Re: [discuss] REMINDER: IRC conf today
Daniel wrote: > Server: irc.freenode.net > Channel: #ooonlc Good. I was looking for that info. BTW, is there a way to use wildcards to find IRC channels. I dont' want to scroll thru all 400, to find the OOo IRC Channels. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Telling the user what gets lost
Arkady wrote: > JB> _Word_ is an extremely limited format. >there exist OOo features, which can't be exported into Word Amongst other things, yes. >buggy MSO isn't unique in this aspect. MSO is unique in that simply opening a doc bomb can cause the Blue Screen of Death. [The doc bomb can't be created in MSO, because it causes the system to crash before the file can be saved.] > mean format "limitness". But when the formatting causes the doc bomb, then it limited. >then there are no reasons to make extraneous warning. And who is going to document the things that are lost for each version of Word, RTF, etc? Depending upon how one counts, Lars missed between five and 200 versions of word. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] annoying
CPH wrote: > Almost all of your other points are also possible to change. The only thing that _might_ be an issue is "slow opening" in comparison to MSOffice. Everything else he complains about can be configured by the user. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Telling the user what gets lost
Rod wrote: > I would imagine the engineers that built the filters would know what works > and what doesn't That would be true, if, and only if, the engineers wrote one filter for each of the various file formats that proclaims itself to be "word doc", or"RTF", or any of the other export choices OOo has. > Unless they don't test their product. Even in testing, formatting combinations can get omitted. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Hausa localized?
Christian wrote: >Does anyone know if Hausa, an African language, has a localization project in the works I _think_ I've read about some L10N projects on the A12N list. > I have explained how tough a localization project can be, but this kid loves > languages. OOo should not be the first L10N project a team works on. My current thinking is that anybody who proposes an NLP for OOo should point to at least two other programs that their team has localized into the target language.[One or two glossaries don't count.] That way the volunteers have a rough idea of what they are going to get involved in. It is one thing to tell a person that it will take a minimum of 10 000 person-hours to translate the GUI interface for OOo. It is another thing for a team to realize exactly what that means. Pootle and Rosetta lower the learning curve in using translation tools. They do not however, lower the amount of time required to do the actual translation. Kazunari wrote: > And we help NLPs to form an African NL Group where they The A12N lists try to serve that function across L10N projects. Doesn't always work out for various reasons. [The biggest one being that those lists are more academically orientated, than project orientated.] A12N also crops up on translate-i18N and related lists. Of course, in another sense, both Rosetta and Pootle have a sub-function of forming a nucleus for an Pan-African NL Group. >From my perspective, one of the biggest issues in A12N, is that the various L10N projects have a case of "not invented here syndrome". xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Hausa localized?
Kazunari wrote: > > A12N > Is it Africanization! Yes. > http://www.bisharat.net/A12N/ > http://lists.kabissa.org/mailman/listinfo/a12n-collaboration > Are these relevant links for A12N? Those are some of them. If you read the list archives, you'll find others. > Can you name two other programs, for example? Gettext (?sp) and GAIM are fairly easy initial projects. ["easy" being relative.] My understanding of the Translate.org.za theory is that an L10N team should start with the basic OS, then the desktop tools: A Linux distribution GAIM FireFox Thunderbird Mozilla Abiword KOffice Gnome then OOo. [Skipping some useful software that is on their list of recommended programs to tackle.] Once Pootle has TM, I expect the sequence to become more productive, and later software "easier" to translate. Of course, there is nothing to prevent/discourage parallel development. One part focusing on the Operating System, and another part focusing on the desktop utilities. > I would like to discuss about it with the Aynu localization team. Setup translation space at Pootle, and start with GAIM. My theory for suggesting GAIM is threefold: a) It gives a good feeling of accomplishment. b) The Team can "show it off", so to speak to other users, and drum up more support/interest in helping with the bigger projects. c) You can attract people who can write documentation, but only read/write/speak the target language. > I would like to hear what they say about OpenOffice.org Africanization. I haven't asked about it. > NOT INVENTED HERE SYNDROME! :) Each new A12N/L10N project wants to write its own translation tools from scratch. [At least three projects for African languages have written their own translation tool sets. Most of the proposals on the A12N lists talk about creating yet another translation tool kit. They aren't talking glossaries, but an equivalents to PoEdit, Omega-T, etc. ] > I am thinking about the issue with Aynu too. You've got an Aynu L10N team for OOo. I'd suggest focusing on Anyu for the time being. [Wondering just how much the National Diet would not appreciate seeing OOo with an Aynu GUI.] There is an Amharic L10N team for Gnome. Somebody there might have ideas for Amharic OOo. > I feel that's worth to do but I right now can not describe my idea well Desribe it badly, and then it can be refined into something that is more in accord with your idea. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: data base in OOo2?
Matt wrote: > This is a basic summary of the changes; there are many other changes, But how easy is it to create a database from scratch, with the new interface? Or maybe I should ask the question this way: "Will Great Aunt Martha be able to create a database, without calling me?" xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: data base in OOo2?
Arthur wrote: >making a database from scratch Sort of. Some Database interfaces make it much easier to create a database from scratch, than others. For example, it was much easier to create a database using PC File, than using dBase3. If OOo could provide the same sort of interface/support for creating new databases, as PC File did for creating dBase 3 databases, it would be a good thing. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] World Lingo - Language translation
J C Helary wrote: > roman alphabet ? Technically, it expects the Latin Writiing System, not the Roman Alphabet. Rigel wrote: >do the native-lang projects, have their own discuss lists? Most individual projects have either discussion lists, or webforums setup. Finding the webforums is not easy. For the NLPs whose lists are hosted at OpenOffice.org, the weekly mailing list stats is the easiest way to find them. For the projects who host their lists elsewhere, finding them can be a problem. Then there are the localized versions that do not have OOo NLPs. Finding native language user support for them can be "difficult". * On a semi-related notes, bugs in the NLP versions can be incredibly difficult to get fixed. [Incorrect translations are the most common bug that is specific to a single NLP.] xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Re: Has sun sacked half its developers?
Andrew wrote: > > very big: - Native Widget Framework > That's not really an improvement of functionality. Critical things that should be P1 are rated P4, because the developers don't know that any country other than the US and Germany exist, or that there are languages other than French, German, and English. So of course the native Widget Framework doesn't add any functionality. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Open Source Software
Joseph wrote: > E-Sword e-Sword is decidedly not open source. The e-Sword prohibits reverse engineering. It also prohibits distribution within a commercial context. [And 'commercial context' has an _extremely_ broad definition.] > Not all are open source but all are freeware AFAIK, _The Sword Project_ is the only FLOSS BIble Study Program. >so I guess I strayed from the subject a bit. More than a little. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Java in OO.o: Proprietary trap or creative commons?
Johan wrote: > For the time being I'll assume that OOo 2 will require Java. Also assume that you will have to compile it from scratch. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Openoffice Grammer Check
Brandon wrote: > I was disappointed when I saw that Open office had no grammar check. What language were you wanting to do the grammar checking in? There are grammar checkers available for OOo, but they are in beta. > Grammar check is very helpful for school projects, Give each student a copy of _Strunk & White_. Then teach the student grammar. The grammar checker for MSO is, at best, inaccurate. > would love to switch to Openoffice, but it will just not suite my needs the > way Microsoft Office does. The last time I used the grammar checker for OOo, when it claimed something was a grammatical error, it really was. The same can not be said for the last time I used the grammar checker for MSO. Disclaimer: I am creating a ruleset for a grammar checker for IsiXhosa. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Ken wrote: > Most companies do not use a lot of macros. A company may not sanction them, but the users create, and use them. > What are there are fairly easily rewritten. Macros that a company _officially_ use, tend to be either very trivial, or very non-trivial. Either somebody wrote it in ten minutes, or they laid out between $500 and $100 000 for it. OOo + macros can not currently duplicate what Word + Excel + macros can do. >There are no reasons why corporations keen on savings on the middle to long term would not adopt OD in the short term. _IF_, and that is an extremely big _if_ Calc were comparable to Excel, then you _might_ have a case. Calc is nowhere near being the equal of Excel. > All the rest is FUD. If a business is not dependent upon spreadsheets, then OOo is good. _If_ a business is dependent upon spreadsheets, then OOo is not a good tool. [I'm ignoring that most spreadsheets are actually very badly designed, and implemented databases.] xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Daniel wrote: >a short list of "top" missing functions in Calc? Is that an offer to write them as macros? xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Chad wrote: > You leave out the re-education process. Going from MS Office XP to MS Office > 2003 does require a slight readjustment period but not as much as it > would to go from Office XP to OOo 2.0. _If_ they were trained properly in the first place, the cost of teaching them how to use OOo x.x will be no more than the cost of teaching them how to use MSO x+1. I _think_ that most training for OOo is actually how to teach people to use their tools correctly. >Even at $5.15 an hour (minimum wage in the US) That is the federal level. Some states, and local government bodies have set it higher. [The highest is around $9.85/hour. The lowest is around $3.13 per hour] >One that doesn't have *ANY* third party support (ie, macros, templates, hooks, readers, tools, viewers, etc.)? This is partially true. >One that doesn't come with on-call professional support? Please explain why you consider the companies that charge $100 per hour for on call support for OOo do not provide "on-call professional support"? > One that doesn't offer 100% compatiblity with their clients or suppilers? You have the same issue with MSO. [How many people realize that different editions of the same version of MSO have slightly different file formats.] > OOo is no where near ready for corporations. For corporations where real time collaboration is _required_, that is true. For corporations that rely on their spreadsheets, that is true. For the rest of Corporate America, OOo is more than capable of replacing MSO today. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Chad wrote: >so they'd have to pay you for your time. a) When a company does a systemwide upgrade, they do it by department. b) If they are smart, the contract will not be on hours worked, but on people trained. >so their lost productivity doesn't start going down until they get to be with you. a) That lost productivity will occur when the upgrade to MSO x+1 occurs, so that cancels that "expense" out. b) Most companies will have a transition period, when botht eh old software, and the new software is on a system. > the lost productivity would be made right off the bat, a) You have that same lost productivity when the migration to MSO x+1 occurs. b) Most companies will provide manuals for the software, that employees can study/refer to. [Which means that some employees won't need the official training, because they will have studied it, prior to getting into the "training class". ] >they could just as easily invest in a 4 hour training class for the new version of MSO and the productivity boost would be equitiable. Only if the MSO training was on how to use an editor, how to use drawing software, how to use a spreadsheet, how to create a database, etc. Typically, MSO training ignores the fact that spreadsheets are not databases, and powerpoint is not for creating videos, and Outlook is not a tool for creating, much less sending webpages. >Switching to OpenOffice.org costs more than upgrading to MSO > The only residual negative difference of having switched to OOo would be the > new employees who only knew Word/Excel/Powerpoint/Access. That same issue occurs, when the company doesn't use the same version of MSO as the employee knows. > This is all making one *HUGE* assumption. > That OpenOffice.org still exists the next time a major upgrade is needed. a) What is the reason for the major upgrade? b) What are the _compelling_ reasons, that actually improve the productivity of the company, for upgrading? >If Sun ever drops its backing of OOo, I doubt OOo would last a year. a) Possible, but not probable. If Sun were to drop OOo, there would be a vacuum for OOo, in that all of the Collabnet tools would disappear. However, there are at least two, and possibly three or four forks of OOo. My major question would be whether Sourceforge would be willing to host OOo, or whatever arises when Sun drops it. b) The company would be using semi-orphaned software. It also has the source code, so it could, if it so desired, continue development. [A number of companies are in the position of using orphaned software that is closed.] xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Chad wrote: > that's not what I said. I didn't say that MS would never use OOo. Slight off topic, but did you that the most popular browser at 1 Microsoft Way is Firefox? And the number 1 email client is Thunderbird? [This includes everybody from the filing clerk to board room.] Which leads me to the big question: How many offices on that street use OOo? xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
On 5/19/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is no migration in OOo. There is a migration from 1.1.x to 2.0. The question is whether or not the migration is cost-effective. [Actually, there also is a migration between 1.1.2 and 1.1.3, and 1.1.3 and 1.1.4. In retrospect, for me, it was cost effective to migrate from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3 ZA. It was not cost-effective for me to migrate from 1.1.3 ZA to 1.1.4 US, nor to 1.9.96 US.] > OOo 1.1.n and OOo 2.0 basically use the same format, and it is documented, > and access to the data does not necessitates OOo itself. a) The default format of 1.1.x and 2.x are different. b) The default setup for 1.1.x and 2.0x are different. c) There are things that one can do with 1.1.3 ZA that not only are not available, but SUN is adamant will never be available in another version of OOo. Features that, if omitted in 2.0 should be treated as Priority 1 bug fixes, because they cripple the functionality of OOo 2.0. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Rigel wrote: > what "things" are those Johnathon that can be done with 1.13 but can't be > done since then? SwitchLang is the most obvious, though 2.0 will, in theory, incorporate something similar. Bidi support is the most blatant. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Chad wrote: > he will *HAVE TO* up grade. When a MSO 97 or 98 user comes across a MS Word > 2004 file, a .doc, he double clicks on it, and it opens without a hitch. He > does not *HAVE TO* upgrade. He _will_ have to upgrade. No ifs, ands, or buts,. MSO97 can not correctly read files created by MSO98, MSOXP, MSO2003. There are some _major_ differences in the file formt between MSO97, and MSOXP. > MSO users from 97 on up can interact with MSO user from 97 on up backwards > and forwards without any add-ons or special tools So long as they have the same version of MSO as the document was created on. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
James wrote: >was rebooting the server. I'm sure youre PHB appreciates that. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Steve wrote: > Can we put this one to bed now. Please? I'm going to suggest that Rigel's answer be put in FAQ, as part of the explanation of why OOo is not 100% compatible with MSO. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Page numbers, Thesaurus, Foreign Languages
Sherman wrote: > First, all my instructors require page numbers on every page except the first > page. Use Page Styles: Set the first page style to have no header information. Set the front matter page style to use roman numerals. Set the regular pages to use Arabic Numbers. [And if you want different headers for left and right pages, that can be easily configured. > I generally right click words to find similar words in the thesaurus Use ">Tools >Configuration" if you want another key combination. I _think_ Right Click requires a change in the UI. [Now waiting for somebody to say, here is a macro that does just that.] >adding at least basic grammar checking would convert many users. _Language Tool_l is a python based grammar checker originally written for German. Rules sets for Hungarian and English are also available. More information is obtainable from http://tkltrans.sourceforge.net/ and also from http://www.danielnaber.de/ . _An Gramadóir_ is a Perl based grammar checker originally written for Irish. More information is obtainable from http://borel.slu.edu/gramadoir/index.html . [This one is probably the best suited for languages that use noun classes, or an evidential grammar.] _CoGrOO_ is a Grammar Checker for Portuguese, that is still in the alpha stage. More information can be obtained from http://www.pcs.usp.br/cgi-bin/jkinoshi/cogroo/experimente.cgi _Cymraeg_ is a Grammar Checker for Welsh. This is a commercial product. A demo of it can be obtained from http://www.bangor.ac.uk/ar/cb/cymraeg/demo_meddalwedd.php I've forgotten the name and URL of the other grammar checker. Note: The quality of the grammar checking may not be what you expect. > Adding the ability to switch from language to language with ease, Use language specific paragraph styles. Or language specific character styles, if you want the English Spell Checker to ignore the solitary Spanish word in your paper, but want the Spanish Spell Checker to verify that you did spell it correctly. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Styles: Two considerations
John wrote: > 1. You can't include bullets as part of the style! That is what the numbering style property is for xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Styles: Another consideration
John wrote: > 3. Keyboard shortcuts: Ian has a macro that helps out with that. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Mathias wrote: > You should explain that. OOo2.0 supports Bidi in the same way as OOo1.1 Except OOo 1.1.2 has better support for Semitic languages than the current OOo 1.9.x > and none of the versions supported switching languages (if you mean the GUI > language). So what is changing, if not the language of the GUI, in the Thai/English or Russian/Hebrew/English versions of OOo. Or in OOo 1.1.3 ZA? xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Mathias wrote: > possible to find out if it is a bug or what else might be the root cause. If I listed them all here, will they be changed to something more appropriate than "won't fix". Like priority 1 --- which most of them are? Most of them are listed in Issuezilla. > Those are obviously special builds done by whomever, so it is useless to > compare them with the "official" builds. Intersting. I didn't realize that Sun builds were "special builds". xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Joerg wrote: > Even if you had such an installation, the OpenOffice.org application did not > support switching languages after initial (user) setup. Which explains why the user was able to change the GUI language _after_ installation. That also was one of the selling points. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Joerg wrote: > > Which explains why the user was able to change the GUI language _after_ > > installation. > > > Do you mean that the user could change it (only, once, forever) at user > installation time? I mean that the user could have it in language a today, switch to language b tomorrow, then to language c the day after tomorrow, and back to language a the day after that. > > That also was one of the selling points. > Of what? Why one should use OOo instead of MSO. The user could select the language of the GUI. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Openoffice vs MS Office Research
John wrote: > anyone know of any good sites/articles/research that compares the two? OOoAuthors has a material on migrating from MSO to OOo. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Reason corporates won't touch OO.o
Joerg wrote: > How? We were talking about OOo 1.1.x and there I said that the ">Start >Program >OpenOffice.Org >Change Language" And that brings up "Open Office Language >Select Language" and a choice of languages. Highlight the appropriate language. Click on the "Apply Changes" button. Start Openoffice. To describe how it works in Windows. [If I wasn't still trying to download a usable Linux installation, I'd describe how to do it in Linux as well.] > Note that to me a command line tool is not a user interface for a desktop end > user. That can be easilly made into another desktop GUI. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Publisher like program
Joel wrote: >adding a publisher like program to OOo What functionality does Publisher have, that OOo does not have? xan jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Styles: Another consideration
Rod wrote: >I always go through a process of customizing mine anyway The only thing I look at in the toolbars is the name of the style I'm currently using, and where the document I'm working on is located. >have the Page style indicated ">Tools >Configure >Status Bar" Check the "Page Style" checkbox. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Just wondering...
Kelly wrote: > grammar check like Microsoft Word has? The current Grammar Checkers for OOo admit to being beta, or alpha quality. Microsoft does not admit to providing pre-alpha quality grammar checkers. [Or have they finally taught their grammar checker the difference between thee and the?] Anyway, the alpha / beta quality grammar checkers for OOo are: _Language Tool_l is a python based grammar checker originally written for German. Rules sets for Hungarian and English are also available. More information is obtainable from http://tkltrans.sourceforge.net/ and also from http://www.danielnaber.de/ . _An Gramadóir_ is a Perl based grammar checker originally written for Irish. More information is obtainable from http://borel.slu.edu/gramadoir/index.html . [This one is probably the best suited for languages that use noun classes, or an evidential grammar.] _CoGrOO_ is a Grammar Checker for Portuguese, that is still in the alpha stage. More information can be obtained from http://www.pcs.usp.br/cgi-bin/jkinoshi/cogroo/experimente.cgi _Cymraeg_ is a Grammar Checker for Welsh. This is a commercial product. A demo of it can be obtained from http://www.bangor.ac.uk/ar/cb/cymraeg/demo_meddalwedd.php I'm still missing a grammar checker. :( Work on Grammar Checking in the following languages is also underway: French Spanish Queche SeStwana IsiXhosa IsiZulu SeSutho Esperanto Portuguese xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent
Joseph wrote: > What a joke the patent office is. Understandable, considering that they are based upon number of patents _approved_. It would be much better if the default were to _reject_ patents, and the performance based upon rejected patents as a percentage of submitted patents. Get a bonus equal to the percentage of patents that you reject. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OpenOffice on Ebay
Jan wrote: > Today I so that some people in Belgium try to sell OpenOffice on Ebay And your problem with that is? > Maybe you can do something against these bandits Misrepresentation, perhaps? I think there are spelling dictionaries for more than 15 languages. That is about the only thing that might, remotely, be described as "banditry". xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Spreadsheet feature
Jan wrote: >the lack of an ability to select a range of cells to be used for error bars when graphing results. Can you provide a more comprehensive explanation of what you want? And maybe put up a webpge that shows a couple of examples of it. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?
Chuck wrote: > My point is that OSS will never be more than a small niche compared to > commercial software. It is such a small niche that microsoft has announced that they have lost, and will continue to lose market share in the desktop, and office suite, due to FLOSS products. >free = piece of crap, expensive equals great software with great support. Perceptions rule. Microsoft has admitted that without FUD, they will lose market share faster than they have been. > OSS has been available for years to fill many needs and yet it never garners > more than 1-2% of the market. Market share measurements of FLOSS have never been reliable. I haven't looked at any market share data recently, but the last time I did, Linux & BSD were the OS of choice for servers. Linux had a 20% market share on desktops. OOo had a 10% market share in office suites. Firefox/Thunderbird/Mozilla had between a 5% and 10% market share. You would do well to remember what the most popular and most used browser, and email client at One Microsoft Way is. >They are all superior to their commercial counterparts but are no where near replacing them in the market. a) FLOSS is barely past the stage of being "just good enough". EG: Calc is nowhere near the equal of Excel, for heavy number crunchers. [The people who spend $1K+ for a spreadsheet template.] For most people, OOo is "just good enough". b) FLOSS suffers from a distinct lack of good, effective marketing. Firefox is better than MIE, but it (Firefox) suffers from an extreme lack of marketing to "Joe Sixpack". xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: HBS WK: Who will win Microsoft or Linux?
Wesley wrote: > And BIND is a niche product? Ever tried to buy BIND, or equivalant at Frye's? xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Grammar Checker
Bill wrote: > Is there a grammar checker that will work with OO? Four of them: One considers itself to be alpha/pre-alpha; One considers itself to be beta; One considers itself to be commercially viable; One considers itself to be pre-alpha One considers that calling it pre-alpha gives it a degree of stability that it lacks; > Is there a plan for it to be in future versions? What language --- some languages currently have grammar checkers in alpha, or beta, that are better than microsoft's. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Odd...
Peter wrote: > while this is hot on our heads, please go to the issue and add as many > FLOSSisms that you can think of for the dictionary. Should "words" like i18n, g17n, and v11n also be added to that list? xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Odd...
Daniel wrote: > What's g17n? Proof that I can't spell four letter words. It should be G11N -- Globalization. >what's v17n? v11n : Versification xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Open Office "Binder"
Craig wrote: > One of the most powerful features of Microsoft Office was the "Binder". I never saw the point of "Binder" , and apparently many people don't, since Microsoft dropped support of it a couple of versions ago. > This allowed multiple documents to be stored in a single container for easy > swapping, storage and organization. Would a) put all of the documents in the same folder; b) zipping the folder up; c) Exchanging that zip archive suffice? > With one application open on my task bar, I had quick access to dozens of > documents Do you want all of those documents: a) Open at the same time? b) Just listed in the "history" button? or Something else? xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Tedious?
Marq wrote: > I just started using Open Office two weeks ago, but since it hasn't got > Dutch spelling I had to reassign these files to Word. a) Install the Dutch dictionary. [Use DictOOo for 1.1.x. For 1.9.x, it is a selection off of ">Files". b) Change, or create language specific styles [ paragraph, numbering, character, and maybe page. ] xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Lingua Latina
Stardock wrote: >create an easier way to put macrons over vowels? Easier than what? I can type them directly from my keyboard. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Lingua Latina
Graham wrote: > Cool, perhaps you could explain how, for Stardocks benefit. The OP didn't give their operating system. Without that, odds are that the instructions I write won't apply. xan jonathon -- A Fork requires: Seven systems with: 1+ GHz Processors 2+ GB RAM 0.25 TB Hard drive space - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Multiple Versions of Documents
Rich wrote: > of course, now that we have migration at hand, this surfaces as quite ugly > problem. My solution has been to use styles to highlight text for different distribution. When I need to distribute a new version, I simply save as new_distribution_version_ and then delete all the inappropriate content. Then check to be sure that the inappropriate content is not available. [Change the styles of the inappropriate content to something like 96 point pink text on a mango background, and borders in red. ] Then cut and paste the entire document to a new document. Then export as PDF, and send the PDF. [Contrary to popular beliefs, PDFs are incredibly easy to edit, and have been known to contain document history that should not be in them. ] xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] translation option on OpenOffice 2.0
Steph wrote: > the ability to convert or translate document from one Language to Another . i) Which of the translation addons did you install? ii) Which of the glossaries for that translation addon did you install? >I have to go too the web. That sounds like you installed a CAT, instead of a MAT. Did you want a CAT or a MAT? > make the translation feature better. If you have suggestions, the author of the tools that you installed would like to know what they are. AFAIK, _none_ of them subscribe to either of the lists that you sent this message to. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Re: Thinking OOo - Work efficient with text
Morgan wrote: > Is styles realy the first step in understanding the OOo arrangement with text > doc's? Ignore Styles in OOo at your peril. Using them correctly makes things that are impossible to do in MSOffice trivial to do in OOo. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Re: Thinking OOo - Work efficient with text
Robin wrote: > reveal codes is much more useful. a) There is a reveal codes macro for the Write and Calc components of OOo 1.1.x. I haven't tested to see if they also work with the beta version of OOo 2.0. b) It is not as useful for OOo as for WP, because of fundamental differences in how styles are defined, and used. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Why I had to switch back to MS Word
Bruce wrote: > "OpenOffice.org 1.1 gives you everything you'd expect in office software." So what do you expect in an Office Suite: i) Database functionality; ii) Spreadsheet functionality;; iii) Word Processing functionality; iv) Graphics functionality; v) Contact Management functionality; vi) Project Management functionality. vii) Presentation creation/editing; Some have also argued for inclusion of the following: viii) Email read/write/send ix) Accounting functionality; x) Scheduling functionality Look at MSOffice Small Business Edition: i) Database: Neither included, nor kludges available. Must buy and install Access or other database program; ii) Spreadsheet: included; iii) Word Processing: Included; iv) Graphics functionality: Included v) Contact management: Requires Outlook to be installed. vi) Project management: Neither included, nor kludges available. Must buy and install Project Manager or other software vii) Presentation: Neither included, nor kludges available. Must buy and install Presentation Manager or other software. viii) Email: Requires installation of Outlook. ix) Accounting: Neither included, nor kludges available. Requires installation of Money, or other accounting program. x) Scheduling: Neither included, nor kludges available. Can somebody explain why MSoffice Small Business Edition qualifies as an office suite, since it leaves out so many things that an office suite is expected to have. OOo 1.1.x i) Database functionality; Included ii) Spreadsheet functionality;; Included iii) Word Processing functionality; Included iv) Graphics functionality; Included v) Contact Management functionality; Template used to be available. Recommendation is to use SunBird. vi) Project Management functionality. Template used to be available. Recommendation is to use another program for project management. vii) Presentation creation/editing; Included viii) Email read/write/send. Neither included, nor kludges available.Install Thunderbird ix) Accounting functionality; Templates are available. Recommendation is to use SQL Ledger. x) Scheduling: Templates used to be available. Recommendation to use project management software. Of those, the only one that OOo can not do is email. Three other programs are recommended, instead of using OOo. OOo 2.0 is in the same situation as OOo 1.1.x. > "If you're used to using other office suites - such as Microsoft Office - > you'll be completely at home with OpenOffice.org 1.1." This refers to ease of use. If one knows how to use one office suite, one can easilly learn to use another office suite --- in this instance OOo. > could be taken as a statement that "OOo is a clone of MSO". Following that logic, MSoffice is a clone of GeoWorks, and Lotus SmartSuite is a clone of AppleWorks. >"we don't have all the features and we're not thinking of implement them" You are confusing functionality with specific features. > it's "bug for bug compatible*", it's not going to be a wholly viable product. In taht case MSOffice doesn't fit your needs either. Or did you not know that different versions of MSOfficeXP have different bugs? [The same thing is also true of MSoffice97, MSOffice, and MSOffice98.] xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Why I had to switch back to MS Word
Chad wrote: > -Um, so? Outlook is a part of MS Office! It wasn't part of the first version of Office I looked at [Looked at the CD. (Can Microsoft not afford to hire web designer that knows what the phrase "accessible format" means?)] > a part of every single version of MSO available on the market today. I looked at three versions of MSO, small business edition, and it was _not_ included. [OK, it is included in MSOffice 2003 --- I don't have a copy of that one.] > Outlook does scheduling. Sorry, I didn't realize that I could schedule work shifts for 500 people using Outlook When did they add that capability? BTW, that can be done using OOo 1.1.2. > OOo doesn't do accounting either. Accounting _can_ be done using OOo. Your auditor will probably scream, rant, and rave if you use OOo for accounting, but it can be done. > I could much easier ask the same question of OpenOffice.org based on OOo can do more of those than MSOffice can. More to the point, the only that can not be done with Ooo is email. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Why I had to switch back to MS Word
Chad wrote: > - you have to install *Java* for the Database to work. Psst., WRONG answer. You can use the database component, without having Java installed. > It seems to me that MSO has more includes than OOo, once you include Seems to me that you didn't read what I wrote. OTOH, that is par for you. >auto magically installed as Outlook Express on every version of Windows on earth. My windows system did not auto magically install outlook, nor outlook express. > You get 6 includes for MSO, and only 5 includes on OOo. In the counting sequence I learned, Ten less one is equal to nine, not five. [You don't need the templates, but they do help in setting up those functions.] > you fail to recognize included software, You fail to accurately count. >you compare apples to oranges (Small Business Edition to the full version of OOo) Maybe I should compare it against the standard version of MSO? That has even fewer components. > including reference to software that is not affliated with, much less a part > of, OpenOffice.org. Strip out the components of MSO, that did not originate with Microsoft, and you have even fewer components than I listed. > included software, IE Outlook and Powerpoint, MSO wins in your little > experiment. If you How? Oh, I forgot, you do not know how to count. A) the functionality really isn't there, It means that you can do it, but instead of having a template as a starting point, you'll have to create it yourself. [Which should not be a problem to anybody who understands how to use those tools.] >That's ridiculous! That is a side effect of the decentralization of OOo addons. > If you want to make OOo look good, talk about its strengths, I realize that you have a marked inability to comprehend writing. But even you should have been able to read what I was writing. >like *PRICE* Price is a non-issue --- nothing gets sold on the basis of price alone. > point-for-point includes of functionality where MSO is the *clear* winner. Thanks for the demonstration that you did not learn the three r's. > (By going Pro with MSO, the number jumps from 6 to 8, IOW, OOo still beats MSO Pro. Thanks for the confirmation. >Corporate edition, it gets a perfect 10.) So you have to jump to a version of Office that is not normally found in offices, nor individual end users, to get something that has one function --- email --- more than I listed. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: translation option on OpenOffice 2.0
Lisa wrote: > purchased the software and I have a paper that was written for grad Email it to me,. Do you just want the text in an emai, or a PDF? xan joanthon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] 1.15rc v 2 beta
Andrew wrote: > why is it still being developed with 2 so near completion? a) It is a bug fix of 1.1.4. b) It looks like the 2.0 beta has been knocked back another month or two; c) 1.1.5 was originally scheduled for release in April, or May. [It was also going to be simultaneous with, or after the 2.0 release.] xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Text Color Changing in Writer
Zachery wrote: > However, I have been unable to make the modified template (i.e. _textRed) > reappear in the Stylist character menu after saving the template, ">File >Templates >Save" >File >Templates >Organize" Find the file you just saved, then select it to be the default template. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Eurasian Native-Lang Groupe
Peter wrote: > There is no such thing as Eurasian Language Group. It does not exist. a) Would "Variant Cyrillic writing systems group" be meaningful to anybody but grammatologists? It is slightly more accurate, since all of the language groups that are currently part of that project, do, or did at one point in time, use the Cyrillic writing system, or a variant thereof. b) All language group creations are artificial. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Peter, and other volunteers, please stop duplicate messages, was: Greetings
Mrco wrote: > No, it's something else, which is complementary to what you are already doing: So it took 50 or so messages to get to this point: > 1) Unsubscribed user posts to list > 2) procmail recognizes that message as coming from unsubscribed user, and > memorizes subject and original unsubscribed sender And you are seriously proposing that one person configure their email to do this? You just proved that you haven't a technological clue about how people new to email _use_ email. I can assure you that people new to email will i) Send a question about something in response to another question, without changing the subject line; ii) Send a question about something with _no_ subject line; iii) Send an answer to a question with no subject line; iv) Reply to message, without including the message-id of the original message that they are replying to; v) Send the question a second time, as a reply to their first question; v) Reply to a message with a _different_ subject line; Now if you can write a procmail recipe that will correctly forward _appropriate_ responses, _and_ catch the above described situations, post it here. BTW, there is one more critical situation that needs to be added to the list. If you re technologically knowledgeable as you claim to be, your procmail recipe will take care of it. Otherwise your solution is technological mumbo jumbo, on a par with magic potions that protect one from bullets fired at point blank range. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Peter, and other volunteers, please stop duplicate messages, was: Greetings
Mrco wrote: > Yes. I am seriously proposing to look, or at least put a request on the web > pages, for somebody who can do it. > I suggested something based on subject and sender, so it would work in > i), iv), v) and vi). You conveniently ignored the critical thing in my message. Post the procmail recipe that you think does what you claim can be done. > I have also already answered about how the subject-less messages should be > treated. It's much easier: just discard all of them, Ah, so you go for the "let us prove that we are a big faceless corporation who does not care about you, because we have more money in the bank the the gross national product of the country you live in approach". >At some point you have to be realistic about how meaningful some effort is and draw the line. High touch solutions are not easy high tech solutions. The _correct_ way to win hearts and minds, is to use High Touch methods. > In other words, there are humans who check all messages from > unsubscribed addresses to block spam? > But a lot of spam comes without subject, just like a lot of real questions > from unsubscribed users. a) Less than 1% of the spam I get t this account has no subject line. I'm guessing that more than 1% of the messages on the various OOo lists I am subscribed to have no subject line. b) I suspect that a Bayes f(?sp) filter could detect/eliminate more spam than relying on the lack of a subject line. >So, what do the moderators do? I am not a moderator on any OOo list. I have run mailing lists in the past, and currently moderate a couple on yahoogroups. I don't have to open and read the messages on the lists I currently moderate, or used to run, to know if they were spam or not. [When I open them, my only question is how much editing I will have to do.] > So, summing up, probably procmail *could* work even with (some) "Could" is not the same as "does". So post those procmail recipes. I, for one, am waiting to see your alleged solution. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Peter, and other volunteers, please stop duplicate messages, was: Greetings
Marco wrote: > > You conveniently ignored the critical thing in my message. > which would be, if I may ask? The procmail recipes. Without them, your entire thesis is invalid. With them, it probably is still invalid. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: "To Close for Comfort?"
Chad wrote: > I like the automations in OpenOffice.org - especially the autocomplete. I hate autocomplete. I'm guessing that before I turned it off, I was running a minimum of a hundred incorrect words, for every correct word. For consistent spelling, I end up creating a concordance of the document, then doing individual search and replace. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: "To Close for Comfort?"
Bruce wrote: > If you're going to use autocomplete successfully, you have to train it. The only way to train it, is to turn it off. Klagelieder Klagovisorna Matteus Matthaeus Matthäus Tit Tite Tito Titu Zec Zech Zecha Zechar Zechari For a couple of examples where autocomplete wants to use the wrong word. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] grammar
Amy wrote: > I would like to see a grammar checker in future releases of English Open Download and install Language Tool. You can find it on Sourceforge. >it has no grammar checker Technically accurate. There are three grammar checkers that can be used with OOo. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Open Office Question
James wrote: > 1. Will Open Office save a .pdf file and/or does it work in conjunction Saves/creates a PDF on your own. No need for acrobat. > called "Solver" that allows and creates various fitting parameters. ">Data >Dataplot" is the function I think youa re looking for. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Online usage?
Daniel wrote: > unusual. OpenOffice takes up 268 MB on my system. My OOo 1.1.5 English (UK) directory: 164 MB / 2 181 Files / 133 Folders My OOo 1.1.4 English(UK) directory: 333 MB / 2 316 Files / 128 Folders My OOo 1.1.3-ZA directory: 453 MB / 4 395 Files / 258 Folders My OOo 1.9.125 English(US) directory: 355 MB / 3 277 Files / 323 Folders In theory, they all contain the same dictionaries, and other customizations. I _think_ it my OOo 1.1.2 (Japanese) directory, which after I added my normal customizations, was 600+ MB in size. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] grammar
On 9/10/05, CPHennessy wrote: > You should find that OOo2.0 will be much faster. You can now download and > test a beta of version 2 from http://openoffice.org With the doucments I work with, OOo 1.1.5 takes about an hour less to open the same document as OOo 1.9.128. I'm still trying to figure out in wht respect OOo 2Beta is faster than OOo 1.1.x. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Text Direction Suggestions & Questions
Ranger Lacy wrote: > make ANY text or language or font bi-directional. OOo 1.1.3 Use _Draw_ with FontWorks as your text editor. > Boustrophedon capabilities. The current workaround is to setup a L2R and R2L styles. At the end of each line, hit enter, and it _should_ wrap correctly. Adding/deleting/editing text on a line is a major PITA. Note: This does not work, if you use Rongo-Rongo, or languages with the same boustrophedon qualities. > I desire to help put this language into the environment. Last time I checked there were 10 000+ conlangs, of which, maybe ten, were spoken by more than a hundred people. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] selling open office
On 9/10/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Why is this ok? The LPGL does not prohibit commercial distribution. Which means tht anybody who desires to, can sell OOo, at whtever price s/he obtain for it. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] grammar
CP Hennessy wrote: > > open the same document as OOo 1.9.128. > Well I hope that you've open a bug report with a sample document. I haven't had the time to create a non-proprietary document that has the same characteristics. I'll probably run into doing a rewrite of _OOo in Multi-Lingual Environment_. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Office Writer
Amy wrote: >it does not recognize numerals in the spell check. User configurable option. >It also does not detect repeated words, punctuation marks The grammar checker usually picks that up. >or extra spaces. User configurable option. > Also, there is not a grammar checker or at least there is not in the English > version. You have to add that yourself. > It may be a good place to start for developing a grammar check. I'm not sure what the advantage of having five different grammar checkers for OOo is. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Office Writer
On 9/19/05, Sweet Coffee wrote: > Are there any add-ons available that will do grammer checking in OOo. Grammar Checking The end user must download and install the grammar checker. An Gramadóir An Gramadóir is a Perl based grammar checker. More information is obtainable from http://borel.slu.edu/gramadoir/index.html CoGrOO CoGrOO is being rewritten in Python. The prior version worked, but could not be integrated into the OOo API. This is still pre-alpha. More information can be obtained from http://www.pcs.usp.br/cgi-bin/jkinoshi/cogroo/experimente.cgi Cymraeg Cymraeg is a commercial grammar checker for Welsh. A demo of it can be obtained from http://www.bangor.ac.uk/ar/cb/cymraeg/demo_meddalwedd.php Language Tool Language Tool is a Java based grammar checker. More information is obtainable from http://tkltrans.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.danielnaber.de/. I'm missing at least one grammar checker for OOo. [I'll list it in the updated version of _OOo in a Multi-Lingual Environment_, which I hope to put by the end of the month.] xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Grammar Checker missing
On 9/16/05, Mr susserj wrote: > Without a grammar checker similar to WordPerfect or Word it is not useful to > me. Is there any reason why you haven't installed a grammar checker for OOo, since you think one is needed? xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Beyond 2.0
Chad wrote: > To stay current (read *AHEAD* of Microsoft) we need a functional, working, > easy-to-use, standards-compliant, WYSIWYG HTML editor. Upgraading the HTML output to HTML 4.01 + CSS 1.0 would be a good start. > But we could get rid of the useless ones like ` and ~ . The tilde is significant for modem connections, and some websites on a LAMP platform. > soon (and it's already started happening) you'll be able to make up your own > keyboard layout. On Linux, that ability hs been around since around 1990. I don't remember when that ability first became available on Windows. If you are refering to programable keyboards with 128 keys, those have been available for at least a decade. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] English GUI (not American)
Chris wrote: > There does not appear to be a "English English" version of OO, Look for the English (UK) version. I have both OOo 1.1.4 English (UK) and OOo 1.9.130 English (UK) installed on my system. [What I'd really like is English (ZA)] > it would be a major 'selling' point for OO (as it is for Linux) if it had a > proper English interface. (It is a major issue educationally.) I At least one Linux distribution also comes in an English (UK) flavour. [Now wondering why translate.org,za doesn't provide an English (ZA) flavour of Linux, or OOo.] > would be willing to 'translate' a list of American words if it were a simple > matter. Pootle makes it fairly easy to do the translations. The downside is that you either need a good Internet connection, or have it installed locally on high powered system. [Minimum RAM requirements: 1 GB. Minimum hard disk requirements: 5 GB. Athalon (or better) Chip rated at 2.5+GHrz. (Celeron chips are totally inadequate for the job.) xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Good idea :-)
On 9/30/05, Piotr Pondel wrote: > Outlook in near future. I think many peaple would like to see it a) OOo is an office suite, not an internet suite. b) Thunderbird is superior to outlook, and is FLOSS; xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Office 12 interview
Daniel wrote: > Incidentally, he doesn't really enter into a lot of detail about why it > whould be so difficult. He just says "it's very difficult". It is difficult for microsoft, becuase they would have to implement it correctly. And that means that they have to fix all of the bugs that cause documents created in MSO 2003 to be incompatible with MSO 2003. *** Another quote from the rticle: #>It used to be that the format was something that you changed every single release and nobody thought about it. Now, what people are saying is, "We don't mind change, we like change, but we want it to have very specific value propositions." I do not know _any_ business that likes to change their file formats, simply because the software programmer made a whimsical decision to change file formats. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Google - no thanks
Laurent wrote: > i already did it using OOoWikipedia > Well it is not Google completeness, It wouldn't take much to changer the OOoWikipedia macro to a G-OOogle macro. IIRC, all it requires is a simple change of the URL that is called. Off topic question: Are there _any_ search engines that provide _relevent_ results within the first 30 pages of a search? [The way Google did, circa 1998] Chad wrote: >You conspiracy theory nutjobs need to get a life - seriously. Google supplies surveillance data to a number of illegitimate regimes, who perpetuate rape, pillage, and death on the inhabitants of the territory who oppose those regimes. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Google - no thanks
Chad wrote: >Google does not do those things. That is very wishful thinking on your part. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Google - no thanks
Justin wrote: > How about a button for integration with Wikipedia's sister project > http://en.wiktionary.org/ a dictionary wiki which seems a natural fit Once upon a time, a wikionary macro for OOo was available. However, I couldn't find it when I went hunting for it two or so months ago, and a request on one of the OOo lists failed to provide any leads as to where in cyberspace it was hidden. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Feature in Lotus WordPro
Mark wrote: >in essence, an underline function that is only as long as the text. Sounds like you want:" >Paragraph styles >Underlining" Then check the check box "Individual Words". xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: re: Massachussetts registered voters
Chad wrote: >I never had a single problem other than fonts transfer files from one to The only time I successfully transfer documents between MSOffice97, MSOffice2K and MSOfficeXP, is when I rewrite the entire 500 page document either from scratch, or transcribing the printout. In every case MSOffice has failed to correctly read the file that was created using a different version of MSOffice. Font issues were the least of them. Entire markup formating gets demolished in the switch. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: re: Massachussetts registered voters
Nicols wrote: > Home users like Chad do not realise the budgets corporations are ready to > extend on standardisation, because even if the sums are pharaonic At times I think Chad does mortgage closings, where the idea of uniform file formats is an alien, and strange thing. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
[discuss] OOo a11y
All: This is simply a list of a coupl of things that would be useful to include in OOo, to help with a11y. i) Macro that emulates a Perkins Keyboard. ii) Macro that converts text to Grade 2 Braille; One major issue: This has to be localized for every country. iii) Printer Driver: Convert the document to Grade 2.0 Braile "on the fly" for direct printing to a Braille Printer; [ This would be a good project for INGOTS Gold or Platinum certification.] iv) Macro that converts text to Moon Alphabet; [ This would be a good project for INGOTS Gold or Platinum certification.] v) Printer Driver: Convert the document to Moon Alphabet "on the fly" for direct printing with a Moon Alphabet Printer; [ This would be a good project for INGOTS Gold or Platinum certification.] vi) Printer Driver: Convert the document to a WAV/MP3/other sound format; vii) Built in Screen Reader; [This also requires the ability to turn it on/off as needed.] viii) Speech to Text input. ix) Add custom sounds for OOo events; [This also requires the ability to turn it on/off as needed.] x) Add custom screen flashes for OOo events; [This also requires the ability to turn it on/off as needed.] xi) Keyboard shortcuts for _all_ OOo operations. ">Tools >Configuration >Keyboard" doesn't offer enough keystroke space for all OOo operations to be mapped as a keybord shortcut. If keyboard shortcuts could be expanded by two characters, this could be done. IE: to bring up xii) Keyboard entry of Unicode character values. [IE: type <2><8><8> for ⢽. xiii a) Joystick controlled OnScreen Keyboard. xiii b) Trackball controlled OnScreen Keyboard xiv) Built in "Sticky Key" functionality; xv) Built in "Repeat Key" functionality; xvi) Built in "Slow Key" functionality; xvii) Built in "Bounce Key" functionality; xvii) Built in "Mouse Key" functionality; [And yes, I know tht some of these are/should be included in the operating system rather than the appliction.] xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] japanese input
Pble wrote: > 1) I believe it would be relatively simple to add a function that > automatically fills in the This is one of those functions that is much more difficult than it looks. > 2) Japanese companies often use a single or a few kanji..ncased in a circle, Use Draw to create the appropriate graphic. Toss the graphic into your OOoClipArt Gallery, for future use. > 3) have writer integrated with an online open source English-Japanese > Japanese-English diction nay such as that of Jim Breen's of Monash University. That is merely grunt work. Option # 1: Convert the source data into OOoVocabulary format. Option # 2: Write a new translation macro; > 4)Add japanese to supported languages using complex text layout You can currently create Japanese documents with the writing direction either vertical, or horizontal. [Both L2R & R2L.] xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: Mixed language text spellchecking question
Cono wrote: > No, you just need ONE extra style for each extra language. Read my previous > message. What you recommend in that message works only if the document hs _one_ pragraph style. The moment you need two or more paragraph styles, that hve multi-lingual text in them, you need a chrcter style for each language. [Not to mention paragraph, numbering and maybe even page styles that are language specific.] >chnge color for on the screen, if you like. That is a good arguement in fvor of using styles. But it has virtually zero applicability on the practical world. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: Mixed language text spellchecking question
Shoshannah wrote: >should be able to handle mixed language documents transparently, Set the default Western language to English, and default CTL language to Hebrew. I don't remember if different fonts re required. [I use different fonts, purely becuase I think that David looks better than Lucida Sans Unicode for Hebrew.] That _usually_ automtically switches languages for me. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: Mixed language text spellchecking question
Nicolas wrote: > - and I may be wrong there, but can you apply multiple character styles to > the same word Each character in a word can have a different character style. A character may only have one character style and one paragraph style, though. > Separating language from styles would permit : > - syncing the language with input method (what this user asked) > - displaying the current language so users can actually know what I had a macro that did that.[I don't remember if it just showed the western language, or if it showed the CTL OR CKJ language if either of the latter was being used.] > - and a lot of other cool language-management enhancements > (language-specific word count, highlighting of a specific language when you > want a native speaker to check these parts, etc), which are not possible > right now when language is hidden in styles Those are currently doable, if somebody spends the time writing the appropriate macros. >If you don't create a very simple style that only specifies language, there is bound to be bad juju interaction with formatting. Create a parallel style for every language. This ends up with a number of styles, but it keeps the formatting straight. [Just don't save your document in RTF.] >Also if you go through styles that means users will have to set up what style to apply with what input every time they change documents That is what templates are for. Or just add all 10 000 styles you have created to your default template. Nicolas wrote: > From a pure UI POW what most users expect is a dropdown control with a > language list in the toolbar (like for styles, but strictly limited to > language), and a key accel to quickly switch between the languages Andrew Brown wrote: > This could surely be cludged around with an addin. Your proposed kludge is fairly simple: i) Duplicate the current cell/paragraph/character style. ii) Change the language to the new language; iii) Save new character style. and iv) Hope that the user remembers that they have already created a character style with the language that they want to use. [If they don't their style sheet will be littered with styles that they created as one shot uses. Search/Replace can't search for character styles, to clean that mess up.] Nicolas wrote: > but I don't feel we are making any sense to the styling camp. Essentially, the choices are: i) Include language as a style attribute; ii) Include style as a language attribute; Both approaches have their good points, and their bad points. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Multiple character styles (was: Re: Mixed language text spellchecking question)
Giuseppe wrote: > > you can't have multiple character styles for the same text > Is this really? Depends upon what is meant by "can't have multiple character styles in the same text". I've written documents where I liberally tossed Greek, Hebrew, Latin, Chinese, and Afrikaans together into the same sentence. I've also had each letter in a word in a different color by using different character style for each letter. Now if you want pink Russian, followed by a purple Russian chracter, you can do that, but have to create a pink Russian character style and a purple Russian character style. > Coming from WordPerfect, WordPerfect is based on text streaming, so style effects can be cumulative. OOo is based on objects, so style effects are not cumulative. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: OpenOffice.org 2.0 - How to install multiple UI-Languages?
GRS wrote: > With 2.0 you can install language packs for those languages you need. This > assumes that they exist, of cource. They don't appear to exist for windows. >Please check the various native language pages to see what they have. And that ignores the l10n projects that do not hve native lnguage pages on OpenOffice.org. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: Re: Re: re: Massachussetts registered voters
Daniel wrote: > I think that we can figure out what he meant to say. I thought he was using the term "pretending" as a psychoepistemological concept of constructing shared social reality. > The word "encourage" would be closer to Marco's meaning. Which is nowhere close to what I thought he meant. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: Re: Re: re: Massachussetts registered voters
Chad wrote: >What he said was a functional sentence, but it just didn't make sense in context. What he wrote makes perfect sense. What it means is not congruent with what he thought it meant. >doesn't mean I should try to translate his English emails into English! I realize that you lack the ability to translate English into English. But that is a fairly easy skill to acquire --- but only if the individual who desires to acquire that skill spends time in libraries --- a function that you have admitted you have no intention of ever doing. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: Re: Re: re: Massachussetts registered voters
Daniel wrote: >Jonathon and I inmediately realized that there was an error I didn't realize that what he wrote was not what he meant, until he rewrote it. Though it did cross my mind to wonder why anybody would mention psychosocial dynamics and applied philosophy to Chad, when he has demonstrated a marked inability to grasp rudimentary logic. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] thanks, quick question
Timothy wrote: >whether or not this is completely legal. It is legal to use. You can also sell, or give away as many copies as you want to. xan joanthon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad
Marco wrote: > objective data, with a determination that can only be explained by: > 1) serious mental disability, or > 2) deliberate trolling 3) He still hopes to become a stand up comic. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] a more complete office suite
Chad wrote: > Why? - WHY? > Because it makes *SENSE* to, that's why. It makes absolutely no sense to include an email client in an office suite. >spell-checker should draw from the same list of words. That is what elm is for. > It makes sense that since email is mostly words, and text documents are > mostly words, the interface should be similiar, if not identical. But email and docuemtns are two completly different crittters. They might have words in common, but that is _all_ they have in common. It makes much more sense for OOo to be functionally equivalent to a Dekstop Publishing Program, than to be functinally equivalent to an email client. >contact information (Names, emails, addresses, phone numbers, birthdays, relationships, Those datapoints belong in a databse. How many email client can reaed a _true_ database --- something thaty can be created and edited using SQL? > For these, and I am sure dozens of other reasons, How many email clients can read MySQL, Oracle, FireBird, SQLite or similar databases? > it makes sense to have an email client as a part of your office suite, > whether that suite is How can it make sense to include something, which is incapable of using the tools it _needs_ to perform its function? xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite
Chad wrote: >Google has, from the beginning, stated their goal is to "Don't be evil." And to this point, they aren't. When you have a chance, start apply Forensic Lingusitic Analysis to Google's statements. Doing so will make it patently obvious that they re doing some nefarious things. >Providing links into Thunderbird would be different than, say, providing links into AOL's email. You are right here. > [I'm not sure that's a real place, but you get my point.] It used to be. > The "It takes away choice" argument is pretty old with me. Depending upon how an email is incorproted into OOo, it may, or may not limit choice. With the way Base is integrated, one can still use MySQL SQLite, etc. > Adding "hooks" into Thunderbird (which, to me, seems to be the easiest route) > or creating an ODF based OOo email client with calendaring and address book, > would only enhance OpenOffice.org, and not detract from it. It probably is better to configure Thunderbird/SunBird to read/write ODF than create a new OOo mail client. [Especially if the email hooks are allredy prt of the OOo base code.] xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] a more complete office suite
Rigel wrote: > An office suite typicaly includes e-mail, an address book, and schedule, as > well as a project management application, which hasn't been mentioned. The only one of those items that can not be done within OOo 1.0.3 is email. Unfortuntly, the templates for project mangement and scheduling for OOo seem to have disappeared. :( xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite
Chad wrote: >(5) OOo can already do it if you write this macro, hack this code, download this patch, compile this completely unrelated program, build this bridge in Perl, and it only works on Linux -- plus it's not gonna work exactly like you think it should.. (NOTE: #5 is an exaggeration to prove a point, That is _not_ an exaggeration, if you want to edit PDFs in OOo. >Kinda like what happened with Base. The argument against Base was slightly different. For starters, OOo 1.x included a dBase clone, and had (some) hooks for SQL interactivity. The big issue was which SQL database implementation was going to be Incorporated into OOo. ** _If_ the hooks for an email client are included in OOo, then the questions are: i) Can a bridge to an existing email client be written? or ii) is it "better" to compile an existing email client into OOo? However, if what people mean by "outlook" is _not_ an email client, but a calendar function, or a PIM, then solution is much different: To wit: i) Find/replace/update the dBase templates, and document how to use them. ii) Document how to read/write/edit data in _thisPIM_ using OOo. [Where "thisPIM" is a PIM. Write one document for every known PIM.] iii) Document how to read/write/edit data in _thisCalenderFunction_ using OOo. [Where "ThisCalenderFunction" is a Calendar. Write one document for every known Calendar.] xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite
Rod wrote: > Without an email/pim component many will do just that. It's called MSO. > Is that what you really want? Just what functionality does MSO + Outlook offer, that can not be replicated by using OOo + FireFox + ThunderBird + SunBird + the appropriate templates? >I have yet to hear a call for a Tetris component, music composition, or audio editing, for instance. I've seen requests for all three of those on various OOo lists. Somebody did write a macro to play Tetris within OOo. [Now wondering what would happen if somebody were to toss the python audio editing modules into OOo source code.] > A good case could be made that open-source development is the most unfocused, Since there is no centralized location of closed source projects, you don't see all the junk that they don't produce. >so *suggesting* that OOo should somehow integrate an email/calendar/pim, preferably by cooperating with the Mozilla project, is actually quite conservative. Probably the simplest in the short/medium term. xan jonathon -- Does your Office Suite conform to ISO Standards?
