Re: Wheezy: Ctrl+F (find file) doesn't work in Konqueror?
lee wrote: T Elcor writes: KDE 4.x.x looks like a horrible disaster that never ends. Time to start looking for another desktop. fvwm-crystal is pretty awesome I used fvwm-crystal a good bit a few years back: http://prestonboyington.wordpress.com/2009/04/19/crystal-clear/ I still play with it some, but now mostly use LXDE. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e14a543.2060...@gmail.com
Re: Game for toddlers
Ralf Mardorf wrote: P.S. Be sure to give the kids their own accounts, because they will drag panels all over the screen, add countless "Untitled Folder"s to the desktop, etc. My kids also liked the idea of having a secret password to log in. I used our last name, so they could practice spelling it. -Rob +1 for tuxmath and especially for tuxpaint. When I worked for childcare I installed Edubuntu 10.10 i386 on my machine. On my machine, not on the machines of terres des hommes oberhausen :(, hopefully they checked out to install the Windows version of tuxpaint. I recommend http://www.edubuntu.org/. alternatively, using a LiveCD or USB thumbdrive is a great way for kids to experience these programs without worrying about something going awry. there is also a Debian-Jr list and packages that might be helpful. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJr http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e14803c.6030...@gmail.com
Re: Game for toddlers
T o n g wrote: Hi, Do you have any *first hand experiences* of games available in Debian that toddlers of 2 to 4 can enjoy? while not exactly a game, my daughter enjoyed playing with TuxPaint. there are plenty of stamps, colors, and sounds that kept her entertained while getting her used to using the mouse. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e1321dc.2040...@gmail.com
Re: Copying a bootable CD
William Hopkins wrote: On 06/28/11 at 08:39am, Martin McCormick wrote: I have a bootable live CD of an out-dated version of a specialized distribution of Debian called Vinux. I never saved the ISO image and I now want to copy from the CDRW it is on to a CDR to use as a rescue disk on systems that can not read CDRW's. The CDRW works fine so what is the best way to rip it such that I end up with an ISO image I can burn to a CDR? $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=filename.iso bs=2048 conv=notrunc then burn the ISO using your tool of choice (wodim, etc.) you can also do this with cat: cat /dev/cdrom > ~/image.iso -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e09ee02.9000...@gmail.com
Re: QCAD Pro in Squeeze
Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 10:45:33 -0800, peasthope wrote: RibbonSoft notes that QCAD Pro worked in Debian 3.1 and 4.0. Is anyone using it in 6, Squeeze? I'm wondering whether to stick with Generic CADD 6.1 purchased years ago or switch to QCAD Pro 2.2. Recommendations appreciated. JFYI, for a 2D CAD application there is also DraftSight. I've not tested, but I remember it was mentioned in the news months ago... http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/free-cad-software/ And there is also Briscad but may be a bit expensive for home users: http://www.bricscad.com/en_INTL/ I've also used various CAD programs through WINE with decent success in the past. Codeweavers has a list here: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=category&iId=59&sAction=view&sTitle=Browse+Applications keep in mind that some programs are dated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e00b113.9030...@gmail.com
Re: How to disable services at startup... and keep them so.
Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 08:49:03 -0800, Mike wrote: "update-rc.d network-manager remove" I don't have this service, but generally I'd expect to disable a service through its /etc/default/ settings. I agree this is the most common place to set the desired variable values for the daemon and even the easiest way to turn on/off a service at boot time but the thing is that there is not such file for Network Manager under "/etc/default/*". (apologies if this is not what you are asking. late to the thread) if you have a GUI environment then couldn't you use Boot-Up Manager? "aptitude install bum" see: http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bumdocs.html -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cfebe9a.6020...@gmail.com
Re: can't read asus support dvd
teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: I'm assuming you checked this already; But is the disk filthy or scratched to heck and back?? as an aside, most people flip the CD over to keep from scratching the bottom when it's laying around out of the jewel case/sleeve not realizing that the top has a much thinner level of protection. a scratch on the top is more difficult to fix than a scratch on the bottom in the thicker lacquer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ce2c5e2.2050...@gmail.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
Mark wrote: None of this matters if you use Clonezilla. So why even fiddle with it when there's a great alternative? I use Clonezilla a great deal, but most people don't think to make an image of the machine before they start Windows for the first time. What I'm talking about is having the ability to restore the machine to a factory state, with no personalization, in the event of your selling or passing it along to someone else. Doing this allows the new user to walk through the setup routine that is presented and personalize it to their taste. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb7071f.5050...@gmail.com
Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed
Ogya Chief wrote: At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I can backup, please let me know. Since most newer computers don't come with a Restore disc, I would suggest burning the Restore partition and any associated "utility" partition to a DVD. Usually it fits on one. That way if your hard drive goes belly up later you can slap a new one in and put the machine back to a factory state if you wish. I also recommend Clonezilla for taking snapshots of your working system. It's slow on NTFS, but will fly through most Linux friendly filesystems. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb5ba77.7090...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] spam-tagging
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Re: Increasing number of conflicts
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In my case you probably wouldn't. Mixed Lenny+security+volatile/lenny- backports/testing+volatile/Sid/experimental systems with debian-multimedia added in don't fall on your support list do they? ;) I thought this was normal... :D -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bdb05c0.6030...@gmail.com
Re: Problem in Debian 5 Installation
Anirban Patra wrote: > HiI 've tried to install Debian 5 version but the problem is that* > DVD is not detected by my PC.* I 've tried in other PCs , there it is > running ok. But in my PC, other linux version (*SUSE 10,FEDORA 10) are > running fine*.What should I do? My PC configuration is : Intel Dual Core > 2 GHz Processor ; *1 GB RAM ; 160 GB Seagate SATA HDD & ASUS > Motherboard*. I am eager to use Debian 5. Please help. try the Netinstall if you have a decent internet connection. it's only about 180Mb. it's all i use now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Giving a user root priveleges?
Zachary Uram wrote:
> But when I try to sudo as that user to root I get error:
>
> $ sudo su root
I think there is some confusion.
I don't know of any reason to use both 'su' and 'sudo' in a command.
either you would 'su' to root or you would 'sudo' to run a singular command.
'su' is to change into superuser (root) until you exit.
'sudo' is to temporarily be superuser until the command is completed.
To use 'sudo' to run a command just type 'sudo ' and as long as
you have the user in the 'sudo' group ('adduser user sudo' as root) that
user will be able to run said command when they log back in.
>
> We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
> Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:
>
> #1) Respect the privacy of others.
> #2) Think before you type.
> #3) With great power comes great responsibility.
>
you will get this unless you add NOPASSWD:ALL to your sudo group.
you did uncomment the '%sudo' in the sudoers file, correct?
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Re: Network Manager wants to access default keyring
Michael Biebl wrote: > As already said, setting gdm to autologin will of course not work. you > actually > have to type your password once. > If you are using autologin, you might just as well use a blank password for > your > gnome-keyring (not that i recommend that). > hmm, haven't thought about a blank password, but then i would need to take the user out of the 'sudo' group. no, i think i will just disable autologin. oh, i installed with the 'Desktop Environment' and have policykit installed also. man if wicd supported the broadband wireless card... -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Network Manager wants to access default keyring
Mr. Wang Long wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:05, Preston Boyington > wrote: >> (commented in-line) >> >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: >> >> >> I've re-created my keyring and made sure that the libpam files are >> installed. Still the same message. >> >> After rebooting I took a more careful look at the message: >> "The application 'NetworkManager Applet' (/usr/bin/nm-applet) wants to >> access the default keyring, but it is locked" >> >> so is it actually talking about the little applet running in the >> taskbar not having permission? what's the workaround for this... >> other than typing the password each time. >> >> > > The default keyring should be automately unlocked if you are login by > typing your username and password in gdm, did you enabled auto-login > in gdm? yes. GDM is set to login automatically. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Network Manager wants to access default keyring
(commented in-line)
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Michael Biebl wrote:
> You are using Debian testing, so I guess you use NM 0.7.
specifically 0.7.1-1
> If so, you have two options:
>
> Mark the connection as system connection in nm-connection-editor ("Available
> to
> all users"). This way the key is stored system wide (in
> /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/). That's basically what wicd does.
for whatever reason after I check the box (Available to all users) it
doesn't seem to "stick".
> The other option is, to use libpam-gnome-keyring. Set your keyring password
> the
> same as your login password, and on login your gnome-keyring will
> automatically
> be unlocked.
I've re-created my keyring and made sure that the libpam files are
installed. Still the same message.
After rebooting I took a more careful look at the message:
"The application 'NetworkManager Applet' (/usr/bin/nm-applet) wants to
access the default keyring, but it is locked"
so is it actually talking about the little applet running in the
taskbar not having permission? what's the workaround for this...
other than typing the password each time.
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Network Manager wants to access default keyring
I have Debian Testing with the Gnome environment setup on a friends' laptop. In an effort to make things easier to use I'm trying to stick with Network Manager because of the PPP support for the USB cellular broadband. Each time the computer is started (GDM auto logins to user) NM asks to access the default keyring. How do I get it to automagically work without having to input the keyring password each time? Wicd does this automatically without this annoyance so how do I set NM up to work the same way? So far my searching hasn't found a good workaround. Any help will be appreciated. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Suggestions for desktop manager: [was Re: Fast booting for a Debian system - and suggestions for said system]
Kevin Ross wrote: > If you want auto-login, and fast startup with minimal dependencies, then > skip the display manager, change your getty to rungetty and configure it to > autologin, and add startx to your ~/.bash_profile. Then of course you put > whatever window manager you want into ~/.xinitrc. > i did this back when i ran Fluxbox and it worked great. another option would be 'SLiM' for your login manager. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
pinning question
I have a laptop that functions 'just right' hardware wise so I have no interest in upgrading the compiled kernel (2.6.26 I believe), xorg, or rhythmbox (11.6). Newer kernels seem to break my fglrx and madwifi setups along with the newer rhythmbox giving me grief. I am looking into apt pinning for the first time and while I'm reading up would like a little clarification. Is pinning going to be the best way to hold these specific packages indefinitely? What is the specific After pinning will I be able to 'aptitude dist-upgrade' without worry of overwriting these packages? It seems that in /etc/apt/preferences I just need to put: Package: rhythmbox Pin: version 11.6* Pin-Priority: 1001 and that will hold Rhythmbox at the current installed version. Will marking the packages in Aptitude 'manual' do the same thing? Ideally once I finish this exercise I will be able to do a dist-upgrade to Testing (Squeeze will be listed in my sources.list) and not worry about changing these particular programs. This is pretty important since I will be giving this machine to a friend that will not be able to troubleshoot if something breaks X or wifi. Anyone doing something similar? Thanks. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Starting MTA:
Dale wrote: > 2009/9/17 K. Jantzen : >> Hello >> >> in the booting sequence of Debian lenny I see a line saying >> >> Starting MTA: >> >> It "takes ages" until Debian comes up with "exim4". Thus booting takes >> quite some time. >> >> What does that mean? >> Do I have to have that? >> If not, how can I get rid of it. >> Thanks. > > > If you just got a desktop or laptop setup you don't really need a mail > server running. So removal is very simple all you have to do is: > > apt-get remove --purge at bsd-mailx exim4 exim4-base exim4-config > exim4-daemon-light > alternatively you could just install 'nullmailer'. sudo aptitude install nullmailer it will remove Exim4 and take care of the stuff easily. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: install problem
Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > This is really an embarrassing question for an old Debian hand to > ask, but how do I install Debian? > > I just bought a "netbook" which has no CDROM drive, but which can > boot from a USB stick. I could dd an Ubuntu image to the stick and > then boot from it. But I prefer just plain old Debian. > > I found (through the Debian home page) an image called > debian-503-i386-netinst.iso. I dd'd it to the stick. But the > netbook does not boot from it. > > There must be something very elementary which I did wrong. But what? > honestly, since I started using UNetbootin I haven't looked back. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Fast booting for a Debian system - and suggestions for said system
Lisi Reisz wrote: > XFCE is currently looking like the front runner, but I fear that it may be en > route to getting bloated. Opinions, please. well, it's going to be a little bit of a trade off since I'm seeing more GNOME libs and such. still it will be faster and less bloated than GNOME. > Because of Knoppix, I have had > a good look at LXDE, but so far it does not appear to be very malleable, and > support seems a bit thin on the ground. heh, this is actually my default GUI now. :) > ***I would be very grateful for help in speeding up the boot process, and > suggestions for a suitable DE or WM.*** I now do a netinstall THEN add my packages. I opt out of the 'Desktop Computer' choice in the install which has made me much happier with my results. after install I always do the following: remove netatalk (if installed) install nullmailer (i don't need a mailserver on my desktop or laptop machine) i still use GDM for my manager, but might try Slim again... anyway, my boot time goes from GRUB to GUI in less than 40 seconds using a 1.6ghz laptop. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: about a feature which I found in Gnome
Paul E Condon wrote: > I like the way I can plug a USB device into a USB socket and have it > mounted automatically within a few seconds. I expecially like the way > a device that has a label given to it is mounted on a mount-point that > is named with that label, and when I un-mount the device that mount > point is removed from /media - all automatically. I have used several different desktops and window managers, but recently I've moved to using LXDE. The file manager PCFileMan is extremely user friendly. I also have Compiz installed with LXDE. I don't mind a little eye candy occasionally, but I turn it off when watching movies in Smplayer. a quick google shows this (older) article about the desktop. you can see the filemanager and such there. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7428727466.html -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: wi-fi security?
Manon Metten wrote: > ...when I tried this, aptitude asked if it should remove > 'network-manager-kde'. As I'm using that app and don't have wireless, > I cancelled the installation. > yes, this will also happen if you are running the gnome network manager. it's sort of 'all or nothing'. another option for wifi (and wifi only) is wifi-radar. i used to use it with great success, but didn't need to after switching to wicd since it handled all network connections. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: wi-fi security?
Paul E Condon wrote: > I am having some difficulty with network-manager. Aptitude says it is > installed on my Acer Aspire one... Paul, seriously take a look at wicd. network-manager is now the second thing I uninstall on my Debian/Ubuntu machines (the first being the update-manager because I prefer to use Aptitude). wicd has been flawless for me since i started using it. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [SOLVED] Lenny Installation from USB Memory stick using DVD .iso image
Mark wrote: > Thanks J. Found an 8 GB drive for $16 so I'm moving forward with this, > I figure it's worth a try. > Just curious but have you tried UNetbootin? http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ it's also available in Debian: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&keywords=unetbootin -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
rhythmbox issue
Hello all, I did an upgrade the other day and now rhythmbox throws an error when it opens an mp3 (can't find codec?) then WILL eventually play. Also it takes quite a while for it to start a new song after the previous is finished. All other system sounds, videos, game sounds play just fine. I'm running squeeze (if I remember correctly) with debian.multimedia in my sources. I have an image (Clonezilla rocks!) from a few weeks back, but would rather figure out the problem and correct it. (apologies for not posting my 'ps aux'. I'm away from the laptop.) -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: no sound
abdelkader belahcene wrote: > HI, > on my new laptop HP, > I tryed debian 5.0, ubuntu 9.04 , linuxMint 7, > > the sound is not running on all, while the hardware is detected , the > sound indicator is green correct, When I play a sound file, it plays > normally, but no* sound is heard.* > > here is the lspci : > > *00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio > Controller (rev 03)* > I'm curious if your headphones work even though your built-in speakers might not. I am having a similar issue with an Acer Aspire One D150 (D150-1577 specifically) and am running the 2.6.26-2 kernel. which kernel are you using? -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Anyone using the CAD packages?
Paul Johnson wrote:
> Preston Boyington wrote:
>
>> IF there were more of a push for Linux at the workplace (desktops not
>> just server room) then the "money factor" would help bring the
>> businesses around. As it is, there's no real incentive to produce a
>> product that is cross platform when most of the users/businesses will
>> have a Microsoft OS on the machine anyway.
>
> Anybody who wants to hire me better get used to the "money factor" being
> an issue: I charge employers an Asshole Tax if they honestly expect me
> to use Windows on the job ("Yah, what you're paying me now is about half
> what I'll do the job on Windows for.")
>
LOL! I wish I could do that. Have a good employer though so...
That said, I meant "Industry as a whole" petitioning the software
companies. Not individual employers.
>> The last I saw was someone getting an old (ACAD 2000?) working on Linux
>> through WINE. The other option is running it in a Virtual Machine, but
>> then you have a performance hit on top of running a Microsoft OS since
>> the software is not native.
>
> Especially when you need 2009 or 2010 to get the job done.
>
Another downside (for me and my field) is that even if I were to get a
new version of AutoCAD (or Microstation) installed, it's doubtful that
any of the Civil Software that I use would smoothly run on Linux. If at
all.
Preston
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Re: Anyone using the CAD packages?
Paul Johnson wrote: > Alan Shutko wrote: >> Aryan Ameri writes: >> >>> Well, I always thought that AutoCAD was the equivalent of Windows in the >>> CAD world. And I thought that for more professinal stuff ( i.e >>> designing BMW cars) businesses use more sophisticated products (which >>> again I always thought) run on Unix workstations. >> Yes, basically. Although the big packages also run on NT. (I used >> to work for Unigraphics, which is one of the high-end packages.) >> >>> It seems I was wrong though. AutoCAD is the only CAD product which I >>> have ever heard it's name (OK, aside from QCAD). >> High-end CAD is not a very common occupation. Many more people use >> AutoCAD than have ever used UG, CATIA or Pro/E. The high-end licenses >> cost about the same as a small car per seat, so it's natural many, >> many more people talk about AutoCAD. > > I know this is digging up old news, but I have to wonder if the > situation has changed in the years that this was originally posted, now > that AutoCAD costs more than I have ever paid for a car, and still > doesn't work in Wine. > > The short answer (AFAIK) is "no". I would dearly _love_ to be able to run Solidworks, AutoCAD, MicroStation, plus their related Civil/Mechanical softwares on a Linux machine, but that is just not happening. IF there were more of a push for Linux at the workplace (desktops not just server room) then the "money factor" would help bring the businesses around. As it is, there's no real incentive to produce a product that is cross platform when most of the users/businesses will have a Microsoft OS on the machine anyway. The last I saw was someone getting an old (ACAD 2000?) working on Linux through WINE. The other option is running it in a Virtual Machine, but then you have a performance hit on top of running a Microsoft OS since the software is not native. That just is not good enough. Preston -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Cloning methods
Kelly Harding wrote: > 2009/2/8 Stefan Monnier: >>> What's the best method for cloning a partition? [searching for an >>> open-source software alternateive for it :P] > > If you use XFS the xfsdump/xfsrestore programs are very good. > > Theres also clonezilla which should do the job. > I've had good fortune with clonezilla from a LiveCD. that way I'm not using the drive I'm cloning. I will be doing it tonight on my laptop when I get back to the apartment. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwaymans perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: I don't need an MTA
Nuno Magalhães wrote: > Can i have a regular desktop Debian without an MTA? > yes. install 'nullmailer' via aptitude. i use it on my laptops. (haven't read all the posts yet, so someone might have already suggested this) Preston -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwaymans perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: wireless gui configuration utility
Micha Feigin wrote: > > My two problems with wicd (one of them is not an issue at the moment, but it > was) > > 1. the memory overhead of the client (why python? it's very good for daemons > and such, not very memory efficient) > root 4634 0.2 0.3 89776 7776 ?S00:51 3:23 python > /usr/share/wicd/wicd-daemon.py > root 4975 0.1 0.2 71264 5848 ?S00:51 1:17 python > /usr/share/wicd/monitor.py > micha 5440 0.0 1.1 197904 23068 ?Ss 00:57 0:37 python > /usr/share/wicd/wicd-client.py > > 2. It doesn't support vpn which network manager does > > on the other hand I couldn't find how to manually set an ip with network > manager and the wireless connection was very unstable (very frequent > disconnects requiring wireless system restarts to find the wireless network > again). > > So for the moment it's wicd for me (I have the memory to spare at the moment). > > I typically use wifi-radar for my wireless but tried wicd this weekend and it worked with no problems. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwaymans perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Speeding up Debian Boot
Dean Chester wrote: > Hi > Is there anyway i can speed up debians boot time. Its embarrassing that > Vista boots up quicker than debian. > Dean I use nullmailer instead of Exim since I don't need/want to run a mail server and I bring up my networks (wi-fi, lan) manually when I want them. I used bum to stop stuff I didn't feel I want and that helped also. My Toshiba laptop seems to boot in under 30 seconds now. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ Where the road takes me - a highwayman’s perspective http://www.prestonboyington.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Mounting an old external USB drive
S D wrote: > > Am trying to mount an old BusLink USB drive but can't determine what device > the USB drive is connected to, that is, the device that I'd pass to the mount > command. I tried "fdisk -l" but it only appears to show my other internal HDs. > check your dmesg output also. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: puseaudio in Debian - is it ready?
H.S. wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > >>> >> Right up until it doesn't. And when it doesn't, it's a severe pain to fix. > > I noticed that in FC9, the sound was working quite smoothly even when > the processor was quite busy (updating and installing stuff using yum). > This was a surprise to me. With as busy processor in Debian, I usually > get some sort an interruption in the sound. That prompted me to try out > pulseaudio in Debian too. Soon discovered it is pretty cumbersome to > install though. > i'm dealing with this issue now. i REALLY want to have my system set up so that multiple sound streams can play. currently my base ALSA setup doesn't allow that and it's annoying to have to kill one program to hear another's sound. now that i have some more time i am planning on getting serious about finding a good solution. keep in mind that i wasn't concerned about sound initially so i was lumbering under the idea that Pulseaudio would be my saving grace... which has not happened. so how do i setup my system to play multiple streams with ALSA? i'm sure it is being done by someone, but i couldn't find a simple guide to do so before i started this Pulseaudio adventure. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid
Bob Cox wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 12:11:06 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Preston Boyington wrote: As it stands, I press "/" enter my search criteria and then press "enter" to access the packages. Then I press "/" again and "enter" to go to the next found item. I don't know of a way to cycle through otherwise so if I miss a package I have to cycle through the whole list to get back to it. Something like the "previous" and "next" feature in how aptitude resolves dependencies would be nice. If there is already a means in place please let me know. Use 'n' to go to the next result, and 'N' for the previous one. (This last one is not particularly intuitive.) It's the same as in 'less' and 'vim' so is what many of us would expect. Ah, that's why I didn't know. I haven't used 'vim' much at all and I use 'less' for piping stuff into. Thanks for letting me know. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid
Daniel Burrows wrote: If you just mean that you have to learn the keystrokes ... that's probably not going to change; with the limited screen real estate on a terminal, I can't afford to put in buttons on everything. Although I haven't delved into aptitude as deeply as I probably should, I would like to have an easier (keystroke) way to cycle through the search. As it stands, I press "/" enter my search criteria and then press "enter" to access the packages. Then I press "/" again and "enter" to go to the next found item. I don't know of a way to cycle through otherwise so if I miss a package I have to cycle through the whole list to get back to it. Something like the "previous" and "next" feature in how aptitude resolves dependencies would be nice. If there is already a means in place please let me know. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid
Damon L. Chesser wrote: I think I will once more look it over, if for no other reason then Ron Johnson will not snicker at me. well i don't "know" Ron but given what i have read i wouldn't bet on that. :D I moved from apt-get to aptitude and now I don't even think about it anymore. This was a while back and it seemed like aptitude wanted to remove everything and start over. After a bit of research and some alcohol I dove in. Now I use aptitude in place of apt-get at the command line. Instead of: sudo apt-get install foo i do: sudo aptitude install foo there are a few differences in searching and the like, but i almost never use "apt-get" anymore. there's an (older) blog about it on my site that you could take a look at. it really needs updating, but might give you an idea of some of the differences. it's called "I've got a new Aptitude" -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: --
Frank McCormick wrote: well said, Frank. well said... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compiled madwifi module, how to 'reload' without rebooting
H.S. wrote: On a Debian Testing I just compiled the new module from madwifi-source. I've got to where I am using Module Assistant for this stuff. It is super easy and if you open a terminal and type "sudo m-a" you will be able to do everything you need in just a few minutes. check it out. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ping
Ron Johnson wrote: It appears that something blocked my l.d.o email for about 16 hours. It's all flowing now, though. maybe you need a gmail account... :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian/unstable: iceweasel segmentation fault
Bruno Voigt wrote: I just found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# cat /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc # which /dev/dsp wrapper to use ICEWEASEL_DSP="auto" I changed it to none and everything is fine now :-) lol, mine was different. for me i had to use: ICEWEASEL_SDP="auto" i think my problem was that Iceweasel was trying to use "psdsp" (Pulseaudio?) and i don't have that set up yet. i keep hoping that a meta package will automagically take care of it for me. :D anyway i opened a terminal and typed: sudo gedit /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc and changed the "psdsp" to "auto" and now it seems to work fine. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
auto update headers
why is it that after a round of updates via aptitude i have to go in and install things like linux-headers afterwards? how can i tell it to automatically update them along with the kernel? i was under the impression that if i had them installed then aptitude would update them as it does any other package. usually i need this on my laptop. i use module assistant to compile the madwifi and fglrx support. without the headers installing i lose wifi on reboot and have to go through several steps to get it working again (not difficult, just more trouble than i would think it should be). if the headers were automatically installed i could open a terminal, run m-a, and then have my network up in just a minute or so. thanks all, Preston -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Solved] Re: Unable to remove trousers (package!!!)
jpk wrote: I really hate this thread... Now I am sitting in a corner, crying like a little girl... ;) -- Julian Knauer yes, but it has brought so much joy to others. i even forwarded it to people not on list. :D Preston -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install a small graphic manager
abelahcene wrote: Hi, I have a miniPc, can't install the heavy gnome or kde on it . I want to install a just graphic , in fact I want to use it , just to display a window . Any small WM will be OK. i have Fluxbox running on a 133mhz/16mb compaq laptop. with gKrellm and a few scripts i use it quite often. So I have to install the system whitout X, and complete it with small X later, I don't know what are the required packages to run correctly the X. shouldn't be a problem. use aptitude to help yourself out when installing. just stay away from the meta packages if you are concerned about space. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sliding OT
Marc Shapiro wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/04/08 11:24, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 09:40:20AM -0500, Preston Boyington wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 12:13:09AM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/02/08 23:28, Marc Shapiro wrote: [snip] Wine is fermented from fruit. Distilled wine is brandy. Beer is fermented from grain. Distilled beer is whiskey. Corn beer? Technically, yes. Put it in your car and drive it. do so carefully and best as an additive... it will burn holes in the top of the pistons. :D Isn't Corn Beer the same as the standard Ethanol that is already added to gasoline? It obviously has ethanol in it, but -- like all beer -- it has a very low percentage of alcohol. That's why it must be distilled, no? Yes. At only 3% - 4% alcohol in beer, the remaining 96% - 97% is water and stuff that will coat and clog the inside of your cylinders. And it wouldn't mix well with gasoline. Not a good thing. Gasoline containing ethanol contains 10% pure ethanol. sorry, i was actually eluding to the "corn beer distilled into whiskey". i've noticed the same (or similar) effect of burning the holes into the pistons while using too much acetone. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sliding OT
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 12:13:09AM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/02/08 23:28, Marc Shapiro wrote: [snip] Wine is fermented from fruit. Distilled wine is brandy. Beer is fermented from grain. Distilled beer is whiskey. Corn beer? Technically, yes. Put it in your car and drive it. Doug. do so carefully and best as an additive... it will burn holes in the top of the pistons. :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [debian-user] How to copy a laptop HD?
Javier Vasquez wrote: I have an old laptop with a 10G HD...and changing the HD on the only IDE slot is getting less fun each time i really like using a livecd for these things and my current favorite is the gparted-clonezilla livecd. couple that with a usb laptop drive enclosure and things will be much easier for you. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Assumed bug in Debian Sid: monitor cannot be reconfigured with dpkg-reconfigure
Uwe Bugla wrote: I am running the latest Debian Lenny / Sid combination and wanted to adjust a workstation to another monitor. Traditionallly that works by the following command: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. If I run that command, the script ends up with the question whether to emulate a 3-button mouse or not. Can someone reading this reproduce this bug? Can you please fix it? I can verify the same. after running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' we could reconfigure keyboard and mouse but nothing else. the xorg.conf file says something like "pre-configured device" (not at machine currently) for monitor and video card. my question is where are the actual configuration settings located if they are no longer in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? i want to help set up a friends ATI video card and i normally edit the xorg.conf file to load the modules for 3D output. i thought my friend was crazy last night when i was trying to help him over the phone and he couldn't find the xorg.config section i was telling him to go to. now i will have to buy him a beer or something... :-/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade failure
Manu Hack wrote: Hi, I decided to upgrade my etch box to lenny/sid but an apt-get dist-upgrade got stuck. Please let me know what could be done here. Thanks a lot. Manu i wonder if you could do this: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libbonobo2-common_2.22.0-1_all.deb i've had to use --force-overwrite from time to time... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: difficulties updating Etch
Daniel Burrows wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 07:31:21AM -0500, Preston Boyington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: actually you can do: apt-get --dry-run and it will show you exactly what will happen. since i have started using aptitude for my package manager i now try to use: aptitude --simulate install foo of course all this is done with the 'sudo' command. There's no need to run "aptitude -s" as a superuser, and I would recommend against it in order to avoid accidental slipups... whoops, i meant all _installs_ done with the sudo command. i got ahead of myself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: difficulties updating Etch
Mumia W.. wrote: On 05/15/2008 07:29 PM, Celejar wrote: Nitpick - the apt-get command doesn't need to be run as superuser if it's just printing uris. :-O Why you're right! Now I might be able to use apt-get to experiment with potential changes without damaging the system. Thanks. actually you can do: apt-get --dry-run and it will show you exactly what will happen. since i have started using aptitude for my package manager i now try to use: aptitude --simulate install foo of course all this is done with the 'sudo' command. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how th generate like oficial site from packages (or CD's)
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Indeed, reprepro is a lot better, I tried it yesterday, and faster too. I invoke reprepro from a C++ program to generate a local mirror of all the packages that a system contains, generated by dpkg-repack, if anybody is interested. Hugo I am very interested. How can I get more information? Preston -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: want to speed up laptop
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: xfce used to use gtk1. It now uses gtk2 which is far more bloated which makes it slower. It also uses more memory... Icewm does not, and OpenBox may not either. You could try those. currently i use FVWM-Crystal as my default desktop environment with Fluxbox as my "secondary". i _really_ like FVWM-Crystal now after i finally took the time to set it up. it gives me just enough 'eye candy' without the bloat. other than the quake terminal i use xfce4-terminal for most everything. largely for the configuration options and especially since it won't annoy me when i press 'F10' while using midnight commander. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Installation Process ?s
Rick Kalkowski wrote: I've got an old WinXP lap-top I'd like to resurrect for my son to use What is the brand and model of the laptop? places like: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ are usually a good place to start. > When I crank up the PC now, it's asking me for an admin password (that's been long since forgotten). I would wager if it is a BIOS password there should be some way to reset it. a little more information would help us... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inspiron b120 wireless
Celejar wrote: What's the chipset (appropriate excerpt of 'lspci')?... If nothing shows with 'lspci' then also try 'lsusb'. I have found that some cards show up as a USB device (Realtek nics on some Toshiba laptops comes to mind). -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
indefinitely hold a package
Since I have been having an issue with the current xorg blowing the display on this HP dv5000 laptop, I wanted to keep the currently installed (stable) version. Is there a way that I can let aptitude update everything else without having to worry about it automatically selecting xorg packages to be upgraded as well? I am using the "hold" feature currently, but it seems that I am having to go through several steps when I open or update aptitude because I have to reapply the hold feature each time. (There is an example of the issue I am having on my website) Thanks all, Preston -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
external drive as partial mirror
I have been given an external drive and was wondering if there would be a problem with my making it a partial mirror. Does the mirror require any particular permissions or can I leave the drive Fat32? Has anyone done this from a Windows machine and could maybe give me some examples? Thanks, Preston -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
acidrip not showing status
i run debian testing and noticed today that acidrip is not showing any status / progress in either the "full" or "compact" views. since it seems to work very well otherwise i am wondering if it is a permission issue or something relatively simple to fix. any help will be appreciated. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Could you recommend file manager that are not based on KDE and GNOME?
Serena Cantor wrote: I have used Linux for 8 years. I have not found any suitable file manager(FM). I use twm. I don't use KDE or GNOME. so don't recommend any FM based on KDE or GNOME I still use command line. I will prefer GUI FM so my life can be a little easier. I use sarge and etch. ROX Thunar Midnight Commander -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended webcam?
Bruno Boettcher wrote: > so what webcam are > there that are easy to get working under debian with more appropriate > resolution and framerate? as a quick update i have just got a Logitech QuickCam Pro for Notebooks working with ekiga and luvcview. the beta of Skype is giving me some video errors, but the built in microphone is working great. i am hoping to get it fully working with Skype as i have time this weekend. i also have a Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision, but in quick tests it was detected and only the microphone was usable. again that will be a project for a different day as i really want this camera to work. oh, am running Debian laptop with 2.6.22 kernel and V4L2 drivers thus far. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended webcam?
steve wrote: > Bruno Boettcher wrote: >> i want to play around with ip-telephony and thus need a webcam... >> so what webcam are there that are easy to get working under debian? > > http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ > > drivers for logitech, well known, well supported, and widely available > hardware. also take a look at: http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ and even: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeWebCams i have found both sites helpful. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-Get or Aptitude
Daniel Burrows wrote: > > Identical behavior to apt-get has never been a goal for me, so the > answer is almost certainly "yes". (not that I gratuitously break > apt-get compatibility; it's just not something I track one way or the > other unless I get bug reports) > one thing i noticed from my recent switch was the difference between how apt does searches: apt-cache search foo and how aptitude (non curses) does the search: aptitude search ~dfoo with aptitude i need to add the "~d" before my criteria to be sure it looks in the package descriptions. i only find it odd because i would have expected it to maybe be like so: aptitude search -d foo not an issue, just a difference that i though was not as intuitive as it could have been. that said, thank you very much for this wonderful package. my transition to it was flawless on my mixed source laptop and i am gaining comfort with the curses interface daily. -- Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash... http://www.arrantdrivel.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian may lose a user
Kent West wrote: > > Girl-Friend. (I used to understand the concept of girlfriends better > before Debian came along ) > ...that lives in another town and can't come to dance (prom, graduation, party) because she always seems to get sick or help her parents. :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: efficiency of windows managers
didier gaumet wrote: > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:59:56 -0500, Preston Boyington wrote: > > [...] >> and fyi, i use debian with fluxbox on my P133, 16mb, compaq laptop. :D > > Hello Preston, > > what version of debian are you talking about? On a P133, 32MB, Dell Laptop > it seemed to me that the last Debian version usable (speed...) was Potato. > actually i am using Woody on that particular machine with a 2.4 kernel. at the moment i forget "why" i went with Woody... maybe at the time it was "testing"? probably in the near future i will go a "debian from scratch" route and see how well i can get the little thing working. i no longer use it for my day-to-day and now it sees most of its time wirelessly streaming music from my server. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: efficiency of windows managers
Javier Vasquez wrote: > > Don't know about windowMaker, but you might try: > > fluxbox > icewm > pekwm > fvwm2 > > You might find some pretty light, and some besides offering lots of > fun and good looking features... I use fluxbox and a machine with > 512M main, and 64M ati-rage is performing pretty well... > I am also a fluxbox fan, but recently I have started playing with fvwm-crystal (http://fvwm-crystal.org/) on my Toshiba laptop and it is pretty nice. and fyi, i use debian with fluxbox on my P133, 16mb, compaq laptop. :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firefox \ Iceweasel Differences?
Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote: > What changed is the name and logo in compilation time, nothing else also be aware that some extensions don't like Iceweasel as opposed to FireFox or SwiftFox. this will hopefully change in the near future since i suspect that it is looking for some type of "signature" or browser ID to be passed along. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: odd apt error
On 1/25/06, Stephen Cormier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 25 January 2006 21:52, Stephen Cormier wrote: > That would be dpkg -i > --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libiec61883-0_1.0.0-0.1_i386.deb > > Stephen > -- thanks to all. had to do it a couple of times but no problems with any updates since then.
odd apt error
Would someone mind helping me with this? I was doing an update/upgrade and it keeps dying with this error message: Unpacking libiec61883-0 (from .../libiec61883-0_1.0.0-0.1_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libiec61883-0_1.0.0-0.1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libiec61883.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libiec61883 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libiec61883-0_1.0.0-0.1_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) maybe there is a way to skip this file and let it upgrade the rest?
Re: Debian "install server" setup
On 9/13/05, antgel wrote: > > If you attempt to install a package not cached, it downloads it on the > fly. Not sure if that's what you want. > > It seems that apt-proxy will work for what I want at home on my machines since I will install much of the same software on all machines. Thanks to everyone that helped. Preston
Re: Debian "install server" setup
On 9/12/05, Mark Lijftogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Because you told us that it is for home use only I don't see any use in > FAI, or getting the whole shabang that Debian has to offer. Over 15.000 > packages downloaded, and at the most 1000 used if you are totally lost > and out of luck. > > Thank you and I will start looking at apt-proxy. Most likely I won't (currently) need anything more than apt-proxy. BUT, when I decide to open my connection to others (I am one of the few that has more than dial-up in my area) what will I need to do to allow them to install/update from my LAN? It won't happen for a while (two months at least) so I will have plenty of time to study up on what is needed. (seriously, I am not trying to be difficult. I just don't have anyone else to ask) Preston
Re: Debian "install server" setup
antgel to debian-user wrote: > Perhaps I missed the point, but don't you want to use apt-proxy for > offering this service? I was under the impression that apt-proxy was used for serving packages that one had downloaded for a particular machine. So if I had downloaded "pingus" for my child it would be available, but a package not previously installed would need to be downloaded from the internet like normal. Can I use apt-proxy with debmirror (I am mirroring Woody, Stable, Testing, and Unstable for three architectures) for my local mirror? I promise I am not trying to be difficult, this is just an area I have never looked into and I am not sure about the best way to proceed. I have also received an email saying that I might want to look into using a local FTP server, so I will add that to my list of possibilities. How are others accessing their local network mirrors? Preston
Re: Debian "install server" setup
On 9/12/05, Mark Lijftogt wrote: > I would start with FAI if I would be doing 1 installs a week. Anything > below that would need some carefull thought, simply because it is a lot > of work to set it up and to maintain your profiles that you create. I am > not sure if that is what you want. > > Now, by "serving" I'm a bit lost. Apache is an webserver, and I'm not > sure where you want to go with "serving" debian or other distibutions > with apache. > What do you want to exactly? I want to take a computer and by using a netinst cdrom (or USB key) point the apt.sources to my server and have it install from my local mirror. Then I want that computer to look at the local server for updates. Apache was suggested so I could probably create a "deb http://localdebianserver.com/mirror/pool/"; entry in my apt.sources list and have the mirror directory shared. I don't have any experience with Apache, so I don't know if that is possible or how to go about it yet (if it is even the best solution). Ideally, I will find a solution that will be easy to initiate and as secure as possible. (apologies if this shows up odd. I am having trouble with my webmail)
Debian "install server" setup
I have successfully used Debmirror (thanks to all responders) to create a local mirror and now I want to use it for my home network. I have been reading up on a FAI server and have also had suggested to me to use Apache to serve Debian (and a couple of other) distros. The server is on a private network, is low powered (PII 266), and will only serve about 8 machines update needs. As I have no experience with this, any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Preston
Gnome panel already running - error message
After a recent update (I am running Unstable) I receive an error message at GNOME startup that states that there is already a panel running. Once GNOME finishes starting it offers me a box to "ok", but how can I tell it to only open one panel to begin with? Where do I edit this configuration? Thanks, Preston
Re: woody netinst
On 09 Aug 2005 20:24:33 -0400, dzpost wrote: > Are there net-install CD images for Woody still available somewhere? > I found the floppy boot disk images, but not CD images. > > My /usr partition got hosed before I got around to upgrading to > sarge. I'd like to reinstall woody so I can restore the system to its > previous state before upgrading. The only alternative I can think of > is to install sarge from scratch, then manually choose all the same > packages as I had installed before. Quite a pain! > > Or is there a way to safely use my old /var/lib/dpkg/status file with > a clean sarge installation? > > Thanks for any help. > > -David > Maybe you could try: dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt which will save a list of all installed packages and their status, and: dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt then install the system with: apt-get install If all you want is the same packages in a re-install then this will most likely work (even if you want to install the same packages on a different system). As far as a Woody net-install CD, prehaps you could try something like Bonzai Linux. I seem to remember that it is a "tweaked" Woody net-install cd. Google should turn up something on Bonzai. Good luck, Preston
Re: Personal Debian mirror
From: Bob Proulx >You should be able to point your sources.list there to retrieve them. I am currently looking through the FAI server material, but was wondering if I could just use SAMBA since it is a public share? Would this be a case of: deb file:/debmirror/debian/ stable main contrib or would I need to do some type of "smbmount" for apt to install/update my packages? (Still looking at my options for the simplest way of accessing the mirror from our network. Suggestions very much appreciated.) Thanks, Preston
Re: External USB and dirvish -- getting error
From: [KS] To: Debian User > >Hi, > >I run nightly backups on my external USB drive using dirvish and it has >been working perfectly since the last few days when I started them. >However, when I went to work on the machine this morning, I heard some >wierd noise and noticed that the external USB was the cause of the >noise. Usually, it spins down after a few mintues of activity but today >it is spinning and making a noise. > >I checked the processes and to my surprise dirvish was still running. On >checking the syslog I have repeated listings, > >Aug 4 06:58:06 localhost kernel: SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = >0x600 >Aug 4 06:58:06 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sda, >sector 276642847 >Aug 4 06:58:06 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda2, >logical block 21473324 >Aug 4 06:58:06 localhost kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on sda2 > >What should be the correct method to stop dirvish now? Do I just kill >the process! > >I had upgraded the kernle to 2.6.12 a few days ago. Could it be due to >that? But I have a feeling that it could be something else as the >backups were done when I checked yesterday morning. > >/KS > You should check the drive. It looks like the drive stopped responding. If the noise sounds like "clip clop" or "tick tock" then the drive is (most likely) going bad. If this is the case then replace the drive and try it again. I wouldn't think that the software is your problem unless the USB "timed out" somehow. Preston
Personal Debian mirror
I have come to the point of needing / wanting my own partial Debian mirror (amd64 and i386). I've been reading about debmirror but when I tried it my mirror didn't look quite like what I thought it should. All the packages were dumped into folders under "pool/" and folders it created such as "stable", "unstable", and "woody" were essentially empty. (Now I am trying an rsync string to see what the difference will be.) I was wondering if other people could give me some feedback on how they did their mirrors. What commands did you use and where are there some good howto's on doing it as efficiently as possible? Also, since I don't want to mirror the ISO files I was wondering how difficult it would be to use something like jigdo to create the disks from my own mirror? Thanks, Preston
RE: Sarge with lilo?
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Preston Boyington wrote: >> Andreas Janssen wrote: >> >> >> It happens when Grub starts to boot my system. I see the following: >> >> root (hd0,0) >> kernel /boot/vmlinz-2.6.8-1-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro >> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-1-386 >> savedefault >> boot >> >> after that, nothing. >> >> > > Why not boot CD#1 again, do expert, and select lilo? > > Hugo. That's what I (basically) did this last time (except I used an up-to-date netinst cdrom for the base install). I was hoping to figure out the glitch in the setup with Grub since that seems to be the "default" bootloader now, but I don't have the time to devote to it (and who needs to reboot that often anyway?). Also, for my setup I had to use a combination of the 2.4 kernel and Lilo. The 2.6 and Lilo/Grub didn't work and the 2.4 with Grub didn't work. Strange, but it's an old(er) laptop (Gateway Solo 1150) and the install was almost painless. Thanks everyone. Preston
RE: Sarge with lilo?
Andreas Janssen wrote: > Hello > > Preston Boyington (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > >> I've been trying off and on to install Sarge onto a Gateway Solo 1150 >> laptop without great success. Each time I would complete the >> install, the computer would reboot, and the laptop would hang at >> GRUB's boot loader. Since I know that the installer is still >> evolving, I didn't think much of it. >> >> Well after trying the latest netinst and Official Snapshot cdrom 1 >> today (again without total sucess) I decided to try an older Woody >> netinst cdrom I had. Long story short it installed very quick and >> painless. I am wondering now if it was just the difference between >> LiLo and GRUB. >> >> If this is the case how would I go about finding out why GRUB doesn't >> seem to work? > > The Sarge installer (at least the version I used, on DVD) > allowes you to > choose between Grub and Lilo. Maybe you have to select expert mode to > make that choice available. > > I am also not sure when exactly your Sarge hang - at the Grub screen, > or the moment you tried to boot the system from Grub. If the > latter is the > case, then it is maybe a kernel problem. > > best regards > Andreas Janssen > It happens when Grub starts to boot my system. I see the following: root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinz-2.6.8-1-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-1-386 savedefault boot after that, nothing.
Sarge with lilo?
I've been trying off and on to install Sarge onto a Gateway Solo 1150 laptop without great success. Each time I would complete the install, the computer would reboot, and the laptop would hang at GRUB's boot loader. Since I know that the installer is still evolving, I didn't think much of it. Well after trying the latest netinst and Official Snapshot cdrom 1 today (again without total sucess) I decided to try an older Woody netinst cdrom I had. Long story short it installed very quick and painless. I am wondering now if it was just the difference between LiLo and GRUB. If this is the case how would I go about finding out why GRUB doesn't seem to work? Thanks all, Preston
RE: USB Generic Drive Storage
Ryan Waye wrote: > Hello, > > I am attempting to use a USB Flash drive on my 2.6.7 Linux box. > Debian seems to detect it, here is the entry from > /proc/bus/usb/devices file: > So it appears to have been detected, but how do I access it? > > Sincerely, > Ryan Waye maybe try as root: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
Sarge install hangs on reboot
I am trying to install Sarge on a Gateway Solo 1150 laptop and it is hanging after I reboot. Specifically it hangs on bootup when I see "boot" on the screen. I am using the Sarge disks (downloaded iso's) from debian.org and there doesn't seem to be a problem with the initial base install or hardware detection. I have Librenet (2.7?) installed on the machine currently, but was planning on a re-partition and a fresh Sarge install. Anyone have a guess as to what I can try? Thanks, Preston
RE: Real Debian LiveCD?
Paul Johnson wrote: > > Since when is Debian based on Morphix? not Debian. Debian-NP. it's a Custom Debian Distribution (CCD) for non-profits. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-nonprofit/ information on the Bootable CD is here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-nonprofit/News/2003/20031129
Real Debian LiveCD?
I am involved with a project that is (currently) using Knoppix as a base for a LiveCD. The end result of the project is having a "trial" cdrom that can then be installed as a real Debian system. I know that there are projects like Morphix (which is what the Debian Non-Profit is based on) and that there are several tutorials on converting Knoppix/Morphix into a Debian system, but is there a better "variant" out there? Thanks, Preston
RE: LAN APT-GET ?
Grant wrote: > Hey, > > Just wondering if i was to download all debian woody cd's > could i copy > the contents to a folder on my Intranet server and use that as an > apt-get source... as every UK apt-get source seems to give me errors > or is missing parts. > > It would only be for LAN access and would be accessable from > a url like > http://server1/debian > > Thanks > Grant. see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#lan-install for the information.. It will tell you how to set up the apt sources for iso images from your LAN. it's something like: deb http://192.138.1.1/cd1/ stable main contrib deb http://192.168.1.1/cd2/ stable main contrib also check out www.apt-got.com, debmirror, anonftpsync, and of course http://www.debian.org/mirror/ as they will be able to answer most questions. Preston
RE: Best iso image for unstable
Joris Huizer wrote: > > As far as I know, there are *no* debian/unstable iso images (it'd be a > nightmare to keep those updated... ) Sarge has (currently) 13 disks. Look on Debian.org for links to the images (I think under "CD Images" or some such). I've had to go this route only because I don't have a good internet access at home. I am going to use them to set up a local "mirror" and rsync it once every couple of weeks from a friends house. > Just use an debian/woody or debian/sarge iso, let it install the basic > system I would agree. The latest Net-Installer is great if you have a fast connection (it's also manageable on dialup if you are patient) and install it that way. Preston
Home Debian "Mirror"
I would like to set up a home "mirror" (i386 archive) to run my installs from. I am on dial-up and a friend has offered to download the 13 CDs of Sarge for me to help get started. What is the best way to take the CDs and "convert" them into a working APT archive? Is this something I would use apt-mirror for, or is there another program? This is new territory for me, so if someone could point to a good howto I would appreciate it very much. Thanks for the time. Preston
RE: Resize partitions urgent help
David Baron wrote: > When I bought a big disk, I put in several Windows paritions and a > Linux one. No sweat, installed Knoppix and onwards. If I get around > to dividing Linux things up, I will probably use it again. I have moved to using QTParted. It's on the Knoppix cdrom and works very well. Just open a terminal, type "su" and then "qtparted" (no quotes of course). I like using a LiveCD to repartition my drives, rather than a program that is installed on a drive. It always seemed like trouble waiting to happen when I used a program to partition the disk it was running on.
RE: dpkg/apt question
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > > Is there any particular reason that you don't want to use aptitude or > dselect to interactively change the installed packages? > > -- > monique sorry, there was more to the story than i guess i led you to believe. here's a bit more information. the existing debian box that i was given is basically a test machine. the company wanted to see if there was an efficient way of getting machines used here to a "baseline" setup. if this could be done without reinstalling then we could keep the machines running Debian. if not, then another distribution would be chosen (i don't pretend to understand the reasoning for their thinking about changing). wanting to establish a "baseline" for the packages we took a fresh box, loaded only what would be used, and generated a package list. using the commands with the generated package list: dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt apt-get dselect-upgrade we showed how easy it was to totally change the test bed of machines (initially one, then five). we are now going to roll out these changes to all our machines in this complex (30+) and another 15-20 machines in two satellite offices. thanks all, Preston
dpkg/apt question
i have "inherited" an existing debian box and want to change the packages to suit me and the office that it will now be used. i would like to take the installed packages listed from: dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt and edit the file to reflect what i actually want/need on the box. after i get the edited list prepared, is there a command i can issue that will instruct apt or dpkg to add/remove the programs to reflect my changes? on a fresh install i would do: dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt then: apt-get install but i don't know the command to do this from a existing setup. would someone shed some light on this for me? thanks, Preston
sources url wanted
recently there was a post in which someone posted a url to their apt sources.list. the one i saw began as such: # # My source.list that covers all versions of Debian # usually uptodate, some backups are present if some fail # which do on occasion. Usually a 3rd party site. # would someone mind posting this address again so i can update my bookmarks? thanks, preston
RE: Console only box?
David Haughton wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: > >> David Haughton wrote: >> >>> Then you have "elm" and "lynx" for email and web and that's pretty >>> much all you need, eh? >> >> >> s/elmg/mutt/ >> s/lynx/links/ >> > > I still prefer lynx over links (or links2 or whatever). agreed. and i use mp3blaster for my oggs/cds/mp3 audio...
RE: PPP config with external modem
John Hasler wrote: : Preston writes: :: This weekend I installed a base Debian system using the new :: installer. My only "problem" is after using pppconfig to setup my :: external modem it will activate the modem (dial and apparently :: connect) but I can't get apt-setup to connect to any sources to :: download programs. : : Tell us _exactly_ what you did and _exactly_ what happened. Try 'ping : www.debian.org' and 'ping 192.25.206.10'. :: I "su" in to "pon" my provider... : : You wouldn't need to do that if you had added your non-root : user as a ppp : user. In pppconfig do 'Change->->Provider->Advanced->Add : User' and follow : instructions. : tried the "add user" feature and was not able to initiate "pon" unless i was root (will verify when i get home). :: ...but can't "poff" without changing into the /usr/sbin/ directory :: and intitating the command there. : : Looks like 'poff' is in /usr/sbin (it should be in /usr/bin) : and PATH is : not correct. : i will double check, but i am almost sure i was in /usr/sbin instead of /usr/bin (will verify when i get home) :: I am wondering if it may have something to do with DHCP that was :: setup during the install. : : No, but why was DHCP set up? Do you need it? It has nothing : to do with : dialup. : it (installer) automagically configures DHCP if a network card is present (unless run as "expert") :: How do I change it to a static IP address and try it that way? : : Pppd takes care of its own IP numbers. DHCP is not involved. : : : -- : John Hasler : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Dancing Horse Hill : Elmwood, Wisconsin : :
PPP config with external modem
This weekend I installed a base Debian system using the new installer. My only "problem" is after using pppconfig to setup my external modem it will activate the modem (dial and apparently connect) but I can't get apt-setup to connect to any sources to download programs. I "su" in to "pon" my provider, but can't "poff" without changing into the /usr/sbin/ directory and intitating the command there. I am wondering if it may have something to do with DHCP that was setup during the install. How do I change it to a static IP address and try it that way? Have others experienced something similar? I will Google as time allows today, but I hope someone has some pointers to pass along. Thanks, Preston
RE: What is the minimum RAM needed for 2.4?
> > Seems the 2.4.18-1.586tsc or maybe 2.4.18-1.686 packages are what you > need (if you use Woody). > how up to date are the patches in the kernel from debian.org? i've never patched a kernel, so it will be something new/fun to do. i am planning on compiling a kernel next, wish me luck. Preston -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is the minimum RAM needed for 2.4?
I haven't seen a minimum, but I was wondering since there are a couple of 133's here with 32meg of ram that I want to update. They are currently running kernel 2.2.20 which I want to upgrade to whatever is the latest kernel-image available (adding a wireless card to one and it was suggested I upgrade the kernel). Also, are any "gotchas" I need to be aware of with this kernel migration? Current Googling only speaks of adding a line in /etc/lilo.conf to say "initrd=/initrd.img" (sans quotes) but I am still looking. Worst case I want to be able to boot the old kernel if I fudge up the 2.4 install. Thanks all, Preston -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
netgear/linksys/microsoft wireless pcmcia card? (also a quick apt .conf question...)
i am in need of a wireless card for an older laptop running woody 3.0. i have three different brands available in my area (netgear, linksys, microsoft), although i possibly could order a card in the two week's time available to me before i _have_ to have it. i currently use a cabled 10/100 netgear card, and had no trouble with it so it (netgear) is currently my top choice (if i don't hear otherwise). i have heard good things about an oronico (sp?) silver/gold card, but haven't seen them on a shelf anywhere (office depot, office max, wal-mart). also, the company will be using a proxy server (if i understood correctly) and is willing to let me do my "linux update thing" (sysadmin's words) if i can go through their server. i believe i just need to create a apt.conf file in /etc/apt/ and place http_proxy=192.168.1.100:8080 (or whatever their proxy and port is) inside. is this correct? thanks for the information, preston -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
