Re: Do language packs have update notifications?

[O.Felka]

Am 30.07.2013 19:04, schrieb Rob Weir:

In OOo 3.3.0 we support Tamil with a language pack, but not a full
install.  In AOO 4.0 we provide a full install for Tamil, as well as a
language pack.

Are we able to notify 3.3.0 users of the Tamil language pack about the
update?  Is that something the update notification system can handle?
Or does it only handle updates to the base install?

-Rob


AFAIR they don't have an update functionality.

Groetjes,
Olaf

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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[janI]

Hey, I get embarrassed, I am not used to soo many positive words :-) thx a
lot.

@Donald, thx for your offer, This particular blog gains from being a bit
"rough", at least its a lot more me, but I will remember your offer to my
next posting.

@Rob, can you and/or donald please make the small adjustments that makes it
more understandable (and more correct English), please edit it directly
that is the easiest way, and let me know when its done.

Once edited, then I hit "publish" ?

rgds
jan I.



On 31 July 2013 02:30, Raphael Bircher  wrote:

> Am 30.07.13 23:59, schrieb janI:
>
>  Hi
>>
>> A while ago we discussed to get more bloggers.
>>
>> Since I have 1 years birthday in a couple of days, I have made a blog.
>>
>> I am not a native speaker, so I assume there are some mistakes in there,
>> feel free to correct them.
>>
>> But more importantly, is this a post we as community would like to make
>> public ?
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/**preview/OOo/?previewEntry=**
>> developer_in_aoo_1year_**celebration
>>
>> Please be gentle this is my first blog.
>>
>
> I realy, realy, realy like this blog. Thank you, all of you, for working
> together.
>
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
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Re: first start of AOO 4

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 7/30/13 9:02 PM, Guenter Marxen wrote:
> Hi Jürgen,
> 
> Am 30.07.2013 06:15, schrieb Juergen Schmidt:
>> Am Montag, 29. Juli 2013 um 16:52 schrieb Guenter Marxen:
>>> ...
>>> The Spelling Checker "Duden Korrektor 6.0.0" seems to be incompatibel
>>> with AOO 4 ("loading component library failed..."). Or has anybody other
>>> informations?
>>>
>> The Duden corrector is a C++  extension and they become easier
>> incompatible. But with the stlport change for AOO 4.0 it is natural
>> that it is incompatible and needs at least a recompilation.
>> Especially for C++ extensions the maintainer should use a max version
>> dependency and should ensure if everything works.
>> Even a compiler upgrade can cause an incompatible change.
> 
> many thanks. I'll ask the Duden publisher and report, when an
> AOO4-version is available.
> 
> (If I understand it correctly, since AOO 4 there is no longer extension
> compatibility with LO. I'm curious what Duden publisher decides.)
> 

I don't know for sure but LO did many more incompatible API changes as
far as I know and I assume that depending on the API's an extension used
the compatibility can be broken. But that has nothing with AOO alone to
do. C++ extensions are always somewhat special and they can become
incompatible simply because of a compiler upgrade that is necessary from
time to time.

Juergen


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Re: Where can I find the original files of the release notes?

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 7/30/13 9:46 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> Ditto - please?
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Jörg Schmidt  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> Who has the original files from which the screenshots for the
>> release-notes (eg http://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/c/c0/120962_MS.jpg)
>> were made?
>> (I do not mean the images of the UI elements, but for example the Calc
>> files.)
>>
>> Can someone please make me available so that I can translate it to German
>> and create German  screenshots?

I am not sure if that is what you are looking for

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Fidelity_Improvement_Since_AOO341

Juergen

>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Jörg
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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 7/30/13 11:59 PM, janI wrote:
> Hi
> 
> A while ago we discussed to get more bloggers.
> 
> Since I have 1 years birthday in a couple of days, I have made a blog.
> 
> I am not a native speaker, so I assume there are some mistakes in there,
> feel free to correct them.
> 
> But more importantly, is this a post we as community would like to make
> public ?
> 
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=developer_in_aoo_1year_celebration
> 
> Please be gentle this is my first blog.

Hi Jan,

a very nice written and balanced blog post, I like it very much and I am
still looking forward to meet you in person for a glass of wine or two
or three ;-)

Juergen

> 
> rgds
> jan I.
> 


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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:18:46 +0200
janI  wrote:

> @Rob, can you and/or donald please make the small adjustments that makes it
> more understandable (and more correct English), please edit it directly
> that is the easiest way, and let me know when its done.

To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or explanation in 
brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need explanation.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Re: Do language packs have update notifications?

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 30.07.2013 19:04, Rob Weir wrote:

In OOo 3.3.0 we support Tamil with a language pack, but not a full
install.  In AOO 4.0 we provide a full install for Tamil, as well as a
language pack.

Are we able to notify 3.3.0 users of the Tamil language pack about the
update?  Is that something the update notification system can handle?
Or does it only handle updates to the base install?



As far as I know and have seen in my checks the update function in 
AOO/OOo only searches for new updates for the language of the full 
installation package.
The language of the full installation package is found in the 
version.ini|vesionrc of the installation which is composed together with 
the application name and its version into the value of 'UpdateID' - e.g. 
UpdateID=OpenOffice_4_en-US for en-US full installation package of AOO 4.0


Best regards, Oliver.


-Rob

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Re: [Website]

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 30.07.2013 18:39, Rob Weir wrote:

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Mattias BIK Service  wrote:

Hello

For christ sake. Every time i trying to download openoffice there is almost
impossible to find the right download page.

Im from Sweden and and if the current version is not supported by Swedish,
put a link to an older version then. How hard can it be?



Tired of searching for download links now.

No reply of this mail is needed. I just have to blow of some steem after
bringing some time on ur website.



One easy way we can improve here.   How about modifying this page:

http://www.openoffice.org/download/

And where it currently has the line that says:

"Signatures and Hashes: KEYS , ASC , MD5 , SHA256 | Release Notes |
Legacy Version"

Change that to:

"Signatures and Hashes: KEYS , ASC , MD5 , SHA256 | Release Notes |
Older AOO Versions | Legacy OpenOffice.org"

And then make "Older AOO Versions" link to the old 3.4.1-era
download/other.html file, which we could resurrect from SVN.

Would that work?



Looking into the issue a little more.  It gets a little more complicated.

We're still seeing a fair number of update notifications (around
80,000 in the last week) being sent to older OOo installs, 3.3.0 and
even 3.2.1.  I don't know what this is happening, but it is.  Maybe
they are finding an old copy of a CD and installing it and then
immediately getting the update notification?  It can happen.

The update notifications are generally sending them to
http://www.openoffice.org/download.

When this occurs with a language that was included in 3.4.1 but not in
4.0 then this is a problem.  They are looking for Swedish, for
example, and it cannot be found.

For this particular kind of user, I'm not sure a small link labeled
"Older AOO Versions" will help.  It would be very unintuitive for the
user to look there, because from their perspective they are looking
for a newer version and 3.4.1 is newer than what they have, not older.

A couple of ways to plug this hole:

1) Enhance the download logic on the main page to offer the most
recent version available for the detected language.  Or does it
already try to do that?

or

2) Change the update notifications so the user is sent to the
3.4.1-era other.html page, so they can more easily find their
download.  Actually, thinking out loud, this might be the easiest
solution.  And we can still add the "Older AOO Versions", which would
be good for a different kind of user, someone specifically looking for
a 3.4.1 download.  This might even be our own QA volunteers ;-)



Thanks for adjusting the update notification XML feeds - change the 
download links to the 3.4.1 one, if corresponding language is not available.
I have overseen with problem, when I provided the patches for our AOO 
4.0 release.


Best regards, Oliver.


Regards,

-Rob



Unfortuntely the legacy directory structure, with its "stable" and
"localized" directories is too weird to point users to directly.

-Rob








Regards

Mattias





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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[Andrea Pescetti]

Rory O'Farrell wrote:

To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or
explanation in brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need
explanation.


This is my only remark too: at least, let's expand ASF and link it to 
apache.org. For the rest, nice post!


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[janI]

On 31 July 2013 12:54, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>
>> To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or
>> explanation in brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need
>> explanation.
>>
>
> This is my only remark too: at least, let's expand ASF and link it to
> apache.org. For the rest, nice post!
>

bracket changes done, picture added. Now I just hope for the native
hand/eye of rob/donald.

rgds
jan I.


>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 30/07/2013 Rob Weir wrote:

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:

If your extension is compatible with AOO 4.0, please take a moment to
update the extension's compatibility information so that end-users will
know it works with the latest release. If your extension is not compatible


Is it clear how to do this?  Is there any doc we should point them to for this?


The best resource we have at the moment is Hanya's list of API changes, 
on the mwiki.


I linked to it from
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/Extensions_and_Apache_OpenOffice_4.0

Due to the several messages already seen about this topic, I added the 
Extensions compatibility to the Release Notes at

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes
giving also a link to the above page.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Revert general point reducing for charts, indroduced to solve Excel import problem

[Regina Henschel]

Hi all,

an Excel chart with lot of points hanged on opening [1] and that was 
fixed with r1388440.


But it was done in a way, that it has undesirable effects. Now charts 
which much data points, that show well in AOO3.4.1, are broken. [3][4]


There exists already a data point reduction to eliminate "identical" 
points for rendering, see class PlottingPositionHelper and its use. 
There the time consuming rendering is reduced, but the data series 
itself are not changed.


I think, that the way as it is done in [2], reducing the points in the 
data series itself in general, is not the best approach, and it should 
be reverted to solve the regression introduced by it.


Kind regards
Regina


[1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121058
[2] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=1388440
[3] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122822
[4] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122907

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Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.

[janI]

Moving conversation to dev@


On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:

> On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention
> > to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person
> > doing the rsync magic.
> >
> > ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project
> > graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under
> > incubator.
> >
> > As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of
> > course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users
> > (especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0).
> >
> > I see the following possibilities:
> >
> > 1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1
> > (with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra.
>
> +1 to keep it on SF
>
> >
> > 2) remove 3.3.0 since its a legacy version, and move 3.4.1 parallel to
> > 4.0. This is however an expensive operation for all mirror, and should
> > only be done if we anticipate patches for 3.4.1
> >
>
> Removing 3.3 is ok to me but I see demand for keeping 3.4.1. Having it
> besides 4.0 would be natural but needs some work in the download scripts
> ...
>

Just for me, do you prefer 1) or 2) ... I personally dont see a big need to
keep 3.4.1 on our servers.

rgds
jan I.

> 3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint
> as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up.
>

I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way.
>
> > We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be
> > adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using
> > externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders.
>
> Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this
> structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred
> here. "externaldist" caused some confusion and extra work on our side as
> well.
>
> >
> > We can move the discussion to dev@ is nobody objects.
>
> yes let's move to dev
>
> Juergen
>
> >
> > rgds
> > jan I.
>
>

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 31.07.2013 13:12, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

On 30/07/2013 Rob Weir wrote:

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Roberto Galoppini wrote:

If your extension is compatible with AOO 4.0, please take a moment to
update the extension's compatibility information so that end-users will
know it works with the latest release. If your extension is not
compatible


Is it clear how to do this?  Is there any doc we should point them to
for this?


The best resource we have at the moment is Hanya's list of API changes,
on the mwiki.

I linked to it from
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions/Extensions_and_Apache_OpenOffice_4.0



I have added some words about the user profile migration which handles 
user-installed extensions.


Best regards, Oliver.



Due to the several messages already seen about this topic, I added the
Extensions compatibility to the Release Notes at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes
giving also a link to the above page.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.

[Andrea Pescetti]

janI wrote:

ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project
graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under
incubator.


What is important is that the Apache archives (so, not all the mirrors, 
but at least the archives) contain all legacy versions of 
OpenOffice[.org] from 1.x to 3.4.1.


Coordinating with Henk and Infra, I've already done, over the last 
weeks, a significant number of updates to

http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
and other pages to redirect links to the archives, and I have some still 
pending.


If I understood correctly, we will also have to consolidate the archives 
so that

http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/
and
http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/
are merged.

When this is done, for me it's fine to remove 3.3.0 and 3.4.1 from the 
Apache mirrors (or the subset of Apache mirrors that are serving them at 
the moment) keeping only the copy in the archives.


The number of languages that are released in 3.4.1 but not in 4.0.0 is 
small, so it should not generate a huge traffic, and I hope that we can 
fill the gap soon.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Atualização do openoffice para appache 4.0.

[Jürgen Schmidt]

Hi Regina,

you send to an international mailing list where the main language is
English. I can't say anythig to your problem at the moment but we will
take a look in it ...

Juergen

Hi list,

I used Google translate to get an impression of the content

###
Hello, good morning!

We are users of openoffice for about 6 years and we have tried to keep
us updated with your products, so thank you for already exist.

We now have a problem with the update that did the 3.0 to 4.0 appache.
In fact a huge amount of documents parameterized the spreadsheet, the
update to be made were desparametrizados.

Specifically talk about documents that you send as attached, in which
the text was all pushed to the right, having been completely out of the
margins we need to correct data that we use A4 sheets previously printed
in fields that are invisible in this document that we send you.

How can we fix the problem without having to do each document?

We appreciate your support.

With best regards.
###

On 7/31/13 11:09 AM, Socipartan Comercial wrote:
> Olá, bom dia!
>  
> Somos utilizadores do openoffice há cerca de 6 anos e temos procurado
> manter-nos atualizados com os vossos produtos, por isso desde já
> obrigado por existirem.
>  
> Temos agora um problema com a atualização que fizemos do 3.0 para o
> appache 4.0.  Na verdade uma quantidade imensa de documentos
> parametrizados na folha de cálculo, ao ser feita a atualização ficaram
> desparametrizados.
>  
> Em concreto falo de documentos como o que vos enviamos em anexo, nos
> quais o texto foi todo empurrado para a direita, tendo ficado
> completamente fora das margens que necessitamos corrigir dado que
> utilizamos folhas de papel A4 préviamente impressas em campos que são
> invisíveis neste documento que vos enviamos.
>  
> Como poderemos corrigir o problema sem necessitar de o fazer documento a
> documento?
>  
> Agradecemos o vosso apoio.
>  
> Com os melhores cumprimentos.


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Re: Migration of User Settings from OOo3 to AOO4.0

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi

On 10.07.2013 12:03, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi all,

the first start wizard has an option to migrate user settings from an
installed version 3. For me it is a highly customized OOo3.4.1.

These are my observations:

Transfer of BASIC libraries works.

Transfer of path settings does not work. I consider this a bug, because
this "looses" templates, autotexts .., which are not at the default
place. I suggest a release note to explain, that they are not really
lost, but the paths have to be added.

Transfer of palettes work. But that is a problem, because the new color
palette is not available. People might have customized palettes, with
colors for corporate identity for example. So transferring the palettes
is not wrong in general. Perhaps a merging of the palettes is possible
in future? Because of the short time till release I suggest to explain
the situation in a release note. The new default palettes are available
in a folder "User - Kopie" (for a German Windows 7).

Transfer of user dictionaries work.

Transfer of user gallery themes work.

Transfer of user autotexts works.

Transfer of own toolbars works, including rename of commands. Only the
position is different.

Transfer of customized toolbars works partially. Additional commands are
available, but own names of these commands are not transfered. The
show/hide status of the default commands is not transfered. Deleted
default commands appear again. So the user needs to customize the
toolbar again.



Thanks for this evaluation.
I would like to improve the migration of OpenOffice 3.x user profiles 
for the next release.


Regina, it would be great, if you could create corresponding issues for 
the stuff that is not working or which could be improved. You can assign 
these issue to me. May a meta issue for tracking these new issues would 
also make sense. And if you could also make your AOO 3.4.1 user profile 
available - may be only to me - for debugging and testing purposes then 
this would be also very appreciated.


Best regards, Oliver.


Kind regards
Regina



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Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.

[Henk P. Penning]

On Wed, 31 Jul 2013, janI wrote:


Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:33:50 +0200
From: janI 
To: dev 
Cc: janI , Henk P. Penning ,
"priv...@openoffice.apache.org" 
Subject: Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.

Moving conversation to dev@



On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
  On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote:
  > Hi.
  >
  > Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your
  attention
  > to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the
  infra person
  > doing the rsync magic.
  >
  > ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the
  project
  > graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored
  under
  > incubator.
  >
  > As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy,
  but of
  > course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available
  to users
  > (especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in
  4.0).
  >
  > I see the following possibilities:
  >
  > 1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0
  and 3.4.1
  > (with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by
  infra.

+1 to keep it on SF


  This getting confused very quickly. As far as I'm concerned
  (or infra) nothing changes on SF, until the next AOO release.

  The only concern now is dist/incubator/ooo ;

  -- incubator/ooo now only has 3.4.1
  -- it is on the mirrors
  -- for 3.4.1 (and older versions)
 http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
 does NOT point to incubator/ooo anymore ;
 it points to archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/
 for stuff that once was in dist/incubator/ooo.
  -- if there are no other download pages pointing to
 www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo
 then dist/incubator/ooo can be safely removed.

  Agree? Or are there other issues I forget?

  If there ever comes a 3.4.2, we'll then consider the options.


> 3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint
> as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up.
>

  I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some
  way.

  > We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra
  need to be
  > adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not
  using
  > externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with
  subfolders.

Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this
structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's
preferred
here. "externaldist" caused some confusion and extra work on our side
as well.


  ... I'm not happy with "externaldist" also. But it is another matter.
  The plan now is (if AOO agrees) :
  -- to exclude dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries for the mirrors
  -- to copy 4.0.0/binaries into dist/openoffice/4.0.0/binaries
  -- to create a new module for SF (and communicate this with SF) ;
 this would NOT change the 4.0.0 files on SF ; it would just
 change (a little) the way SF gets the binaries.

  The third issue is "putting 4.0.0 binaries on the mirrors" ;
  there was some demand on mirrors.a.o.

  Can we, for now limit the discussion on 'incubator/ooo' ?

  Maybe Jurgen and I can discuss 'externaldist' off-line ; if
  Jurgen is comfortable with that ; if necessary we can discuss
  a proposal here later.

  Regards,

  Henk Penning

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Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.

[Henk P. Penning]

On Wed, 31 Jul 2013, Andrea Pescetti wrote:


Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:08:53 +0200
From: Andrea Pescetti 
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Henk P. Penning 
Subject: Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.

janI wrote:

> >  ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project
> >  graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under
> >  incubator.


Hi Andrea,

What is important is that the Apache archives (so, not all the mirrors, but 
at least the archives) contain all legacy versions of OpenOffice[.org] from 
1.x to 3.4.1.


  Stuff is never deleted from archive.apache.org ; so that's ok.

Coordinating with Henk and Infra, I've already done, over the last weeks, a 
significant number of updates to

http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html
and other pages to redirect links to the archives, and I have some still 
pending.


  Ah, thanks for the info.

If I understood correctly, we will also have to consolidate the archives so 
that

http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/
and
http://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/
are merged.


  Absolutely not ; such changes in archive.apache.org
  are never made ; archive.a.o/dist/ is just a copy
  of www.apache.org/dist/ without deletes.


  Andrea.


  Regards,

  Henk Penning

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Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:33 AM, janI  wrote:
> Moving conversation to dev@
>
>
> On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
>>
>> On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote:
>> > Hi.
>> >
>> > Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention
>> > to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person
>> > doing the rsync magic.
>> >
>> > ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project
>> > graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under
>> > incubator.
>> >
>> > As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of
>> > course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users
>> > (especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0).
>> >
>> > I see the following possibilities:
>> >
>> > 1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1
>> > (with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra.
>>
>> +1 to keep it on SF
>>
>> >
>> > 2) remove 3.3.0 since its a legacy version, and move 3.4.1 parallel to
>> > 4.0. This is however an expensive operation for all mirror, and should
>> > only be done if we anticipate patches for 3.4.1
>> >
>>
>> Removing 3.3 is ok to me but I see demand for keeping 3.4.1. Having it
>> besides 4.0 would be natural but needs some work in the download scripts
>> ...
>
>
> Just for me, do you prefer 1) or 2) ... I personally dont see a big need to
> keep 3.4.1 on our servers.
>

INHO it is fine to keep 3.4.1 and early on archive.apache.org and SF
only, provided Infra is OK with us pointing our website links for the
hashes and signatures of 3.4.1 and earlier to archive and not to the
dist.  I don't think the bandwidth will be significant for these.

-Rob


> rgds
> jan I.
>
>> 3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint
>> as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up.
>>
>
>> I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way.
>>
>> > We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be
>> > adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using
>> > externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders.
>>
>> Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this
>> structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred
>> here. "externaldist" caused some confusion and extra work on our side as
>> well.
>>
>> >
>> > We can move the discussion to dev@ is nobody objects.
>>
>> yes let's move to dev
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>> >
>> > rgds
>> > jan I.
>>
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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:08 AM, janI  wrote:
> On 31 July 2013 12:54, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>
>> Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>>
>>> To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or
>>> explanation in brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need
>>> explanation.
>>>
>>
>> This is my only remark too: at least, let's expand ASF and link it to
>> apache.org. For the rest, nice post!
>>
>
> bracket changes done, picture added. Now I just hope for the native
> hand/eye of rob/donald.
>

I'm done.  It looks good to go from my perspective.

Btw, is that a personal observatory/telescope in the background of the photo?

-Rob


> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
>>
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Re: Do language packs have update notifications?

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 30.07.2013 19:04, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> In OOo 3.3.0 we support Tamil with a language pack, but not a full
>> install.  In AOO 4.0 we provide a full install for Tamil, as well as a
>> language pack.
>>
>> Are we able to notify 3.3.0 users of the Tamil language pack about the
>> update?  Is that something the update notification system can handle?
>> Or does it only handle updates to the base install?
>>
>
> As far as I know and have seen in my checks the update function in AOO/OOo
> only searches for new updates for the language of the full installation
> package.
> The language of the full installation package is found in the
> version.ini|vesionrc of the installation which is composed together with the
> application name and its version into the value of 'UpdateID' - e.g.
> UpdateID=OpenOffice_4_en-US for en-US full installation package of AOO 4.0
>

OK.  This should be OK.  If a 3.3.0 user was running base en-US (or
en-GB) with Tamil langpack, then they will get an upgrade notification
based on the new 4.0 English version.  But then the locale-detection
logic on /download/index.html will see that their browser locale is
Tamil and recommend the full Tamil install of 4.0.   So I think the
most common cases will work fine.

The odd exception would be if their 3.3.0 base was, say, Swedish.  In
that case they will not be notified about an upgrade (Swedish is not
in 4.0 yet) even though we do have a fill Tamil version.

Regards,

-Rob

> Best regards, Oliver.
>
>> -Rob
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Re: Revert general point reducing for charts, indroduced to solve Excel import problem

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Regina Henschel
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> an Excel chart with lot of points hanged on opening [1] and that was fixed
> with r1388440.
>
> But it was done in a way, that it has undesirable effects. Now charts which
> much data points, that show well in AOO3.4.1, are broken. [3][4]
>
> There exists already a data point reduction to eliminate "identical" points
> for rendering, see class PlottingPositionHelper and its use. There the time
> consuming rendering is reduced, but the data series itself are not changed.
>
> I think, that the way as it is done in [2], reducing the points in the data
> series itself in general, is not the best approach, and it should be
> reverted to solve the regression introduced by it.
>

+1  IMHO, better to be slow than wrong.

There are other things we can do, beyond performance, if we want to
deal better with very dense plots.  For example, we could allow the
user to modify alpha transparency.

-Rob

> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121058
> [2] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revision&revision=1388440
> [3] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122822
> [4] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122907
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Re: Revert general point reducing for charts, indroduced to solve Excel import problem

[Herbert Duerr]

On 31.07.2013 13:25, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi all,

an Excel chart with lot of points hanged on opening [1] and that was
fixed with r1388440.

But it was done in a way, that it has undesirable effects. Now charts
which much data points, that show well in AOO3.4.1, are broken. [3][4]

There exists already a data point reduction to eliminate "identical"
points for rendering, see class PlottingPositionHelper and its use.
There the time consuming rendering is reduced, but the data series
itself are not changed.

I think, that the way as it is done in [2], reducing the points in the
data series itself in general, is not the best approach,


Agreed, the data series itself should not be tampered with.

Reducing the details only for visualization (i.e. in the chart module) 
is a much better approach. If reducing is desirable that is; but with 
Calc handling a million rows since OOo 3.3 its now too easy to make 
AOO's chart hang.


Even millions of display items shouldn't be a problem on todays 
hardware. AFAIK the scalability problem comes notifications triggering 
other notification resulting in avalanche of them. Solving that would be 
best.



and it should be reverted to solve the regression introduced by it.


It is a bad regression indeed. The change that introduced it had bad 
problems because it only handled integers, some indices were not 
properly initialized and values other than minimum and maximum were 
ignored. We have solutions for the first two problems and another fix 
introducing some additional random sampling is easy.


Until the chart-reduction or even better the notification-avalanche 
problems are solved maybe we should go with these suggested fixes as an 
intermediate step.


Herbert

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Integrate Traditional Chinese into Chunk (Was: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2))

[imacat]

On 2013/07/19 00:33, Ricardo Berlasso said:
> 2013/7/18 imacat 
>> On 2013/07/18 19:09, Jürgen Schmidt said:
>>> On 7/18/13 1:07 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 On 7/18/13 12:00 PM, imacat wrote:
> Dear all,
>>> and please create a task for this
>> And how to create a task?  Sorry I haven't done that before.
> Just create a new issue in bugzilla and assign it to Jürgen.

Sorry that I return to this issue so late.  I was having problem
logging in and was on my master thesis oral exam.

I have created an issue, but I guess I do not have the privilege to
assign to Jürgen.

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122913

Please help me on this issue (both the privilege and the Traditional
Chinese build).  Thanks.

> 
> Regards
> Ricardo
> 
> 
>>
>> And thanks to you and everyone for all these works for the release
>> of 4.0.  Sorry that I did not help much on this.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
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>> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
>> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>>
>>
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Re: Integrate Traditional Chinese into Chunk (Was: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2))

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:01 AM, imacat  wrote:
> On 2013/07/19 00:33, Ricardo Berlasso said:
>> 2013/7/18 imacat 
>>> On 2013/07/18 19:09, Jürgen Schmidt said:
 On 7/18/13 1:07 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 7/18/13 12:00 PM, imacat wrote:
>> Dear all,
 and please create a task for this
>>> And how to create a task?  Sorry I haven't done that before.
>> Just create a new issue in bugzilla and assign it to Jürgen.
>
> Sorry that I return to this issue so late.  I was having problem
> logging in and was on my master thesis oral exam.
>
> I have created an issue, but I guess I do not have the privilege to
> assign to Jürgen.
>

I just now gave you permissions.

Regards,

-Rob


> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122913
>
> Please help me on this issue (both the privilege and the Traditional
> Chinese build).  Thanks.
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Ricardo
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And thanks to you and everyone for all these works for the release
>>> of 4.0.  Sorry that I did not help much on this.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
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>>> OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
>>> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
>>> Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> imacat ^_*' 
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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[janI]

On Jul 31, 2013 3:07 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:08 AM, janI  wrote:
> > On 31 July 2013 12:54, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> >
> >> Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> >>
> >>> To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or
> >>> explanation in brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need
> >>> explanation.
> >>>
> >>
> >> This is my only remark too: at least, let's expand ASF and link it to
> >> apache.org. For the rest, nice post!
> >>
> >
> > bracket changes done, picture added. Now I just hope for the native
> > hand/eye of rob/donald.
> >
>
> I'm done.  It looks good to go from my perspective.

thx a lot, I dont undrstand why the pivture is so small, its bigger in
media files.

>
> Btw, is that a personal observatory/telescope in the background of the
photo?

yup, family hobby, I work on a webcam microcontroller stack, to take and
assemble deep space fotos.

rgds
jan i
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>   Andrea.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:22 AM, janI  wrote:
> On Jul 31, 2013 3:07 PM, "Rob Weir"  wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:08 AM, janI  wrote:
>> > On 31 July 2013 12:54, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> To aid understanding, on first use of acronyms, put full name or
>> >>> explanation in brackets. ASF, AOO and PMC (particularly PMC) need
>> >>> explanation.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> This is my only remark too: at least, let's expand ASF and link it to
>> >> apache.org. For the rest, nice post!
>> >>
>> >
>> > bracket changes done, picture added. Now I just hope for the native
>> > hand/eye of rob/donald.
>> >
>>
>> I'm done.  It looks good to go from my perspective.
>
> thx a lot, I dont undrstand why the pivture is so small, its bigger in
> media files.
>

You can control it by switching to markup mode and adjusting the width
and height parameters.  The original image was 1024px high, so
probably too large.  But you can adjust as you wish.

Also, it looked like the image and first paragraph are in a table?  I
don't know if that was intentional or something the editor did.


>>
>> Btw, is that a personal observatory/telescope in the background of the
> photo?
>
> yup, family hobby, I work on a webcam microcontroller stack, to take and
> assemble deep space fotos.
>

Cool.   I tried that a few years ago, with a Registax and video from a
Phillips web cam.  Nothing serious, just some pictures of the the moon
and mars.  But it well very impressive to see that techniques used by
professional astronomers when I was as student, like image
deconvolution and wavelet transforms, were now available for anyone to
use with inexpensive hardware.  Today I think anyone in their backyard
can make better images than the largest telescope in the world could
make in 1940.

-Rob


> rgds
> jan i
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> > rgds
>> > jan I.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>   Andrea.
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: Integrate Traditional Chinese into Chunk (Was: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2))

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 7/31/13 4:01 PM, imacat wrote:
> On 2013/07/19 00:33, Ricardo Berlasso said:
>> 2013/7/18 imacat 
>>> On 2013/07/18 19:09, Jürgen Schmidt said:
 On 7/18/13 1:07 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 7/18/13 12:00 PM, imacat wrote:
>> Dear all,
 and please create a task for this
>>> And how to create a task?  Sorry I haven't done that before.
>> Just create a new issue in bugzilla and assign it to Jürgen.
> 
> Sorry that I return to this issue so late.  I was having problem 
> logging in and was on my master thesis oral exam.
> 
> I have created an issue, but I guess I do not have the privilege
> to assign to Jürgen.
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122913

it's on trunk now
> 
> Please help me on this issue (both the privilege and the
> Traditional Chinese build).  Thanks.
> 

we will include it in the next snapshots. You can always build trunk
on your own for the platform you need. Or let us know which platform
you prefer and we will see what we can do.

Juergen


>> 
>> Regards Ricardo
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> And thanks to you and everyone for all these works for the
>>> release of 4.0.  Sorry that I did not help much on this.
>>> 
>>> -- Best regards, imacat ^_*'  PGP
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>>> http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 


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Summary of AOO 4.0 download activity for 1st week

[Rob Weir]

We released AOO 4.0 on July 23nd, mid-day UTC.  We only have summary
data for full days, so the following is really for 6.5 days of AOO
4.0, through July 29th.

1,257,653 total downloads (full installs, not including langpacks).

In comparison, the 1st 7 days of AOO 3.4.0 saw around 750K downloads,
and the 1st week of AOO 3.4.1 saw 1.1M downloads.  So we're seeing
some nice growth.

In graphical form you can see it here:
http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html

Drilling down a little we see that the downloads were:

85% Windows
13% Mac
2% Linux

Of the Linux downloads, 57% were 32-bit,  43% were 64-bit.   49% took
the DEB packages, 51% the RPM.

The top 10 downloads by language were:

en_US 497,089
de 170,089
fr 148,619
it 88,931
ja 76,421
es 68,051
ru 52,756
en_GB 49,560
nl 20,649
pt_BR 18,341

Note also:  We're about it hit the 60 million mark for total AOO
downloads (all versions) probably by tomorrow.  The count stands at
59,739,479 yesterday.

Regards,

-Rob

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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:59 PM, janI  wrote:

> Hi
>
> A while ago we discussed to get more bloggers.
>
> Since I have 1 years birthday in a couple of days, I have made a blog.
>
> I am not a native speaker, so I assume there are some mistakes in there,
> feel free to correct them.
>
> But more importantly, is this a post we as community would like to make
> public ?
>
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=developer_in_aoo_1year_celebration
>
> Please be gentle this is my first blog.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>

LOVE it! A wonderful personal perspective!


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Re: [DISCUSSION] Should source changes require [discussion] and/or issue submission?

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
> On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:00 PM, janI  wrote:
> >
> >> On 29 July 2013 23:05, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Kay Schenk wrote:
> >>>
> 
> >>
> http://www.openoffice.org/**marketing/art/galleries/logos/**aoo-working/<
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/>
>  Last week, two of the original svg files -- files prefixed with:
>  Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_**selected_2013-06
>  were changed. These changes were  not discussed in advance, nor an
> issue
>  submitted for them. Given the events of the day, it was the PMC's
> >> decision
>  to not  veto these changes, but to copy these changed originals
> 
> >>>
> >>> Thank you Kay for the reminder. I added a WARNING.txt file to the
> >>> "aoo-working" directory to help avoiding changes that have not been
> >>> discussed here first.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I like the WARNING.txt file, could we agree to use the same file for
> other
> >> "sensible" (not sure if that is the right word) areas ? I think of e.g.
> >> release notes.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> So, back the original topic. Given recent events, do we want to have a
>  changed policy to require issue submission and/or list discussion
> before
>  new commits?
> 
> >>>
> >>> I'd say we don't need it in general; it will be helpful for all
> >>> significant code changes, but surely we don't need it for the website.
> >>> Let's rely on common sense and peer scrutiny.
> >>>
> >>
> >> +1, lets not make it too complicated to work, that said with a smile !!
> For
> >> significant code changes, a discussion is a must, but I thought it was
> >> already policy ?
>
> I'm ok with adding WARNING.txt as appropriate. I can see that there may be
> either of two types of warnings.
>
> Full RTC - where any change including additions should be discussed.
>
> Adds CTR and updates RTC - where changes to existing artifacts require
> discussion.
>
> The branding tree and release notes are examples of where this is in
> affect.
>

I think this is a sensible approach -- documenting certain areas/entities
(release notes were on CWiki this time) that requires more discussion or
are specified as RTC by default.

 We don't have a "branding" area yet, but we may soon.


> It may be that changes are being made and reviewed during the discussion.
> We wouldn't be so strict. For example before the 4.1 release. Rob may start
> to create release notes by adding and then making a series of
> modifications. There would be a [DISCUSS] Starting release notes. We
> wouldn't need a discussion for every little change. It is more we want to
> be aware these are happening. The community can then help in very way from
> criticism to translation to whatever.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
> >>
> >> rgds
> >> jan I.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>  Andrea.
> >>>
> >>>
> --**--**-
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
> >> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org>
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > Here is some information on decision making/discussions:
> >
> > http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/decision-making.html
> > http://community.apache.org/committers/
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> >
> > I could not find any specific "rules" on when decision making should be
> > used. In OpenOffice, it is used on a regular basis for many different
> > changes, but WHEN to use it doesn't seem to be set in stone. And it looks
> > like, some projects have defined their own criteria.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> -
> > MzK
> >
> > Success is falling nine times and getting up ten."
> > -- Jon Bon Jovi
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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[Rory O'Farrell]

Excellent, very personal!

Two little typos:
Second line: The sponsorship allow 
Last line: living in southern pain

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A little question about other palttforms

[kalle hauser]

Dear AOO Devs,

rob weir did a nice conclusion of the download statistic for AOO 4.0. 

1. Congratulations to the growing interest for AOO and your sucessfull release 
of 4.0

2. The statistic shows that windows is the main plattform for AOO. Since Apples 
success with their touchscreen-powered smartphone and tablet, tablets with 
Android and iOS gets more and more important.
Do you plan a mobile touchscreen-optimized version of AOO 4 in the future to be 
prepared for the shift from PC to mobil plattforms like Android or iOS?
Whats about an AOO Version running in a webbrowser with cloud-connection (i 
personaly dont like clouds, but they get more and more popular)? I thinks its 
important to move with the changes in the IT-World to survive...

greetings,

BugfinderX

Re: A little question about other palttforms

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 7/31/13 6:40 PM, kalle hauser wrote:
> Dear AOO Devs,
> 
> rob weir did a nice conclusion of the download statistic for AOO 4.0. 
> 
> 1. Congratulations to the growing interest for AOO and your sucessfull 
> release of 4.0
> 
> 2. The statistic shows that windows is the main plattform for AOO. Since 
> Apples success with their touchscreen-powered smartphone and tablet, tablets 
> with Android and iOS gets more and more important.
> Do you plan a mobile touchscreen-optimized version of AOO 4 in the future to 
> be prepared for the shift from PC to mobil plattforms like Android or iOS?
> Whats about an AOO Version running in a webbrowser with cloud-connection (i 
> personaly dont like clouds, but they get more and more popular)? I thinks its 
> important to move with the changes in the IT-World to survive...
> 

I would say no concrete or detailed plans but we are watching what's
going on and we would support any initiative to start working in this
direction. AOO is based on an older and over year grown codebase and it
is not the easiest task to make this beast ready for the future. Means
it requires some work ...

But again we are open for anything and if volunteers come up and want to
work on this, we will help where we can ...

Juergen


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Re: Summary of AOO 4.0 download activity for 1st week

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 7/31/13 5:51 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> We released AOO 4.0 on July 23nd, mid-day UTC.  We only have summary
> data for full days, so the following is really for 6.5 days of AOO
> 4.0, through July 29th.
> 
> 1,257,653 total downloads (full installs, not including langpacks).
> 
> In comparison, the 1st 7 days of AOO 3.4.0 saw around 750K downloads,
> and the 1st week of AOO 3.4.1 saw 1.1M downloads.  So we're seeing
> some nice growth.
> 
> In graphical form you can see it here:
> http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html
> 
> Drilling down a little we see that the downloads were:
> 
> 85% Windows
> 13% Mac
> 2% Linux
> 
> Of the Linux downloads, 57% were 32-bit,  43% were 64-bit.   49% took
> the DEB packages, 51% the RPM.
> 
> The top 10 downloads by language were:
> 
> en_US 497,089
> de 170,089
> fr 148,619
> it 88,931
> ja 76,421
> es 68,051
> ru 52,756
> en_GB 49,560
> nl 20,649
> pt_BR 18,341
> 
> Note also:  We're about it hit the 60 million mark for total AOO
> downloads (all versions) probably by tomorrow.  The count stands at
> 59,739,479 yesterday.

some nice numbers for the end of the day, thanks for sharing Rob

Juergen

> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Should source changes require [discussion] and/or issue submission?

[janI]

On 31 July 2013 17:57, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:00 PM, janI  wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 29 July 2013 23:05, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Kay Schenk wrote:
> > >>>
> > 
> > >>
> > http://www.openoffice.org/**marketing/art/galleries/logos/**aoo-working/
> <
> > >> http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/>
> >  Last week, two of the original svg files -- files prefixed with:
> >  Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_**selected_2013-06
> >  were changed. These changes were  not discussed in advance, nor an
> > issue
> >  submitted for them. Given the events of the day, it was the PMC's
> > >> decision
> >  to not  veto these changes, but to copy these changed originals
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> Thank you Kay for the reminder. I added a WARNING.txt file to the
> > >>> "aoo-working" directory to help avoiding changes that have not been
> > >>> discussed here first.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I like the WARNING.txt file, could we agree to use the same file for
> > other
> > >> "sensible" (not sure if that is the right word) areas ? I think of
> e.g.
> > >> release notes.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> So, back the original topic. Given recent events, do we want to have
> a
> >  changed policy to require issue submission and/or list discussion
> > before
> >  new commits?
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> I'd say we don't need it in general; it will be helpful for all
> > >>> significant code changes, but surely we don't need it for the
> website.
> > >>> Let's rely on common sense and peer scrutiny.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> +1, lets not make it too complicated to work, that said with a smile
> !!
> > For
> > >> significant code changes, a discussion is a must, but I thought it was
> > >> already policy ?
> >
> > I'm ok with adding WARNING.txt as appropriate. I can see that there may
> be
> > either of two types of warnings.
> >
> > Full RTC - where any change including additions should be discussed.
> >
> > Adds CTR and updates RTC - where changes to existing artifacts require
> > discussion.
> >
> > The branding tree and release notes are examples of where this is in
> > affect.
> >
>
> I think this is a sensible approach -- documenting certain areas/entities
> (release notes were on CWiki this time) that requires more discussion or
> are specified as RTC by default.
>
>  We don't have a "branding" area yet, but we may soon.
>

Please dont forget the latest discussions about screenshots. When we define
"branding" areas and other sensible areas, we should make sure that the
source files for screenshots etc are incuded.

rgds
jan I.


>
>
> > It may be that changes are being made and reviewed during the discussion.
> > We wouldn't be so strict. For example before the 4.1 release. Rob may
> start
> > to create release notes by adding and then making a series of
> > modifications. There would be a [DISCUSS] Starting release notes. We
> > wouldn't need a discussion for every little change. It is more we want to
> > be aware these are happening. The community can then help in very way
> from
> > criticism to translation to whatever.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > >>
> > >> rgds
> > >> jan I.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>  Andrea.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > --**--**-
> > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<
> > >> dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org>
> > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > > Here is some information on decision making/discussions:
> > >
> > > http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/decision-making.html
> > > http://community.apache.org/committers/
> > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> > >
> > > I could not find any specific "rules" on when decision making should be
> > > used. In OpenOffice, it is used on a regular basis for many different
> > > changes, but WHEN to use it doesn't seem to be set in stone. And it
> looks
> > > like, some projects have defined their own criteria.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> >
> -
> > > MzK
> > >
> > > Success is falling nine times and getting up ten."
> > > -- Jon Bon Jovi
> >
> >
> > -
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> -
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>
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>  -- Jon Bon Jovi
>

Re: Summary of AOO 4.0 download activity for 1st week

[janI]

On 31 July 2013 19:18, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:

> On 7/31/13 5:51 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > We released AOO 4.0 on July 23nd, mid-day UTC.  We only have summary
> > data for full days, so the following is really for 6.5 days of AOO
> > 4.0, through July 29th.
> >
> > 1,257,653 total downloads (full installs, not including langpacks).
> >
> > In comparison, the 1st 7 days of AOO 3.4.0 saw around 750K downloads,
> > and the 1st week of AOO 3.4.1 saw 1.1M downloads.  So we're seeing
> > some nice growth.
> >
> > In graphical form you can see it here:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html
> >
> > Drilling down a little we see that the downloads were:
> >
> > 85% Windows
> > 13% Mac
> > 2% Linux
> >
> > Of the Linux downloads, 57% were 32-bit,  43% were 64-bit.   49% took
> > the DEB packages, 51% the RPM.
> >
> > The top 10 downloads by language were:
> >
> > en_US 497,089
> > de 170,089
> > fr 148,619
> > it 88,931
> > ja 76,421
> > es 68,051
> > ru 52,756
> > en_GB 49,560
> > nl 20,649
> > pt_BR 18,341
> >
> > Note also:  We're about it hit the 60 million mark for total AOO
> > downloads (all versions) probably by tomorrow.  The count stands at
> > 59,739,479 yesterday.
>
> some nice numbers for the end of the day, thanks for sharing Rob
>

indeed nice numbers. Question is how can we tell the world that we are
growing, in a polite and non-war-starting way.

rgds
jan I.


>
> Juergen
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > -
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Re: [Website]

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 30/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 07/30/2013 04:02 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

"Signatures and Hashes: KEYS , ASC , MD5 , SHA256 | Release Notes |
Older AOO Versions | Legacy OpenOffice.org"
And then make "Older AOO Versions" link to the old 3.4.1-era
download/other.html file, which we could resurrect from SVN.
Would that work?

Sure, in general yes. Should be a cheap solution.
But I doubt that it is good for the user experience to put more and more
into this small green box


Maybe, to keep it more compact and avoid introducing two new acronyms, 
AOO and OOo, that are likely to confuse the user, this could be turned into


Older versions: [3.4.1] [3.0.0]

where "3.4.1" links to http://www.openoffice.org/download/other-341.html 
and "3.3.0" links to http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/index.html


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Re: Summary of AOO 4.0 download activity for 1st week

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:26 PM, janI  wrote:
> On 31 July 2013 19:18, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
>
>> On 7/31/13 5:51 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> > We released AOO 4.0 on July 23nd, mid-day UTC.  We only have summary
>> > data for full days, so the following is really for 6.5 days of AOO
>> > 4.0, through July 29th.
>> >
>> > 1,257,653 total downloads (full installs, not including langpacks).
>> >
>> > In comparison, the 1st 7 days of AOO 3.4.0 saw around 750K downloads,
>> > and the 1st week of AOO 3.4.1 saw 1.1M downloads.  So we're seeing
>> > some nice growth.
>> >
>> > In graphical form you can see it here:
>> > http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html
>> >
>> > Drilling down a little we see that the downloads were:
>> >
>> > 85% Windows
>> > 13% Mac
>> > 2% Linux
>> >
>> > Of the Linux downloads, 57% were 32-bit,  43% were 64-bit.   49% took
>> > the DEB packages, 51% the RPM.
>> >
>> > The top 10 downloads by language were:
>> >
>> > en_US 497,089
>> > de 170,089
>> > fr 148,619
>> > it 88,931
>> > ja 76,421
>> > es 68,051
>> > ru 52,756
>> > en_GB 49,560
>> > nl 20,649
>> > pt_BR 18,341
>> >
>> > Note also:  We're about it hit the 60 million mark for total AOO
>> > downloads (all versions) probably by tomorrow.  The count stands at
>> > 59,739,479 yesterday.
>>
>> some nice numbers for the end of the day, thanks for sharing Rob
>>
>
> indeed nice numbers. Question is how can we tell the world that we are
> growing, in a polite and non-war-starting way.
>

This is what we did at 50 million:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_one_year_50

No wars followed from that blog post.

I don't think we need that level of analysis for 60 million, but maybe
a blog post that treats the 1st week (or two) of AOO 4.0 traffic, and
mentions 60 million also, would work.

This is not urgent.  I'd like to give your recent post some time on
the top of the blog page before we bump it with another.

Regards,

-Rob


> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > -Rob
>> >
>> > -
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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[janI]

On 31 July 2013 18:01, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:

> Excellent, very personal!
>
> Two little typos:
> Second line: The sponsorship allow
> Last line: living in southern pain
>
> thanks changed.

rgds
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Re: Is anyone else having CMS errors?

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM, janI  wrote:
> On 30 July 2013 01:01, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:39 PM, janI  wrote:
>> > On 30 July 2013 00:34, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk 
>> wrote:
>> >> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Am 07/28/2013 08:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> For example, when I try to apply Xuacu 's recent patch from the
>> list I
>> >> >>> get this message:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "Not Found
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The requested URL
>> >> >>> /ooo-site/wc/diff/robweir-**anonymous-epVYtB/trunk/**
>> >> >>> content/ast/index.html
>> >> >>> was not found on this server."
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I get a similar error if I try to use the bookmarklet to edit other
>> >> >>> pages.   Tried on two machines and saw this error yesterday as well.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Anyone else seeing this?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Now it's me who is getting this error.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Maybe a subtile message that it's bedtime. ;-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Marcus
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm getting this error too now. So, I'm doing changes via local
>> command
>> >> > line at the moment.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I raised this on the Infra list.  Tony had me try something that
>> >> worked, resetting the working copy via the CMS:
>> >>
>> >> https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=1;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org
>> >>
>> >> It worked for me.
>> >>
>> >
>> > yah. PCtony gives good advice.
>> >
>> > I hope everyone is aware of the ongoing effort to move from roller to WP,
>> > if anybody has strong opinions it would to advantageous  to raise it on
>> > nfrastruct...@apache.org
>> >
>> > I personally only have a question about security, how to avoid that
>> anybody
>> > publishes a blog that has not been reveiewed.
>> >
>>
>> Simple:  only allow committers to publish posts.  This reduces the
>> problem to one of only voting in committers we trust ;-)
>>
>> I don't think we need a formal workflow for this.   And in fact there
>> are some good grammar proofing plugins for WordPress.  I use one on my
>> personal blog and that way I avoid the kinds of errors I make in 1st
>> drafts that I review at Apache.
>>
>
> your knowledge could be helping us all build a better product, would you
> mind reposting on infrastructure@a.o with the specifics, I am sure pctony
> will be listening.
>
> I have some personal experience with WP (free edition) myself, and like the
> setup.
>

I looked on the infra-dev list and didn't see any WP discussions.  Is
there any plan info posted someplace.  I'm happy to review and
comment.

-Rob


> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> > rgds
>> > jan I.
>> >
>> >
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >>
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>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >>
>> -
>> >> > MzK
>> >> >
>> >> > Success is falling nine times and getting up ten."
>> >> >  -- Jon Bon Jovi
>> >>
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Re: Is anyone else having CMS errors?

[janI]

On 31 July 2013 19:52, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM, janI  wrote:
> > On 30 July 2013 01:01, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:39 PM, janI  wrote:
> >> > On 30 July 2013 00:34, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk 
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Marcus (OOo) <
> marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Am 07/28/2013 08:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> For example, when I try to apply Xuacu 's recent patch from the
> >> list I
> >> >> >>> get this message:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> "Not Found
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> The requested URL
> >> >> >>> /ooo-site/wc/diff/robweir-**anonymous-epVYtB/trunk/**
> >> >> >>> content/ast/index.html
> >> >> >>> was not found on this server."
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I get a similar error if I try to use the bookmarklet to edit
> other
> >> >> >>> pages.   Tried on two machines and saw this error yesterday as
> well.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Anyone else seeing this?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Now it's me who is getting this error.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Maybe a subtile message that it's bedtime. ;-)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Marcus
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm getting this error too now. So, I'm doing changes via local
> >> command
> >> >> > line at the moment.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I raised this on the Infra list.  Tony had me try something that
> >> >> worked, resetting the working copy via the CMS:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://cms.apache.org/redirect?new=1;uri=http://ooo-site.apache.org
> >> >>
> >> >> It worked for me.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > yah. PCtony gives good advice.
> >> >
> >> > I hope everyone is aware of the ongoing effort to move from roller to
> WP,
> >> > if anybody has strong opinions it would to advantageous  to raise it
> on
> >> > nfrastruct...@apache.org
> >> >
> >> > I personally only have a question about security, how to avoid that
> >> anybody
> >> > publishes a blog that has not been reveiewed.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Simple:  only allow committers to publish posts.  This reduces the
> >> problem to one of only voting in committers we trust ;-)
> >>
> >> I don't think we need a formal workflow for this.   And in fact there
> >> are some good grammar proofing plugins for WordPress.  I use one on my
> >> personal blog and that way I avoid the kinds of errors I make in 1st
> >> drafts that I review at Apache.
> >>
> >
> > your knowledge could be helping us all build a better product, would you
> > mind reposting on infrastructure@a.o with the specifics, I am sure
> pctony
> > will be listening.
> >
> > I have some personal experience with WP (free edition) myself, and like
> the
> > setup.
> >
>
> I looked on the infra-dev list and didn't see any WP discussions.  Is
> there any plan info posted someplace.  I'm happy to review and
> comment.
>

its mainly a discussion on infra-p and IRC. pctony is the driving force to
change to wp.

But it seems the roller problem has been pinpointed, and I dont know how
that reflects on the plans.

rgds
jan I.


>
> -Rob
>
>
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >> > rgds
> >> > jan I.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> -Rob
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
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Re: A little question about other palttforms

[Rob Weir]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> On 7/31/13 6:40 PM, kalle hauser wrote:
>> Dear AOO Devs,
>>
>> rob weir did a nice conclusion of the download statistic for AOO 4.0.
>>
>> 1. Congratulations to the growing interest for AOO and your sucessfull 
>> release of 4.0
>>
>> 2. The statistic shows that windows is the main plattform for AOO. Since 
>> Apples success with their touchscreen-powered smartphone and tablet, tablets 
>> with Android and iOS gets more and more important.
>> Do you plan a mobile touchscreen-optimized version of AOO 4 in the future to 
>> be prepared for the shift from PC to mobil plattforms like Android or iOS?
>> Whats about an AOO Version running in a webbrowser with cloud-connection (i 
>> personaly dont like clouds, but they get more and more popular)? I thinks 
>> its important to move with the changes in the IT-World to survive...
>>
>
> I would say no concrete or detailed plans but we are watching what's
> going on and we would support any initiative to start working in this
> direction. AOO is based on an older and over year grown codebase and it
> is not the easiest task to make this beast ready for the future. Means
> it requires some work ...
>
> But again we are open for anything and if volunteers come up and want to
> work on this, we will help where we can ...
>

My personal prediction:  Google takes QuickOffice (which they acquired
a few years ago) and makes it open source, under the Apache License
2.0, and it becomes the default consumer-grade productivity app on
Android, but also remains very popular on iOS.

-Rob

> Juergen
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Re: Where can I find the original files of the release notes?

[Jörg Schmidt]

> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com] 


> I am not sure if that is what you are looking for
> 
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Fidelity_Improve
> ment_Since_AOO341

Yes, thank you, those are the right documents.


Greetings,
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Re: [REVIEW] draft blog.

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 07/31/2013 05:50 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:59 PM, janI  wrote:


Hi

A while ago we discussed to get more bloggers.

Since I have 1 years birthday in a couple of days, I have made a blog.

I am not a native speaker, so I assume there are some mistakes in there,
feel free to correct them.

But more importantly, is this a post we as community would like to make
public ?


https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=developer_in_aoo_1year_celebration

Please be gentle this is my first blog.

rgds
jan I.



LOVE it! A wonderful personal perspective!


ACK, even if it's already live. I only can add my +1 to it.

Well down.

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Re: Summary of AOO 4.0 download activity for 1st week

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 07/31/2013 05:51 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

We released AOO 4.0 on July 23nd, mid-day UTC.  We only have summary
data for full days, so the following is really for 6.5 days of AOO
4.0, through July 29th.

1,257,653 total downloads (full installs, not including langpacks).

In comparison, the 1st 7 days of AOO 3.4.0 saw around 750K downloads,
and the 1st week of AOO 3.4.1 saw 1.1M downloads.  So we're seeing
some nice growth.

In graphical form you can see it here:
http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html

Drilling down a little we see that the downloads were:

85% Windows
13% Mac
2% Linux

Of the Linux downloads, 57% were 32-bit,  43% were 64-bit.   49% took
the DEB packages, 51% the RPM.

The top 10 downloads by language were:

en_US 497,089
de 170,089
fr 148,619
it 88,931
ja 76,421
es 68,051
ru 52,756
en_GB 49,560
nl 20,649
pt_BR 18,341

Note also:  We're about it hit the 60 million mark for total AOO
downloads (all versions) probably by tomorrow.  The count stands at
59,739,479 yesterday.


Thanks for the numbers and charts. It's always again impressive to see 
these hard facts.


Marcus


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Re: Portable version (X-ApacheOpenOffice by winPenPack) updated

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 07/31/2013 02:08 AM, schrieb Ricardo Berlasso:

2013/7/31 Marcus (OOo)


Am 07/28/2013 10:18 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):

  Am 07/28/2013 09:55 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher:




On Jul 28, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

  Am 07/28/2013 06:28 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher:




On Jul 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:

  Am 07/28/2013 02:18 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:



On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Marcus
(OOo)  wrote:


Am 07/28/2013 01:56 PM, schrieb janI:

  On 28 July 2013 13:47, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:


  Am 07/28/2013 12:37 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:


  On 24/07/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:


  Huge thanks for such reactivity indeed.




But a lot of people are missing it due to the "portable"
version being
too hidden in our download infrastructure.

What's the best solution to ensure that:
1) Users can actually find the "portable" version and
2) Users are correctly informed that this is a third-party port?

My proposal (subject to lazy consensus or discussion here)
would be to
modify

http://www.openoffice.org/download/





as follows: add it to the line that says
Get all platforms, languages, language packs | Source Code
tarballs and
SDK |
so that it becomes
Get all platforms, languages, language packs | Source Code
tarballs and
SDK | Third-party and portable versions

and to link the additional text to
http://www.openoffice.org/porting/





so that people are correctly informed. This also ensures that
when/if we
have other portable versions available nothing needs to be
changed.



To have a visible impression see here:


http://ooo-site.staging.**apac**he.org/download/test/**index.**
html<
http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**index.html







+1, is "portings" the right word ? my dictionary suggest
"ports", but I
am
no native speaker.




Hm, my favorite online dictionary says "portings". ;-) Let's see
what our
native speakers will say.



"ports" is more usual in a software context.

But "portable" is ambiguous, since it means two things: 1) capable of
being ported to multiple platforms. 2) something you can carry.

Since we offer portable code, ports of the binaries and a portable
version, it is hard to avoid confusion here ;-)



The link says:
Portable USB version and other third-party portings



I think "Third-party ports including a portable USB version" is
better US English.



and the title:
Get Apache OpenOffice as portable USB version or choose from other
third-party portings



"Get third-party ports of Apache OpenOffice including a portable USB
version."



I want to put the portable thing first as it seems to be the more
important info. So, how to do it in better English?



Link: "Portable USB versions and third-party ports."

Title: "Get Apache OpenOffice software packaged as portable USB
versions and third-party ports."



Thanks, I've corrected the text.



This little change is now also live.



Looks nice! I've tried to implement this on the ES download site but almost
break the page...  I'm not on good relations with html (it's all OK, in
fact I ended correcting a typo...). I'll look at this again later.


If you need a helping hand, just give me a mail.

Maybe you should wait a few days until the new webpage(s) have been 
settled down a bit with the last mirco fixes - as I can see already the 
next requests.


Marcus




  Shouldn't this be enough to make it clear? Or is it better when I

replace "Portable USB version" with "Portable USB App"?



If we say App then users will be thinking "App Store".



OK

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Re: Portable version (X-ApacheOpenOffice by winPenPack) updated

[Ricardo Berlasso]

2013/7/31 Marcus (OOo) 

> Am 07/31/2013 02:08 AM, schrieb Ricardo Berlasso:
>
>> 2013/7/31 Marcus (OOo)
>>
>>  Am 07/28/2013 10:18 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>>>
>>>   Am 07/28/2013 09:55 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>


> On Jul 28, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>
>   Am 07/28/2013 06:28 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher:
>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 5:46 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>
>>>   Am 07/28/2013 02:18 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>

  On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Marcus
> (OOo)  wrote:
>
>  Am 07/28/2013 01:56 PM, schrieb janI:
>>
>>   On 28 July 2013 13:47, Marcus (OOo)
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>   Am 07/28/2013 12:37 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>

   On 24/07/2013 Hagar Delest wrote:

>
>   Huge thanks for such reactivity indeed.
>
>>
>>
>>  But a lot of people are missing it due to the "portable"
> version being
> too hidden in our download infrastructure.
>
> What's the best solution to ensure that:
> 1) Users can actually find the "portable" version and
> 2) Users are correctly informed that this is a third-party
> port?
>
> My proposal (subject to lazy consensus or discussion here)
> would be to
> modify
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/
> 
> >
> 
> 
> >
>
>
>>
> as follows: add it to the line that says
> Get all platforms, languages, language packs | Source Code
> tarballs and
> SDK |
> so that it becomes
> Get all platforms, languages, language packs | Source Code
> tarballs and
> SDK | Third-party and portable versions
>
> and to link the additional text to
> http://www.openoffice.org/**porting/
> 
> >
> 
> 
> >
>
>
>>
> so that people are correctly informed. This also ensures that
> when/if we
> have other portable versions available nothing needs to be
> changed.
>
>
>  To have a visible impression see here:


 http://ooo-site.staging.apac**he.org/download/test/
 index.** 
 html
 ><
 http://ooo-site.staging.**apac**he.org/download/test/**index.**
 html <
 http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**index.html
 >

>
>


  +1, is "portings" the right word ? my dictionary suggest
>>> "ports", but I
>>> am
>>> no native speaker.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hm, my favorite online dictionary says "portings". ;-) Let's see
>> what our
>> native speakers will say.
>>
>>
>>  "ports" is more usual in a software context.
>
> But "portable" is ambiguous, since it means two things: 1) capable
> of
> being ported to multiple platforms. 2) something you can carry.
>
> Since we offer portable code, ports of the binaries and a portable
> version, it is hard to avoid confusion here ;-)
>
>
 The link says:
 Portable USB version and other third-party portings


>>> I think "Third-party ports including a portable USB version" is
>>> better US English.
>>>
>>>
 and the title:
 Get Apache OpenOffice as portable USB version or choose from other
 third-party portings


>>> "Get third-party ports of Apache OpenOffice including a portable USB
>>> version."
>>>
>>>
>> I want to put the 

Re: [Website]

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 07/31/2013 07:31 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 30/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote:

Am 07/30/2013 04:02 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

"Signatures and Hashes: KEYS , ASC , MD5 , SHA256 | Release Notes |
Older AOO Versions | Legacy OpenOffice.org"
And then make "Older AOO Versions" link to the old 3.4.1-era
download/other.html file, which we could resurrect from SVN.
Would that work?

Sure, in general yes. Should be a cheap solution.
But I doubt that it is good for the user experience to put more and more
into this small green box


Maybe, to keep it more compact and avoid introducing two new acronyms,
AOO and OOo, that are likely to confuse the user, this could be turned into

Older versions: [3.4.1] [3.0.0]


OK, changed - with the next publish.


where "3.4.1" links to http://www.openoffice.org/download/other-341.html
and "3.3.0" links to http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/index.html


The intension was to give a differenciation on the first view. But maybe 
the webpage behind the link is explaining the respective release well 
enough or even better.


BTW:
I've noticed that the text is still old when JS is disabled. I've 
updated this, too.


Marcus


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Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 07/31/2013 01:33 PM, schrieb janI:

Moving conversation to dev@


On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:


On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote:

Hi.

Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention
to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person
doing the rsync magic.

ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project
graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under
incubator.

As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of
course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users
(especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0).

I see the following possibilities:

1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1
(with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra.


+1 to keep it on SF



2) remove 3.3.0 since its a legacy version, and move 3.4.1 parallel to
4.0. This is however an expensive operation for all mirror, and should
only be done if we anticipate patches for 3.4.1



Removing 3.3 is ok to me but I see demand for keeping 3.4.1. Having it
besides 4.0 would be natural but needs some work in the download scripts
...



Just for me, do you prefer 1) or 2) ... I personally dont see a big need to
keep 3.4.1 on our servers.


+1 to keep 3.4.1. But no need on Apache servers. On SF it should be enough.

Marcus




3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint
as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up.



I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way.



We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be
adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using
externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders.


Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this
structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred
here. "externaldist" caused some confusion and extra work on our side as
well.



We can move the discussion to dev@ is nobody objects.


yes let's move to dev

Juergen



rgds
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[Extensions]User reports problem updating an extension

[Ricardo Berlasso]

A Spanish user report problems updating an extension

http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/professional-template-pack-ii-spanish

(a translation to Professional Template Pack II - English)

As you can see, there are two download entries: the lower one leads nowhere
(the download site report "file could not be found or is not available")
while the other is an external link to google drive. The extension used to
be hosted on an external server, but the user prefers to upload it on the
extension site and delete the google drive link: the problem is that he is
not able to do so.

Note that the author maintain several other extensions (mainly, clip-arts)
without problem.

Maybe the extension is too big (~20 MiB)?

Regards
Ricardo

Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 07/31/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:33 AM, janI  wrote:

Moving conversation to dev@


On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:


On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote:

Hi.

Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention
to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person
doing the rsync magic.

ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project
graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under
incubator.

As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of
course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users
(especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0).

I see the following possibilities:

1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1
(with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra.


+1 to keep it on SF



2) remove 3.3.0 since its a legacy version, and move 3.4.1 parallel to
4.0. This is however an expensive operation for all mirror, and should
only be done if we anticipate patches for 3.4.1



Removing 3.3 is ok to me but I see demand for keeping 3.4.1. Having it
besides 4.0 would be natural but needs some work in the download scripts
...



Just for me, do you prefer 1) or 2) ... I personally dont see a big need to
keep 3.4.1 on our servers.



INHO it is fine to keep 3.4.1 and early on archive.apache.org and SF
only, provided Infra is OK with us pointing our website links for the
hashes and signatures of 3.4.1 and earlier to archive and not to the
dist.  I don't think the bandwidth will be significant for these.


I was told that these files must be linked from "www.apache.org/dist/" 
only and always. If we can get now an exception for 
"archive.apache.org/dist/" - hey, it's hosted by Apache, too :-) - this 
would be good.


Marcus




3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint
as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up.




I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way.


We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be
adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using
externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders.


Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this
structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred
here. "externaldist" caused some confusion and extra work on our side as
well.



We can move the discussion to dev@ is nobody objects.


yes let's move to dev

Juergen



rgds
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Re: Summary of AOO 4.0 download activity for 1st week

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:

> Am 07/31/2013 05:51 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>  We released AOO 4.0 on July 23nd, mid-day UTC.  We only have summary
>> data for full days, so the following is really for 6.5 days of AOO
>> 4.0, through July 29th.
>>
>> 1,257,653 total downloads (full installs, not including langpacks).
>>
>> In comparison, the 1st 7 days of AOO 3.4.0 saw around 750K downloads,
>> and the 1st week of AOO 3.4.1 saw 1.1M downloads.  So we're seeing
>> some nice growth.
>>
>> In graphical form you can see it here:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/**stats/downloads.html
>>
>> Drilling down a little we see that the downloads were:
>>
>> 85% Windows
>> 13% Mac
>> 2% Linux
>>
>> Of the Linux downloads, 57% were 32-bit,  43% were 64-bit.   49% took
>> the DEB packages, 51% the RPM.
>>
>> The top 10 downloads by language were:
>>
>> en_US 497,089
>> de 170,089
>> fr 148,619
>> it 88,931
>> ja 76,421
>> es 68,051
>> ru 52,756
>> en_GB 49,560
>> nl 20,649
>> pt_BR 18,341
>>
>> Note also:  We're about it hit the 60 million mark for total AOO
>> downloads (all versions) probably by tomorrow.  The count stands at
>> 59,739,479 yesterday.
>>
>
Really impressive and thanks for the other stats as well.



>
> Thanks for the numbers and charts. It's always again impressive to see
> these hard facts.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Should source changes require [discussion] and/or issue submission?

[Kay Schenk]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:23 AM, janI  wrote:

> On 31 July 2013 17:57, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Dave Fisher 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:00 PM, janI  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 29 July 2013 23:05, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Kay Schenk wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > 
> > > >>
> > >
> http://www.openoffice.org/**marketing/art/galleries/logos/**aoo-working/
> > <
> > > >>
> http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/>
> > >  Last week, two of the original svg files -- files prefixed with:
> > >  Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_**selected_2013-06
> > >  were changed. These changes were  not discussed in advance, nor an
> > > issue
> > >  submitted for them. Given the events of the day, it was the PMC's
> > > >> decision
> > >  to not  veto these changes, but to copy these changed originals
> > > 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thank you Kay for the reminder. I added a WARNING.txt file to the
> > > >>> "aoo-working" directory to help avoiding changes that have not been
> > > >>> discussed here first.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> I like the WARNING.txt file, could we agree to use the same file for
> > > other
> > > >> "sensible" (not sure if that is the right word) areas ? I think of
> > e.g.
> > > >> release notes.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So, back the original topic. Given recent events, do we want to
> have
> > a
> > >  changed policy to require issue submission and/or list discussion
> > > before
> > >  new commits?
> > > 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'd say we don't need it in general; it will be helpful for all
> > > >>> significant code changes, but surely we don't need it for the
> > website.
> > > >>> Let's rely on common sense and peer scrutiny.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> +1, lets not make it too complicated to work, that said with a smile
> > !!
> > > For
> > > >> significant code changes, a discussion is a must, but I thought it
> was
> > > >> already policy ?
> > >
> > > I'm ok with adding WARNING.txt as appropriate. I can see that there may
> > be
> > > either of two types of warnings.
> > >
> > > Full RTC - where any change including additions should be discussed.
> > >
> > > Adds CTR and updates RTC - where changes to existing artifacts require
> > > discussion.
> > >
> > > The branding tree and release notes are examples of where this is in
> > > affect.
> > >
> >
> > I think this is a sensible approach -- documenting certain areas/entities
> > (release notes were on CWiki this time) that requires more discussion or
> > are specified as RTC by default.
> >
> >  We don't have a "branding" area yet, but we may soon.
> >
>
> Please dont forget the latest discussions about screenshots. When we define
> "branding" areas and other sensible areas, we should make sure that the
> source files for screenshots etc are incuded.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>


good point!  I think we may have a lot to track down.


>
> >
> >
> > > It may be that changes are being made and reviewed during the
> discussion.
> > > We wouldn't be so strict. For example before the 4.1 release. Rob may
> > start
> > > to create release notes by adding and then making a series of
> > > modifications. There would be a [DISCUSS] Starting release notes. We
> > > wouldn't need a discussion for every little change. It is more we want
> to
> > > be aware these are happening. The community can then help in very way
> > from
> > > criticism to translation to whatever.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> rgds
> > > >> jan I.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regards,
> > > >>>  Andrea.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >
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> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Here is some information on decision making/discussions:
> > > >
> > > > http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/decision-making.html
> > > > http://community.apache.org/committers/
> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
> > > >
> > > > I could not find any specific "rules" on when decision making should
> be
> > > > used. In OpenOffice, it is used on a regular basis for many different
> > > > changes, but WHEN to use it doesn't seem to be set in stone. And it
> > looks
> > > > like, some projects have defined their own criteria.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > >
> >
> -
> > > > MzK
> > > >
> > > > Success is falling nine times and getting up ten."
> > > > -- Jon Bon Jovi
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > 

Re: New OpenOffice volunteer

[Kay Schenk]

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Edward Kuang  wrote:

> My name is Edward and I'm from the bay area in California. I'm a university
> student in my second year studying computer science. I use OpenOffice and I
> like it. Contributing to this project would improve my coding skills as
> well as making the project better. I've never worked on an open source
> project before and was wondering if this is a good first project to
> contribute to. I realize that the scope of the project is immense, but
> because there are so many people working on it, I'll get a lot of help too.
> I'm free most nights during the summer and I figured this would be quite
> productive for me. Thanks for your time.
>
> -Ed
>

Hello Edward, and thanks for contacting the development list. I think you
would find working with Apache OpenOffice a very productive use of your
time!

We usually point new volunteers to our Orientation page:
http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html

Level 3 covers Development, an area we hope you'll find useful.

But, as you say, this is a large project  where you find lots of helpful
folks.

Thanks for your interest.

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Success is falling nine times and getting up ten."
 -- Jon Bon Jovi

Re: [DISCUSSION] Should source changes require [discussion] and/or issue submission?

[Marcus (OOo)]

Am 07/31/2013 07:23 PM, schrieb janI:

On 31 July 2013 17:57, Kay Schenk  wrote:


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Dave Fisher
wrote:



On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:00 PM, janI  wrote:


On 29 July 2013 23:05, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:


Kay Schenk wrote:






http://www.openoffice.org/**marketing/art/galleries/logos/**aoo-working/

<

http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/>

Last week, two of the original svg files -- files prefixed with:
Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_**selected_2013-06
were changed. These changes were  not discussed in advance, nor an

issue

submitted for them. Given the events of the day, it was the PMC's

decision

to not  veto these changes, but to copy these changed originals



Thank you Kay for the reminder. I added a WARNING.txt file to the
"aoo-working" directory to help avoiding changes that have not been
discussed here first.



I like the WARNING.txt file, could we agree to use the same file for

other

"sensible" (not sure if that is the right word) areas ? I think of

e.g.

release notes.




So, back the original topic. Given recent events, do we want to have

a

changed policy to require issue submission and/or list discussion

before

new commits?



I'd say we don't need it in general; it will be helpful for all
significant code changes, but surely we don't need it for the

website.

Let's rely on common sense and peer scrutiny.



+1, lets not make it too complicated to work, that said with a smile

!!

For

significant code changes, a discussion is a must, but I thought it was
already policy ?


I'm ok with adding WARNING.txt as appropriate. I can see that there may

be

either of two types of warnings.

Full RTC - where any change including additions should be discussed.

Adds CTR and updates RTC - where changes to existing artifacts require
discussion.

The branding tree and release notes are examples of where this is in
affect.



I think this is a sensible approach -- documenting certain areas/entities
(release notes were on CWiki this time) that requires more discussion or
are specified as RTC by default.

  We don't have a "branding" area yet, but we may soon.



Please dont forget the latest discussions about screenshots. When we define
"branding" areas and other sensible areas, we should make sure that the
source files for screenshots etc are incuded.


A branding area is a very good idea. Of course we need 2:

1) for the source code: logos, icons, license, notice, readme etc.
2) for the websites: logos, screenshots, release notes etc.

Here we can define a different handling like RTC and explain this in a 
"WARNING.txt" file.


Marcus




It may be that changes are being made and reviewed during the discussion.
We wouldn't be so strict. For example before the 4.1 release. Rob may

start

to create release notes by adding and then making a series of
modifications. There would be a [DISCUSS] Starting release notes. We
wouldn't need a discussion for every little change. It is more we want to
be aware these are happening. The community can then help in very way

from

criticism to translation to whatever.

Regards,
Dave




rgds
jan I.




Regards,
  Andrea.



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Here is some information on decision making/discussions:

http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/decision-making.html
http://community.apache.org/committers/
http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles

I could not find any specific "rules" on when decision making should be
used. In OpenOffice, it is used on a regular basis for many different
changes, but WHEN to use it doesn't seem to be set in stone. And it

looks

like, some projects have defined their own criteria.


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Web Development program?

[Stephen Guesman]

Dear Folks -

Does AOO have (or can recommend) a free web development program?

I have a domain name and a host, I just need a program to develop the site.
Seems like all the 'free web site builders' are selling the hosting and/or
domain registry.

Stephen Guesman
GreenWorks Design/Build
greenworks...@gmail.com
205-919-6231

Re: Release 3.4.1 storage and incubator removal.

[sebb]

On 31 July 2013 21:31, Marcus (OOo)  wrote:
> Am 07/31/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:33 AM, janI  wrote:
>>>
>>> Moving conversation to dev@
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31 July 2013 13:28, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:


 On 7/31/13 1:07 PM, janI wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Based on a discussion today on IRC, I would like to draw your attention
> to the following challenge. henkp is cc because he is the infra person
> doing the rsync magic.
>
> ASF has a policy that incubator/xxx should be removed when the project
> graduates. We still have our 3.4.1 (and 3.3.0) release stored under
> incubator.
>
> As part of cleaning rsync, infra want to enforce the policy, but of
> course respect and understand our need to have 3.4.1 available to users
> (especially because 3.4.1 contains languages not released in 4.0).
>
> I see the following possibilities:
>
> 1) remove openoffice from incubator, but leave version 3.3.0 and 3.4.1
> (with language packs) on the SF mirror. This is preferred by infra.


 +1 to keep it on SF

>
> 2) remove 3.3.0 since its a legacy version, and move 3.4.1 parallel to
> 4.0. This is however an expensive operation for all mirror, and should
> only be done if we anticipate patches for 3.4.1
>

 Removing 3.3 is ok to me but I see demand for keeping 3.4.1. Having it
 besides 4.0 would be natural but needs some work in the download scripts
 ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just for me, do you prefer 1) or 2) ... I personally dont see a big need
>>> to
>>> keep 3.4.1 on our servers.
>>>
>>
>> INHO it is fine to keep 3.4.1 and early on archive.apache.org and SF
>> only, provided Infra is OK with us pointing our website links for the
>> hashes and signatures of 3.4.1 and earlier to archive and not to the
>> dist.  I don't think the bandwidth will be significant for these.
>
>
> I was told that these files must be linked from "www.apache.org/dist/" only
> and always. If we can get now an exception for "archive.apache.org/dist/" -
> hey, it's hosted by Apache, too :-) - this would be good.

www.apache.org/dist/ - current release(s)
archive.apache.org/dist/ - archived releases

See:
http://www.apache.org/dev/mirrors.html#location
http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#when-to-archive

> Marcus
>
>
>
>
 3) persuade infra to keep incubator for 3.4.1, but limit the footprint
 as much as possible, remove 3.3.0 and put a timelimit up.

>>>
 I believe we can manage to move it out of the incubator in some way.

> We are also adviced, that if/when we change our layout infra need to be
> adviced well in advance. In my opinion we should consider not using
> externaldist, but have the total release in one folder with subfolders.


 Well externaldist was not our idea and I copied the files in this
 structure of advice from infra. We should first clarify what's preferred
 here. "externaldist" caused some confusion and extra work on our side as
 well.

>
> We can move the discussion to dev@ is nobody objects.


 yes let's move to dev

 Juergen

>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
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RE: Downloading latest version of Open office

[Edward Reyes]

i think you guys blew it this time. T-Mobile will not complete a call without 
the prefix ONE, which means the number cannot be verified unless you spell out 
the complete number. e.g. 1-626-422-4343.

Thank you,
Ed

Compatibility with CAT programmes? e.g. Metatexis

[Stephen Reader]

Dear, brave Developers, 

One: Thanks. 
Two: My 'day job' is translating (art texts). To date, I haven't looked into 
Computer Aided Translation, since my field does not involve the masses of 
repetitions and variations (as in scientific texts, surveys, legal...) that 
these programmes are best at facilitating; but am now testing Metatexis 
(developer/proprietor: Hermann Bruns; http://www.metatexis.com/). The programme 
has been praised for its owner's commitment and background as a translator 
himself; it does look useful. He's also correspondablei with in person. But so 
far, it only works in MS Word (and its MS fellows in Pro edition and higher). 
It's also more affordable than - as yet - better-known programmes such as 
Trados. Might this be an interesting field for you to explore and ultimately 
make OO and, at least, Metatexis, compatible, maybe in collaboration with 
Hermann Bruns? 

I've been using OO and on a MacBook, NeoOffice (are you two arms of one 
developer team?), since MS introduced fees - high fees - for any but 
'private/home' use of Word etc; but have had to return to my old MS Word to 
test the translation programme. Compatibility with OO and /or NeoOffice would 
be a boon. 

Kind regards 

Stephen Reader

Re: Downloading latest version of Open office

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Ed,

You should never need a phone number or make a call to download or otherwise 
activate Apache OpenOffice.

Please download from http://www.openoffice.org/download

Regards,
Dave

On Jul 31, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Edward Reyes wrote:

> i think you guys blew it this time. T-Mobile will not complete a call without 
> the prefix ONE, which means the number cannot be verified unless you spell 
> out the complete number. e.g. 1-626-422-4343.
> 
> Thank you,
> Ed


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Re: IA2 branch testing of r1484083 merege with trunk

[James Teh]

On 9/07/2013 3:53 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Anyhow, the last build we had to work against was against r1484083 from May
18th--you have not missed anything.
Actually, the last build I had a chance to test was from February. Does 
anyone have a working link to this latest build?


Jamie

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Insert Command

[Rajath Shashidhara]

Hello,

The API reference for service com::sun::star:ucb::Content says:

On successful completion of this command, the parent of the inserted
 // content must propagate the change by notifying a
 // ContentEvent  - ContentAction
::INSERTED .


But, how will the parent of the content created/inserted know that a child
was inserted?
What I have done is that the content created itself will notify the
ContentAction - INSERTED to the attached listeners.

Should I keep track of the changes in the child for a parent folder? and
How to do it?

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M.Sc(Hons.) Physics,
Birla Institute of Technology and Science - Pilani,
Pilani