Re: Building Your own Boot Disks
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > imo, everyone should compile their own kernel - the boot/rescue floppy > is good to install a system with, but a linux box really should have a > kernel compiled especially for itwith only the drivers that it needs > compiled in (or as modules), no more and no less. Often true, but it is better to use kernel-package which builds a Debian kernel-image package for this. One great reason is that you can build these packages on a machine that has all the tools and compiles fast. The resulting .deb file is easily installed with dpkg and will take care or making the hard disk boot the new kernel (while preserving the previous one) and creating a boot floppy. Manoj even helped me get a shell script going that will rebuild several custom kernels at a time. His kernel-package is a big help to me as I have several old machines that would take a few hours to build a kernel on. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Now shipping version 1.3.? + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Building Your own Boot Disks
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timm Gleason) > Now not wanting to go backward, especially due to the > major modifications done to the kernel we are using Is that the BESS Internet filter? I hope your product still lets you read the list, after the language we've been using on debian-user today :-) 15-20 a month and Debian in every one? Cool! If you're developing big changes to the kernel, please try to contribute them back into the main kernel source thread. > like to know if there is any definitive source of information on > building installation disks. The new system that loads base off of a > CD is great, but with the modified drivers and kernel, I need to know > more about these disks. Sure. You will need two packages: kernel-package and boot-floppies. Kernel-package provides the scripts to build a Debian package from your custom kernel and calling them from the command line is trivial. Boot-floppies provides the scripts to build the boot floppies, and you can easily modify that or just change the packages it installs. You will also need a complete copy of the Debian "stable" archive plus your modifications, and you will need to read the man page for dpkg-scanpackages (in the dpkg-dev package) so that you can add your own packages to the "Packages" file for your own archive, so that dpkg and dselect will work with it. Once you've done that, you can install the debian-cd package and generate your own bootable CDs with your custom kernel if you wish. Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Building Your own Boot Disks
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Timm Gleason wrote: > We build many, many Linux boxes (on order of 15 to 20 a month). We > just received some new disk sets for Debian 1.3.1. We have been using > 1.2 and kernel 2.0.30. The new disk set comes with the disk images > having 2.0.29. Now not wanting to go backward, especially due to the > major modifications done to the kernel we are using, I cannot build a > boot disk and drivers disk that will do a good install. up until a month or two ago, i was building about 5 debian boxes per month. I just used the boot disks to do the basic install, and then used dpkg to install my custom compiled kernel (made using kernel-package's make-kpkg command). the procedure went something like this: 1. boot install floppy. install base system, reboot, run dselect, etc. 2. ftp kernel-image-XXX_XXX.deb from another machine on my network. 3. if kernel image is same version as on the install boot/rescue disk then "rm -rf /lib/modules/X.X.X" 4. dpkg -i kernel-image-XXX_XXX.deb if my custom kernel is a different version to the one on the boot floppy (usually is), then i do the following as well: 5. make a /vmlinuz.old symlink pointing to the old kernel. 6. edit lilo.conf. 7. run "lilo -t && lilo". do this and you shouldn't need to mess about with making your own boot/rescue and drivers disks. imo, everyone should compile their own kernel - the boot/rescue floppy is good to install a system with, but a linux box really should have a kernel compiled especially for itwith only the drivers that it needs compiled in (or as modules), no more and no less. > The kernel, drivers and base all install fine, however, I cannot > specify which modules I wish to use. The installation of them fails. I > receive an error message as follows: > > "modprobe: error reading ELF header: no such file or directory" your modules.tgz may have the old (and now incompatible) *_MODULES text files in the /lib/modules/X.X.X directory. try: find /lib/modules -name "*_MODULES" if they are there, then delete them by typing: find /lib/modules -name "*_MODULES" | xargs rm if this solves the problem, then create a new modules.tgz based on this. craig -- craig sanders networking consultant Available for casual or contract temporary autonomous zone system administration tasks. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: A little consideration, please?
bruce wrote, > 2. Please don't start with the assumption that I am a corporate robber >baron whenever you argue about Debian policy. 2a) If you do make this assumption, please send him enough money to act like one. Say, Stanford's endowment . . . :) rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[problem][tetex][locate]
I installed tetex-{base,bin,extra} today. Running latex produces:
I can't find the default format file!
having searched for an hour through tetex documentation (and been very
confused by the concept of kpathsea), I find that this is either
texmf.cnf or latex.fmt (I can't figure out which). So:
1) locate texmf.cnf shows it in /etc/texmf/, but there are no files in
this directory according to "ls".
2) latex.fmt is in /usr/lib/texmf/web2c, but running kpathsea doesn't
find it. I might not be running it right, because I'm not really sure
what I'm doing.
Can someone help me get tetex configured?
Thanks in advance.
Will
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Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
> > They could have not followed anything past the guy that caused it. > > Now they can. > With all due respect, I think you have it backwards. Now, the > corporation protects not just those beyond the guy that caused the > problem. It even protects that particular guy. you are correct. However, were an individual programmer to incure liability (the only way I can think of off hand is by deliberately caused harm, such as sneaking in a disk eraser), the corporation won't protect that individual. It will, howver, protect the other developers, who could potentially face liability, or at least incur staggering defense costs. Generally, short of intentionally caused harm, I can't think of anything offhand that would lead to actual liability for unincorporated developers. However, the legal costs of being right aren't small. Given the incorporation, a suit against individual developers would probably be bounced, with sanctions & fees, quickly. Without, they might have to defend on the merits. rick, esq. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: interesting problem with libgbdm, libgbdmg, perl
On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:18:39 -0600 (MDT) , David Puryear wrote: > Hi all, > > When I do: > > :-> dpkg -i perl_5.004.02-1.deb libgdbmg1_1.7.3-21.deb > > dpkg: regarding perl_5.004.02-1.deb containing perl, pre-dependency problem: > perl pre-depends on libgdbmg1 > libgdbmg1 is not installed. > dpkg: error processing perl_5.004.02-1.deb (--install): > pre-dependency problem - not installing perl > dpkg: considering removing libgdbm1 in favour of libgdbmg1 ... > dpkg: no, cannot remove libgdbm1 (--auto-deconfigure will help): > perl pre-depends on libgdbm1 > libgdbm1 is to be removed. > dpkg: regarding libgdbmg1_1.7.3-21.deb containing libgdbmg1: > libgdbmg1 conflicts with libgdbm1 (<= 1.7.3-20) > libgdbm1 (version 1.7.3-19) is installed. > dpkg: error processing libgdbmg1_1.7.3-21.deb (--install): > conflicting packages - not installing libgdbmg1 > Errors were encountered while processing: > perl_5.004.02-1.deb > libgdbmg1_1.7.3-21.deb > > What is best way to get out of this loop? Do I need to force purge > libgdbm1 and install libgdbmg1? > > This setup is mostly 1.3.1 with lib6, lib6-dev, and supporting packages > needed to install them. You need to upgrade lidgdbm1 as well. The latest version in hamm is 1.7.3-22. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > From: Paul Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I suppose all 67 megs in bo-updates is being held there for some other > > reason? > > I had a phone conversation with Guy Maor. He says he'll make the release > next week. He says he has no problem with the version numbering scheme. > He was not waiting for me. He says he understands why someone would be > impatient with 67 megs sitting there, and says that bo-updates was only > a temporary solution and this should not be the usual state of our release > engineering. That's good to hear. Some of us vendors actually use Debian in our business operations so we benefit along with our customers. > > A substantial part of that 67MB is the X change for Richard Stallman. > XDM prints "Debian GNU/Linux" rather than "Debian Linux". All of X got > rebuilt to keep the release numbers consistent. I have no problem > accomodating Richard, but I don't need to rush this change to every last > user and make them spend money to get it, do I? As long as it doesn't print 'Microsoft' or 'Slackware', it doesn't bother me a bit. This is the type of change that I normally note on my 'busy list' of things to do before releasing the next needed upgrade. I usually upgrade packages for the bug fixes and new features. Inserting 'GNU/' in a constant is neither. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Now shipping version 1.3.? + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Building Your own Boot Disks
We build many, many Linux boxes (on order of 15 to 20 a month). We just received some new disk sets for Debian 1.3.1. We have been using 1.2 and kernel 2.0.30. The new disk set comes with the disk images having 2.0.29. Now not wanting to go backward, especially due to the major modifications done to the kernel we are using, I cannot build a boot disk and drivers disk that will do a good install. First, I have changed the kernel out on the 1.3.1 boot/rescue disk and ran rdev.sh on it. I replaced the sys_map.gz and edited the install.sh so that VERSION=2.0.30. I replace the modules.tgz on the drivers disk with a modules.tgz that contains an updated tulip driver and all other modules have been compiled under 2.0.30. In the past this is all that i have had to do to get the disks working, now with this new version of the Debian installer, I cannot get the modules to install. The kernel, drivers and base all install fine, however, I cannot specify which modules I wish to use. The installation of them fails. I receive an error message as follows: "modprobe: error reading ELF header: no such file or directory" While I have managed to klop something together that works, I would like to know if there is any definitive source of information on building installation disks. The new system that loads base off of a CD is great, but with the modified drivers and kernel, I need to know more about these disks. Timm Gleason Hardware Engineer N2H2, Inc. ** "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rich Cook ** Timm Gleason -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://n2h2.com/ N2H2, Creators of Bess -- 1301 Fifth Avenue, Suite 1501--Seattle, WA 98101 ** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Squid + ipfwadm redirect transparent problems
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Jose Maria Omo Millan wrote: > # Redirect to Squid proxy server > /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a acc -P tcp -D default/0 80 -r 8080 > > This rule really redirect http request of any PC to squid server, > but I ever get the following error: > > ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved > While trying to retrieve the URL: / > If you're using kernel 2.0.30, it has a bug where redirecting doesn't work. Try version 2.0.29. Rich. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Anarchy! Yes, Anarchy!
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Paul Serice wrote: > > Does Microsoft contribute to my personal autonomy? If so, I prefer > > anarchy. > > > Perhaps Microsoft does. Perhaps it doesn't. But, I'm almost certain > "Greenbush Technologies Corporation" does. ;-) > ^^^ There is nothing in my articles of incorporation that states a goal of contributing to the personal autonomy of others. If that is a side-effect of business operations, I hope the beneficiaries are only 'good guys'. If this is really a 'civilized' world, then I hope my little corporation contributes some anarchy to it. Autonomy is partly a matter of mind and attitude, anyway. You can achieve that with or without incorporating. The real reason I incorporated is that I like being called 'Mr. President'. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Now shipping version 1.3.? + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
shadow and nis
For the life of me I can not seem to get nis to work with shadow passwords. I can get each to work seperately, but not together. Can anyone with experience with using these two together please explain how to set it up properly? I'm stumped. Thanks in advance. Behan Webster -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Hi, I think while the current 1.3.1 was being created, there was an error, making 1.3.1 replace (instead of add a few packages to) 1.3. That, though regrettable, shall not be repeated. As to bug fixed in bo-updates, they have not yet been released, they are in the test phase, and as soon as the testing group has vetted them, they shall appear as 1.3 r2 (or something similar -- I am not the release master, nor am I involved in the testing/release process, so I could be in error). manoj not sure exactly what I'm explaining at the moment -- "The personal computer market is about the same size as the total potato chip market. Next year it will be about half the size of the pet food market and is fast approaching the total worldwide sales of pantyhose." James Finke, Pres., Commodore Int'l Ltd. (1982) Manoj Srivastava mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mobile, Alabama USAhttp://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
A little consideration, please?
Ladies and Gentlemen, I am going to drive tomorrow to Santa Cruz (from Berkeley) to participate in a meeting for Debian. I told you about the common ABI for all i386 Unix systems a week or so ago, and a lot of you thought it was a good idea. That's what it is about. I am driving about 100 (non-deductable) miles each way and am giving up one of my vacation days for this, just as I am giving up vacation days to speak at the IN Conference in Germany. I gave up vacation days to speak at Linux Expo, too. I put in a lot for Debian. In return, I would like you to: 1. Please don't use profanity on the newsgroups. 2. Please don't start with the assumption that I am a corporate robber baron whenever you argue about Debian policy. 3. Please try to accept that policy decisions have already been discussed by the people who do the work, and that we may have put some thought into this. We welcome your input, but please don't assume we are idiots. There is a limited time in which I can continue to put in this much work for Debian. Eventually, we'll decide to have a baby, and I will probably be too busy to be project leader. I would prefer to stay with the project in some capacity until that time. You can help by not being so difficult to deal with. Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
exmh problems; charset=us-ascii
I've tried to solve this from the faq, but it only hints at solutions. 1) exmh: Scanning for nested folders ... BgRegister X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command ignored The faq refers to recompiling over xauthority. I seriously doubt this is necessary (or, there would be different dependency requirements). I have the tk41 & tk42 packages installed on a stable 1.3 system. 2) getting data from a pop server. If I'm reading the faq right, I need to set up .xmhcheck. I have the following file: inbox /usr/spool/mail/hawk inbox pop-3.iastate.edu rhawkins and the .netrc file machine pop-3.iastate.edu login rhawkins password mypasswordhere inc gets the mail on this machine, but not the pop-3 mail. I'm sure i'm missing something obvious here . . . rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
From: Paul Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I suppose all 67 megs in bo-updates is being held there for some other > reason? I had a phone conversation with Guy Maor. He says he'll make the release next week. He says he has no problem with the version numbering scheme. He was not waiting for me. He says he understands why someone would be impatient with 67 megs sitting there, and says that bo-updates was only a temporary solution and this should not be the usual state of our release engineering. A substantial part of that 67MB is the X change for Richard Stallman. XDM prints "Debian GNU/Linux" rather than "Debian Linux". All of X got rebuilt to keep the release numbers consistent. I have no problem accomodating Richard, but I don't need to rush this change to every last user and make them spend money to get it, do I? Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Anarchy! Yes, Anarchy!
> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Paul Serice wrote: > > > Now for your anarchist side, when governments become overbearing they > > tend to nationalize -- meaning they take property away from > > corporations (and other private organizations or individuals) for the > > supposed general welfare. So, it is not difficult to see that > > freedom from intrusive government does not necessarily imply fewer > > corporations. As a matter of fact, strong and health corporations > > arguably contribute as much to your personal autonomy as any other > > > single factor. > > Does Microsoft contribute to my personal autonomy? If so, I prefer > anarchy. Perhaps Microsoft does. Perhaps it doesn't. But, I'm almost certain "Greenbush Technologies Corporation" does. ;-) ^^^ Paul Serice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
exmh troubles; charset=us-ascii
I'm trying to get exmh running, but am running into multiple troubles. The faw hints at solutions, but . . . 1) BgRegister X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command ignored the faq says that this is usually a problem with TK -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X installation calamity solved. Thank you!
> > Thanks to Joost Kooi for suggesting I could bypass my mis-installed > X installation by typing ``linux single'' at the LILO prompt. This > allowed me to delete some stuff and salvage my system. > > As a minor matter, typing ``linux emergency'' did not work. I was > able to get on. Even though I was supposedly root, however, I was told > that all my files were read-only, so I could not change. > >Anyway, thanks again! Hi, Let me just say that the day before yesterday I had almost exactly the same problem, and now I'll try to do this rescue procedure at home (where my linux is). But, I think it`d be interesting to describe what was my mistake: after following all the "how to update from an existing debian-1.2" instructions, I started dselect in a Xterm, and in the middle of the process dselect asked: "In order to upgrade to XFree3.3 I must stop X, so may I kill it?", and I answered, "Of course not!", and then, after dselect complained and finished his work, I wanted to restart dselect at the console, so I... EXITED FVWM2-95, which killed X, which in turn prompted XDM to restart it, and finaly this caused my monitor to start blinking... I was just wondering wether it was not a comom mistake which should be warned about. The instructions mentioned that one dselect run would be sufficient. OK, but then you must run text mode dselect. Thank you, Marco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Anarchy! Yes, Anarchy!
From: Paul Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I will be running a special on 1.3.whatever_it_really_is binary CD's > starting this weekend and continuing for at least one month. Longer if > that's what it takes to clean this up. I will make it cheaper to get a > 1.3.really_current binary CD than the 1.3.1 Official set. Details will be > up at http://www.greenbush.com/ by noon tomorrow. Of course you are welcome to do so. > Since then, the stable ftp archive has had at least 2 > changes which warrant a DEFINITE DISTINCTION from those CD sets. I agree. This is what the revision number should be for. This was a procedure mistake, and the fact that the archive manager was on a well-earned vacation probably contributed to it. > Why? Because Debian is going to great lengths to protect a few vendors > who made a bad decision and need to get rid of the 'dead horse' inventory. The problem is that _any_ decision to make a mass pressing of Debian is likely to give you remaining inventory if there is only one month of shelf life. Your analysis of cost is only valid if we do not package the CD with other stuff like a book. Like a _book_about_debian_. And we want that. > Maybe the people who bought those CD sets will start thinking they've been > fooled a bit and will hate Debian more than Microsoft. I don't think so. The FTP update is easy. If you want up-to-the-minute on your CD, buy from Paul Wade. We'll see who succeeds in the market. > Dave used some strong language because he is rightfully pissed off. Well, he'd be taken more seriously if he argued without the language. You too. > Those of us who actually organize CD images would be better > off if Debian would go back to the good old numbering scheme I'm the guy who got the complaints from all of those CDs other people organized. That's one reason I organize one now. Another reason is because I want those CDs to be a commodity, which makes them cheap and keeps any one CD manufacturer from making too much profit. > When I was asked if the 'Official CD' would hurt my business, I said it > wouldn't because of the revision frequency of Debian. I didn't expect this > new fuzzy numbering system to go along with it! Well, it has hurt my > business. But don't expect me to give up and go away. Well, it's nice to have you around, but I think you'd do best making CD-Rs of "unstable". I sincerely believe that the stable release has outgrown the CD-R market. Thanks Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Hi guys, I agree with donations and the incorporation. I've seen some messages in this thread that attributes to me some sentences I did not say, like this one: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : Dave> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: ^ : Dave> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive : Dave> cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you make your : Dave> books public Bruce? I did not write that :-) E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
It sounds so good, but where is the clear admission that the 1.3.1 on ftp is not the same as the CD? It should be at least 1.3.1 r2 by now. The consumer should be able to quickly visit ftp.debian.org before he hands money to a retailer for a product. Expecting a software buyer not to do that is tantamount to calling him an idiot. On 21 Aug 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > For those who care, the old scheme was to have revisions > called 2.0.1 etc, the new scheme calles them revisions. > old new > === === > 2.0.02.0 > 2.0.12.0 r1 > 2.0.22.0 r2 > > There are no fewer release. All releases are numbered (with > revisions, not point versions). Technically, the two schemes are the > same. Mr Cinege has escalated a percived, non-technical difference > into a jihad. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Now shipping version 1.3.? + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Expelling David Cinege from the list
>On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT), Dave Cinege wrote: > >>> Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. >>> >>Resorting to vulgarities on a public mailing list should get you bounced >>from the list. Like Behan said, grow up. > >Then fuck you too. Bounce me. Weld you're power to stifle my 'bad' speech. >Dare you use your filter instead. and in another post to the list: > >There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept quite. There was no ^ >good reason to put out an 'Official' cd (which hurt a lot of our CD-R guys), >and I kept quite. Now for the most pethtic reason, the entire version control ^ ^^^ >system (and quality of product, both perceived and actual) is at stake. Now I'm >ventting my shit with full force. I see where this is leading. I say we bump him not only to "stifle his bad speech," as he put it, but also for his bad *spelling*. This type of spelling reflects poorly on the entire Debian community. At a time when Debian and the Linux community as a whole is doing such a great job of promoting the idea of free software, this could cast a serious pall over the whole movement. Can people really expect quality software from people who can't even spell simple English words like "wield," "quiet," "pathetic" and "venting?" Imagine the arguments from the Windows NT and commercial Unix vendors: "No wonder they insist on free software. They obviously didn't receive the type of education that would allow them to get jobs which provided the income neccessary to *purchase* software. Do you *really* want an operating system developed by people like *this* to control your mission-critical computing needs, Mr. Computer User?" Expanding on his own argument that having Debian incorporate will hurt the distribution, I agree fully that having an actual organization with liability for stabilizing releases can only hurt. I mean, who the hell is going to trust a distribution that comes from an actual organized entity rather than some collection of nameless developers? Not me! And as far as paying goes, great free software is our (users') birthright. If the debian developers want to go down in OS history, THEY SHOULD BEAR THE ENTIRE COSTS OF THE DISTRIBUTION AND LIKE IT! Fame and immortality come at a high price (some might even say they are priceless). However, I am much more concerned about the impact that bad spelling will have on the distribution. Swearing will intimidate Debian's rivals, and should be promoted wholeheartedly! But poor spelling will simply give them more ammo against non-commercial software, and that's something we can't afford. Now that we are done discussing these weighty matters that profoundly affect the average Linux user, can we have a little lighter subject matter? A little comedy relief like helping users solve technical problems and get up and running? Dave -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
> >The government has always been involved. In general though, it is > > With the developers and servers in Germany? nl? The presence of developers and servers in Germany does not limit the ability of the American legal system to reach the developers in the U.S. So, yes, despite developers in Germany, the government is, and always has been, involved. Think of the loop-hole if all you had to do was set up an office in Germany to avoid U.S. jurisdiction over persons and things in the U.S. This is such an obvious response, I fear I'm missing your point though. > >state law, not federal, that controls, and (if I remember > >correctly) most states impose personal liability (as in they come > >and take away your house and car) for unorganized groups such as > >Debian was. > > They could have not followed anything past the guy that caused it. > Now they can. With all due respect, I think you have it backwards. Now, the corporation protects not just those beyond the guy that caused the problem. It even protects that particular guy. Before though, in most states at least, anyone wronged by the unincorporated organization could have followed anything past the guy that caused it to all the other members. The other members only recourse would be against the guy who caused it; however, the members would still be liable directly to the injured party. That's the way it works, and that's the way it should work. A group of people cannot avoid liability by refusing to incorporate, and as soon as the group does incorporate, the law kicks in and makes certain requirements of the corporation, e.g., that it not be undercapitalized, for the benefit of third parties who deal with the entity. Paul Serice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > Why change the version numbering scheme? It is a small change, it makes > sense for marketing reasons, it is easy to do, and there was no reason not > to do it. We're not holding up releases because of it. I suppose all 67 megs in bo-updates is being held there for some other reason? Look at my signature. This is very frustrating. +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Now shipping version 1.3.? + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Hi, This is a silly argument. And the person conducting the other end has managed to annoy a number of people who actually contribute to the project, and hasd decended to profanity, so this is my last word on the matter. For those who care, the old scheme was to have revisions called 2.0.1 etc, the new scheme calles them revisions. old new === === 2.0.02.0 2.0.12.0 r1 2.0.22.0 r2 There are no fewer release. All releases are numbered (with revisions, not point versions). Technically, the two schemes are the same. Mr Cinege has escalated a percived, non-technical difference into a jihad. Feel free to skip the rest, it is an lost attempt to answer what Mr Cinege feels are points. manoj >>"Dave" == Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dave> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: >> One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could >> be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 >> status with the US IRS first. Dave> Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in Dave> the USA. None. Maybe we should try incorporating in multiple countries. Hmm. That's a thought. Dave> How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Heck, why create an upper limit? Dave> Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp Dave> bandwidth they donate? Hell no... If the company decided to donate bandwidth for goodwill reasons, who's to stop 'em? If you don't see the need, do you think there isn't one (Hah!). Many other did. do. We even voted on this. Guess what? We want to incorporate. Dave> Who? I've been reading this list long before the the notice of Dave> incorpoation came through. I never saw any discussion about Dave> it. Excuse me if I missed it, but I never remember seeing a Dave> single post asking if it was OK if a few guys in the group Dave> became 'Debian' The people who contribute to Debian, the developers, decided. It is not discussed on the users group. It is discussed on the developers list, or, possibly, on the developers private list. You want to contribute to the decision process, join Debian. Contribute! (Ever read Starship troopers?) >If you feel these changes make it impossible for you to use Debian, >we're sorry, but it looks like the time has come for you to move to >another distribution or start your own or whatever. Dave> I just spoke with someone today about this, and he said it looks Dave> like this crap might just do that. Best of luck. Dave> I've said it ten times. Politics are starting to come into play Dave> over the technical aspects of the distribution. I think you exaggerate. Dave> Jeez I guess I set my expectations too high, looking for an OS Dave> that doesn't have 15 different revs per minor number. Was the Dave> bug fix in the 1,3 R2 that was relases this week or the 1.3 R2 Dave> that was released last week? Oh well, who cares Oh, for gods sake, what is the technical difference between 1.3.1 and 1.3 r1? *gngngngn*. Technically, the two nomenclature schemes are the same. Are we slowing point releases? we are not. Are we stopping release numbering? we are not. We just call them revisions, not point versions. What difference does that make? Dave> If it is furthered it will either destroy the project or break Dave> it up. There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept Dave> quite. No reason you could see. We, the people who are Debian, beg to differ. Dave> There was no good reason to put out an 'Official' cd Dave> (which hurt a lot of our CD-R guys), and I kept quite. The CD-R guys (whoever they are) could use the scripts for the official CD just as anyone else. (Note I say nothing of people making money from the hours I spend hunched over my machine in wee hours of the night, toiling for the good of the world, and getting not an ioto of money for it). Dave> Now for the most pethtic reason, the entire version control Dave> system (and quality of product, both perceived and actual) is at Dave> stake. Now I'm ventting my shit with full force. I see where Dave> this is leading. Your perception of the quality of you offering is surprisingly accurate. >Personally, I'm glad to see Debian become a little more organized >and getting incorporated. Dave> They didn't need to get incorpoated to become more Dave> orginized. The United States or any one of them has no interest Dave> in our international communal project. Umm. I like governments. I am no good as a hunter-gatherer. How come Debian is ``your'' communal project, when most of the people who actually contribute to Debian do not agree with you? >It means that Debian can start paying it's >own bills instead of people like Bruce going out of pocket to pay >for
Re: incorporation
This thread seems to have taken a critical tone that is a bit inappropriate, certainly from a legal standpoint. As a lawyer, I would strongly recommend that those active in the debian organization incorporate as a non-profit corporation. It is is not true to say that by incorporating you have improperly expanded anyone's potential liability. And as I believe Bruce pointed out, it is an advantage, once incorporated, to request 501(c)(3) status, because then anyone donating money or time to the entity can claim a charitable deduction without question. As for persons who have volunteered their efforts to the debian goal, certainly incorporation has not worsened their situation. -- Gary -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Anarchy! Yes, Anarchy!
Long live anarchy! Long live the Revolution and the Counter-Revolution! Long live the Dedicated Diehard Debianist! I will be running a special on 1.3.whatever_it_really_is binary CD's starting this weekend and continuing for at least one month. Longer if that's what it takes to clean this up. I will make it cheaper to get a 1.3.really_current binary CD than the 1.3.1 Official set. Details will be up at http://www.greenbush.com/ by noon tomorrow. On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Paul Serice wrote: > Now for your anarchist side, when governments become overbearing they > tend to nationalize -- meaning they take property away from > corporations (and other private organizations or individuals) for the > supposed general welfare. So, it is not difficult to see that > freedom from intrusive government does not necessarily imply fewer > corporations. As a matter of fact, strong and health corporations > arguably contribute as much to your personal autonomy as any other > single factor. Does Microsoft contribute to my personal autonomy? If so, I prefer anarchy. Linux is revolutionary in nature. What if Linus had decided instead to develop something that required Windows or SCO Unix? I notice that the people behind Debian like to avoid dependencies on commercial products. It is a reality that many users could not create their first rescue floppy without MS-DOS, but we have to live with it because we don't want to be such 'purists' that we have to ship floppies to get people started. Imitating the large software company is anethema to the philosophies of dedicated Linux enthusiasts. The honest thing to do is let the consumer know exactly what he is getting. The 1.3.1 Official CD files are timestamped July 7. Since then, the stable ftp archive has had at least 2 changes which warrant a DEFINITE DISTINCTION from those CD sets. Those 2 changes were the replacement of disks/current. Since these are the images that install the base, the change is not trivial. Otherwise they would be in a testing or incoming directory. They were installed into stable to fix bugs or add features, I assume. Therefore, the ftp archive should CLEARLY differentiate itself from the 1.3.1 that was pressed onto so many discs that the foolish vendors now need to unload. So call it 1.3.3 or 1.3.1R3 or whatever, but make it obvious. If you don't do that you will need a corporation to protect the developers from personal liability. Why? Because Debian is going to great lengths to protect a few vendors who made a bad decision and need to get rid of the 'dead horse' inventory. When that is done it will it be okay to move things from bo-updates to bo and change the symlink to 1.3.2? Maybe the people who bought those CD sets will start thinking they've been fooled a bit and will hate Debian more than Microsoft. Dave used some strong language because he is rightfully pissed off. Now let me say this as a vendor of freshly recorded (1.3.?) Debian CD-R products: F___ the CD vendors. All of them including myself. If I wanted to just duplicate a CD image, I would copy a Slackware or Redhat CD and actually make a profit. Those of us who actually organize CD images would be better off if Debian would go back to the good old numbering scheme and concentrate on the concept of painless upgrading. That way people who found an old 1.1.x CD could pop in one of our 1.3.999 discs and upgrade their system without a lot of hassles. I say increment the release numbers. I doubt that the vendors who are still stuck with 1.3.1 inventory will decide to press the next release whenever it comes out. If there is a need (and a market) for cheap Debian CD's let me be honest enough to tell everyone the costs: 1000 CD-ROM's $750 Paper sleeves 5 cents Sturdy mailer 20 cents So it costs about $1.80 for a binary/source set with 2 colors printed on the discs. It costs another 78 cents to mail them to US customers. Grand total of $2.58. These vendors are charging $8.99 with shipping and handling and they need protection? I suppose the rationale is that they are paying good wages to the people who put the discs in the sleeves and seal the mailer. I preferred it before when it went from 1.2 to 1.2.18 in about 7 months. I mean the upgrades were free, right? Look at it this way: if you had to pay $50.00 per upgrade to a commercial OS that would be a $900.00 value! When I was asked if the 'Official CD' would hurt my business, I said it wouldn't because of the revision frequency of Debian. I didn't expect this new fuzzy numbering system to go along with it! Well, it has hurt my business. But don't expect me to give up and go away. Oh, I almost forgot. F___ Microsoft, too! Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
> (anyone else thinking of Natasha and Boris?). I was thinking of Ren and Stimpy, or maybe Itchy and Scratchy :-) Lots of people were calling for us to "get real" rather than just be a "toy distribution". A few people resent the baggage that comes with that. The solipsist craves a world with no laws, taxes, or marketing. Others eventually accept these things as the price of working with a world of people. Sure, we can have a distribution with no users, but that would be a kind of intellectual masturbation, wouldn't it? I prefer the real thing. Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problems with Debian install... (fwd)
Anyone got help for this guy? -- Brian S. Julin -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:54:25 +0300 From: Tomi Yli-Nokari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problems with Debian install... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > : Tomi Yli-Nokari wrote: > > : > I have DTK 486/50 machine with 16 megs of RAM and 2x200 meg HDs. I have > : > tried to install Slackware to that machine and install stops to text: > : > 'Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 49152K size'. I asked about > : > that, and they wanted me to change distribution to RedHat/Debian. I > : > decided to take Debian... Now at install, I get that Ramdisk-message, > : > but after that comes: 'loop: registered device at major 7'. What's that? > : > And what could I do for that? > The next thing that is supposed to happen in a Debian kernel boot > is it is supposed to look at your hard drives and see how many/what > kind they are. So if you can tell us what kind of HDs you have and what kind > of HD controller, we may be able to help. HD controller is default (GoldStar GW2760[PX] (?)). HDs (two) are Conner CP30204 (?) with about 210 megs capacity of each. I'm not sure about them, but I think they're right... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: incorporation
From: Rick Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2) It has nothing to do with the US government. States grant corporate > charters, not the feds (Although there are a handful of federally > chartered corporations: Postal Service, Sallie Mae, etc.). However the 501(c)3 comes from IRS and applies to your federal, not state, taxes. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
writing off the value of services donated
Dave Cinege: > Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth > they donate? Yes, you can deduct the value of services donated to a 501(c)3 non-profit from your income for tax purposes. Not just FTP bandwidth, all sorts of services. If you do your personal taxes on the long form, there's a place to fill in "charitable mileage". Drive somewhere to work for Debian? Write it off. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [X] why does X kill my modem?
In your email to me, Bob Billson, you wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, I wrote: > >ttyS0 and ttyS3 are IRQ 3 > >ttyS2 and ttyS4 are IRQ 4 > > I *meant* to type: > > ttyS0 and ttyS2 are IRQ 3 > ttyS1 and ttyS3 are IRQ 4 This *will* be the problem. You have 2 sets of hardware sitting on the same irqs. This will cause confusion. With standard serial ports, this will never work reliably. Can you set any of the ports to another irq? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Gee, calm down a bit please, Dave. Where has the money gone? So far, it's mostly been into the bootstrap expenses of a non-profit. This was something like $400 for incorporation, and $2000 for the IRS 501(c)3. Once the 501(c)3 is completed, U.S. citizens who donate to Debian can write off their donation (that means if you have a 33% tax bracket you get 33 cents back on the dollar). People who travel for Debian can write off their mileage and travel expenses. Once the 501(c)3 is over, the money will go to supporting free software, sending people to trade shows to talk about Debian and Linux, etc. Tim Sailer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is the treasurer. Why a non-profit corporation? I have a house and some Pixar stock. Suppose I get sued over Debian: Before the corporation, I could have lost the house and the Pixar stock. Putting Valerie and any kids we might have on the street for Debian is more than I'd like to do. With the corporation, it's the corporation that gets sued and its assets that are at stake, not mine. This applies to all of the Debian developers, many of whom have a lot to lose. I could not in good faith leave them exposed to that liability. Note that FSF is the same kind of corporation, a non-profit with a 501(c)3. Who paid for stuff before we started collecting donations? Me. I don't have any more money for that, sorry. Why is there an Official CD? To get Debian into more users hands. It's working _very_ well so far. It did cut down on the business of a few CD-R people, but CD-R is for small distribution runs and we were trying to make some big distribution runs. Note also that we are not forcing anyone to use the Official CD. You can make any kind of CD you want as long as you comply with the software licenses. Why change the version numbering scheme? It is a small change, it makes sense for marketing reasons, it is easy to do, and there was no reason not to do it. We're not holding up releases because of it. Should our having a corporation drive people away from Debian? I don't see why. FSF and Linux International have corporations. It's not like we're trying to be microsoft or something. We are trying to operate like any large non-profit organization. Do you want to do something differently? That's fine with us. You are welcome to derive from Debian and make an FTP-only distribution, etc. Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: POV-ray?
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Greg Vence wrote:
>Does anyone who uses POV know why I cann't see http://www.pov.org/ ?
Try www.povray.org, instead.
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Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote > Rev each change and I'm happy enough to be quite. This is the only reason I > started yelling, I still feel it is a good one. Yes, well, I'm suggesting you should shut up regardless. Mike. -- Don't touch that! It's the History Eraser Button -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > It's not about .1 R1, or Asub1, to the 2nd power of 4. > It's about something that is frozen, actully staying frozen. > If the disc says 1.3.1, I should be able crccheck the whole damn thing > against the > master 1.3.1 dist, and have it come up clean. > > Right NOW you can't even do that, Not true! 1.3.1 is a fixed object, available as an "Official" image. It hasn't changed since its release, and, to the best of my knowledge, will not ever change. and according to what bruce posted it is going > to get worse, for the benefit of some cd makers. I don't see anything getting worse! Each revision will be properly noted. We aren't doing this for the benefit of CD makers. This is for the benefit of the end user (remember them?) who needs to be able to go to a local retailer and purchase the Debian distribution. If the CD manufacturer is forced to loose his shirt every time he tries to distribute this product, he is not likely to try again, and others who might have tried will be discouraged from the attempt. I we truely want Debian to be a benefit to as many people as possible, we can't continue to treat this product as our personal property only useful to some 200 developers and a few hundred users. Success is to be measured by how many people can get access to our product. As much as we may dislike having such discussions, marketing issues must be addressed if this goal is to be met. Technical excellence is not the only requirement for a marketable product. (look at M$ products if you are unconvinced) Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
debian on compaq
Just a reminder, I was having a hard time getting Debian to install on my Compaq. Got lots of help from this list. In case I forgot anyone, please forgive me. I would like to thank Brandon Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for pointing out that my cdrom was actually /dev/hdc so I was able to mount it to get the binaries for dselect. The dmesg trick was pretty cool, thanks to the dude that showed me that one ( he originally had more | dmesg but I was able to figure it out eventually ). I do in fact have the compaq bios problem and what I need to get around it - thanks to Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for that. Also [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nico De Ranter) for telling me that I was not crazy for not being able to get the network adapter to work. Hopefully I got everyone, and once I get the netork adapter I'll be able to move my code over and then I'll really start causing trouble :) Thanks again, Alfonso. -- Alfonso E. Urdaneta VOX: 407.729.3840 Harris Corp/Transcomm Division FAX: 407.729.1962 PO Box 5100, MS 6B.3827mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Melbourne, FL 32902.5100 http://www.transcomm.ess.harris.com The Harris Corporation agrees with everything I say. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
POV-ray?
Hello, Does anyone who uses POV know why I cann't see http://www.pov.org/ ? Can you see it or not? Thanx -- Greg. -- What do you want to spend today? Debian GNU/Linux (Free for an UNLIMITED time) http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html Greg VenceKH2EA/4 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:52:36 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: >> The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still >> beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The >> project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all over the >> world. Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have >> no idea. Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government >> privedged entiy? It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we >> suddenly need permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of >> the other anarchists here are also wondering about these things > > >The government has always been involved. In general though, it is With the developers and servers in Germany? nl? >state law, not federal, that controls, and (if I remember correctly) >most states impose personal liability (as in they come and take away >your house and car) for unorganized groups such as Debian was. They could have not followed anything past the guy that caused it. Now they can. >Now for your anarchist side, when governments become overbearing they As ours has. >tend to nationalize -- As ours has. > meaning they take property away from >corporations (and other private organizations or individuals) for the >supposed general welfare. As ours does. >So, it is not difficult to see that >freedom from intrusive government does not necessarily imply fewer >corporations. A corporation is a creatation of the state. For the most part it is an extension of government. A well behaved corp is never punished. > As a matter of fact, strong and health corporations >arguably contribute as much to your personal autonomy as any other >single factor. I highly doubt this. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [X] why does X kill my modem?
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, I wrote:
>ttyS0 and ttyS3 are IRQ 3
>ttyS2 and ttyS4 are IRQ 4
I *meant* to type:
ttyS0 and ttyS2 are IRQ 3
ttyS1 and ttyS3 are IRQ 4
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Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:44:11 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote >>On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote I don't see the need. >>>Well, many others did. And many others agreed with the other changes >>>you disagree with. These decisions have been made. The time for >>>discussion is _over_, unless you've got something more substantial >>>than the pot-shots you've been taking so far. >>Who? > >The Debian developers---the people who *are* Debian. And if you doubt >that for a moment, consider the two questions and their answers: Oh boy...is this going in a circle... >So, discussions of technical and/or organizational details take place >on the debian-devel list, where the developers are. We actively >solicit the input of users, and try really hard to accomodate users' >needs, but, in the end, the developers make the decision. So this new revision scheme was agreed upon on the devl list? It was suggested, discussed and decided on the devel list? That's not how it was convaded to me. >There was a good reason for forming a corporation---removing legal >liability of the developers. As one of those developers, I would have >been sincerely pissed if I'd found myself a defendent in court over a >matter pertaining to Debian. It does no such thing. Are you an officier? Employee? Even formally subconctrated? Guess you ain't covered then. >As for an official CD, which are you referring to, exactly? Now, >Debian creates a CD image that anyone is welcome to use. That was >done to try and insure that people who bought CDs from vendors not >intimately connected with Debian could have a reasonable chance of >getting a working set. It had to do with seeing that our name wasn't >mud because of mistakes that weren't our own---I suppose you could >call that political. I call it sensitivity to users needs. These official CD's where pushed as masters to CD makers. Low and behold by the time the order of 1.3 CDs comes in 1.3.1 is out. The cd makers are pissed, and now the whole way the version control will be done in the project is to make the Official CD a more viable product for deb.org to sell to high volume repers. THAT is political. >As far as the issue of release naming, well, I don't feel strongly >about it. > >But I will point out that this is an all volunteer project, and as the >people who badgered David Miller about a 2.0.31 kernel found out, >"venting your shit will full force" is most likely to get the >developers---the ones doing the actual work of making the >distribution---to quit bothering to do work for you. > >So why don't you either put up or shut up? Rev each change and I'm happy enough to be quite. This is the only reason I started yelling, I still feel it is a good one. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: adduser and user names containing 8 bits chars
> > Hi, > > i'm using the latest adduser package from bo-updates and i found that > it does not accept user names containing 8 bits chars. I'm talking > about a user's full name (first name + family name), not short name > (login name or home directory name). I don't know if such names are > supposed to be valid, so i'm asking here before reporting it as a bug. Did you try do use "--force-badname" as an option to adduser? > However such names are very frequent in some countries including > France. Moreover other programs reading /etc/passwd (for instance > finger) support 8 bits chars, once the file is edited. > > What do you think ? > > -- > Laurent. > That's all I know about adduser 8-bit characters... Please let me know if it's another kind of problem. Daniel. __ Daniel Doro Ferranteemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cecm.usp.br/~danieldf CECM - Curso Experimental de Ciencias Moleculares - USP Experimental Course of Molecular Sciences - University of Sao Paulo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: help - 1.3 upgrade killed XFree86
Kenneth Gaugler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yesterday I used the dselect/ftp method to upgrade my machine from > Debian Linux 1.2 to > 1.3. The system is now running 1.3, but X doesn't work anymore. > > Normally I have xdm starting at boot time; now the screen never comes up > but the relays inside the monitor click about every second and there is > a flash on the screen. I assumed something changed in the S3 driver (I > am using Stealth64/DRAM). I disabled xdm at startup and did a > > "startx > /tmp/x.out 2>&1" > > to capture the error messages at startup and came up with some things I > have never seen before, like > > "error opening security policy file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy" You should check if this file exits. If not, reinstall at least the xbase package (I currently have 3.3-3 installed). It seems as xbase has not been installed correctly. This file is part of the package. Torsten -- "What a depressingly stupid machine" The Restaurant at the End of the Universe PGP Public Key is available -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [X] why does X kill my modem?
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Tim Sailer wrote:
>What IRQs are you using for all these? If you are sharing 3 and 4 between
>3 devices, that could be the problem.
ttyS0 and ttyS3 are IRQ 3
ttyS2 and ttyS4 are IRQ 4
I keep the modem (on ttyS4) separate from the mouse (on ttyS0) to avoid
conflicts.
The X10 controller on ttyS3 should not be a problem. It uses a software
UART. It *never* sends anything on its own. It only sends something in
response to a query from my machine. That only happens once a week in the
early morning hours to sync the controller's clock. It also happens
occasionally to update the controller to adjust for seasonal changes.
All this works fine when X is not running. This is why I'm puzzled to
what X is changing.
Any other ideas?
Bob
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Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:05:09 +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: >> >On top of that, not everyone can donate time or resourses, but they can >> >contribute money. >> >> To who? Am I a part of Debian.org? Do I have a vote.even if I maintain >> 50 >> packages?? > >Do you maintain even one? No, but I am leading a project that uses Debian as it's base and will be finalzed in 5+ packages. Somebody out there that does maintain alot of packages...Where you asked? >About your other points: not worth to reply. Thank you for sparing me yours. >If you really need your own way, append a .1 with a black marker on all >version numbers on screen. It's not about .1 R1, or Asub1, to the 2nd power of 4. It's about something that is frozen, actully staying frozen. If the disc says 1.3.1, I should be able crccheck the whole damn thing against the master 1.3.1 dist, and have it come up clean. Right NOW you can't even do that, and according to what bruce posted it is going to get worse, for the benefit of some cd makers. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On 21 Aug 1997 13:23:32 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >Hi, >>>"Dave" == Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Dave> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > > >Dave> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive >Dave> cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you make your >Dave> books public Bruce? > > Personally, I think a less confrontational tone would be more > appropriate. You think that the domain registration is free? No, I know it isn't as I pay for my own. >Do you > think that the project can depend on all the machines on our ftp > sites to be donated? Yes. It has to. >That the Linux organizations all have no fee? No. We have redhat, and caldera, and other distributions that are not. > If I were to take as confrontaional a view as you have, I > might point out that as far I can see, you have made no contribution > to the project beyond griping, (and *possibly* a _voluntary_ > contribution); IMHO, the least you can do is be polite. However, I > shall not descend into those depths. > > Do you have any basis for the implication that Bruce is doing > things underhandedly with the money? I never meant to insinuate Bruce is doing something underhanded, just that ther are no real expences to speak of past what they are *additionally* creating for themselves. If you want to go ahead and put a number on FTP access you could. If that had to be bought out right, the project would collapse instantly. Enough money to buy it could not realisticly be raised. Ever. >Dave> The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is >Dave> still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. > > I am sorry that you do not like it. However, the project can't > be all things to all people. My native friends tell me that the > appropriate reaction it ``tough''. Jeez I guess I set my expectations too high, looking for an OS that doesn't have 15 different revs per minor number. Was the bug fix in the 1,3 R2 that was relases this week or the 1.3 R2 that was released last week? Oh well, who cares >Dave> Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have no >Dave> idea. > > The government is invlved minimally, I think. A private > company can accept money and pay bills (I think it is very miserly > for people to want everything for FREE, but expect the volunteers to > pay for the project). It may also apply for a tax exepmt status > (which means that the project means to be non-profitable) What bills? Is there a Debian hot line? 800-call-debian? >Dave> Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government privedged >Dave> entiy? > > Get real. That's what a corporation is; a fictitous person. Get a law book. >Dave> It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we suddenly need >Dave> permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of the other >Dave> anarchists here are also wondering about these things > > You are perfectly free to start your own distribution of > Linux, It's looks like maybe Bruce already has - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
adduser and user names containing 8 bits chars
Hi, i'm using the latest adduser package from bo-updates and i found that it does not accept user names containing 8 bits chars. I'm talking about a user's full name (first name + family name), not short name (login name or home directory name). I don't know if such names are supposed to be valid, so i'm asking here before reporting it as a bug. However such names are very frequent in some countries including France. Moreover other programs reading /etc/passwd (for instance finger) support 8 bits chars, once the file is edited. What do you think ? -- Laurent. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
> The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still > beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The > project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all over the > world. Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have > no idea. Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government > privedged entiy? It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we > suddenly need permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of > the other anarchists here are also wondering about these things The government has always been involved. In general though, it is state law, not federal, that controls, and (if I remember correctly) most states impose personal liability (as in they come and take away your house and car) for unorganized groups such as Debian was. The personal liability would not have stopped at Bruce either, and theoretically could have extend to those who whine about version numbers. ;-) Now for your anarchist side, when governments become overbearing they tend to nationalize -- meaning they take property away from corporations (and other private organizations or individuals) for the supposed general welfare. So, it is not difficult to see that freedom from intrusive government does not necessarily imply fewer corporations. As a matter of fact, strong and health corporations arguably contribute as much to your personal autonomy as any other single factor. Paul Serice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
The discussion is funny but inappropriate, but I think this is just what Dave wanted. However: On Aug 21, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Dave" == Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > You are perfectly free to start your own distribution of > Linux, you and all other ``anarchists'' Hey, you can even base your Distribution on Debian 1.3.1 revision 2! And donate your income tax-reductable to Debian. > (anyone else thinking of > Natasha and Boris?). Nobody is taking your precious little OS from you ^ Please Manoj, you can do better (but I don't worry :-) Marcus -- "Rhubarb is no Egyptian god." Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote >On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote >>>I don't see the need. >>Well, many others did. And many others agreed with the other changes >>you disagree with. These decisions have been made. The time for >>discussion is _over_, unless you've got something more substantial >>than the pot-shots you've been taking so far. >Who? The Debian developers---the people who *are* Debian. And if you doubt that for a moment, consider the two questions and their answers: Q: Can the developers develop the distribution without any users? A: Sure. It's stupid, but it can certainly be done. Q: Can the users use the distribution without the developers? A: No, because without developers no distribution exists. >I've been reading this list long before the the notice of >incorpoation came through. I never saw any discussion about >it. Excuse me if I missed it, but I never remember seeing a single >post asking if it was OK if a few guys in the group became 'Debian' I'm sorry, you seem to have some rather unusual ideas about how Debian is structured. The developers are Debian. The developers are the ones who put in a majority of the work (though I'll gladly admit that there are numerous users who devote a heck of a lot of time helping others, thanks guys), and in return for that work, they get the privelege of helping make decisions regarding the technical and organizational direction of the project as a whole. (Some might suggest that this is like rewarding people for good customer service by subjecting them to electroshock therapy, but it's the best we've come up with.) So, discussions of technical and/or organizational details take place on the debian-devel list, where the developers are. We actively solicit the input of users, and try really hard to accomodate users' needs, but, in the end, the developers make the decision. If you would like to directly participate in this process, I suggest you consider expending some effort and earning the privelege. Then you will have a full-fledged voice in the process. >>If you feel these changes make it impossible for you to use Debian, >>we're sorry, but it looks like the time has come for you to move to >>another distribution or start your own or whatever. >I just spoke with someone today about this, and he said it looks >like this crap might just do that. Sorry. Tough. Happens. > There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept > quite. There was no good reason to put out an 'Official' cd (which > hurt a lot of our CD-R guys), and I kept quite. Now for the most > pethtic reason, the entire version control system (and quality of > product, both perceived and actual) is at stake. Now I'm ventting my > shit with full force. I see where this is leading. There was a good reason for forming a corporation---removing legal liability of the developers. As one of those developers, I would have been sincerely pissed if I'd found myself a defendent in court over a matter pertaining to Debian. As for an official CD, which are you referring to, exactly? Now, Debian creates a CD image that anyone is welcome to use. That was done to try and insure that people who bought CDs from vendors not intimately connected with Debian could have a reasonable chance of getting a working set. It had to do with seeing that our name wasn't mud because of mistakes that weren't our own---I suppose you could call that political. I call it sensitivity to users needs. As far as the issue of release naming, well, I don't feel strongly about it. But I will point out that this is an all volunteer project, and as the people who badgered David Miller about a 2.0.31 kernel found out, "venting your shit will full force" is most likely to get the developers---the ones doing the actual work of making the distribution---to quit bothering to do work for you. So why don't you either put up or shut up? Mike. -- Don't touch that! It's the History Eraser Button -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote: > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: > > >Dave Cinege wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > >> > > >On top of that, not everyone can donate time or resourses, but they can > >contribute money. > > To who? Am I a part of Debian.org? Do I have a vote.even if I maintain 50 > packages?? Do you maintain even one? About your other points: not worth to reply. If you really need your own way, append a .1 with a black marker on all version numbers on screen. Marcus -- "Rhubarb is no Egyptian god." Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How do I create a rescue disk?
Hi, I think that the boot-floppies package is used to create the rescues disk (as well as the other, root, boot, and base floppy disks). It may not be very user friendly (the description says used by advanced debian people). manoj -- Seven years of college, down the drain. John Blutarski Manoj Srivastava mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mobile, Alabama USAhttp://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
cfengine question?
Hi,
Would some please show me what is wrong with the following
cfengine that is sent to my 'root' every day:
--8< ---
cfengine:/etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf:53: parse error
cfengine::Execution terminated after parsing due to errors in program
--8< ---
Here is my /etc/cfengine.cf:
--8< ---
#! /usr/bin/cfengine -f
control:
access = ( root )
domain = ( mycompany.com )
netmask = ( 255.255.255.0 )
timezone= ( CDT )
mountpattern= ( / )
homepattern = ( home* )
sysadm = ( root )
editfilesize= ( 4192 )
adminfiles = ( /etc/cfengine )
repository = ( /var/backups/cfengine )
actionsequence = (
checktimezone
# editfiles
# copy
# tidy
# shellcommands
# links
)
broadcast:
ones
links:
linux::
/dev/core -> /proc/kcore
tidy:
Monday::
/ pattern=*..cfsaved recurse=inf age=7
/ pattern=*~ recurse=inf age=7
/ pattern=#* recurse=inf age=7
/ pattern=corerecurse=inf age=1
shellcommands:
disable:
/etc/hosts.equiv
/etc/nologin
editfiles:
{ /etc/init.d/boot
SetCommentStart "#"
SetCommentEnd ""
WarnIfNoLineMatching'[#]*echo -n "Cleaning up /tmp... "'
LocateLineMatching '^echo -n "Cleaning up /tmp...
"'
CommentToLineMatching 'echo "done."'
}
# local variables:
# tab-width: 4
# end:
--8< ---
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Re: [X] why does X kill my modem?
In your email to me, Bob Billson, you wrote: > > Hi all... > > Oh no! He's back with another problem. :-) > > This one has me really puzzled. When I run X, I can't dial out with my > modem. Until recently, I didn't run X very much so I pretty much forgot > about the problem. Now I want to start using X more so the problem needs > to be solved. > > My machine is a 486/133 (AMD's fast 486 chip) with VLB bus. It has 4 > serial ports (ttyS0 to S3). ttyS0 and ttyS1 are 16450 UARTs on the > floppy/hard drive controller. ttyS2 and ttyS3 are 16550 UARTs on a > separate card. My system is configured like this: > > ttyS0 serial mouse > ttyS1 unused > ttyS2 X10 controller (unused most of the time) > ttyS3 modem (USR 33.6, external) > > The modem is on ttyS3 to avoid IRQ conflicts with the mouse. I use mgetty > and run diald (v1.16.4) to bring up the connection to my ISP. I can also > use minicom to dialup local BBSs, etc. This all works very well when X > isn't running, so I know it isn't a hardware problem. What IRQs are you using for all these? If you are sharing 3 and 4 between 3 devices, that could be the problem. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:20:36 -0400 (EDT), Will Lowe wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote:
>
>> If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom,
>> they
>> could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of a quality
>> product.
>> Thats their purpose as far as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD makers
>> can
>> keep their stock up to date.
>
>I think that _anything_ that helps make Debian more mainstream and
>available to new users is worthwhile as long as it doesn't compromise the
>inherent stability and usefullness of the Debian distribution.
Here here. But it should not be anyones jobs. You can't bring that
commerization
aspet in with the people that make decsions on the future of a free product.
It
sways thems
>I say this not from a "We are Hackers of Debian; Prepare to be
>Assimilated" or "Let's take over the planet" standpoint, but because in
>order to get more commercially-available software into Debian
>format/compatibility, we need to make the distribution commercially
>viable. It'd be nice if eventually you could download "netscape3024.deb"
>or get the newest release of your favorite
>{game;utility;screensaver;officesuite} in Linux (esp. Debian) ala Quake or
>Wordperfect Linux.
>
>But it won't happen unless people are convinced that linux is a workable,
>commercially-viable alternative to products from Gates, Inc. I think
>Debian's the best shot it's got.
You should't even worry about that. What will happen, will happen because of
how
good debian is. I'm not saying hide it, just don't do things that puts the
orginaizers
in a competative state with each other.
Getting the word out is all that is needed. Making CDs available (not just
cheap!) is
scifecent and something custimarily handled by several developers in the group.
If cheapbytes wants to rep out 5 thousand CD's that's their perogative. But we
should in no way feel obligated to cater to their ability to sell those cd's.
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Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Hi, >>"Dave" == Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dave> The new version naming scheme and control is based on politics Dave> and not technical reasons. But it is not technically inferior to the previous naming convention in any way. Dave> If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings Dave> CD-Rom, they could get back to simply working towards the Dave> orginazation of a quality product. Thats their purpose as far Dave> as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD makers can keep their Dave> stock up to date. Then you are naive. The best product (Betamax,apple) can die out if absolutely no effort is made to promote it. And it is not as if we decided on a technically inferior naming scheme. I don't see why you are making such a mountain out of this. In any case, your perception of the Projects purpose may not be relevant to the people who comprise the project. We think we can a quality free product without ignoring our commercial friends. (Oh, yes, we do have commercially inclined friends, though this may shock you). manoj -- You can't tell which way the train is going by looking at the tracks. unknown Manoj Srivastava mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mobile, Alabama USAhttp://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[X] why does X kill my modem?
Hi all...
Oh no! He's back with another problem. :-)
This one has me really puzzled. When I run X, I can't dial out with my
modem. Until recently, I didn't run X very much so I pretty much forgot
about the problem. Now I want to start using X more so the problem needs
to be solved.
My machine is a 486/133 (AMD's fast 486 chip) with VLB bus. It has 4
serial ports (ttyS0 to S3). ttyS0 and ttyS1 are 16450 UARTs on the
floppy/hard drive controller. ttyS2 and ttyS3 are 16550 UARTs on a
separate card. My system is configured like this:
ttyS0 serial mouse
ttyS1 unused
ttyS2 X10 controller (unused most of the time)
ttyS3 modem (USR 33.6, external)
The modem is on ttyS3 to avoid IRQ conflicts with the mouse. I use mgetty
and run diald (v1.16.4) to bring up the connection to my ISP. I can also
use minicom to dialup local BBSs, etc. This all works very well when X
isn't running, so I know it isn't a hardware problem.
THE PROBLEM: When I start X, diald can no longer bring up my PPP
connection. I can't use minicom to dial out. ttyS3 is completely hosed,
i.e. the modem lights don't flicker so the modem isn't getting any
commands. I stuck a Radio Shack RS-232 mini-tester (just LEDs on each of
the 8 lines) to watch the status of the port. Nothing is getting through.
When I kill the X server, the port remains dead. I can't use minicom or
get diald to bring up the PPP connection. The only way to restore things
to normal is ctrl-alt-del.
Is there something buried in X which enables/disables the serial ports?
If so, what and where? If not, does anyone have suggestions as to what
might be going on here?
TIA...
Bob
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Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. > Your own comment insults your intellegence (what little I have seen) far more than Behan. Try a comment with more thought involved, Dwarf P.S. I've never understood why that particular phrase is used as an insult. If the right person speaks the phrase, I am not at all insulted. -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installing Linux
In your email to me, Davison Avery, you wrote: > > I was wondering if there was a way to install Linux without formatting > my hard-drive and destorying the existing partitions. I currently use > Win95, but want to try Linux out. As such, I would like to have Linux as > the dominant OS, but wish to be able to switch to Win95 if I ever had to > access some of the data and apps I have. > > I know that LILO exists, but all of the messages I've read so far seem > to imply that I will have to format my drive. I really, really don't > want to do this. Any other solutions short of buying Partition Magic? You don't have to reformat. 'fips' does the same thing (in a basic way) as partition magic. > I have a 2.1 gig C: and a 1.1 gig D:. Win95 resides on C:. If you 1.1 is free for linux, you can load the linux stuff on there, and, after you get it built (still booting from a floppy), you can either install loadlin and boot from within dos/win, or install lilo on the MBR of your first drive. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: G77 (was Re: compilation problems)
Oleg Krivosheev wrote: > nope, it will be released about Sep 1st and based on gcc 2.7.2.3 That's good news. Unfortunately, if it's based on 2.7.2.3, that means there probably won't be a libc5 version of it. If that's going to inconvenience anybody, let me know, and I'll...see what I can do. --Galen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Installing Linux
I was wondering if there was a way to install Linux without formatting my hard-drive and destorying the existing partitions. I currently use Win95, but want to try Linux out. As such, I would like to have Linux as the dominant OS, but wish to be able to switch to Win95 if I ever had to access some of the data and apps I have. I know that LILO exists, but all of the messages I've read so far seem to imply that I will have to format my drive. I really, really don't want to do this. Any other solutions short of buying Partition Magic? I have a 2.1 gig C: and a 1.1 gig D:. Win95 resides on C:. Thanx, -Davison P.S. I haven't got enough money to buy a Zip to back my stuff up. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Hi, >>"Dave" == Dave Cinege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dave> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: Dave> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive Dave> cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you make your Dave> books public Bruce? Personally, I think a less confrontational tone would be more appropriate. You think that the domain registration is free? Do you think that the project can depend on all the machines on our ftp sites to be donated? That the Linux organizations all have no fee? If I were to take as confrontaional a view as you have, I might point out that as far I can see, you have made no contribution to the project beyond griping, (and *possibly* a _voluntary_ contribution); IMHO, the least you can do is be polite. However, I shall not descend into those depths. Do you have any basis for the implication that Bruce is doing things underhandedly with the money? Dave> The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is Dave> still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. I am sorry that you do not like it. However, the project can't be all things to all people. My native friends tell me that the appropriate reaction it ``tough''. Dave> The project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all Dave> over the world. Freeholders? Volunteers, mainly, I would have said. Not freeloaders. (cheap shot, I know). Dave> Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have no Dave> idea. The government is invlved minimally, I think. A private company can accept money and pay bills (I think it is very miserly for people to want everything for FREE, but expect the volunteers to pay for the project). It may also apply for a tax exepmt status (which means that the project means to be non-profitable) Dave> Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government privedged Dave> entiy? Get real. Dave> It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we suddenly need Dave> permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of the other Dave> anarchists here are also wondering about these things You are perfectly free to start your own distribution of Linux, you and all other ``anarchists'' (anyone else thinking of Natasha and Boris?). Nobody is taking your precious little OS from you. Manoj otherwise known as Bullwinkle -- The desire of power in excess caused angels to fall; the desire of knowledge in excess caused man to fall; but in charity is no excess, neither can man or angels come into danger by it. -- Bacon Manoj Srivastava mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mobile, Alabama USAhttp://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/> -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:11:16 -0400, Marc W. Brooks wrote: >Okay, I'm not sure where we disagree then. You admit that "In most cases it >won't even be feasible", but this also means that in some cases, it would >be feasible. Could be...could. >Why not give that option to people? Just wondering. Because of the 'baggage' involved with having the corp IMHO is not worth it. How much would it let us benift? The love of the product is why people donated. For those that actually pay taxes, I doubt the write off would be a deciding factor. Regardless of my feelings about the corp, the main issue to me has always been the product. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: G77 (was Re: compilation problems)
Galen Hazelwood wrote: >Thus Spake Michael Taeschner: >>Awaiting g77 0.5.21 soon, >Don't hold your breath. I've heard that it's been indefinitely delayed, >sort of like gcc 2.8. Craig Burley is planning the release of g77 0.5.21 on September 1st, or at least so he wrote two days ago. -- Thomas Koenig, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: G77 (was Re: compilation problems)
Hi, On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Galen Hazelwood wrote: > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:01:44 -0600 > From: Galen Hazelwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.DEBIAN.org > Subject: G77 (was Re: compilation problems) > Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:04:20 + > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.DEBIAN.org > Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; > > Thus Spake Michael Taeschner: > > >Did you try to install GNU fortran77, the real f77 compiler? > >BTW it comes in version 0.5.20 in stable (though 5.20 is known to have > >bugs), maybe somewhere 0.5.19.1 is somewhere around as .deb? > > The bo-updates section has 0.5.19.1. > > >Awaiting g77 0.5.21 soon, > > Don't hold your breath. I've heard that it's been indefinitely delayed, > sort of like gcc 2.8. nope, it will be released about Sep 1st and based on gcc 2.7.2.3 > If you feel like living dangerously (and are using a libc6 development > environment) the egcs compiler package (experimental new gcc version; > see http://www.cygnus.com/egcs/) is heading for experimental as soon as > the first non-snapshot release comes out. This will have a "eg77" > package, which is a pre-beta version of 0.5.21 designed to work with > egcc. i've got amazing speed out of egcs g77 benchmarks ! Feel free to ask in private e-mail OK -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote >> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: >> >One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be >> >tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status >> >with the US IRS first. >> Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. >> How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS will >> allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... >> >> I don't see the need. > >Well, many others did. And many others agreed with the other changes >you disagree with. These decisions have been made. The time for >discussion is _over_, unless you've got something more substantial >than the pot-shots you've been taking so far. Who? I've been reading this list long before the the notice of incorpoation came through. I never saw any discussion about it. Excuse me if I missed it, but I never remember seeing a single post asking if it was OK if a few guys in the group became 'Debian' >If you feel these changes make it impossible for you to use Debian, >we're sorry, but it looks like the time has come for you to move to >another distribution or start your own or whatever. I just spoke with someone today about this, and he said it looks like this crap might just do that. >If these changes do not make it impossible for you to use Debian, then >please come up with something substantial enough that it might >actually make people reconsider (I'll give you a clue, "I don't see >the need" ain't likely to work---obviously the others did) or *drop >it*. I've said it ten times. Politics are starting to come into play over the technical aspects of the distribution. If it is furthered it will either destroy the project or break it up. There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept quite. There was no good reason to put out an 'Official' cd (which hurt a lot of our CD-R guys), and I kept quite. Now for the most pethtic reason, the entire version control system (and quality of product, both perceived and actual) is at stake. Now I'm ventting my shit with full force. I see where this is leading. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
At 02:56 PM 8/21/97 -0400, Dave Cinege wrote: >On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:19:55 -0400, Marc W. Brooks wrote: >>What about people who would like to donate with the tax write off? Why >>should that avenue be blocked because it won't help everyone involved? As >>long as it does not actually hinder people, what's wrong with adding >>benefits to those who donate. > >They don't have it yet. If they get it, how peope can use it will be limited. In most >case it won't even be feesable Okay, I'm not sure where we disagree then. You admit that "In most cases it won't even be feasible", but this also means that in some cases, it would be feasible. Why not give that option to people? Just wondering. Later, Marc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
G77 (was Re: compilation problems)
Thus Spake Michael Taeschner: >Did you try to install GNU fortran77, the real f77 compiler? >BTW it comes in version 0.5.20 in stable (though 5.20 is known to have >bugs), maybe somewhere 0.5.19.1 is somewhere around as .deb? The bo-updates section has 0.5.19.1. >Awaiting g77 0.5.21 soon, Don't hold your breath. I've heard that it's been indefinitely delayed, sort of like gcc 2.8. If you feel like living dangerously (and are using a libc6 development environment) the egcs compiler package (experimental new gcc version; see http://www.cygnus.com/egcs/) is heading for experimental as soon as the first non-snapshot release comes out. This will have a "eg77" package, which is a pre-beta version of 0.5.21 designed to work with egcc. --Galen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > > >In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: > >> >Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply > >> >because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger by > >> >trying to imply that donated money is somehow being mispent is just > >> >plain childish. Grow up. > >> > >> Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. > > > >Resorting to vulgarities on a public mailing list should get you bounced > >from the list. Like Behan said, grow up. > > Then fuck you too. Bounce me. Weld you're power to stifle my 'bad' speech. > Dare you use your filter instead. I have no such power. -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:19:55 -0400, Marc W. Brooks wrote: >At 02:00 PM 8/21/97 -0400, Dave Cinege wrote: >>On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: >> >>> >>>One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be >>>tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status >> >>Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. >>How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the >IRS will >>allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... >> >>I don't see the need. > >What about people who would like to donate with the tax write off? Why >should that avenue be blocked because it won't help everyone involved? As >long as it does not actually hinder people, what's wrong with adding >benefits to those who donate. They don't have it yet. If they get it, how peope can use it will be limited. In most case it won't even be feesable - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: >In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: >> >> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: >> >Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply >> >because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger by >> >trying to imply that donated money is somehow being mispent is just >> >plain childish. Grow up. >> >> Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. > >Resorting to vulgarities on a public mailing list should get you bounced >from the list. Like Behan said, grow up. Then fuck you too. Bounce me. Weld you're power to stifle my 'bad' speech. Dare you use your filter instead. Sic semper tyrannis! - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
new install
Hi Just got a new computer with 2 Quantum Fireball ST2.1A and a Pioneer ATAPI CD (DR-A24X) I'am having some problems... I can boot the system and come to the point where Please wait Installation is determining the current state .. and then the screen starts to be filed with hdb: irq timeout: error 0x20 hdb: irq timeout: status 0x51 hdb: irq timeout: error 0x20 hdb: irq timeout: status 0x51 hdb: irq timeout: error 0x20 hdb: irq timeout: status 0x51 If I go to the VC2 and use dmesg | more everything looks right (400.59 BogoMIPS). At the boot prompt I've tried boot: linux hdb=cdrom and boot: linux hdc=cdrom with no positive result. Any help will be apreciated. Karsten -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: incorporation
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:09:25 CDT, Rick Hawkins wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > >> The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still beyand >> me, >> and the more I think about it I don't like it. The project (like linux) >> has > always been for freeholders all over the world. Why the US government >> suddenly has to get involded, I have no idea. Why does Debian need to be an >> artificial US government privedged entiy? It's our OS. We collectivly own it. >> Why do we suddenly need permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of >> the other anarchists here are also wondering about these things > > >I had nothing to do with the decision or the incorporation, or any >discussions, but as an attorney I'll stick my head in: Let me cover my throat >1) as someone already mentioned, it makes a difference for donations. Overall? No. Can we pretend that it does? Sure...that's what law is all about... >2) It has nothing to do with the US government. States grant corporate >charters, >not the feds No difference from a legal stand point, and you should already know his. An artifical entity as no natural rights, but only government granted privleges. The Feds can claim jurisdiction over it where they could (according to the US constitution) never set foot with a natural person Doesn't matter at what level is was created. >3) Liability. The corporation is legally a person. If someone got the bright >idea to >sue Debian (for whatever reason, including frivolous), individuals would be >liable without incorporation. Incorporated, individual liability extends only to acts of that i>ndividual. Where as before it was just a concept (and concepts can't be sued) now debian is a thing that can be messed with. The exsitence of a 'Debian' posses a threat to the work of all the world around the world. And how does that cover a single developers? Are we all part of the corp (in writing)? The only people who have limited liabilities with Debian are direct employees and officiers of the corp. Not me. Not Ian Murdock over in the UK. Not any of the fine mainters in DE. Not even the people stuck in this god forsaken country. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
> >One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be > >tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status > >with the US IRS first. > Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. and of what harm? if there's enough interest from outside the US (in donations, not in usage) there's no reason related steps couldn't be taken. > How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS > will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? > Hell no... guess again. Partial usage for charitable concerns could be deducted. However, the entire machine & network costs are probably already deducted as business expenses. rick, esq. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
X installation calamity solved. Thank you!
Thanks to Joost Kooi for suggesting I could bypass my mis-installed X installation by typing ``linux single'' at the LILO prompt. This allowed me to delete some stuff and salvage my system. As a minor matter, typing ``linux emergency'' did not work. I was able to get on. Even though I was supposedly root, however, I was told that all my files were read-only, so I could not change. Anyway, thanks again! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: > >Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply > >because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger by > >trying to imply that donated money is somehow being mispent is just > >plain childish. Grow up. > > Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. Resorting to vulgarities on a public mailing list should get you bounced from the list. Like Behan said, grow up. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: >Dave Cinege wrote: >> >> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: >> >> >my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the >> >project with donations. I have just bought 2 "Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's" >> >from LSL and I chose the product that includes a 5 dollar donation to the >> >Debian project. >> >> And since I am in such a pissed off mood over these version number let's >> start on these >> donations. Where do they go and what are they used for? > >Personally, I'm glad to see Debian become a little more organized >and getting incorporated. They didn't need to get incorpoated to become more orginized. The United States or any one of them has no interest in our international communal project. >It means that Debian can start paying it's >own bills instead of people like Bruce going out of pocket to pay >for the internic domain fees. Then tell him to rep a few CD-R's out and not pander an 'official' CD to high volume leach cookie cutters. >There are many little expenses that >need to be paid, far more than either you or I can probably imagine. >Organizing 200+ contributors is not an easy feat, especially with no >budget. Bahh. It's part of our way of life. It's like saying my projects incur the cost of my internet accessit's something I would have anyway, and couldn't live without. If cost (besides in time) are getting noticly more then what he does for himself, it's time to bring in another person to help share the load. >On top of that, not everyone can donate time or resourses, but they can >contribute money. To who? Am I a part of Debian.org? Do I have a vote.even if I maintain 50 packages?? You'll seethe cash will lead to bills created by the corp, that in turn will create more bills, and there by creating a relience on direct finacial support. The point is you CAN'T just donate money to Debian. 'Debian' is the efforts of several hundred people; it's not a physical thing. >Why not allow them to do such? It is their choice. >Debian is not asking for donations, yet people send donations anyways. >Why do you feel that this way of contributing to the project should be >stopped? Whether you're donating time, resources, or cash, it all >boils down to contributing money. No it does not. It would be hard to put a monetary figure on the badwidth donated by ftp sites. This is the only real need the Debian *developers* require. What this corpoation is doing, why it even is I still don't understand. It doesn't represent the people behind Debian. It doesn't offer them any protections. All it does is create an expense, where there was none. And that expense creates a desire to get money from the project, where there was none. Were you asked if you wanted the version control change? No, we we're told that it was going to be changed, and purely for the sake of appesment of the larger CD makers. Debian is not about profit. The orginizes should not be worrying about it how many cd's they get sent outit obviously is interfering with the technical aspects of the project. >Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply >because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger by >trying to imply that donated money is somehow being mispent is just >plain childish. Grow up. Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote:
> If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom, they
> could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of a quality
> product.
> Thats their purpose as far as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD makers
> can
> keep their stock up to date.
I think that _anything_ that helps make Debian more mainstream and
available to new users is worthwhile as long as it doesn't compromise the
inherent stability and usefullness of the Debian distribution.
I say this not from a "We are Hackers of Debian; Prepare to be
Assimilated" or "Let's take over the planet" standpoint, but because in
order to get more commercially-available software into Debian
format/compatibility, we need to make the distribution commercially
viable. It'd be nice if eventually you could download "netscape3024.deb"
or get the newest release of your favorite
{game;utility;screensaver;officesuite} in Linux (esp. Debian) ala Quake or
Wordperfect Linux.
But it won't happen unless people are convinced that linux is a workable,
commercially-viable alternative to products from Gates, Inc. I think
Debian's the best shot it's got.
Will
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Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > >One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be > >tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status > >with the US IRS first. > Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. > How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS > will > allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... > > I don't see the need. Well, many others did. And many others agreed with the other changes you disagree with. These decisions have been made. The time for discussion is _over_, unless you've got something more substantial than the pot-shots you've been taking so far. If you feel these changes make it impossible for you to use Debian, we're sorry, but it looks like the time has come for you to move to another distribution or start your own or whatever. If these changes do not make it impossible for you to use Debian, then please come up with something substantial enough that it might actually make people reconsider (I'll give you a clue, "I don't see the need" ain't likely to work---obviously the others did) or *drop it*. Mike. -- Don't touch that! It's the History Eraser Button -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Squid + ipfwadm redirect transparent problems
Jose Maria Omo Millan wrote: ># Redirect to Squid proxy server >/sbin/ipfwadm -I -a acc -P tcp -D default/0 80 -r 8080 >ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved > While trying to retrieve the URL: / The http 1.0 protocol does not send requested IP address in the request. If a client asks for "http://www.playboy.com"; then he opens a TCP connection to 205.216.146.202:80 and sends the text "GET / HTTP/1.0". Your squid would need to ask the firewall what destination IP address was in the packet, and I guess it can't do that. You can't mix proxies and straight http, they are different protocols. Mike. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
At 02:00 PM 8/21/97 -0400, Dave Cinege wrote: >On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > >> >>One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be >>tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status > >Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. >How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS will >allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... > >I don't see the need. What about people who would like to donate with the tax write off? Why should that avenue be blocked because it won't help everyone involved? As long as it does not actually hinder people, what's wrong with adding benefits to those who donate. Marc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: incorporation
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still beyand me, > and the more I think about it I don't like it. The project (like linux) has > > always been for freeholders all over the world. Why the US government > suddenly has to get involded, I have no idea. Why does Debian need to be an > artificial US government privedged entiy? It's our OS. We collectivly own it. > Why do we suddenly need permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of > the other anarchists here are also wondering about these things I had nothing to do with the decision or the incorporation, or any discussions, but as an attorney I'll stick my head in: 1) as someone already mentioned, it makes a difference for donations. 2) It has nothing to do with the US government. States grant corporate charters, not the feds (Although there are a handful of federally chartered corporations: Postal Service, Sallie Mae, etc.). 3) Liability. The corporation is legally a person. If someone got the bright idea to sue Debian (for whatever reason, including frivolous), individuals would be liable without incorporation. Incorporated, individual liability extends only to acts of that individual. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > >One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be >tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status >with the US IRS first. Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... I don't see the need. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: receiving vt100 printing sequences
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > how do i get a vc or an xterm to recognize and print vt100 print > > sequences? > > this is what i want to be able to do, in a nutshell: > > my.debian.machine% rsh other.debian.machine vtprint foo.txt > > thus causing foo.txt to be printed on the printer which is physically > > connected to "my.debian.machine" > why not using remote printing? yes, i could print a file that way. but what if what i want to print is not a file? say i'm telnetted to some random remote host, and i'm using lynx on this host. i have no shell access, and the only print command available is: "Use ANSI print sequence to print to attached printer" if i'm in any windoze telnet program, it'll print. in debian, nope. how do i make it work? brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://weber.u.washington.edu/~maximill -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:57:33 +0200, Ciccio wrote: >> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash donations. What expenses > >What's going wrong now? > >I'm using debian quite heavily, and nobody asked me to pay, so I didn't. >Why should I bother what happens to the money of other people? I don't >know personally any of the mayor debian activists, but I like the work >they do. So why should I think they're trying to do something less >honorable? The new version naming scheme and control is based on politics and not technical reasons. If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom, they could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of a quality product. Thats their purpose as far as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD makers can keep their stock up to date. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > > >> > >> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash > >> donations. What expenses What's going wrong now? > does > >> it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? > > > >Check the donations page. It will show what has been collected. The only > >expense that we have incurred to this point has been the fees generated > >by the incorporation process, less than $600. > > Why was this incorporation necessary? > - > http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 > http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/Linux Router Project > I'm using debian quite heavily, and nobody asked me to pay, so I didn't. Why should I bother what happens to the money of other people? I don't know personally any of the mayor debian activists, but I like the work they do. So why should I think they're trying to do something less honorable? Others use the list to announce their products, and while this consists just in two lines, I think that's OK. Why always suppose the worst? If anybody destroys the debian project, we just shoot him, that's OK too ;-) -- Ciccio C. Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Dave Cinege wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: > > >my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the > >project with donations. I have just bought 2 "Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's" > >from LSL and I chose the product that includes a 5 dollar donation to the > >Debian project. > > And since I am in such a pissed off mood over these version number let's > start on these > donations. Where do they go and what are they used for? Personally, I'm glad to see Debian become a little more organized and getting incorporated. It means that Debian can start paying it's own bills instead of people like Bruce going out of pocket to pay for the internic domain fees. There are many little expenses that need to be paid, far more than either you or I can probably imagine. Organizing 200+ contributors is not an easy feat, especially with no budget. On top of that, not everyone can donate time or resourses, but they can contribute money. Why not allow them to do such? It is their choice. Debian is not asking for donations, yet people send donations anyways. Why do you feel that this way of contributing to the project should be stopped? Whether you're donating time, resources, or cash, it all boils down to contributing money. Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger by trying to imply that donated money is somehow being mispent is just plain childish. Grow up. Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Calamity setting up X! Blank screen!
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: [snip] > To stop xdm from starting after boot, type "linux single" at lilo's > "boot:" prompt. > Alternatively (in case I'm wrong about what's run in single user mode) > type "linux emergency" to bypass nearly all the startup scripts in > /etc/init.d/ resp. /etc/rc.* > > Then edit /etc/X11/config as prescribed. Oops. You're right Joost. This would be easier and probably faster. Syrus. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Syrus Nemat-Nasser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[XINETD] problems
Hi all, I'm trying to learn xinetd so I installed 2.1.7-3 (from debian 1.2) on a debian 1.1-upgraded-to-1.2 machine. I found these (little) problems: 1. config file (when modified) is not reread using killall -USR1 xinetd or /etc/init.d/xinetd reload. I have to stop and start it 2. using log_type = FILE doesn't work if filename doesn't exist. Man page says it should create it, but it doesn't. Am I overlooking something? Can anyone confirm these problems? -- |||| ||| Marco Frattola Microsoft is not the answer ||`..'|| |||... Piacenza, ItalyMicrosoft is the question ||| ||| |||''[EMAIL PROTECTED]"No" is the answer ||| ||| ||| www.enjoy.it/users/~mk/index.html Live Linux, live free! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V97 #646
Hiermit wiederspreche ich der Verwendung meiner e-mail Adresse für kommerzielle Werbeaussendungen. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: hamm and compiling.
In your email to me, Bob Clark, you wrote: > > Tim Sailer wrote: > > > > On 1 machine I have, I'm running hamm... updating daily. Real bleeding > > edge. I have a problem with compiling a program that I don't > > understand. > > > > Here is the error: > > > > gcc -g -ansi -pedantic -Wall -I./../include -I../include > ^^^ > These two are equivalent. Did you mean to type > ../../include? Dunno... this came out of a configure generated Makefile. > >in buffer starting at BUF with length of LEN bytes. */ > > extern char *inet_neta __P ((u_long __net, char *__buf, > > u_long is defined in /usr/include/linux/types.h. Are you > including that file? Try using the "-E" switch on gcc and > look at the output to see what is being sent to the compiler > for the offending line. I'm not including it. I'll bet that the includes for hamm may not be pointing to it.. maybe I should purge libc[5-6]-dev and reinstall? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are Crunchy, and good with Catsup! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: compilation problems
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, writes: >Hi, > >I apologize for the long message but I figure I'd better lay out all the >errors. I'm having some unusual compilation problems on a new machine I'm >setting up. When I try a make depend on some code, I often get one or more >of the following errors: > >f77 -I./inc -cpp -g -C -c routine.F -o ./routine.o >./routine.F > routine: >mv: routine.c: I/O error `I/O error' is a hardware problem. It sounds as if there's something wrong with the hard disk. That's why the file involved keeps changing. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://lfix.co.uk/oliver Make it idiot-proof, and someone will breed a better idiot. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > > >> > >> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash > >> donations. What expenses > does > >> it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? > > > >Check the donations page. It will show what has been collected. The only > >expense that we have incurred to this point has been the fees generated > >by the incorporation process, less than $600. > > Why was this incorporation necessary? One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status with the US IRS first. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are Crunchy, and good with Catsup! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Passwd: encrypted pw entry
Sorry if someone already answered this, my inbox is chaos right now... I run shadow passwd's so I: 1. type 'shadowconfig off' 2. type 'vi /etc/passwd' as root. I replace the users password with a single '*'. This is what it will look like: username:*:1000:100:[snip] 3. quit/save 4. type 'shadowconfig on' Hope this works for you. Dennis -- dpk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Systems Undergrad | work: 517.353.8892 Division of Enginnering Computing Services | page: 517.222.5875 With a PC, I always felt limited by the software available. On Unix, I am limited only by my knowledge. --Peter J. Schoenster On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Matthew Tebbens wrote: > > How can I disable an /etc/passwd entry. Isn't there something I can place > in the encrypted-pw section of /etc/passwd to disable the account ? > > Thanks, > Matthew > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: >> >> I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash >> donations. What expenses does >> it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? > >Check the donations page. It will show what has been collected. The only >expense that we have incurred to this point has been the fees generated >by the incorporation process, less than $600. Why was this incorporation necessary? - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Passwd: encrypted pw entry
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Matthew Tebbens wrote: > How can I disable an /etc/passwd entry. Isn't there something I can place > in the encrypted-pw section of /etc/passwd to disable the account ? Inserting an asterisk in front of a user's encoded password will disable the account without destroying the ability to restore that account later (by removing the password). I believe an asterisk is not a valid character in the character set used by the password encrypting algorhythm, and it will also shift all of the characters into a different position. Of the thirteen characters, the first two are the "salt" used to make things random, and the other eleven store the encoded password. Pete -- Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer & Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
printer setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- hello, is there any software for setting up a printer? i installed lprgn and magicfilter but how do i tell them that i have a hp laserjet 4 with a4 paper and that it should use 600dpi, ...? thanks a lot, michael -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM/w9pXy4MROVFbwtAQGzzQP9GKS0jC6TjArUo/xVtHMYSb4yZaFlpFrO +J4ihkDMGNKJ7nhWt6abYW32ob2hVR+pGrUQLPhB7WPWrZu3PDyxTai1bQ+oheTQ l57GeHdGU5YN8BILzOK04qZ8d4BZF9Q/2a3Nv7W9uKSwX/q0uEOrcf1cEh7XMqZb fgjpotyP98c= =S4QH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Calamity setting up X! Blank screen!
Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Charles Blair wrote: > > >Then the real disaster! > > it goes through preliminary messages, types ``starting xdm'' and then > > I get a blank screen. > > > > I have also tried using the boot floppy I created when I installed > > the system without X a year ago. This again leads to a blank screen. > > I suggest booting with a rescue floppy, mounting your hard drive, and > editing /mnt/etc/X11/config. Replace "start-xdm" with "no-start-xdm", and > replace "xdm-start-server" with "no-xdm-start-server". This should > prevent xdm from starting up. AFAIK you don't even need to use the rescue floppy in this case, because your existing system basically works, but it is only xdm messing up your console. To stop xdm from starting after boot, type "linux single" at lilo's "boot:" prompt. Alternatively (in case I'm wrong about what's run in single user mode) type "linux emergency" to bypass nearly all the startup scripts in /etc/init.d/ resp. /etc/rc.* Then edit /etc/X11/config as prescribed. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installing 1.3.1 BIG Problems !!!
On Aug 21, Peter Biechele wrote [install problems] > I have tried the installation for about 20 times using Debian 1.2.4, > 1.2.10 and 1.3.1 (July disks) but nothing helped. I have reformatted for > several times, used less swap space (64MB instead of 128MB) and used non > at all. I have tried to change some BIOS settings to get it going, but > that didn´t work either. I tried to use the mem=128MB option at the boot > prompt. Your problem sounds a lot like the obscure symptoms of the "sig 11" problem. Check out http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ . HTH, Ray -- PATRIOTISM A great British writer once said that if he had to choose between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would have the decency to betray his country. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
