Re: SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Sanford Whiteman
> I made these changes and restarted services.

> But then I stopped receiving emails.

Try  implementing  the  DAISYCHAIN  function  as  follows:

(a) COPY SMTP32.EXE to SMTP32.EXB (this step just for backup)

(b) RENAME SMTP32.EXE to IPSMTP32.EXE

(c) COPY DECLUDE.EXE to SMTP32.EXE

(d) Add the DAISYCHAIN directive as described earlier

In  other  words,  do  *not*  make  the  Registry  change,  nor rename
DECLUDE.EXE.  I  do  not believe these steps were part of the standard
procedure  (and  I was the person who originally suggested DAISYCHAIN,
so I do have lots of experience implementing it).

-Sandy



Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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RE: SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread John Tolmachoff
First and foremost, look in the web log and see what account they are using
and shut that account off.

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cunningham
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?
> 
> The reverse dns is because of a nat'ing scheme we have behind two
firewalls and a
> load director (posts in the past have already described our config).
> 
> The freaking SpamCop is because I apparently have Spammers sending an
> incredible amount of spam through our web messaging (i.e. bypassing hijack
and
> why I'm posting it as an issue).  How is that even possible?
> 
> b
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Eje Gustafsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:27:20 -0600
> 
> >Not besides that your listed yourself in spamcop and that you need to
> >take a look at the logs to see what's in them and/or show them to us
> >so we can see what is failing.
> >
> >I see a couple of things right of.
> >1) no reverse DNS for 208.253.112.168 which is your sending ip for you
> >mailserver.
> >2) your subnet is listed with numerous spam lists.
> >DELINK, SPAMCOP, XBL, HEUR1, REVDNS, SPAMCHK, IPNOTINMX,
> Reverse-IP
> >
> >- Eje
> >
> >Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 9:15:11 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >BC> Scott,
> >
> >BC> I made these changes and restarted services.
> >
> >BC> But then I stopped receiving emails.
> >
> >BC> When I reverted back, I'm now receiving emails again.
> >
> >BC> Any thoughts?
> >
> >BC> Thanks.
> >
> >BC> b
> >
> >BC> -- Original Message --
> >BC> From: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >BC> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >BC> Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:19:28 -0500
> >
> >>>
> I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through
web
> messaging (god knows how they are sending that much email through web
> messaging) under several IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I
blocked
> those IP's within Imail "Control Access".
> >>>
> >>>Ah, that explains what is going on.  That's the first time I've seen
> >>>serious spammers try to send E-mail through web messaging.
> >>>
> How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?
> >>>
> >>>It is possible to do this, by having the declude.exe file act as the
> >>>smtp32.exe file, so that Declude can intercept the web messaging
E-mail.
> >>>
> >>>This is done by renaming the smtp32.exe file to ipsmtp.exe, renaming
the
> >>>declude.exe file to smtp32.exe, using a "DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe" line in
the
> >>>hijack.cfg file.
> >>>
> >>>Then, you need to use regedit to change the
> >>>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ipswitch\IMail\Global\SendName value to
> point
> >>>to smtp32.exe instead of declude.com, and finally stop/restart the
IMail
> >>>SMTP service so that IMail will recognize the change
> >>> -Scott
> >>>
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Re: SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
The reverse dns is because of a nat'ing scheme we have behind two firewalls and a load 
director (posts in the past have already described our config).

The freaking SpamCop is because I apparently have Spammers sending an incredible 
amount of spam through our web messaging (i.e. bypassing hijack and why I'm posting it 
as an issue).  How is that even possible?

b



-- Original Message --
From: Eje Gustafsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:27:20 -0600

>Not besides that your listed yourself in spamcop and that you need to
>take a look at the logs to see what's in them and/or show them to us
>so we can see what is failing.
>
>I see a couple of things right of.
>1) no reverse DNS for 208.253.112.168 which is your sending ip for you
>mailserver.
>2) your subnet is listed with numerous spam lists.
>DELINK, SPAMCOP, XBL, HEUR1, REVDNS, SPAMCHK, IPNOTINMX, Reverse-IP
>
>- Eje
>
>Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 9:15:11 PM, you wrote:
>
>BC> Scott,
>
>BC> I made these changes and restarted services.
>
>BC> But then I stopped receiving emails.
>
>BC> When I reverted back, I'm now receiving emails again.
>
>BC> Any thoughts?
>
>BC> Thanks.
>
>BC> b
>
>BC> -- Original Message --
>BC> From: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>BC> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>BC> Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:19:28 -0500
>
>>>
I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web 
messaging (god knows how they are sending that much email through web 
messaging) under several IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked 
those IP's within Imail "Control Access".
>>>
>>>Ah, that explains what is going on.  That's the first time I've seen 
>>>serious spammers try to send E-mail through web messaging.
>>>
How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?
>>>
>>>It is possible to do this, by having the declude.exe file act as the 
>>>smtp32.exe file, so that Declude can intercept the web messaging E-mail.
>>>
>>>This is done by renaming the smtp32.exe file to ipsmtp.exe, renaming the 
>>>declude.exe file to smtp32.exe, using a "DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe" line in the 
>>>hijack.cfg file.
>>>
>>>Then, you need to use regedit to change the 
>>>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ipswitch\IMail\Global\SendName value to point 
>>>to smtp32.exe instead of declude.com, and finally stop/restart the IMail 
>>>SMTP service so that IMail will recognize the change
>>> -Scott
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>
>Best regards,
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Re: SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Not besides that your listed yourself in spamcop and that you need to
take a look at the logs to see what's in them and/or show them to us
so we can see what is failing.

I see a couple of things right of.
1) no reverse DNS for 208.253.112.168 which is your sending ip for you
mailserver.
2) your subnet is listed with numerous spam lists.
DELINK, SPAMCOP, XBL, HEUR1, REVDNS, SPAMCHK, IPNOTINMX, Reverse-IP

- Eje

Wednesday, March 26, 2003, 9:15:11 PM, you wrote:

BC> Scott,

BC> I made these changes and restarted services.

BC> But then I stopped receiving emails.

BC> When I reverted back, I'm now receiving emails again.

BC> Any thoughts?

BC> Thanks.

BC> b

BC> -- Original Message --
BC> From: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
BC> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BC> Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:19:28 -0500

>>
>>>I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web 
>>>messaging (god knows how they are sending that much email through web 
>>>messaging) under several IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked 
>>>those IP's within Imail "Control Access".
>>
>>Ah, that explains what is going on.  That's the first time I've seen 
>>serious spammers try to send E-mail through web messaging.
>>
>>>How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?
>>
>>It is possible to do this, by having the declude.exe file act as the 
>>smtp32.exe file, so that Declude can intercept the web messaging E-mail.
>>
>>This is done by renaming the smtp32.exe file to ipsmtp.exe, renaming the 
>>declude.exe file to smtp32.exe, using a "DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe" line in the 
>>hijack.cfg file.
>>
>>Then, you need to use regedit to change the 
>>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ipswitch\IMail\Global\SendName value to point 
>>to smtp32.exe instead of declude.com, and finally stop/restart the IMail 
>>SMTP service so that IMail will recognize the change
>> -Scott
>>
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>>
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SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
Scott,

I made these changes and restarted services.

But then I stopped receiving emails.

When I reverted back, I'm now receiving emails again.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

b

-- Original Message --
From: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:19:28 -0500

>
>>I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web 
>>messaging (god knows how they are sending that much email through web 
>>messaging) under several IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked 
>>those IP's within Imail "Control Access".
>
>Ah, that explains what is going on.  That's the first time I've seen 
>serious spammers try to send E-mail through web messaging.
>
>>How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?
>
>It is possible to do this, by having the declude.exe file act as the 
>smtp32.exe file, so that Declude can intercept the web messaging E-mail.
>
>This is done by renaming the smtp32.exe file to ipsmtp.exe, renaming the 
>declude.exe file to smtp32.exe, using a "DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe" line in the 
>hijack.cfg file.
>
>Then, you need to use regedit to change the 
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ipswitch\IMail\Global\SendName value to point 
>to smtp32.exe instead of declude.com, and finally stop/restart the IMail 
>SMTP service so that IMail will recognize the change
> -Scott
>
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread R. Scott Perry

I've got you up until the "DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe" point.

Do you want me to rename the two files and then add the daisychain line 
above to the config file of hijack?
That is correct.

> Will renaming declude.exe to smtp32.exe cause problems with junkmail or 
virus?

No.

> Do I need to rename or make a copy of declude.exe as renamed?

It's best to rename it, just to make sure there isn't any confusion.
  -Scott
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SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
Will renaming declude.exe to smtp32.exe cause problems with junkmail or virus?

Do I need to rename or make a copy of declude.exe as renamed?

b

-- Original Message --
From: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:19:28 -0500

>
>>I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web 
>>messaging (god knows how they are sending that much email through web 
>>messaging) under several IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked 
>>those IP's within Imail "Control Access".
>
>Ah, that explains what is going on.  That's the first time I've seen 
>serious spammers try to send E-mail through web messaging.
>
>>How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?
>
>It is possible to do this, by having the declude.exe file act as the 
>smtp32.exe file, so that Declude can intercept the web messaging E-mail.
>
>This is done by renaming the smtp32.exe file to ipsmtp.exe, renaming the 
>declude.exe file to smtp32.exe, using a "DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe" line in the 
>hijack.cfg file.
>
>Then, you need to use regedit to change the 
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ipswitch\IMail\Global\SendName value to point 
>to smtp32.exe instead of declude.com, and finally stop/restart the IMail 
>SMTP service so that IMail will recognize the change
> -Scott
>
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SPAMCOP:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
I've got you up until the "DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe" point.

Do you want me to rename the two files and then add the daisychain line above to the 
config file of hijack?

Thanks.

b

-- Original Message --
From: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:19:28 -0500

>
>>I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web 
>>messaging (god knows how they are sending that much email through web 
>>messaging) under several IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked 
>>those IP's within Imail "Control Access".
>
>Ah, that explains what is going on.  That's the first time I've seen 
>serious spammers try to send E-mail through web messaging.
>
>>How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?
>
>It is possible to do this, by having the declude.exe file act as the 
>smtp32.exe file, so that Declude can intercept the web messaging E-mail.
>
>This is done by renaming the smtp32.exe file to ipsmtp.exe, renaming the 
>declude.exe file to smtp32.exe, using a "DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe" line in the 
>hijack.cfg file.
>
>Then, you need to use regedit to change the 
>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ipswitch\IMail\Global\SendName value to point 
>to smtp32.exe instead of declude.com, and finally stop/restart the IMail 
>SMTP service so that IMail will recognize the change
> -Scott
>
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread R. Scott Perry

I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web 
messaging (god knows how they are sending that much email through web 
messaging) under several IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked 
those IP's within Imail "Control Access".
Ah, that explains what is going on.  That's the first time I've seen 
serious spammers try to send E-mail through web messaging.

How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?
It is possible to do this, by having the declude.exe file act as the 
smtp32.exe file, so that Declude can intercept the web messaging E-mail.

This is done by renaming the smtp32.exe file to ipsmtp.exe, renaming the 
declude.exe file to smtp32.exe, using a "DAISYCHAIN ipsmtp.exe" line in the 
hijack.cfg file.

Then, you need to use regedit to change the 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Ipswitch\IMail\Global\SendName value to point 
to smtp32.exe instead of declude.com, and finally stop/restart the IMail 
SMTP service so that IMail will recognize the change
-Scott

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SPAMCOP:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
Thanks Scott.

I've emailed you the file.

We do have a few ALLOWIP's, but I they are for IP's we own.

I checked the W log files and it looks like they are coming in through web messaging 
(god knows how they are sending that much email through web messaging) under several 
IP's ranging from Nigeria to Israel.  I blocked those IP's within Imail "Control 
Access".

How can I make Hijack work with webmessaging?

b

-- Original Message --
From: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:10:23 -0500

>
>>And the log files have not held anything today.  Everything went through
>>as "OK" with juat a couple not local users.
>
>Note that Declude Hijack allows unlimited E-mail to local users, and 
>doesn't count that towards a user's quota.
>
>>But I see that [EMAIL PROTECTED] now has about 300 outgoing spam messages
>>in the queue.
>
>Do you have any "ALLOWIP" lines in your hijack.cfg file?
>
>Is the user sending these E-mails via SMTP, or web messaging (which would 
>not be scanned by default)?
>
>Could you E-mail me the log file (off-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED])?
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread R. Scott Perry

And the log files have not held anything today.  Everything went through
as "OK" with juat a couple not local users.
Note that Declude Hijack allows unlimited E-mail to local users, and 
doesn't count that towards a user's quota.

But I see that [EMAIL PROTECTED] now has about 300 outgoing spam messages
in the queue.
Do you have any "ALLOWIP" lines in your hijack.cfg file?

Is the user sending these E-mails via SMTP, or web messaging (which would 
not be scanned by default)?

Could you E-mail me the log file (off-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED])?
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Different bounce messages?

2003-03-26 Thread John Tolmachoff
> Based on failing a weight of 40, I have a WEIGHT40 that bounces.  I also
> have a weight of 60 that will delete.  What happens to the mail that falls
> in between 41 and 59?

Jim Jim Jim.

Bounces are not good. 

:))

Kind of like trying to get the license number of the car that cut us off.
Does not work.

Any way...

Between 41 and 59 will bounce, and at 60 it will try to bounce, but Delete
will take presendce.

That is one reason why I use WEIGHTRANGE instead. That way, it is exactly
defined.

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
I've checked, and the Hijack is registered.

The config is set to:

RELAYTHRESHOLD1 10  20
RELAYTHRESHOLD2 30  60

And the log files have not held anything today.  Everything went through
as "OK" with juat a couple not local users.

But I see that [EMAIL PROTECTED] now has about 300 outgoing spam messages
in the queue.

Help!

Thanks.

b

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>We've got a locked down public Imail server where anyone can register 
>for
>a free email, but all users have to authenticate before relaying mail.
>
>We've also got Declude with HiJack in order to stop spammers from using
>our system
>
>But somehow we've got registered users sending hundreds of messages
>through us and bypassing HiJack.
>
>Why isn't the email being trapped by HiJack?

The first thing to do is make sure that Declude Hijack is running (you
can 
type "\IMail\Declude -diag", *without* making any changes, and you
should 
see a line "Declude Hijack Status: Registered").

Next, you would want to check your \IMail\Declude\hijack.cfg file to
make 
sure that the settings are reasonable (the default settings are 
"RELAYTHRESHOLD1  10  20" and "RELAYTHRESHOLD230
80", 
which allow up to 80 E-mails to be sent within 30 minutes).

Finally, you would check the Declude Hijack log file to see what it says

about the E-mails.
-Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread R. Scott Perry

We've got a locked down public Imail server where anyone can register for 
a free email, but all users have to authenticate before relaying mail.

We've also got Declude with HiJack in order to stop spammers from using 
our system

But somehow we've got registered users sending hundreds of messages 
through us and bypassing HiJack.

Why isn't the email being trapped by HiJack?
The first thing to do is make sure that Declude Hijack is running (you can 
type "\IMail\Declude -diag", *without* making any changes, and you should 
see a line "Declude Hijack Status: Registered").

Next, you would want to check your \IMail\Declude\hijack.cfg file to make 
sure that the settings are reasonable (the default settings are 
"RELAYTHRESHOLD1  10  20" and "RELAYTHRESHOLD230  80", 
which allow up to 80 E-mails to be sent within 30 minutes).

Finally, you would check the Declude Hijack log file to see what it says 
about the E-mails.
   -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Different bounce messages?

2003-03-26 Thread R. Scott Perry

Based on failing a weight of 40, I have a WEIGHT40 that bounces.  I also
have a weight of 60 that will delete.  What happens to the mail that falls
in between 41 and 59?
They will bounce, since the WEIGHT40 test will be triggered but the 
WEIGHT60 will not be triggered.

Note, though, that the E-mail with a weight of 40-60 is almost certainly 
spam, which means that you are almost certainly spreading the spam (since 
spam very often has an innocent victim's return address).
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] What does this mean: internet.e-mail

2003-03-26 Thread Markus Gufler
Title: Nachricht



Hi 
Kami,
 
I've 
here around 7300 hold spam from the last 14 days.
 
167 of 
them contains the string "i_nternet.e-mail"
other 
22 messages contains "s_aved from url" without the string 
above.
 
I've 
checked the first 25 messages containing this string and all of them has 
recieved a minimum weight of 150% of our hold value. Most of them over 
200%
As I 
understand messages containing a "s_aved from url ..." wasn't designed to 
pass spam filters. 
 
We'll 
try to add this phrase to our SpamChk. So we can see from the logfile if 
there are also legitimate messages containing this. 
 
Markus
 
 
 
 

  
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Kami RazvanSent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:16 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  [Declude.JunkMail] What does this mean: internet.e-mail
  Hi;
   
  We have a watch 
  words file that if with an entry in the default file - simply to know if these 
  words appear and how often.
   
  One such entry 
  in the spam emails is:
   
  
   
  more importantly 
  the last part:  http://internet.e-mail
   
  Does anyone know 
  if this is an output generated by a special software -- I hardly see this 
  in any other emails.
   
  So far 100% of 
  all the emails reported with this entry are spam.
   
  Regards,
  Kami


[Declude.JunkMail] HiJack Not Working ?

2003-03-26 Thread Brian Cunningham
Title: Message



We've 
got a locked down public Imail server where anyone can register for a free 
email, but all users have to authenticate before relaying 
mail.
 
We've 
also got Declude with HiJack in order to stop spammers from using our 
system
 
But 
somehow we've got registered users sending hundreds of messages through us and 
bypassing HiJack.
 
Why 
isn't the email being trapped by HiJack?
 
Here's 
an example from the Logs where the user [EMAIL PROTECTED]  is sending spam:
 
03:26 
15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-mailhost.gscpa.org Hello [208.253.112.168]03:26 
15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-TURN03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-ATRN03:26 
15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-SIZE03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-ETRN03:26 
15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-PIPELINING03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 
250-DSN03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250-8bitmime03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 
250-BINARYMIME03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-CHUNKING03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250-VRFY03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-X-EXPS GSSAPI NTLM 
LOGIN03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-X-EXPS=LOGIN03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250-AUTH GSSAPI NTLM LOGIN03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 
250-AUTH=LOGIN03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-X-LINK2STATE03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250-XEXCH5003:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250 OK03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) >MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0254) 354 go ahead03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0BA8) 354 START MAIL 
INPUT, END WITH "." ON A LINE BY ITSELF03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0254) 
>.03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0BA8) >.03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250 
2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
OK03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) >RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(09B8) Connect mailbox.co.za [196.31.150.75:25] (1)03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(07F0) Trying unsubscribe.myfamily.com (0)03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) >RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0BA8) 250 OK03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0BA8) rdeliver aol.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
667003:26 15:25 SMTP-(0BA8) >QUIT03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0BA8) 221 
SERVICE CLOSING CHANNEL03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0BA8) finished 
d:\IMail\spool\Qe18d009a0078d0bf.SMP status=103:26 15:25 SMTP-(0BA8) 
d:\IMail\spool\Qed8300a000a68876.SMP03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0BA8) processing 
d:\IMail\spool\Qed8300a000a68876.SMP03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) >RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>03:26 
15:25 SMTP-(0BA8) Trying earthlink.net (0)03:26 15:25 SMTP-(07F0) 
Connect unsubscribe.myfamily.com [63.92.86.131:25] (1)03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) >RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 
250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) >RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0BA8) Connect earthlink.net [207.217.120.79:25] (1)03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) >DATA03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 354 Start mail input; 
end with .03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) >.03:26 
15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250 2.6.0  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Queued mail for delivery03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) rdeliver gscpa.org 
multiple (5) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
259503:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) >QUIT03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 221 
2.0.0 mailhost.gscpa.org Service closing transmission channel03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) Connect gscpa.org [216.230.88.131:25] (1)03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 220 mailhost.gscpa.org Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 
5.0.2195.5329 ready at  Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:25:25 -050003:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) >EHLO richmond.com03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 
250-mailhost.gscpa.org Hello [208.253.112.168]03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 
250-TURN03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-ATRN03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 
250-SIZE03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-ETRN03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 
250-PIPELINING03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-DSN03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 
250-8bitmime03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-BINARYMIME03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250-CHUNKING03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-VRFY03:26 
15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-X-EXPS GSSAPI NTLM LOGIN03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250-X-EXPS=LOGIN03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-AUTH GSSAPI 
NTLM LOGIN03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250-AUTH=LOGIN03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250-X-LINK2STATE03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 
250-XEXCH5003:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250 OK03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 
>MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(08CC) Connect ou.edu [129.15.2.47:25] (1)03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0254) 250 ok dirdel03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0254) rdeliver yahoo.com 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (1) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 146003:26 
15:25 SMTP-(0254) >QUIT03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) 250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
OK03:26 15:25 SMTP-(0B6C) >RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) 250 2.1.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]03:26 15:25 
SMTP-(0B6C) >RCPT To:<[EMAI

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Different bounce messages?

2003-03-26 Thread Jim Rooth
Based on failing a weight of 40, I have a WEIGHT40 that bounces.  I also
have a weight of 60 that will delete.  What happens to the mail that falls
in between 41 and 59?

Jim Rooth
Klotron, Inc.
214.244.0979
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>Can we have different bounce messages?  Lets say if we can define a 
>certain test and for that test a certain message be sent out!?

Yes.  Declude JunkMail uses the name of the test in the name of the .eml 
file it uses for the bounce message, so if you have "TEST1" and "TEST2", 
you would use the files \IMail\Declude\TEST1bounce.eml and 
\IMail\Declude\TEST2bounce.eml.
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] What does this mean: internet.e-mail

2003-03-26 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Title: Message



Kami, I think 
it's an annotation put there by the bulk mailer as a note to themselves 
about the source of the target list (ooh, I'm starting to sound like 
*them*).
 
I saw this in the 
body of the html spam I received today:
 

 
I've changed the 
names to protect the potentially innocent.  The message came via 
bCentral.com, by the way.
 
Checking my 
personal spam database, I find only one message that matches better 
with what you've found:
 

 
If it 
helps, it was spamvertising generic viagra pills at one of those invulnerable 
hosts in China.
 
Andrew 
8)

  
  -Original Message-From: Kami Razvan 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 
  9:16 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  [Declude.JunkMail] What does this mean: internet.e-mail
  Hi;
   
  We have a watch 
  words file that if with an entry in the default file - simply to know if these 
  words appear and how often.
   
  One such entry 
  in the spam emails is:
   
  
   
  more importantly 
  the last part:  http://internet.e-mail
   
  Does anyone know 
  if this is an output generated by a special software -- I hardly see this 
  in any other emails.
   
  So far 100% of 
  all the emails reported with this entry are spam.
   
  Regards,
  Kami


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread Neal Mathews

At 02:47 PM 3/26/2003, you wrote:
I simply cannot
keep up with the constant changes in JunkMail.  News tests,
variables, and parameters are listed in the Release Notes, but the trick
is how to integrate those tests into an existing configuration, where to
insert them, how to configure the parameters for new tests, etc.

For example, the Release Notes for 1.67 Beta says
  JM  ADD  Adds "comments" test type to detect
anti-filter HTML comments.

Sounds great.  Where and how do I use that test??
That's exactly what this list is for -- our goal is to add new features
to the manual after new releases, but to have information about beta
features discussed on this list.

  JM ADD  Adds "AUTOWHITELIST
ON" option in global.cfg file which will use address books as
whitelists . . . "

Wonderful!  A personal whitelist!  Uhh, but address books
where?
Uhh, in the archive of this list.  :)
How many times does the poor guy have to repeat this??? :)

-NM

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread VanTech.Net
Title: Message



I 
happen to agree with Glenn.  I love my declude setup, but its getting more 
difficult to keep up with the changes. Just my two cents, love Declude and keep 
up the good work.  Maybe if some external people would be willing to help 
put together a document.  Its not like we don't have any place to host it 
;)
 
 
Thank you,
Aaron Caviglia
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Toll Free 800-872-3359
Phone 559-732-3952
Fax 559-732-1509
 
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  On Behalf Of Glenn \ WCNetSent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 
  11:41 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
  [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed
  I simply cannot keep up with the constant changes 
  in JunkMail.  News tests, variables, and parameters are listed in the 
  Release Notes, but the trick is how to integrate those tests into an existing 
  configuration, where to insert them, how to configure the parameters for new 
  tests, etc.
   
  For example, the Release Notes for 1.67 Beta 
  says
    JM  ADD  Adds "comments" test 
  type to detect anti-filter HTML comments.
   
  Sounds great.  Where and how do I use that 
  test??
   
    JM ADD  Adds "AUTOWHITELIST ON" 
  option in global.cfg file which will use address books as whitelists . . . 
  "
   
  Wonderful!  A personal whitelist!  Uhh, 
  but address books where?  In the user's WebMail configuration, I 
  assume.  Not all users use WebMail, some use only a client and don't have 
  a WebMail address book at all, and have never even logged in to WebMail.  
  Does it work in a gateway server situation, where there are no "local" 
  users on the gateway server, mail is scanned as outgoing and passed 
  on to another IMail server for delivery into the user mailboxes?  I 
  assume it doesn't, but the Release Notes don't say.
   
  Scott and company do a fantastic job, 
  but when *they* write the documention and Release Notes, *they* already 
  know how it works.  I know new tests are defined in the updated 
  global.cfg and $default$.junkmail with each new release, but it would 
  be much easier to integrate new tests into an existing configuration if 
  basic test syntax and parameters were included in the Release 
  Notes.
   
  Glenn Z.
   
   
   
  
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From: 
R. Scott 
Perry 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:30 
PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 
Reference documents needed
>In order to make the most use of Declude's power in 
the shortest time>possible, I would need a couple of documents 
(hopefully they exist):>>1. A reference list (beyond the HTML 
manual at>www.declude.com/JunkMail/manual.html) that lists every 
single variable >available>and what it represents (eventually 
with a short example).The manual should list all the variables 
(except ones that have been added since the latest beta).  I'll see 
if we can add examples to the manual.>2. A complete list of all 
the tests available in Declude junk mail with a>detailed description 
of their use?That's impossible, unfortunately, as Declude JunkMail 
can use spam tests that haven't even been created yet.  For 
DNS-based tests, http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm 
has the list of them all (however, most people will use just the ones 
that are already defined in Declude JunkMail).When Declude 
JunkMail was first started, there were really just 2 tests (RBL and 
ORBS), so there wasn't any need to worry about documenting test 
types.  You could just look in the global.cfg file to see what 
tests were available.However, as things have progressed, I think 
we'll need to add a table with a list of all the test 
types. 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread R. Scott Perry

I simply cannot keep up with the constant changes in JunkMail.  News 
tests, variables, and parameters are listed in the Release Notes, but the 
trick is how to integrate those tests into an existing configuration, 
where to insert them, how to configure the parameters for new tests, etc.

For example, the Release Notes for 1.67 Beta says
  JM  ADD  Adds "comments" test type to detect anti-filter HTML comments.
Sounds great.  Where and how do I use that test??
That's exactly what this list is for -- our goal is to add new features to 
the manual after new releases, but to have information about beta features 
discussed on this list.

  JM ADD  Adds "AUTOWHITELIST ON" option in global.cfg file which will 
use address books as whitelists . . . "

Wonderful!  A personal whitelist!  Uhh, but address books where?
Uhh, in the archive of this list.  :)

Perhaps it is something that should be changed, but this list is the source 
for details on new beta features.
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread Glenn \\ WCNet



I simply cannot keep up with the constant changes 
in JunkMail.  News tests, variables, and parameters are listed in the 
Release Notes, but the trick is how to integrate those tests into an existing 
configuration, where to insert them, how to configure the parameters for new 
tests, etc.
 
For example, the Release Notes for 1.67 Beta 
says
  JM  ADD  Adds "comments" test type 
to detect anti-filter HTML comments.
 
Sounds great.  Where and how do I use that 
test??
 
  JM ADD  Adds "AUTOWHITELIST ON" option 
in global.cfg file which will use address books as whitelists . . . 
"
 
Wonderful!  A personal whitelist!  Uhh, 
but address books where?  In the user's WebMail configuration, I 
assume.  Not all users use WebMail, some use only a client and don't have a 
WebMail address book at all, and have never even logged in to WebMail.  
Does it work in a gateway server situation, where there are no "local" 
users on the gateway server, mail is scanned as outgoing and passed on 
to another IMail server for delivery into the user mailboxes?  I assume it 
doesn't, but the Release Notes don't say.
 
Scott and company do a fantastic job, but when 
*they* write the documention and Release Notes, *they* already know how it 
works.  I know new tests are defined in the updated global.cfg and 
$default$.junkmail with each new release, but it would be much easier to 
integrate new tests into an existing configuration if basic test syntax and 
parameters were included in the Release Notes.
 
Glenn Z.
 
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  R. Scott 
  Perry 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:30 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference 
  documents needed
  >In order to make the most use of Declude's power in the 
  shortest time>possible, I would need a couple of documents (hopefully 
  they exist):>>1. A reference list (beyond the HTML manual 
  at>www.declude.com/JunkMail/manual.html) that lists every single 
  variable >available>and what it represents (eventually with a 
  short example).The manual should list all the variables (except ones 
  that have been added since the latest beta).  I'll see if we can add 
  examples to the manual.>2. A complete list of all the tests 
  available in Declude junk mail with a>detailed description of their 
  use?That's impossible, unfortunately, as Declude JunkMail can use spam 
  tests that haven't even been created yet.  For DNS-based tests, 
  http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm 
  has the list of them all (however, most people will use just the ones that 
  are already defined in Declude JunkMail).When Declude JunkMail was 
  first started, there were really just 2 tests (RBL and ORBS), so there 
  wasn't any need to worry about documenting test types.  You could 
  just look in the global.cfg file to see what tests were 
  available.However, as things have progressed, I think we'll need 
  to add a table with a list of all the test 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread John Tolmachoff
> It constantly occurs to me, as it has to many others who have mentioned
this
> previously, that what we really need is a FAQ compilation that covers
> customization and best-practices for various situations and integration of
> the add-on tools and who knows what else. "Search the archives" hasn't
> proven to be a very effective recommendation all the time.

Speaking of FAQ, does any one know of a good easy cheap way to compile one?

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] What does this mean: internet.e-mail

2003-03-26 Thread Darrell LaRock
Title: Message









Kami,

 

I seen several messages today that had
that listed right at the top of the message source.,

 

Darrell

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Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003
12:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] What
does this mean: internet.e-mail

 



Hi;





 





We have a watch words file that if
with an entry in the default file - simply to know if these words appear and
how often.





 





One such entry in the spam emails
is:





 











 





more importantly the last
part:  http://internet.e-mail





 





Does anyone know if this is an
output generated by a special software -- I hardly see this in any other
emails.





 





So far 100% of all the emails
reported with this entry are spam.





 





Regards,





Kami










RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question On behavior

2003-03-26 Thread Darrell LaRock
John,

You are absolutely right on this should be implemented instead of
whitelisting the postmaster or abuse account.  This week I can't tell
you how many messages got through because "postmaster@" was listed as a
recipient.

That shouldn't happen anymore...

Darrell 


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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question On behavior

> We have achieved the desired behavior with that setup.  I sent a test
> message tripping off one of the filters and the mail was delivered to
> the postmaster and was not delivered to the other recipients.

Thanks for that update Darrell.

Sounds like something that should be implemented by any one whitelisting
postmaster or root or abuse.

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread John Shacklett
It constantly occurs to me, as it has to many others who have mentioned this
previously, that what we really need is a FAQ compilation that covers
customization and best-practices for various situations and integration of
the add-on tools and who knows what else. "Search the archives" hasn't
proven to be a very effective recommendation all the time.

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Sent: Wednesday, 26 March 2003 1:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed



>In order to make the most use of Declude's power in the shortest time
>possible, I would need a couple of documents (hopefully they exist):
>
>1. A reference list (beyond the HTML manual at
>www.declude.com/JunkMail/manual.html) that lists every single variable
>available
>and what it represents (eventually with a short example).

The manual should list all the variables (except ones that have been added
since the latest beta).  I'll see if we can add examples to the manual.

>2. A complete list of all the tests available in Declude junk mail with a
>detailed description of their use?

That's impossible, unfortunately, as Declude JunkMail can use spam tests
that haven't even been created yet.  For DNS-based tests,
http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm has the list of them all
(however, most people will use just the ones that are already defined in
Declude JunkMail).

When Declude JunkMail was first started, there were really just 2 tests
(RBL and ORBS), so there wasn't any need to worry about documenting test
types.  You could just look in the global.cfg file to see what tests were
available.

However, as things have progressed, I think we'll need to add a table with
a list of all the test types.
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread Charles Frolick
The online docs and the mailing list archives tends to be a very good
reference, however since the program is so flexible, even Scott doesn't
know it's full potential. There are often threads where people have
managed to come up with some new and unforseen way of using Declude.
Now, that being said, maybe a nice How-To site where users can post
their little tricks and tips would be very helpful.  Generally speaking,
the only things not listed in the online manual are beta features, and
they are listed in the revision history and very well discussed in the
archives.

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

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Hello, All,

This sounds very similiar to the request that I made when I first
started
using Declude.JunkMail.  Unfortunately I don't think these documents
exist.
But I could be wrong.  Once our management agrees to buy JunkMail Pro
for us
I plan on writing up something along these lines.

If I had one complaint about Declude JunkMail that would probably be the
only one.  The program itself is awesome.  Scott's technical support is
outstanding.  But the current documentation seems too conversational in
tone.  Now that tone is a good way for some people to learn.  But some
people (like Adrian, Joseph, myself and others, I'm guessing) need
documentation which reads as more of a reference guide.  I can't think
of
any other way to describe it.

(Un)fortunately I've made it past the hump in the learning curve where
something like this seems absolutely necessary but I still could many
situations where it would be beneficial.

Dan

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From: "Joseph Acac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed


> I second that.
>
> At 08:15 03.26.2003, you wrote:
> >Hi Scott,
> >
> >I am a fairly new user of Declude JunkMail Pro and I'm reading the
messages on
> >this list on a daily basis. Excellent discussions and I have already
learned a
> >lot. In order to make the most use of Declude's power in the shortest
time
> >possible, I would need a couple of documents (hopefully they exist):
> >
> >1. A reference list (beyond the HTML manual at
> >www.declude.com/JunkMail/manual.html) that lists every single
variable
> >available
> >and what it represents (eventually with a short example).
> >
> >2. A complete list of all the tests available in Declude junk mail
with a
> >detailed description of their use?
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >
> >PS: If Declude doesn't have such documents, then maybe one of the
list
> >subscribers have compiled them. Any help would be much appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Regards,
> >Adrian Titei
> >Director of IT
> >Jumbo Entertainment Inc.
> >
> >p: 905-634-4244 x 232
> >f: 905-632-2964
> >e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >===> Confidentiality Notice: <
> >This e-mail message and any attachment to same  contains confidential
> >information intended only for the person(s) to whom the said e-mail
is
> >intended
> >to be sent.  Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use
of or
the
> >taking of any action and reliance upon this information by persons or
entities
> >other than the intended recipient violates confidentiality and is
prohibited.
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> CNPRC
> University of California at Davis
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread R. Scott Perry

In order to make the most use of Declude's power in the shortest time
possible, I would need a couple of documents (hopefully they exist):
1. A reference list (beyond the HTML manual at
www.declude.com/JunkMail/manual.html) that lists every single variable 
available
and what it represents (eventually with a short example).
The manual should list all the variables (except ones that have been added 
since the latest beta).  I'll see if we can add examples to the manual.

2. A complete list of all the tests available in Declude junk mail with a
detailed description of their use?
That's impossible, unfortunately, as Declude JunkMail can use spam tests 
that haven't even been created yet.  For DNS-based tests, 
http://www.declude.com/junkmail/support/ip4r.htm has the list of them all 
(however, most people will use just the ones that are already defined in 
Declude JunkMail).

When Declude JunkMail was first started, there were really just 2 tests 
(RBL and ORBS), so there wasn't any need to worry about documenting test 
types.  You could just look in the global.cfg file to see what tests were 
available.

However, as things have progressed, I think we'll need to add a table with 
a list of all the test types.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread John Tolmachoff
One problem with documents on a program like JunkMail is that it is such an
adaptable product that it is hard to explain everything.

For those interested in SpamManager, I am going to be writing up a white
paper on implementing that within Declude.

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:13 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed
> 
> Hello, All,
> 
> This sounds very similiar to the request that I made when I first started
> using Declude.JunkMail.  Unfortunately I don't think these documents
exist.
> But I could be wrong.  Once our management agrees to buy JunkMail Pro for
us
> I plan on writing up something along these lines.
> 
> If I had one complaint about Declude JunkMail that would probably be the
> only one.  The program itself is awesome.  Scott's technical support is
> outstanding.  But the current documentation seems too conversational in
> tone.  Now that tone is a good way for some people to learn.  But some
> people (like Adrian, Joseph, myself and others, I'm guessing) need
> documentation which reads as more of a reference guide.  I can't think of
> any other way to describe it.
> 
> (Un)fortunately I've made it past the hump in the learning curve where
> something like this seems absolutely necessary but I still could many
> situations where it would be beneficial.
> 
> Dan
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joseph Acac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed
> 
> 
> > I second that.
> >
> > At 08:15 03.26.2003, you wrote:
> > >Hi Scott,
> > >
> > >I am a fairly new user of Declude JunkMail Pro and I'm reading the
> messages on
> > >this list on a daily basis. Excellent discussions and I have already
> learned a
> > >lot. In order to make the most use of Declude's power in the shortest
> time
> > >possible, I would need a couple of documents (hopefully they exist):
> > >
> > >1. A reference list (beyond the HTML manual at
> > >www.declude.com/JunkMail/manual.html) that lists every single variable
> > >available
> > >and what it represents (eventually with a short example).
> > >
> > >2. A complete list of all the tests available in Declude junk mail with
a
> > >detailed description of their use?
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > >
> > >PS: If Declude doesn't have such documents, then maybe one of the list
> > >subscribers have compiled them. Any help would be much appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Regards,
> > >Adrian Titei
> > >Director of IT
> > >Jumbo Entertainment Inc.
> > >
> > >p: 905-634-4244 x 232
> > >f: 905-632-2964
> > >e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >===> Confidentiality Notice: <
> > >This e-mail message and any attachment to same  contains confidential
> > >information intended only for the person(s) to whom the said e-mail is
> > >intended
> > >to be sent.  Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of
or
> the
> > >taking of any action and reliance upon this information by persons or
> entities
> > >other than the intended recipient violates confidentiality and is
> prohibited.
> > >If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the
> sender
> > >immediately and delete the e-mail message from your computer.
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[Declude.JunkMail] What does this mean: internet.e-mail

2003-03-26 Thread Kami Razvan
Title: Message



Hi;
 
We have a watch 
words file that if with an entry in the default file - simply to know if these 
words appear and how often.
 
One such entry in 
the spam emails is:
 

 
more importantly 
the last part:  http://internet.e-mail
 
Does anyone know 
if this is an output generated by a special software -- I hardly see this 
in any other emails.
 
So far 100% of all 
the emails reported with this entry are spam.
 
Regards,
Kami


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread Dan Geiser
Hello, All,

This sounds very similiar to the request that I made when I first started
using Declude.JunkMail.  Unfortunately I don't think these documents exist.
But I could be wrong.  Once our management agrees to buy JunkMail Pro for us
I plan on writing up something along these lines.

If I had one complaint about Declude JunkMail that would probably be the
only one.  The program itself is awesome.  Scott's technical support is
outstanding.  But the current documentation seems too conversational in
tone.  Now that tone is a good way for some people to learn.  But some
people (like Adrian, Joseph, myself and others, I'm guessing) need
documentation which reads as more of a reference guide.  I can't think of
any other way to describe it.

(Un)fortunately I've made it past the hump in the learning curve where
something like this seems absolutely necessary but I still could many
situations where it would be beneficial.

Dan

- Original Message -
From: "Joseph Acac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed


> I second that.
>
> At 08:15 03.26.2003, you wrote:
> >Hi Scott,
> >
> >I am a fairly new user of Declude JunkMail Pro and I'm reading the
messages on
> >this list on a daily basis. Excellent discussions and I have already
learned a
> >lot. In order to make the most use of Declude's power in the shortest
time
> >possible, I would need a couple of documents (hopefully they exist):
> >
> >1. A reference list (beyond the HTML manual at
> >www.declude.com/JunkMail/manual.html) that lists every single variable
> >available
> >and what it represents (eventually with a short example).
> >
> >2. A complete list of all the tests available in Declude junk mail with a
> >detailed description of their use?
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >
> >PS: If Declude doesn't have such documents, then maybe one of the list
> >subscribers have compiled them. Any help would be much appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Regards,
> >Adrian Titei
> >Director of IT
> >Jumbo Entertainment Inc.
> >
> >p: 905-634-4244 x 232
> >f: 905-632-2964
> >e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >===> Confidentiality Notice: <
> >This e-mail message and any attachment to same  contains confidential
> >information intended only for the person(s) to whom the said e-mail is
> >intended
> >to be sent.  Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or
the
> >taking of any action and reliance upon this information by persons or
entities
> >other than the intended recipient violates confidentiality and is
prohibited.
> >If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the
sender
> >immediately and delete the e-mail message from your computer.
> >---
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> >(http://www.declude.com)]
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> >unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and
> >type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail".  The archives can be found
> >at http://www.mail-archive.com.
>
> Joseph C. Acac
> CNPRC
> University of California at Davis
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread Joseph Acac
I second that.

At 08:15 03.26.2003, you wrote:
Hi Scott,

I am a fairly new user of Declude JunkMail Pro and I'm reading the messages on
this list on a daily basis. Excellent discussions and I have already learned a
lot. In order to make the most use of Declude's power in the shortest time
possible, I would need a couple of documents (hopefully they exist):
1. A reference list (beyond the HTML manual at
www.declude.com/JunkMail/manual.html) that lists every single variable 
available
and what it represents (eventually with a short example).

2. A complete list of all the tests available in Declude junk mail with a
detailed description of their use?
Thanks in advance,

PS: If Declude doesn't have such documents, then maybe one of the list
subscribers have compiled them. Any help would be much appreciated.


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question On behavior

2003-03-26 Thread John Tolmachoff
> We have achieved the desired behavior with that setup.  I sent a test
> message tripping off one of the filters and the mail was delivered to
> the postmaster and was not delivered to the other recipients.

Thanks for that update Darrell.

Sounds like something that should be implemented by any one whitelisting
postmaster or root or abuse.

John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA
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[Declude.JunkMail] Reference documents needed

2003-03-26 Thread Adrian Titei
Hi Scott,

I am a fairly new user of Declude JunkMail Pro and I'm reading the messages on
this list on a daily basis. Excellent discussions and I have already learned a
lot. In order to make the most use of Declude's power in the shortest time
possible, I would need a couple of documents (hopefully they exist):

1. A reference list (beyond the HTML manual at
www.declude.com/JunkMail/manual.html) that lists every single variable available
and what it represents (eventually with a short example). 

2. A complete list of all the tests available in Declude junk mail with a
detailed description of their use?

Thanks in advance,


PS: If Declude doesn't have such documents, then maybe one of the list
subscribers have compiled them. Any help would be much appreciated.



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Director of IT
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question On behavior

2003-03-26 Thread Darrell LaRock
Scott,

We have achieved the desired behavior with that setup.  I sent a test
message tripping off one of the filters and the mail was delivered to
the postmaster and was not delivered to the other recipients.

This is just a testament on how flexible this product is..

Thanks for the help
Darrell

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question On behavior


>To get around this problem do you think this is possible?
>
>Add a lot of negative weight to the message that has a recipient as
>postmaster so it won't get bounced.  Then create a test that will route
>the message back to the postmaster's account?

It might be possible to do something like that.  An action "ROUTETO 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]" would prevent the other users from seeing the 
E-mail.  Perhaps adding a filter that includes a line "ALLRECIPS 0
CONTAINS 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]", and then having the action for that filter set
to 
"ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]"?  That way, any E-mail that was
addressed 
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would get sent only to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Not Failing the comments test

2003-03-26 Thread Madscientist
The Message Sniffer rule for this is also being adjusted/broadened.
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]Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:09 AM
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]>I assume this didn't fail the comments test because it is actually not
]>formatted like a true html comment 

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question On behavior

2003-03-26 Thread R. Scott Perry

To get around this problem do you think this is possible?

Add a lot of negative weight to the message that has a recipient as
postmaster so it won't get bounced.  Then create a test that will route
the message back to the postmaster's account?
It might be possible to do something like that.  An action "ROUTETO 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]" would prevent the other users from seeing the 
E-mail.  Perhaps adding a filter that includes a line "ALLRECIPS 0 CONTAINS 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]", and then having the action for that filter set to 
"ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]"?  That way, any E-mail that was addressed 
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would get sent only to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] request?

2003-03-26 Thread R. Scott Perry

How about a test to check if the e-mail address in the
subject is the same as the person it was sent to?
Or how about a test that checks for the following dupe names:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
We're looking into tests that would detect these tricks.
  -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Not Failing the comments test

2003-03-26 Thread R. Scott Perry

I assume this didn't fail the comments test because it is actually not
formatted like a true html comment 

[Declude.JunkMail] Not Failing the comments test

2003-03-26 Thread Darrell LaRock
I assume this didn't fail the comments test because it is actually not
formatted like a true html comment 

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question On behavior

2003-03-26 Thread Darrell LaRock
Scott,

To get around this problem do you think this is possible?

Add a lot of negative weight to the message that has a recipient as
postmaster so it won't get bounced.  Then create a test that will route
the message back to the postmaster's account?  This would then route the
message to the postmaster and not the other recipients?  I am only
pursing this because some really offensive email has been getting
through where they are including the postmaster@ address in the mail.

Is it possible to accomplish something like that?

Darrell


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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Question On behavior


>We have our domains postmaster addresses whitelisted.  I noticed that a
>message coming in that has multiple recipients will be delivered to all
>the recipients mailboxes as long as it has a whitelisted postmaster
>address.
>
>This is not exactly the desired behavior I am looking for.

Unfortunately, that is the behavior that is required.  The problem is
that 
you are dealing with a single E-mail with multiple recipients, not
multiple 
E-mails.  We are working on some creative ways to get around this, but 
there would still be some definite limitations.
 -Scott

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