Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread left channel

sgmlaw wrote: 
> I know Sonos is a more plug-and-play all-in-one solution.  But the
> Squeezebox is worth the small extra effort.  

Hear, hear. I'll drink to that!



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SqueezePlay, Win Squeezelite-X • Control apps: Android Squeezer, Win
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Re: [slim] Slimdevices Squeezebox Classic stopped working

2018-11-25 Thread philippe_44

sgmlaw wrote: 
> I agree with Phillipe on this one.  If you pulled the wi-fi card and it
> is still rebooting, then it is likely the mainboard.
> 
> A complete recap of a classic is not worth the effort, IMO.  The SMD
> ones can be a PITA to work with unless you have the right iron and an
> experienced touch.  You’re going to invest around $20 throwing parts at
> a unit now worth $75, with no assurance of success.   And one with
> enough mileage on it to requre a full recap means the display may be
> closer to the end than the beginning.
> 
> 

The one good thing with the Classic MB is that you can remove the SMD
caps with the "twisting" method. It works, no damage, the PCB pads &
traces are strong enough so it makes it super easy and fast. Having said
that, resoldering the new ones can be difficult as space is limited for
a few of them and you need to proceed in the right order. I personally
did that with a combination of hot air gun and soldering iron. The whole
thing is a ~60 minutes job. But if you have no experience doing that
sort of things, it will be too difficult. As said before, if you don't
want it, sell it for parts on eBay, don't scrap it!



LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos
PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000,
ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi
B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010,
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Re: [slim] Slimdevices Squeezebox Classic stopped working

2018-11-25 Thread sgmlaw

I agree with Phillipe on this one.  If you pulled the wi-fi card and it
is still rebooting, then it is likely the mainboard.

The output couplers are the typical cap failure point on these.  And
that would not cause this problem.  If you want to take a blind stab
without deeper circuit testing, try replacing the conventional axial and
radial electrolytics.  SMD electrolytics tend to have better seal
integrity than larger conventional types.  The industry service life of
an electrolytic properly spec’ed should be 15-20 years.  But ones
sourced from a lesser quality manufacturer and occasionally even a
top-tier Nichicon or Sprague have been known to fail prematurely.

A complete recap of a classic is not worth the effort, IMO.  The SMD
ones can be a PITA to work with unless you have the right iron and an
experienced touch.  You’re going to invest around $20 throwing parts at
a unit now worth $75, with no assurance of success.   And one with
enough mileage on it to requre a full recap means the display may be
closer to the end than the beginning.

If the unit has had any prior work done on it, double check for cold
joints and overheated/lifted traces and pads.  That kind of flaw can
also cause intermittants and spontaneous reboots.

If you can say goodbye to it and have the funds, the Touch is a
decidedly better player and a more reliable one, IMO.



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Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread sgmlaw

No flames intended.  I don’t consider 24-bit audio that much of an
audiophile talking point in 2018, especially when a $200 Chromecast
speaker can now pull it off.

Anyone building any reasonable audio system today should expect 24-bit
playback capability.  It’s now mainstream.  And it sounds appreciably
better.



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Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread philippe_44


Maybe we don't want to start an audiophile flame war and stick to the OP
;)?



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PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000,
ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi
B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010,
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Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread sgmlaw


left channel wrote: 
> I agree with your rant 100% :-)  except for this: as I'm sure you know,
> with the 'edo app'
> (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94512-Announce-Enhanced-Digital-Output-app-USB-Dac-and-192k-Digital-Ouput)
> a Squeezebox Touch can stream 24/192 tracks via the USB port to an
> external DAC.


That's what I said ;)

On one system we do exactly that to pass a 24/96 bitstream through a
Touch to a tubed output stage DAC.  Digital output only in the EDO
settings.

The Touch can certainly handle 24 bits.  But the Touch's analog output
stage can not compete with a tubed DAC output stage.

Once 24-bit media became mainstream, I find we only spin our vinyl on
Sundays anymore.  It is that close, but the LMS is 1000x more
convenient.

I know Sonos is a more plug-and-play all-in-one solution.  But the
Squeezebox is worth the small extra effort.  

Even our Chromecast soundbar can handle 24-bit streams.  There is no
excuse in late 2018 for lacking 24-bit audio capability.



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Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread left channel

sgmlaw wrote: 
> 
> The Squeezeboxes can't handle the newer 192 kHz sampling.  But I have a
> very hard time hearing meaningful differences between 192 and 96 kHz,
> and we have a first-rate setup.  And even if I could, there is even a
> digital pass-through app available through the community to pass it to a
> 196 khz capable DAC.

I agree with your rant 100% :-)  except for this: as I'm sure you know,
with the 'edo app'
(https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94512-Announce-Enhanced-Digital-Output-app-USB-Dac-and-192k-Digital-Ouput)
a Squeezebox Touch can stream 24/192 tracks via the USB port to an
external DAC.



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Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread sgmlaw


24-bit audio.

Unless Sonos has had a major philosophical change recently, the last I
checked they refused to support 24 bit-audio.

And their stated corporate rationale for refusing to do so was as
insulting as it was nonsensical:  That 24-bit audio "doesn't sound any
better than 16-bit".  Maybe it all sounds the same on their equipment.

But that is a completely ridiculous position.  A well-mastered 24/96
high definition stream starts to finally approach good vinyl playback in
nuance, note decay, and tonal spectrum on a better system.  

The best Redbook isn't even close, and you can upsample it until the
cows come home.  You can't add what's already missing.  Redbook is what
kept me spinning vinyl through the digital dark ages.

We play a lot of high definition media now.  Very refined 24-bit filter
and DAC chipsets have now been around for over 25 years.  A BB
PCM1704U-K grade chipset will still stomp all over whatever is in the
newest Sonos and the horse it rode in on at 24-bit word lengths.  

The Touch, and the Transporter in particular, do a very capable job
presenting these higher bitrate streams.  It's one area where the
Squeezebox team had foresight and crushed it.  Sonos is patently full of
it when it comes to 24-bit audio.

The Squeezeboxes can't handle the newer 192 kHz sampling.  But I have a
very hard time hearing meaningful differences between 192 and 96 kHz,
and we have a first-rate setup.  And even if I could, there is even a
digital pass-through app available through the community to pass it to a
196 khz capable DAC.

Just my 2c on why a Sonos device will never enter our house.  Never
disparage 24-bit audio because your product can't handle it.



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Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread Apesbrain


I'm a die-hard Squeezebox fan, but with Sonos PLAY:1 going for as little
as $135 right now, it would be hard to recommend anything else.  Buy a
few for the key rooms and add on as you can afford.  If you want higher
fidelity, get a Play:5.  If you want to plug it into an existing
receiver/HTIB, get a Sonos Connect.  If you want Alexa support, buy a
Sonos One.  Each room can be its own zone, or you can synchronize them
however you like.  You can add a second speaker in a zone and configure
them as stereo.  No server required; just copy your music to a portable
hard drive and hang it off your wireless modem, if possible.  Control
via smartphone/tablet app.  Supports internet radio and music streaming
services, too.

Another cool option are the Google Home devices.  I have one and it
sounds surprisingly good; the Google Home Max should be even better. 
Logitech Media Server can make your local music library available to
these players.  For that matter, if you're running LMS on a PC somewhere
on your network then you can add however many zones you like using an
inexpensive Raspberry Pi player or any device that supports DLNA.



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Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread philippe_44


Stedek97 wrote: 
> I have a bunch of different pieces of equipment, but I have a big house
> and I want to put something together that makes sense and has multi-room
> functionality. As it is right now, I can't listen to the same thing in
> more than one room, and I don't feel like I have a central location in
> which to play music from. I wish to improve this with something smart
> and (hopefully) simple. I'd like to work with my equipment if possible,
> but I'm open to other ideas if I'm better off without it. 
> 
> Here's what all I have to work with: One Onkyo HIB (5 small speakers,
> passive sub, tuner), One Yamaha Tuner, one cheap set of outdoor
> speakers, one pc with a decent external speaker set, one macbook laptop,
> a wireless network, and 2 ipods.

Just a quick note: The Onkyo HIB and the Yamaha tuner probably work with
at least UPnP and maybe AirPlay. If they do UPnP, then they can be
directly integrated in LMS but w/o synchronization which I understand is
something you might want. If they do AirPlay, then you'll have audio
sync as well. The PC and the macbook can run squeezelite and become 1st
class member of LMS. I personally have a mix of UPnP, Chromecast,
AirPlay, real SB and Pi-based devices. I also have a large house and
want sync with all sort of dynamic group hence I wrote these plugin,
including Group Players.

Depending of your priorities and skills/interest in tinkering you can

1- Start with your existing devices and see if/how they can be
integrated natively with LMS
2- Buy used SB boxes on eBay to use your existing equipment as just
amp/speakers
3- Build Pi-based boxes as a variant of 2-
4- Buy new equipment which is compatible with LMS (AirPlay if you want
sync). Most A/V units and speakers sets like Yamaha WX or Riva families
are also compatible with AirPlay



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PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000,
ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi
B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010,
AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5

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Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread left channel

Stedek97 wrote: 
> I have a bunch of different pieces of equipment, but I have a big house
> and I want to put something together that makes sense and has multi-room
> functionality. As it is right now, I can't listen to the same thing in
> more than one room, and I don't feel like I have a central location in
> which to play music from. I wish to improve this with something smart
> and (hopefully) simple. I'd like to work with my equipment if possible,
> but I'm open to other ideas if I'm better off without it. 
> 
> Here's what all I have to work with: One Onkyo HIB (5 small speakers,
> passive sub, tuner), One Yamaha Tuner, one cheap set of outdoor
> speakers, one pc with a decent external speaker set, one macbook laptop,
> a wireless network, and 2 ipods.

Buy a Squeezebox Touch on eBay and see if you like it. It was the last
model, and still the best choice for most. 

Onkyo HTIB - connect a Touch via the RCA jacks
Yamaha tuner - connect a Touch via the RCA jacks
Outdoor speakers - connect a Touch via the external speaker jack
Windows PC - install LMS and leave the PC on, and for a player/control
app install Squeezelite-X
Mac laptop -  install SqueezePlay for a player and use the LMS web
interface as your control app there 

iPods... can't help you there. Put the music on your LMS server. Control
the entire network from the computers and/or from iPhone or Android
using apps like iPeng or Squeezer.

For your home theater system there are also higher end headless streamer
products like the Sonore ultraRendu. In-between are many Rasberry Pi
solutions. But don't get too complicated just yet.

Don't let us worry you about wired vs. wireless. Not yet anyway. The
Touch includes Wi-Fi and for many people that works just fine. If you
get dropouts in Wi-Fi or feel you want sonic improvements, then look at
wiring your house for Ethernet, but the average person will just move
things around to get stronger Wi-Fi and that's OK.



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SqueezePlay, Win Squeezelite-X • Control apps: Android Squeezer, Win
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Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread sgmlaw


d6jg wrote: 
> +1
> 
> The networking is fundamental to a robust system. NEVER run the server
> on anything other than wired connection.

Agreed.  While an individual player can live on a stable wireless
connection, a server feeding multiple streams (ethernet or wireless)
works best on a gigabit ethernet connection to the router.

The more ethernet you can tolerate, the better.  It is a bulletproof
connection under any traffic environment.  If the player is not going to
be moving, we do our best to get copper to it.



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Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread d6jg


+1

The networking is fundamental to a robust system. NEVER run the server
on anything other than wired connection.



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[B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s
*Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3
-> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
*Dining Room* -> SB Boom 
*Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
*Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
*Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s
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Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool

2018-11-25 Thread slartibartfast


Tex wrote: 
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/lms-udap-utility/files/Excellent. Thanks, 
> Google search only found the original link which
doesn't exist any more.

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk





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Re: [slim] Can you advise me on a comprehensive home audio setup?

2018-11-25 Thread sgmlaw

Oh my, such a broad question.  There are literally endless combinations
of combined and discrete configurations.  It will all depend on your
priorities, budget and objectives.  Perhaps one way to give you an
option tree is to describe what we have.  

Ours is truly an audio and music retreat.  We have at least seven
separate stereo audio systems across the house, ranging from a five
figure high end system, down to a modest integrated amp system and
budget bookshelves.  Mid century German table radios in bedrooms. 
Tubes, high power SS, large floor standing speakers, bookshelves, modern
amplification, vintage classics from the golden era . . . we have it all
going on.   All have Squeezeboxen, from Transporters down to Classics,
most with Touches, some with improved PSUs, some with better outboard
DACs.  And three SB Radios, extending all the way out to an outbuilding
some 60 feet from the main house.  All can play together synchronized or
seperately.  All synchronized, you would hear the same beautiful music
everywhere.   But you are talking about an enormous investment in
Squeezeboxes and complete audio systems.  We have spent over 45 years in
audio as a passionate hobby.  Most people would never make that
sustained investment over such time.  And most importantly, we NEVER
listen to our systems that way.  Some of the systems are serious music
machines, and would be wasted as passing background sources singing in
unison.  These are systems for when you sit down in a room and want a
musical experience.  But that is one option.

But we also have a twelve station Nutone intercom system, over 50 years
old, and fully restored.  Back when the stations had passable sounding
speakers.  And into that we have connected a single Squeezebox Receiver,
remote wired into a closet below the master station.  And THAT is what
we listen to when we want whole house background music to follow us
around.  One squeezebox, playing everywhere.  No, it is not super high
fidelity.  But it sounds plenty nice as you move about.  I am sure there
are modern intercom systems, wired and wireless, that could do the same
for you if you wanted a whole house solution using a minimum of players.
That is another option.

And in later years, as the community has developed plug ins, you now
have the option of Chromecast.  Sometimes, when we donÂ’t want to
fill the entire house or burn a nice stereo, we have LMS stream to a TV
soundbar or other Chromecast device.  Some soundbars with subwoofers
actually donÂ’t sound too bad.  And there are a universe of
tabletop devices and even powered speakers that have Chromecast.   If
you donÂ’t want to invest in a full Squeezebox ecosystem, a series
of self-contained Chromecast devices fed by LMS might be the next best
thing.

And the key to it all is centralized, portable, control.  When slim
devices first started, most of the time you had to sit down at a
computer to exert full control over multiple players.  Now, while you
can control most Squeezeboxes from any of them, a single portable
control is the breakthrough to move about convenience.  Years ago, the
only way to enjoy that level of hand held control was with a Controller,
and we have one of those . . . that we hardly use.  

Today, the indispensable contol option is without question iPeng.  With
that wonderful app, you can tote around total control of your entire
Squeezebox ecosystem, whether individual systems, a whole-house option,
or a flock of Chromecast substitutes -  or all of them - in your pocket
on your iPhone or pad.  OrangeSqueeze offered a similar solution for
Android users, but frankly iPeng is head and shoulders better.

The other necessity for a strong ecosystem is a stable and reliable
network backbone.  While most of our devices are ethernet wired through
smart enterprise grade switching, a more modern wireless router can keep
the bits flowing smoothly, especially when high resolution streams are
involved.

So as you see, there are many ways you can use Squeezeboxes, either a
few or many, or even one, to move music to as many or as few locations
as you like.  It is an extremely flexible platform, and we have stayed
with it and will continue to stay with it as long as the hardware and
server code will allow.  It was a profound mistake for Logitech to have
abandoned it.  It was and remains superior to Sonos and is still
competitive with the latest music streaming solutions.

Good luck in whatever configuration you decide upon.  I hope a peek at
ours helped show you some options.



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Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool

2018-11-25 Thread Tex


https://sourceforge.net/projects/lms-udap-utility/files/



(1) Pi 3 w/ HifiBerry Digi + Pro, piCorePlayer 4.0.0, LMS 7.9.2, WD usb
drive for Music files
(1) Touch, (1) Transporter, (1) Duet

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Re: [slim] SqueezeBox changing volume and music by itself! =/

2018-11-25 Thread usbethjim


T-bird wrote: 
> Please double check it, what you describe cant happening by itself

+1 - *check again* - if you don't have the skills find someone who does
and *check again*

I just connected to two different LMS entities running unprotected -
took me 5 minutes to find over a 100 of them. 

One click on the IP and I was looking at their LMS Web-UI - with what I
assume is complete control - have not tried to mess with them.  

One was playing Xmas music already?!?!?

It is very easy to find them and play havoc if one is so inclined...

Jim



All wireless (TM-AC1900) except NAS (ReadyNAS PRO - OS 6.9.1 - 3GB RAM -
3 X 4TB drives - XRAID2 - LMS 7.9.1 )
Squeezebox Boom - Anywhere with an AC outlet
Squeezebox Touch > Bose Radio - Kitchen
Squeezebox Touch > Hafler 100 preamp > Hafler DH-220 amp > Sima SSW-L6
EX Speaker selector= Polk Audio Monitor 70 Series II - Living Room,
Definitive Tech ProMonitor 100 - Dining Room, Infinity US-1 - Porch
Ipeng on an iPad controls everything!

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Re: [slim] SqueezeBox changing volume and music by itself! =/

2018-11-25 Thread DJanGo


MAlgol wrote: 
> My router should be all close from the outside. =/

Are you using a later / up2date Version of lms?
In this case *resets to classic theme* isnt posible over the internet
cause the settings are a little bit better -secured-.

So if your using a later Version and "resets to classic theme" still
your problem its another thing.



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Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool

2018-11-25 Thread slartibartfast


cfuttrup wrote: 
> I tried Net UDAP, but witout any luck.
> 
> What worked for me was to download SqueezeConfig.APK on my PC, transfer
> it by cable to my phone. Allow an application to install such packages
> (in late Android versions, each app needs direct permission to do so).
> The Receiver was on Cable-Ethernet, rebooted to factory settings by
> holding the front button 6 seconds until quick-red-flashing appeared.
> Install the SqueezeConfig package on the Phone (SONY Xperia XZ in this
> case). It immediately found the Receiver and I told it to use the IP
> address of the server on my NAS. That's all.Where did you find the apk file?

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Re: [slim] SqueezeBox changing volume and music by itself! =/

2018-11-25 Thread BosseJ


T-bird wrote: 
> Please double check it, what you describe cant happening by itself

Perhaps also check your wifi, if you have a wireless router for example.
Try to see if there are any unknown devices  connected (can be quite a
bit of detective work unfortunately). Make sure you use wpa2 and a good
password  for authentication (both wep and wpa1 are easily broken into;
open, passwordless networks is exactly that - open to anyone close by).



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LMS latest nightly on Ubuntu 18.04.1 on Intel Core2 Duo E4500 @ 2.20GHz,
2GB
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Re: [slim] SqueezeBox changing volume and music by itself! =/

2018-11-25 Thread T-bird


MAlgol wrote: 
> My router should be all close from the outside. =/

Please double check it, what you describe cant happening by itself



1 x Touch
1 x Radio
Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 062.1081 @ Fri Jun 24 09:51:07
UTC 2016
Squeeze Commander
Squeeze Player
Phone: Samsung Galaxy Note 8

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Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool

2018-11-25 Thread cfuttrup


I tried Net UDAP, but witout any luck.

What worked for me was to download SqueezeConfig.APK on my PC, transfer
it by cable to my phone. Allow an application to install such packages
(in late Android versions, each app needs direct permission to do so).
The Receiver was rebooted to factory settings by holding the front
button 6 seconds until quck-red-flashing appeared. Install the
SqueezeConfig package. It immediately found the Receiver and I told it
to use the IP address of the server on my NAS. That's all.



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Re: [slim] SqueezeBox changing volume and music by itself! =/

2018-11-25 Thread MAlgol


My router should be all close from the outside. =/



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