

by Harvey Wasserman
Electric utility deregulation has become a spectacular catastrophe,
starting in California and stretching deep into our economic and
ecological future, here in Ohio and nationwide.

To keep it simple, we'll start with the top 10 truths about this unnatural
disaster:

1. There is no electric supply shortage threatening California (or the
nation), only a series of complex, cynical manipulations that have ramped
prices sky high, yielding enormous profits for a few distributors and
generators.

2. The deregulation bill at the root of this crisis was drafted by the
California utilities now facing bankruptcy and was rammed through the
California legislature (unanimously, in 1996) by the utilities' own
lobbyists.

3. The Natural Resources Defense Council, through its chief energy
spokesperson Ralph Cavanagh, and with support from the Energy Foundation,
played a key role in drafting, passing and then defending that bill.

4. But the California bill's catastrophic outcome was accurately predicted
in intricate detail by a wide range of grassroots, consumer and
environmental groups that challenged the deregulatory scheme in
a 1998 statewide referendum.

5. The utilities now screaming for help spent at least $40 million to defeat
the referendum that would have saved the state and nation from the
current crisis.

6. The utilities now screaming for help walked off with more than $20
billion in "stranded cost" bailouts as part of deregulation, but nobody
seems to be able to account for where the money went, nor is there
a concrete plan for getting that money back.

7. The consuming public would gain, not lose, if the utilities now
threatening to go bankrupt actually did go bankrupt, and the public then
took over the utilities.

8. The public-owned utilities that supply Los Angeles and Sacramento are
prospering in the midst of this crisis, proving once again that public power
is the answer to the nation's long-term energy needs.

9. Those municipal utilities are deeply invested in energy efficiency and
renewable sources (wind and solar), which has provided them with a stable
supply in the midst of the crisis.

10. Any new electricity production added to the state and national grid
should come from wind, which is the cheapest and fastest-to-build new
power source, and from solar power, which can be installed on rooftops and
at industrial sites, freeing homeowners and businesses from the lethal
fluctuation of monopoly manipulations.

The core of the California power crisis is simple: The utilities got greedy.
They thought they were taking the electricity business into a brave and
profitable new millennium. Instead, they threw it back to a chaotic old
century.

In the 1880s, when Thomas Edison and others first made electricity a
salable commodity, rampant competition created chaos. Wires were strung
everywhere, power plants popped up in bad places, service was abominable.

But as the Morgans and Rockefellers inevitably swooped in to create stable
monopolies, the public rebelled against price gouging and centralized
private control. The barons who gobbled up the revolutionary new
technology were confronted with the threat of being taken over by angry
consumers.

So Samuel Insull, the godfather of the new industry, came up with a
compromise--regulation. From 1907 through 1920, virtually every state
established its own regulatory commission to set rates and monitor growth
and service in the electric power business. But the state commissions were
rapidly taken over by the utilities themselves, and there were extensive
flaws in the scheme, most notably its propensity to encourage the
construction of massively expensive, inefficient and dirty power plants.

Along the way, massive abuses brought on the New Deal installation of
the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and other national controls.
Since then, state and federal regulation has provided the nation with a
relatively stable and reliable electric supply system. It has been stodgy
and short on technical innovation. It has also stemmed the tide of public
power, which still, where it's in place, provides cheaper and more
reliable electricity than private investor-owned utilities, regulated or
otherwise. And, in fact, regulation is still in place in 27 states. Though
Texas has insisted on deregulating in the midst of the California debacle,
the chaos in the Golden State has pretty much stopped what looked like
a national avalanche of state deregulations.

In California, the disaster has taken the form of a mafia-style shakedown.
As a price for ending regulation, the utilities demanded a $28.5 billion
"stranded cost" bailout for their bad investments, most importantly their
obsolete, super-expensive nuclear power plants (in Ohio the "stranded
cost" tab has been more like $9 billion).

What happened to that money, nobody seems to know. Southern Ca

[CTRL] [Fwd: Fast Track Again]

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Subject: Fast Track Again
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:06:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Eisenscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: undisclosed-recipients:;

Subject:
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 Date:
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Fast Track is going to be one of the most important first struggles against
the Bush administration as it was against the Clinton administration.  Their
positions are the same.  "Give me fast track and I will push through the new
Free Trade Area of the Americas."  In the documents on this new free trade
initiative that have just been released, all of the most horrendous free
trade efforts are coming around again.  The things that we had defeated,
with
the huge help of the Europeans who first exposed it, we defeated the
Multilateral Agreement on Investment.  In the new FTAA, it is fully
developed.  It would allow corporations to sue nations -- all nations-- that
stand in the way of corporate profits.  This means that any country that
continues to want to control its own health care institutions, schools,
postal services, water, electricity, environmental protection, nursing care,
elder care, social security, etc. will be subject to suit supported by the
dispute mechanism of the World Trade Organization unless they allow the
corporations to take over and make profits on these public services.

It is important for us to throw a lot of energy into stopping Fast Track.
These horrendous free trade changes are not inevitable.  The Europeans have,
so far, been able to resist.  The Asians are resisting.  The attempt now to
corral Latin America, the Caribbean, U.S. and Canada into the FTAA as
quickly
as possible is an attempt to save this effort on the part of the
corporations
and the free trade consortium.  We can stop them.

For those who would like to see an analysis of the FTAA, let me know and I
will try to e-mail the whole thing to you.  I am forwarding an article about
the so-called New Democrats who are eager to support Bush in rushing to get
fast track so that we can unify our position and our work. Adelante.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Behind the California Blackouts]

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 Original Message 
Subject: Behind the California Blackouts
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:11:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Institute for Public Accuracy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: undisclosed-recipients:;

Institute for Public Accuracy
915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045
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 Wednesday, January 24, 2001

 BEHIND THE CALIFORNIA BLACKOUTS

MEDEA BENJAMIN, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.powertothepeople.org
Founding director of Global Exchange and spokesperson for the Campaign for
Public Power Now, a new coalition of consumer, community and environmental
groups, Benjamin said today: "Dozens of municipalities throughout the
state, including Los Angeles and Sacramento, have no power crisis because
they publicly own and control their power systems Governor Gray Davis
should use the power of eminent domain to take over the generation,
transmission and distribution of electricity. Politicians should give back
the money their campaigns got from the utility industry and fight for the
interests of consumers, not grossly mismanaged utility companies."

TYSON SLOCUM, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.citizen.org/cmep
Senior researcher at Public Citizen, Slocum said today: "What we're seeing
in California is price manipulation by the handful of power producers who
exert total market control over the wholesale market. This manipulation is
clear: The amount utilities paid for wholesale power in November and
December 2000 exceeded by 28 percent the amount the utilities paid for
wholesale power during all 12 months of 1999 The seven biggest
unregulated energy companies operating in California posted $4.6 billion in
after-tax profit since the May 2000 price spikes -- a 57 percent increase
from the same period in '99 George W. Bush has said that the crisis is
a state, not a federal, issue. He couldn't be more wrong. The federal
government, through the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, has the
authority to set cost-based rates on California power producers."

HARVEY WASSERMAN, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.nirs.org
Author of the just-released book "The Last Energy War: The Battle Over
Utility Deregulation," Wasserman said today: "California's dereg disaster
took root in 1996, when the state's three dominant utilities banded
together to force on the ratepayers what they expected to be 'the largest
corporate rip-off in American business history,' as Ralph Nader has put it.
Some consumer and environmental groups were furious over a wide range of
issues, most notably bailouts of utilities' nuclear reactors. So in 1998, a
broad coalition put a repeal on the ballot. Initial polls showed them
winning repeal by wide margins. Then the utilities spent more than $40
million, calling in their chits with labor, ethnic and other organizations
around the state. The repeal went down, 70-30."

GREGORY PALAST, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.GregoryPalast.com
Palast is founder of Public Utilities Reform Group (UK) and author of
"Democratic Regulation." Britain has been the model for electric
deregulation. Palast is also a columnist for the British newspaper the
Observer. He said today: "The California blackouts are a simple case of
greed run amuck, predictable and predicted. The big winners in this
monstrosity are Enron -- the largest career contributor to George W. Bush
-- and other energy companies who have strangled the market. 'Deregulation'
is a lie -- it is simply moving regulation from democratic government
agencies to an unelected circle of market manipulators."

For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy:
Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; David Zupan, (541) 484-9167

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[CTRL] Has Ray been bought?

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 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21511
Ray shuts down Project X probe
Independent counsel closes investigation into missing White House e-mails,
threats





By Paul Sperry
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON -- After 10 months on the case, Independent Counsel Robert Ray
has closed his criminal investigation into whether the White House withheld
subpoenaed e-mails and threatened workers to keep quiet about it.

"All matters within the Lewinsky jurisdiction are now closed, including the
e-mail matter," said Keith Ausbrook, senior counsel in the Office of
Independent Counsel, in a statement to WorldNetDaily.

Ray decided not to seek an indictment against former President Clinton for
lying under oath in the Paula Jones sexual-harassment lawsuit against him,
which named as a witness Clinton's White House mistress Monica Lewinsky.

He dismissed a federal grand jury that was hearing the perjury case after
cutting a deal with Clinton's personal lawyer that required Clinton to
confess to making false statements and give up his law license for five
years.

Ausbrook declined to give a reason why Ray also closed the e-mail case,
which was known inside the White House as "Project X."

"It was the judgment of our office that, in concluding the Lewinsky matter,
that matter should be included as well," he said.

Ausbrook says Ray took the e-mail case because it potentially touched on
other investigations under his jurisdiction.

The 1996-1998 gap in Executive Office of the President (EOP) e-mails
includes messages sent by Lewinsky. Computer contractors and former White
House workers have testified the trove also includes e-mails related to
Filegate and other Clinton scandals, such as Chinagate.

"If they [White House officials] withheld e-mail from us, it cut across our
other investigations," Ausbrook explained.

Last year, Ray impaneled a criminal grand jury to hear the case.

In April, the grand jury subpoenaed the National Archives for any
information that could shed light on the records-keeping practices of the
EOP. Jurors also heard from White House witnesses such as Terry Misich, the
military detailee tasked with recovering the lost e-mail.

Since March, the Justice Department also has been investigating Project X,
as part of its special campaign-finance probe, which encompasses Chinagate.

Justice spokesman John Russell on Thursday said the campaign-finance task
force is still actively investigating the missing e-mails and threats.

Sheryl Hall, the former White House computer manager who blew the whistle on
Project X, said she is "outraged" that Ray folded his probe. She called it
"cowardly."

"Government workers came forward at great career risk and personal risk,"
she said, "and now we're being told it was all for naught?"

She and former Northrop Grumman contractor Betty Lambuth both told their
stories to Ray's investigators last year.

"People were threatened -- and there was good reason why they were
threatened," she added. "They [White House officials] were trying to hide
evidence of criminal wrongdoing."

Hall said it looks to her like Ray's decision was based on political
considerations rather than legal ones. She speculates that he likely didn't
want to cause further embarrassment for an outgoing president and undue
burden for an incoming president.

Judicial Watch General Counsel Larry Klayman, who's trying to recover the
missing e-mails as part of his Filegate lawsuit against the White House, was
more blunt.

"Ray took a dive," said Klayman, who also represents Hall.

"He shut down Filegate. He shut down Travelgate. He shut down Lewinsky," he
said. "He doesn't want to uncover any e-mails that would prove him wrong in
clearing Clinton in these scandals."

 WorldNetDaily Ray shuts down Project X probe.url

[CTRL] Twisted furor over schoolboy essay

[Kelly]

-Caveat Lector-

http://www.nationalpost.com/
January 27, 2001

Twisted furor over schoolboy essay
Many say jailing not a case of censorship

Jonathan Kay
National Post

Margaret Atwood, Michael Ondaatje and
other successful authors will meet in
Ottawa tomorrow to trumpet their
support for an Ontario schoolboy charged
with uttering threats after he read a
violent monologue in class. The
fundraising event is called "Artists for
Freedom of Speech." But students and
administrators at the Tagwi Secondary
School in Avonmore, Ont., say this case
may have little to do with free expression.

The Tagwi (pronounced "tug-wuh") story,
as it has been told, goes like this:
Following years of abuse from bullies, the
boy (whose name cannot be revealed
under Canada's Young Offenders Act)
read his drama classmates a story, which
he titled Twisted, about a boy blowing up
a school. Though the monologue was
fictional, fears of a Columbine-style attack
whipped the school into hysteria. Tagwi
suspended the student as punishment for
what he had written.

The police, who also became caught up in
the hysteria, used the same justification
to throw the child in jail where, owing to
community fears, he was locked up for 34
days.

But interviews with students and staff
members suggest that every element in
this narrative -- aside from the fact the
defendant read aloud a story about a boy
blowing up a school -- is false.

Numerous sources, including four
students in the boy's drama class who
were present when Twisted was
presented, report he was neither
disciplined nor criticized by school officials
for presenting his monologue.

"Everyone is concentrating on his class
composition," says John Beveridge,
executive assistant to the director of
education of the Upper Canada District
School Board.

"But when everything in the course of
time is revealed, I'm quite confident it will
be shown that the Board and those
involved are getting a bad rap."

Already, the school has disclosed the boy was not suspended and the
police not consulted until allegations surfaced that he made direct
face-to-face threats to Tagwi students in the days following the
monologue.

Three of the four criminal charges against the boy pertain to alleged
death threats to specific classmates.

It also turns out the Crown had nothing to do with the boy's 34 days
in jail. His bail hearing was delayed at least three times -- always at
the urging of defence counsel.

And yet one newspaper article published on Jan. 8 led with the
chilling words, "Writers beware -- your imagination could land you in
jail," and quoted Frank Horn, the boy's lawyer, as saying: "Does this
mean writers will have to worry whether they're breaking the law
with every sentence they write? ... Can their imagination break the
law?"

This is the purportedly the first free speech case Mr. Horn has taken;
his usual trade is defending small-time criminals on charges of assault
and public drunkenness.

Nevertheless, his comments have been reported widely, angering
many at Tagwi, who feel their school has been unfairly maligned.

"I think it's always easier to focus on the individual who [says he's]
oppressed," says Art Buckland, the Upper Canada District School
Board representative for the Avonmore area. "You can imagine a
defence lawyer playing up the free speech angle. He loves it."

Mary Mayer, Tagwi's principal, has denied Mr. Horn's suggestions all
along. She believes because the school's account of events has gone
largely unreported, the public is misinformed.

The fact is the school's decision to discipline the boy and consult
police was based on an alleged pattern of direct threats -- not the
content of the monologue.

The controversy might have been cut short following the boy's bail
hearing, at which the Crown presented its charges. But the presiding
justice of the peace, Basile Marchand, declared a publication ban, so
the dozen reporters present could not publish details of the

[CTRL] High court upholds child porn ban

[Kelly]

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http://www.nationalpost.com/
January 27, 2001

High court upholds child porn ban
Justices overturn lower court's verdict, allow two exceptions

Luiza Chwialkowska
National Post

OTTAWA - The Supreme Court of Canada unanimously upheld the
nation's child pornography law yesterday, releasing a
long-anticipated ruling that also set out two exceptions to the law.

The ruling means that John Robin Sharpe, the retired B.C. town
planner who launched the challenge of the law, will stand trial again
on charges of possession of child pornography.

The nine justices upheld the law that made it a crime to possess a
broad range of child pornography, but they split 6-3 over exempting
two categories of material: items such as diaries or drawings created
privately and videos or photographs people take of themselves,
provided they do not depict unlawful activity and are also for private
use.

"The limits [the law] imposes on free expression are justified by the
protection the law affords children from exploitation and abuse," Chief
Justice Beverley McLachlin wrote in the 64-page ruling.

"The prohibition captures in its sweep materials that arguably pose
little or no risk to children, and that deeply implicate the freedoms
guaranteed under [the Charter,]" the ruling read.

Three of the judges disagreed with the majority and would have
upheld the entire law.

In an interview from his Vancouver-area rooming house, Mr. Sharpe
said he was disappointed to learn that his legal battle will continue.
The 67-year-old said children were meant to have sex, regardless of
what the law says.

"If God didn't mean children to have sex, then why does puberty
happen so early?" he said yesterday. "Why [are] kids capable of
sexual urges and sexual fantasies from at least the age of 11 in boys,
probably earlier in girls? Did God goof?"

The decision will allow dozens of other child pornography cases
across the country to resume. As many as 100 prosecutions had been
suspended until the Supreme Court ruled on an appeal of decisions
by two B.C. courts which struck down the child pornography law.

Law enforcement officials applauded the ruling.

"The members on the front lines will be please and relieved with the
decision," said Constable Grant Obst, president of the Canadian
Police Association and member of the Saskatoon Police Services.

"We will not have to alter or change our current prosecution of
pornography."

Tim Danson, who represented police and victims organizations
intervening in the case, said the kind of material covered by the two
exceptions have never been the sole basis of an investigation, charge
or prosecution.

Most child pornography is traded on the Internet, and pedophiles
who only keep private diaries "don't exist," he said.

"Police are not interested in diaries. They are far too busy with
respect to serious child pornography."

Prosecutors also welcomed the ruling, saying the exceptions imposed
by the court will not effect the majority of their cases.

Bryan Davies, assistant Crown attorney in Whitby, Ont., is
prosecuting two cases involving possession of child pornography that
have been on hold pending the ruling in the Sharpe case. He said
yesterday that he expects them to return to court immediately.

"We are very happy with what the Supreme Court of Canada has
done. It would appear to remove any impediment as to why the
cases shouldn't go ahead. The rules are very clear," Mr. Davies said.

Detective Inspector Bob Matthews, head of the pornography unit of
Ontario Provincial Police, said the case will allow police and
prosecutors to "clear the backlog" of 41 cases left in limbo in Ontario
courts waiting for the decision.

It is not clear whether the exceptions will help Mr. Sharpe, who
successfully challenged the law as a violation of free speech.
Materials seized from his possession in 1995 and 1996 included both
short stories and photographs of nude boys in sexual acts.

Mr. Sharpe's lawyers had argued the language of the statute was
"Orwellian" in its scope, however the court gave a much narrower
interpretation to the wording of the statute.

The ruling said fictional stories were not covered by the law's ban on
"written materials that advocates or counsels sexual activity."

"While Nabokov's Lolita, Boccaccio's Decameron, and Plato's
Symposium portray or discuss sexual activities with children ... they
cannot be said to advocate or counsel such conduct in the sense of
actively inducing or encouraging it," the court declared.

The decision left intact the law's existing exceptions for work of
artistic merit, educational, scientific or medical purpose.

However, Justice McLachlin said in upholding the law that children
should be protected from becoming either the subjects or victims of
child pornography.

"Explicit sexual photographs and videotapes of children may promote
cognitive distortions, fuel fantasies that incite offenders, enable
grooming of victims, and may be produced using real children," s

[CTRL] [WND] 'Invade a home and invite a bullet' South Carolina attorney general backs armed home defense

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> 'Invade a home and invite a bullet' South Carolina attorney general
> backs
> armed home defense
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21478
>
> By Jon Dougherty
>
> In declaring an "open season" on burglars who break into homes, South
> Carolina Attorney General Charlie Condon has instructed all
> solicitors,
> sheriffs and police chiefs in the state to refrain from arresting
> "citizens
> acting to defend their homes" with a firearm or other weapon.
>
> In a statement released yesterday, Condon's office said the attorney
> general sent a memorandum to all state prosecutors and law
> enforcement
> officials warning them not to arrest or prosecute people who defend
> themselves with "deadly force" against a "home invader."
>
> The statement said the policy was necessary to protect citizens "in
> the
> wake of a rash of recent home invasions in North Charleston and
> elsewhere
> throughout the state."
>
> "As chief prosecutor of South Carolina, I am today declaring open
> season on
> home invaders," Condon said.  "That season is year round.  Citizens
> protecting their homes who use force -- even deadly force -- will be
> fully
> safeguarded under the law of this state and subject to no arrest,
> charge or
> prosecution.
>
> "In South Carolina, would-be intruders should now hear this: Invade a
> home
> and invite a bullet," said Cordon, a Republican.
>
> The state's chief law enforcement officer also said "a recent rash of
> home
> invasions by gang members and other criminals" led to his decision,
> noting
> that gang activity "is rising sharply in South Carolina."
>
> He cited a string of recent break-ins in North Charleston, as well as
> an
> incident in Columbia -- the state capital -- "where a victim managed
> to
> fight off home invaders with a sword," the statement said.
>
> Also, Condon said that in Richland County, sheriff's department
> officials
> believe four men have been responsible for over 90 home invasions in
> the
> past year alone.
>
> The policy serves as a warning to potential burglars, Condon said,
> about
> what "faces them"
> if they attempt to break into a home.  And, he said, the policy would
> serve
> "to let homeowners know their rights."
>
> The attorney general said existing case law in South Carolina "gives
> ironclad protection to the citizen in safeguarding his or her home.
>
> "Inside the citizen's home, there are no legal technicalities for the
> criminal to rely on," he said.  Courts have ruled that even deadly
> force
> may be used against a burglar "if such degree of force be reasonably
> necessary to accomplish the purpose of preventing a forcible entry
> against
> his will."
>
> Condon said the new policy would actually help the state's police
> officers.
>
> "Law enforcement officers cannot be everywhere at once," he said,
> noting
> that armed citizens protecting their homes would serve as a deterrent
> to
> crime, and lower crime rates and property loss.
>
> "Home invaders will think twice and even a third time" before
> breaking in,
> he said, "knowing [they] risk . their own death . on the other side
> of the
> innocent homeowner's door."
>
> "The home is the family's fortress of protection,"
> he added.  "When at home, people rightfully feel they are standing on
> sacred ground.  The citizen's home is the line in the sand where
> criminals
> dare not cross."
>
> Condon's policy appears to reflect the sentiment of most police
> chiefs and
> sheriffs across the country.
>
> According to a 1999-2000 annual survey conducted by the National
> Association of Chiefs of Police, 93 percent of police chiefs and
> sheriffs
> who responded believe law-abiding citizens "should be able to
> purchase a
> firearm for self-defense or sport."
>
> Perhaps ironically, almost 95 percent of respondents did not believe
> the
> media is "fair and balanced" in reporting the news about police,
> firearms
> and other issues.
>
> While most gun-control groups believe fewer firearms in circulation
> -- as
> well as increased restrictions on private firearms ownership -- would
> do
> more to reduce gun deaths and the violent crime associated with them,
> survey participants overwhelmingly disagreed.
>
> Most police chiefs and sheriffs said better enforcement of existing
> laws --
> not new gun laws -- would do more to reduce violence and gun deaths.
> Also,
> 88 percent said persons convicted of violating state or federal
> firearm
> possession laws should receive the maximum prison term for the
> offense.

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[CTRL] NM: Top Judiciary Dem Leahy Defends White House Trashing

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Thursday, Jan.  25, 2001 4:32 p.m.  EST

Top Judiciary Dem Leahy Defends White House Trashing

Ranking Senate Judiciary Committee Democrat Patrick Leahy said
Thursday that White House vandalism by departing Clinton aides
doesn't warrant investigation, because the perpetrators were
merely following the example set by the previous Bush
administration.

"You know, the same issue came up when former President Bush
left," Leahy told WKDR Burlington, Vt.  radio host Mark Johnson.

"They found on some of the furniture in the White House, they had
laminated [former] President Bush's photograph onto it when the
Clinton people came in," said Leahy, adding that the new
administration had to spend "a great deal of money" to undo the
damage.

Leahy also charged that aides to the current president's father
had "moved a number of things" and "changed a number of the
computers around so that it would take them a long time to have
them reconfigured."

"I thought it was wrong when the Bush people did it," said the
Vermont senator.  "I think it's wrong when the Clinton people did
it."

Even if true, the apparently new charges of Bush White House
vandalism, at least as described by Leahy, don't rise to the
level of what allegedly transpired last Saturday, when telephone
and computer cables were cut, desks were overturned, trash was
dumped everywhere, and White House hallways weresprayed with
obscene graffiti.

Still, Leahy said he hoped there would be no investigation into
the Inauguration Day destruction.

"We didn't go investigating the Bush people for doing it and I
just think that President George W.  Bush is going to take the
same position President Clinton did - where the Clinton people
did not go after his father's aides for doing the things they
did."

Leahy did criticize Saturday's White House vandalism as "somewhat
tasteless."

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[CTRL] ABCN: REU: Sen. Clinton Challenges Bush's Tax, Health Policies

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http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/reuters20010125_4332.html

Sen. Clinton Challenges Bush's Tax, Health Policies

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In her first major policy speech as a U.S.
senator, former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday
lashed out at President George W. Bush"s tax cut plans and warned
him against rolling back abortion rights.

Less than a week after leaving the White House, Sen. Clinton drew
battle lines with the new Republican administration on tax and
health care policy. She blasted Bush"s $1.6 trillion tax cut
package, saying it would "lead us back to a deficit position,"
warned the new administration against banning the abortion pill
RU-486 on "political grounds," and promised to lobby for passage
of a "universal, affordable and comprehensive" prescription drug
benefit for seniors.

Clinton made history in the November election, becoming the first
president"s wife to win public office. As New York"s new senator,
Clinton promised to focus on nitty gritty, constituent-oriented
policies, and to work alongside the Republican leaders who
spearheaded her husband"s impeachment and pushed Democrats out of
the White House.

Addressing a health care forum in Washington, Sen. Clinton
sharply criticized Bush for imposing a ban on federal funds for
international family planning groups that "perform or actively
promote" abortions. "I would hope that this order, which
penalizes family planning ... would be rethought and reversed,"
she said, adding that her supporters must "remain vigilant so
that the progress we"ve made thus far is not rolled back."
Clinton said Bush"s secretary of health and human services, Tommy
Thompson, should not politicize his proposed review of the
abortion pill RU-486. The pill won Food and Drug Administration
(FDA) approval last year, giving women a nonsurgical option for
ending early-term pregnancies. "I think the evidence of the
efficacy and safety of RU-486 is convincing and I would be very
concerned if a decision were made on political grounds instead of
on medical or scientific grounds," Clinton told reporters.
Reviled by some conservative Republicans for heading efforts in
President Clinton"s first term to overhaul the health care
system, the former first lady said she would continue the fight
in the Senate.

Clinton threw her support behind Democratic bills that would
provide prescription coverage to Medicare recipients, expand
health care coverage to the uninsured and safeguard patients"
rights. And she warned Congress against abandoning "balanced"
fiscal policies in favor of massive tax cuts. "In striking that
balance between tax cuts and investments, paying down the debt
and having a reserve fund, we have to recognize that health care
must get the attention it deserves," Clinton said.

But given that Republicans, for the first time since 1953,
simultaneously control the White House, the Senate and the House
of Representatives, she conceded: "The road ahead is one that"s
difficult."

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[CTRL] Defense Secretary: U.S. Will Build National Missile-Defense System

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Defense Secretary: U.S. Will Build National Missile-Defense System
Friday, January 26, 2001


The United States will forge ahead with plans to build a national
missile-defense system, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday.

Hillery Smith Garrison/AP

Friday: Rumsfeld gestures to reporters at the Pentagon during his
announcement about the missile defense system.


The Bush administration's controversial move comes despite objections by
Russia and other countries.

"The president has not been ambivalent about" following through on his
campaign pledge to build a shield to protect against limited attack from
ballistic missiles, Rumsfeld said. He would not say when the decision to
actually deploy such a system would be made.

As to the landmark 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty that rules out such
defenses, Rumsfeld said, "we are in a very different world" than when the
treaty was signed.

"It was a long time ago that that treaty was fashioned," he said.
"Technologies were noticeably different. The Soviet Union, our partner in
that agreement, doesn't exist any more."

Russia, under democratic rule since 1993, sees the matter differently. Along
with Beijing, Moscow opposes the system, saying it could re-ignite the arms
race. Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that Russia would scrap all
existing arms control agreements if Washington backs out of the treaty.

In Moscow on Friday, Putin insisted Russia expects the United States to
adhere to the ABM treaty.

"Russia is actively working with our partners" and "counts on joint work" to
preserve the ABM treaty, Putin said.

Rumsfeld, a strong advocate of the system, has said the shield would defend
against states seen as a threat, such as North Korea and Iran.

Many conservatives, however, contend the ABM treaty is no longer in force.
Rumsfeld stopped short of expressing such a sentiment, but said, "It ought
not to inhibit a country, a president, an administration, a nation from
fashioning offensive and defensive capabilities that will provide for our
security. The Russians know, they have to know, that the kinds of
capabilities that are being discussed are not capabilities that threaten them
in any way."

Rumsfeld plans to travel to Munich, Germany, next week to attend an annual
European conference on security issues, where he will have his first chance
to raise the missile defense issue with European allies, some of whom are
antsy about the repercussions Friday's decision may have.

Former President Clinton delayed a decision on whether the nation should move
ahead with a missile defense system, leaving the issue for Bush.

— The Associated Press contributed to this report




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[CTRL] Calf. Energy Crisis & LIPPO (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:32:40 -0800
From: Charles Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Calf. Energy Crisis & LIPPO

FYI -

California has a power crisis and Edison is one of the companies
about to go bankrupt.  Power crisis?  Hah... financial crisis due
to illegal payments made to Lippo and Suharto.

The PAITON COAL FIRED POWER PLANT in East Java...

Californians should ask Edison International about that $50
no-payback loan to Suharto's daughter and the now-invalid $2.6
billion dollar Paiton power plant in Indonesia.  The Indonesia
power company PLN used my FOIA documents to prove the Edison
project made the illegal loan in court.  Keep in mind that the
Suharto relative who had the no-cut/no-bid coal contract is also
fianancially backed by the Lippo group.  The coal is - of course
- from the world's only sulfur free mine in Indonesia - thanks to
former President Clinton's Utah monument.

The proof?  The Edison CEO wrote Ron Brown trying to strong arm
the Asian Development Bank to make the no-payback loan to
Suharto's daughter.  ADB turned down Edison - forcing the utility
to finance the no-payback loan using commercial notes.  All now
ruled illegal.

The Indonesian audit of the Edison project revealed that over
$280 million was missing.

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91770, (818) 302-2265

John E. Bryson
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Chief Executive Officer

 August 26, 1994

Secretary Ronald H. Brown
Department of Commerce
14th St. & Constitution Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20203

Dear Ron:

I am writing to request your support of the application of the
Paiton Private Power Project in Indonesia for funding by the
Asian Development Bank (ADB).  The Project, which is described
in the attached background sheet, is a $2.6 billion power
project. being developed by Mission Energy Company (a subsidiary
of SCEcorp) together with its partners General Electric Company,
Mitsui & Co., Ltd.., and Batu Hiram Perkasa of Indonesia.

We have applied to the ADB for $50 million of funding as part
of a $1.9 billion financing package.  The bulk of the funds will
come from a group of commercial banks, the U. S. Export Import
Bank and Japan Ex-Im.

The Paiton Project is widely recognized as one of the leading
private power projects in Asia.  Mission Energy, an American
Company, has taken the lead in the development of the project.
The success of this project will greatly enhance the business
prospects for American companies in the fast-growing private
power markets worldwide.

I would greatly appreciate it if you would indicate your support
for ADB funding of this project. With that in mind, enclosed is
a draft letter to Ambassador Linda Tsao Yang, U.S.  Executive.
Director of ADB, for your consideration.

Robert Edgell, Executive Vice President of Mission Energy, would
be pleased to answer any questions and to work with your staff
on this matter.

Thank you for your consideration of this request.

Very truly yours,

John E. Bryson

Enclosures


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Re: [CTRL] 2 Klinton articles

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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Seems this BeeOTCH has your number, my friend!!

;-)

My best to you,

Mike

P.S.  What's your take on the Super Bowl odds (and your choice of
victors)??

I, personally, woulda GIVEN 6 1/2 to Baltimore!!  I put $50 on
the Giants and 2.5:)

I see it as X-mas 2001 EARLY!

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, tnohava wrote:

>  My my...someone initiated a condemning and disdainful exchange in response
> to my jesting reply.
> Sorry...Not Afraid, only BORED with you and your response concerning the
> article I posted last week on the Most Holy Reverend Jesse Jackson and the
> expose' of his infidelity and illegitimate toddler. If you recall you chose
> to respond to that article in private email to me personally with your
> bashing remarks and not via CTRL. As a result you couldn't take the heat as
> you've proven here.
>
> "cutesy vanity email servers and then disallowing replies"
> Sorry again...it's apparent you know nothing about what you're talking
> about. Check the message header, trace the message...sorry again...you'll go
> nowhere. No (as you put it) "cutesy" servers, no remailers, all easily
> traceable. Disallowing replies...mistaken again, all you did was reply to a
> non existent email address. I did this full well knowing you wasted allot of
> time bashing me again only to have the message returned to you. Knowing as
> well you lacked the common sense to work around this. Frankly I was bored
> with your drivel and decided you were mentally unstable already.
>
> "Hit and Run"...I'm still here, I've been subscribed to this list for at
> least three years now, probably more.
>
> "wussy lil' fella" My my...you don't even know me. It's like I told before,
> email makes the little man feel big as you've proven here...illusionary.
>
> "I don't wanna' get off on a rant here but...there's nothing worse than a
> big-talking momma's boy throwing the STONES he's so clearly lacking." Really
> puzzled by this one, a profound and stupid statement. To make a statement as
> such you would have to know something about me and that you clearly do not
> nor does anyone else on this list.
>
>
> It's pretty evident you have some psychological problems, you've proven that
> with your pursuit of me via the Internet in private email.
> Personal advice...
> When your Head starts hurting again ["I FEEL YOUR PAIN"-(Barf!)] you should
> seek medication and or professional consultation.
> When pain in your head becomes unbearable here is a link you might find very
> useful, "Click Here"
> If the former doesn't seem to get the job done for you perhaps you'll find
> this a useful alternative, "Click Here"
> Perhaps there's something more lacking in your life, a insufficiency, maybe
> this will help, "Click Here"
> Or you might find help on the flipside, "Click Here"
> It's obvious you're a Hillary Clinton Fan, you might enjoy joining the rest
> of her Fans, "Click Here".
>
> Your no different than some of the others who can't accept the fact there is
> no more Clinton/Gore or Gore Lieberman Administration. The trashing of the
> Whitehouse and Air Force One pretty much tells anyone with some measurable
> degree of intelligence what kind of character we had running the Executive
> Branch of Government, really honorable huh?
>
> One thing that puzzles me is why you Forwarded the message below back to the
> CTRL ListDUH!!!
>
> Go ahead and reply in your usual stupid braindead fashion as you won't
> illicit any response from me, as your nothing more than a Total Ignorant
> Bore who chose to initiate this.
>
>
>
> Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of William Shannon
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:12 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] 2 Klinton articles
>
>
> In a message dated 1/24/01 6:02:49 PM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
>
>   It's been reported she's having problems with her Shapeshifting Abilities.
> It's also been reported that tnohava is a real wussy lil' fella' who is to
> 'fraid to reply to emails without resorting to sending "hit and run" type
> missives from cutesy vanity email servers and then disallowing replies.
>
> I don't wanna' get off on a rant here but...there's nothing worse than a
> big-talking momma's boy throwing the STONES he's so clearly lacking.
>
> Bill.
>

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[CTRL] "DEFENDING AMERICA NEWSLETTER" 24 January 2001 Part 3

[Bill Richer]

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ARTICLE 7

The Sergeant's Corner - Cold War Training and Leading Remembered

Ed.: A good perspective about team training and salvaging problem troops.
***

By Marc J. Custer

Although I have been out of the Military for nearly 15 years, I follow it as
best I can. Your recent article was right on the money. All the fancy and
high tech weapons and equipment aren't worth anything unless we have soldiers
of even higher caliber.

I used to get sick of all the over again and over again training we used to
do as enlisted. But I would swear by it once I became an NCO, because simple
things like changing a 50 cal. barrel was second nature, or coming out of the
back of an A.P.C. was like a football team coming up to the line of scrimmage
knowing how to execute the play automatically.

It seemed hard to come up with new ways to do the same old things at NCO time
training in garrison. There were some groups of NCOs that I worked with that
the teamwork between us actually made such training periods fun for the
troops. I learned things from everyone as we all did. It was the collective
experiences that we shared, as each of us had their own area that we excelled
in, and passed it on to our soldiers.

Even off duty, like on a Saturday morning a platoon would get together and go
off into the woods and train on how to engage snipers (or terrorists) with
SSG McNiel and our Platoon Leader acting as the snipers (McNiel was good!).
There was so many ways to be creative back in the 1980s. The equipment was
still old but the troops trained well.

I feel that the Cold War was a motivation that inspired some of us. Since
it's end I feel there is something lacking to inspire the Military. The
missions are unclear, or less of a threat. The unsaid stress of the Cold War
in a soldiers mind was what drove many to excel. For others it weeded them
out, as they turned to alcohol or drugs. Unlike many, I choose rehab instead
of punishment for them. I understood the stress, and the mechanisms for
dealing with them. Keep them busy, keep them focused, and encourage them to
do better (not scold them for failure, none of us are perfect).

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And the Public Wonders why Recruiting is so Difficult?
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Ed: Know the underlying causes for the problem, before you implement the
fixes.
***

Col Roderick Smith, USMCR (Ret.)

Enthusiasm for the military life is a calling, not a job. As with any true
calling, it is based on the willingness to subordinate individual thoughts
and concerns, including the concern to protect one's own life, for the good
of the group and the mission. It is teamwork at its heart and teamwork in its
most complex form.

Such enthusiasm is gained by experience, self-discipline and camaraderie.
Recruits rarely have it, although must hold the potential for it. Military
recruits join their service for three primary reasons: (1) Membership-the
opportunity to belong to a prideful organization and to show off that
membership, (2) Challenge-the ability to undergo, endure and conquer physical
and mental circumstances well beyond ordinary, daily life, and (3)
Adventure-consistent with numbers 1 and 2 above, the opportunity to
participate directly or vicariously in exciting, demanding and potentially
dangerous activities. Service in the more "safe" military occupations-cooks,
accountants, administrators - must be viewed as valuable parts of the overall
combat team, or they become mere civilian employment.

A military calling finds its core in the warrior's spirit...the burning
desire to close with and kill your enemy, and to defeat his cause...all while
operating under a cloak of honor and national values. Any soldier, sailor,
airman or Marine excelling in his occupation, but eschewing this warrior
spirit, is merely a good, civilian employee in uniform. Camaraderie, the
ability to share this warrior's spirit with others undergoing substantially
identical experiences and challenges, is the glue holding the system
together.

Military pay must be present and sufficient to support the consistency of the
system, and to provide for an appropriate level of lifestyle for rank
attained. So long as fundamental fairness and ability to support oneself are
adequately maintained, attraction of pay is not a prime motivator to a
calling.

How to defeat a military system:

Encourage individuality in uniforms, haircuts, attitudes, decorum and speech
patterns.

Eliminate participation in physical fitness and traditional "macho" military
activities.

Affirm the notion that all military duties are merely civilia