Re: [EVDL] A couple of Leaf observations. With more added on.

[Roland via EV]

   
According to my Nissan data sheet I received when Nissan ship the modules to 
me, A maximum cell voltage of 4.2 volts require a charger voltage set to 4.5 
volts.  It was recommended to set the charge voltage to 4.16 volts for a cell 
voltage of 4.00 volts.  This will give a very long battery life for my type of 
driving of 2 to 4 miles a day.   

 

It was also recommended to not discharge the cells below 3.65 volts which is 
one half of the ampere hour capacity and watt hour energy. 

 

According to my Orion MSN Manual,  the electrolyte starts to degrade above 4.0 
volts.  

 

It also best to install more cells in parallel to reduce the discharge and 
charge rate per cell.   I connect six 33.3 ah cells in parallel and than series 
the cell groups for 200 ah.

 

Charging with a Manzanito Micro 50 amp charger set for Li Poly cells which is 
on a 60 amp service circuit breaker, it charges the battery pack at 48 amps or 
48 A/6 cells = 8 amps maximum per cell.  

 

The discharge rate is also low.  My Café Electric motor controller provides a 
constant 200 motor ampere while the battery pack provides a 3 to 1 factor or 
about  66.6 battery amperes.   Each cell load is 66.6/6 = 11.1 amps.

 

Driving two miles for 1.5 miles up hill and .5 mile down hill using battery 
power, because the hills are very rough, the charger only takes less than 10 
seconds to get to the maximum set voltage, it takes about 30 minutes to charge 
at this lower rate of 11.1 ampere per cell or 48 battery amperes using about 
5.0 ampere hour. 

 

Roland  

 

  

 

 


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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>> I noticed Lee Hart saying he doesn't charge to 100%.  Why.

Simple. I don't need the range. So there's no need to charge it to 100% 
or run it dead.

And, there are reasons *not* to do it. My experience (with all types of 
batteries) has been that they last longer if they are not overcharged, 
and not deeply discharged.

There is no sudden "cliff", where 99% is fine and 101% is destroyed. 
It's a gradual thing. The higher the state of charge, the shorter the 
life. Likewise on the discharge side. The deeper the discharge, the 
shorter the life. The exact relationship varies between batteries, and 
is unknown for new unproven designs.

Thos True via EV wrote:
> ...a Nissan engineer told me that the BMS on board the Leaf was
> designed to limit both charging and discharging to protect the
> integrity of the battery pack...

I'm sure that Nissan has included a safety factor in what their 
instrumentation says is 100% and 0% state of charge. I also think Nissan 
believes what they are saying and doing is "right".

But, I also believe that the auto companies have very little real-world 
experience with EVs and batteries. Nissan's customers already got burned 
by shortened battery life and range due in hot climates on the earlier 
Leafs. I know that their instrumentation is poor, and their idea of a 
"battery heater" is woefully inadequate for Minnesota weather.

So, I will take the auto companies' advice with a grain of salt. After 
all, who will have to pay if their advice turns out to be wrong?  Not them!
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[EVDL] EVLN: Ghosn sez a very cheap EV.cn, to compete with $7k Kandi EVs

[brucedp5 via EV]

'VW targeting cheaper EV'

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20160203/ANE/160209970/renault-nissan-plan-cheap-ev-for-china
Renault-Nissan plan cheap EV for China
Nissan sells the Venucia e30, a local version of the Leaf, in China.
February 3, 2016  Nick Gibbs

WUHAN, China -- Renault-Nissan will develop an affordable electric car for
China because the alliance's current offering, the Nissan Leaf, is too
expensive for the local market.

Nissan sold just 1,273 units of the Venucia e30, a local version of the
Leaf, in China last year, according to the China Association of Automobile
Manufacturers (CAAM). The car starts at 242,800 yuan ($36,900).

Ghosn said he was unhappy with Venucia sales. "We envisaged much more than
that. We know price is a handicap," he said.

"For me the solution will be a very cheap electric car," Ghosn told
journalists at the opening of Renault’s plant here in central China on
Monday.

Ghosn did not comment on possible sales in markets outside China such as
Europe or the size of the car.

China's market for cars termed 'new energy vehicles' -- pure EVs and plug-in
hybrids -- has rapidly expanded in the last few years to reach 379,000 in
2015, according to government figures quoted by the China Daily newspaper.

Renault EV

Renault will sell its electric Fluence EV in China from 2017 under a Chinese
brand name, a condition imposed by the Chinese government foreign automakers
in return for a license to build cars in the country. The Fluence EV will be
assembled at Renault's Wuhan plan using kits imported from the company's
plant in Korea.

Renault expects to sell just a few thousand Fluence EVs a year, the
automaker's chief competitive officer, Thierry Bollore, said.

The car will be badged with an unused brand name from Dongfeng,
Renault-Nissan's joint venture partner in China.

China's EV market has been driven by substantial subsidies from the
government, which has said it wants five million new-energy vehicles on the
road by 2020.

Ghosn said that despite the incentives, most sales were very cheap electric
vehicles made by local brands costing between 30,000-50,000 yuan
($4,600-$7,000). The biggest selling electric car last year was the tiny
Kandi EV city car with 16,736 sold, according to CAAM.

"The government is saying we want more electric cars. The public is saying
'yes, but we want them cheap'," Ghosn said.

He said Renault-Nissan would start development of an affordable electric car
but the automakers first had to define what the public would accept. "We
need to work out what are the best compromises between acceptable
performance and lowest price possible," he said.

Hu Xindong, the joint head of the Dongfeng-Renault joint venture, described
purchase of EVs in China as "passive," driven by incentives rather than
choice.

He cited the example of China’s two biggest cities Shanghai and Beijing
where residents obtain a license plate – essentially permission to own a car
- free if they buy an electric vehicle.
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[20160201]  Details emerge of Volkswagen's all-new, Telsa-fighting
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Re: [EVDL] Musk dissociating from an annoying customer who isn't worth the trouble

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Re: [EVDL] Musk dissociating from an annoying customer who isn't worth the trouble

[via EV]

> Aside from debating about who is more rude, petty, or immature, what Musk did 
> should be illegal in the US. IMHO  

As a business owner, every customer that comes in my door is, in essence, my 
"boss". Just as those that work for others can decide to not work for their 
boss, I should be able to decide who I want to (or not) sell my products to, 
unless my choice is discriminatory. Of course, I guess you could consider being 
a jerk of a customer as being a "personality defect", making that exclusion 
discrimination. Otherwise, I can choose not to "work for" that customer's 
business. Pleasing a customer requires work, some more than others. 

The goal of a business is to build a relationship to create delighted 
customers. It would be great if each customer had a meter telling me how 
delighted I can make them. This is a rare case where the customer was ignorant 
enough to show his meter, and it read "disgruntled". The seller was able to 
make the smart decision and pass on that relationship. It's a shame all such 
customers don't show similar ignorance. 
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Re: [EVDL] A couple of Leaf observations. With more added on.

[Lee Hart via EV]

Lawrence Rhodes wrote:

I noticed Lee Hart saying he doesn't charge to 100%.  Why.


Simple. I don't need the range. So there's no need to charge it to 100% 
or run it dead.


And, there are reasons *not* to do it. My experience (with all types of 
batteries) has been that they last longer if they are not overcharged, 
and not deeply discharged.


There is no sudden "cliff", where 99% is fine and 101% is destroyed. 
It's a gradual thing. The higher the state of charge, the shorter the 
life. Likewise on the discharge side. The deeper the discharge, the 
shorter the life. The exact relationship varies between batteries, and 
is unknown for new unproven designs.


Thos True via EV wrote:

...a Nissan engineer told me that the BMS on board the Leaf was
designed to limit both charging and discharging to protect the
integrity of the battery pack...


I'm sure that Nissan has included a safety factor in what their 
instrumentation says is 100% and 0% state of charge. I also think Nissan 
believes what they are saying and doing is "right".


But, I also believe that the auto companies have very little real-world 
experience with EVs and batteries. Nissan's customers already got burned 
by shortened battery life and range due in hot climates on the earlier 
Leafs. I know that their instrumentation is poor, and their idea of a 
"battery heater" is woefully inadequate for Minnesota weather.


So, I will take the auto companies' advice with a grain of salt. After 
all, who will have to pay if their advice turns out to be wrong?  Not them!

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Re: [EVDL] Musk dissociating from an annoying customer who isn't worth the trouble

[Cor van de Water via EV]

 unacceptable,"
Alsop wrote, "particularly when the invited guests are actually your
customers!" For Musk to rise "at 8:52pm and not even acknowledge" he'd
"wasted" time "was insensitive and poor judgement," he continued, laying
into Musk for not apologizing to people like him, "who put a $5,000 deposit
on your new Model X." 

It took until the end of January for Musk to respond, but he certainly
dropped the hammer when he did, canceling Alsop's order for a Model X. In
his follow-up Medium post on being "Banned by Tesla," Stewart Alsop wrote
that he'd spoken with Musk and understood that the mogul took the VC's
potshots personally. Musk, Alsop wrote, is "not comfortable having me own a
Tesla car." So now Alsop is cursed to stick with his old Beemer [ice]:

 I understand that, by writing this post, I am making certain that I will
never be able to buy a Tesla. Since we had our conversation, I looked around
and realized that it is not possible to buy the equivalent of or even a pale
copy of the Tesla Model X (or Model S, for that matter), which is real
testament to how distinctive a product your company has produced. Indeed,
I'm likely to just keep driving my irritating BMW X1.  [-Alsop]


It was hard to not imagine Musk stifling a bored yawn when he tweeted that
coverage of the fracas was probably due to a "slow news day," reported the
Guardian. 

[tweet
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/694802955170553861
Elon Musk @elonmusk
Must be a slow news day if denying service to a super rude customer gets
this much attention
RETWEETS 2,492  LIKES 8,669
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]

Taking something personally in this way isn't too new for Elon Musk-he's
even had Twitter spats with fellow billionaires like Amazon's Jeff Bezos,
defending SpaceX's primacy in the commercial space travel sphere.

So buyer beware, maybe? If you really want that smooth-as-silk Tesla to show
off to friends, maybe play nice-or at least be polite. It could be that the
Washington Post was onto something with its suggestion in September that
Musk take what could be a much-needed vacation.

h/t Guardian [
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk-blogger-tesla-motors-model-x
]  [© 2016 Maxim Media]



'An annoying customer simply isn't worth the trouble'
http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/2/10899050/tesla-stewart-alsop-customer-service
A customer was so annoying that Tesla decided not to sell him a car
February 2, 2016  Jordan Golson
     
A reminder about the possible downsides to complaining about customer
service on the internet: you know how a customer can decide not to buy
something from a company with terrible service? That works the other way,
too. A company can decide not to sell its product to an annoying customer.

In particular, companies with a hot, in-demand product can decide that a
customer simply isn't worth the trouble. At least that's what we're getting
from this piece on Medium by venture capitalist Stewart Alsop. In it, Alsop
claims that Tesla canceled his order for a Model X SUV, asserting that it
was because of an earlier post where Alsop criticized Tesla CEO Elon Musk
for starting its September Model X launch event nearly two hours late (and
for not providing food).


Alsop's Medium stream is full of articles criticizing companies and their
products and customer service. It's likely that many of those companies
deserved the criticism. But if a company is so terrible and you have
reasonable alternatives, why keep buying stuff from them? It seems that
Tesla embraced that same mantra, and decided that Mr. Alsop simply wasn't
worth the trouble.


And with production of the Model X appearing to already be behind schedule,
dropping one order means everyone else will get their Model X a little bit
sooner.
[© 2016 Vox Media]



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a super rude customer gets
this much attention
RETWEETS 2,492  LIKES 8,669
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Taking something personally in this way isn't too new for Elon Musk—he's
even had Twitter spats with fellow billionaires like Amazon's Jeff Bezos,
defending SpaceX's primacy in the commercial space travel sphere.

So buyer beware, maybe? If you really want that smooth-as-silk Tesla to show
off to friends, maybe play nice—or at least be polite. It could be that the
Washington Post was onto something with its suggestion in September that
Musk take what could be a much-needed vacation.

h/t Guardian [
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/03/elon-musk-blogger-tesla-motors-model-x
]  [© 2016 Maxim Media]



'An annoying customer simply isn't worth the trouble'
http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/2/10899050/tesla-stewart-alsop-customer-service
A customer was so annoying that Tesla decided not to sell him a car
February 2, 2016  Jordan Golson
     
A reminder about the possible downsides to complaining about customer
service on the internet: you know how a customer can decide not to buy
something from a company with terrible service? That works the other way,
too. A company can decide not to sell its product to an annoying customer.

In particular, companies with a hot, in-demand product can decide that a
customer simply isn't worth the trouble. At least that's what we're getting
from this piece on Medium by venture capitalist Stewart Alsop. In it, Alsop
claims that Tesla canceled his order for a Model X SUV, asserting that it
was because of an earlier post where Alsop criticized Tesla CEO Elon Musk
for starting its September Model X launch event nearly two hours late (and
for not providing food).


Alsop's Medium stream is full of articles criticizing companies and their
products and customer service. It's likely that many of those companies
deserved the criticism. But if a company is so terrible and you have
reasonable alternatives, why keep buying stuff from them? It seems that
Tesla embraced that same mantra, and decided that Mr. Alsop simply wasn't
worth the trouble.


And with production of the Model X appearing to already be behind schedule,
dropping one order means everyone else will get their Model X a little bit
sooner.
[© 2016 Vox Media]



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[EVDL] VW is claiming new EVs will use 48-volt systems

[Paul Wujek via EV]

Does anyone have any thoughts on VW using 48-volt systems in planned EVs?

Here's an article that claims that number 
(http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/05/volkswagen-golf-eighth-generation-information/#slide-endcap), 
and I've seen others that repeat it.


This seems a very low voltage for a modern EV.

What kind of effects will this have on the design?
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Re: [EVDL] VW is claiming new EVs will use 48-volt systems

[Mike Nickerson via EV]

Here is a page talking about the changes to 24V or 48V replacement systems for 
12V.

http://www.electricvehiclesresearch.com/articles/8266/48v-vehicle-systems-becoming-significant

Mike


On February 6, 2016 8:18:03 PM MST, Paul Wujek via EV  wrote:
>Does anyone have any thoughts on VW using 48-volt systems in planned
>EVs?
>
>Here's an article that claims that number 
>(http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/05/volkswagen-golf-eighth-generation-information/#slide-endcap),
>
>and I've seen others that repeat it.
>
>This seems a very low voltage for a modern EV.
>
>What kind of effects will this have on the design?

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Re: [EVDL] VW is claiming new EVs will use 48-volt systems

[Mike Nickerson via EV]

I think they are changing the 12V system to 48V.  There are so many relatively 
high power systems running from the 12V system that current is starting to be 
an issue.

Mike

On February 6, 2016 8:18:03 PM MST, Paul Wujek via EV  wrote:
>Does anyone have any thoughts on VW using 48-volt systems in planned
>EVs?
>
>Here's an article that claims that number 
>(http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/05/volkswagen-golf-eighth-generation-information/#slide-endcap),
>
>and I've seen others that repeat it.
>
>This seems a very low voltage for a modern EV.
>
>What kind of effects will this have on the design?

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Re: [EVDL] VW is claiming new EVs will use 48-volt systems

[Tom Keenan via EV]

48 volts does indeed seem low for a modern EV, particularly one that weighs 
more than 3,000 pounds and is expected to go more than 60 MPH.  
I had a 48vdc (nominal) Citicar (about 1350 pounds empty) a few years back. It 
would struggle to go over 35 MPH. With a 450 amp controller, there is about 29 
HP available.  For reference, a 1967 Beetle (about 1,800 pounds empty) had 
about twice the power available (53 hp), and they weren't exactly known for 
their acceleration or high speed prowess. 
Typical lithium cells have about a 3C discharge rate; 450 amps continuous would 
require 150Ah cells. Any discharge greater than 450 amps (in this 48v scenario) 
would need higher capacity cells, and physically larger cables and contactors.  
To increase power, it is easier and less expensive to increase voltage, rather 
than amperage. 
Based on the same physics, it would appear that any 48v system would only be 
useful as a parallel augmentation system in a hybrid vehicle, and not as a 
primary propulsion system in a vehicle intended for use on a modern freeway.  
My guess is that VW plans might include using  a 48v battery linked to a higher 
voltage inverter driving a 120v or so AC motor.  Even so, the stress on a 48v 
pack  feeding this sort of system would be significant. 
Using a 48v pack might have a legal precedent, aimed at keeping some 
regulations or specific legislation at bay, as 48v is not considered high 
voltage. 

Tom Keenan

> On Feb 6, 2016, at 7:18 PM, Paul Wujek via EV  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have any thoughts on VW using 48-volt systems in planned EVs?
> 
> Here's an article that claims that number 
> (http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/05/volkswagen-golf-eighth-generation-information/#slide-endcap),
>  and I've seen others that repeat it.
> 
> This seems a very low voltage for a modern EV.
> 
> What kind of effects will this have on the design?
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Re: [EVDL] VW is claiming new EVs will use 48-volt systems

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On 6 Feb 2016 at 22:18, Paul Wujek via EV wrote:

> Does anyone have any thoughts on VW using 48-volt systems in planned
> EVs? 

It's not an EV.

"British magazine Autocar reports the Golf will launch with a brand new, 48-
volt mild hybrid drivetrain made up of a gasoline-burning 1.0-liter three-
cylinder that will be fitted with both a turbo and an electric supercharger, 
and an combined starter motor/generator."

http://www.leftlanenews.com/next-vw-golf-coming-next-year-with-plugin-hybrid-
drivetrain-90122.html

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[EVDL] Maybe it's better to go bigger when doing a solar vehicle.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

The Ultra Van is a unique motor home.
Powered by a Corvair engine and trans axle, it was designed by David
Peterson (a professional aircraft designer) in the early sixties. These
units were produced in limited quantities by Ultra, Inc. of
Hutchinson, Kansas until June of 1970. 
As a true monococque structure, the Ultra Van has no chassis. It is constructed
like an airplane with aluminum ribs covered with riveted sheet aluminum on the
top and sides. Compound curved areas (front and back corners) are fiberglass.
All wheels are independently sprung with coil springs and tubular shock
absorbers. 
These units cruise easily at 60 mph and deliver 15 plus mpg. More than 100 of
about 376 units produced are still on the road, many with between 100,000 and
500,000 miles of use. 
The Corvair Society of America (CORSA) recognizes the Ultra Van as a true
Corvair marque. 



http://www.corvair.org/chapters/ultravan/#spec
http://www.corvair.org/chapters/ultravan/used.html

This vehicle came dry at under 3000 pounds.   It is built monococque.  So no 
frame.  Like an airplane. 
It is 22 feet long and 8 feet wide.  That can fit a lot of solar panels.   
Maybe 3kw or more.  Since the original Corvair(140 hp) motor got 15mpg at 60mph 
a little aerodynamic modification could be done. Bottom and top side.  Bottom 
cover.  Reduced mirrors/and/or video cameras. A Nissan Leaf drive train should 
work.  These motor homes are collector items but may be gotten cheap if they 
need work.  It seems to me it would make a nice project. Charging time on solar 
should be under 8 hours.  Less if bigger more than 3kw panels can fit on the 
roof. Lawrence Rhodes..
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Re: [EVDL] VW is claiming new EVs will use 48-volt systems

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Indeed seems like a low voltage, it is however all about current. 
Clearly with a lower voltage they would have to draw significantly more 
amps.
That said if they are boosting the voltage at the battery to AC or DC 
and to a much higher voltage it becomes moot although the battery pack 
and the cabling still needs to have the ampacity.

On 2/6/2016 7:18 PM, Paul Wujek via EV wrote:

Does anyone have any thoughts on VW using 48-volt systems in planned EVs?

Here's an article that claims that number 
(http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/05/volkswagen-golf-eighth-generation-information/#slide-endcap), 
and I've seen others that repeat it.


This seems a very low voltage for a modern EV.

What kind of effects will this have on the design?


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Re: [EVDL] Musk dissociating from an annoying customer who isn't worth the trouble

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Re: [EVDL] Maybe it's better to go bigger when doing a solar vehicle.

[Lee Hart via EV]

Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

The Ultra Van is a unique motor home.


I've seen an UltraVan, and they are indeed about as close as you can get 
to an airplane on wheels without the wings. It is completely smooth 
underneath, as well as on the sides and top. I don't know what the Cd 
is, but it must be remarkably low.


Everything is aluminum, so they were very light (in original form). But 
most people load them up with the usual RV accessories, which add a lot 
of weight and wind resistance (air conditioners, roof racks, ladders, TV 
antennas, propane tanks, etc.)


It would indeed be interesting to see what a vehicle like this could do 
as an EV or hybrid, perhaps with a roof full of PV panels.


Buckminster Fuller's "Dymaxion car" is a similar sort of vehicle.

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[EVDL] NYPA Adds $8/charge Greenlots L3 50kW dual EVSE on I-87 Thruway

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://ngtnews.com/new-york-power-authority-adds-high-speed-ev-charging-stations-to-thruway/
New York Power Authority Adds High-Speed EV Charging Stations to Thruway
Jan 29, 2016

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New York’s first high-speed electric vehicle (EV) charging stations have
been installed at four service areas along the New York State Thruway in the
Hudson Valley.

First announced earlier this month at Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s State of the State
address, the new charging stations are part of the state’s Charge NY
initiative to install 3,000 EV charging stations across the state by 2018.
Cuomo also announced plans for an additional 800 new charging stations in
support of the Charge NY goal.

“In time, we hope to expand this program so these high-speed chargers are a
common sight throughout the Thruway system,” says Gil C. Quiniones,
president and CEO of the New York Power Authority (NYPA). “We are paving the
way for new business investment and jobs, as well as cleaner air for all New
Yorkers.”

The chargers enable fast-charge-capable EVs to be powered in about 30
minutes. They are located on I-87 northbound at the Plattekill and Malden
service areas, between exits 17 and 21, and on I-87 southbound, at the
Ulster and Modena service areas between exits 20 and 17. The new
infrastructure stems from collaboration between the NYPA, the New York State
Thruway Authority, the New York State Energy Research and Development
Authority and Nissan North America, which paid for the charging stations.
NYPA paid for the installation.

“Having a robust public charging infrastructure is critical to the success
of electric vehicles, which is why Nissan is collaborating with local
officials to provide additional charging options for New York drivers,” says
Andrew Speaker, Nissan’s director of electric vehicle sales and marketing.
“More charging options will allow more New Yorkers to enjoy the benefits
that electric vehicles have to offer, including significantly lower
operating costs – with zero spending for gas.”

The charging stations are each capable of supplying up to 50 kW of power to
an electric vehicle and support both of the standard connectors – CHAdeMO
and SAE Combo. Thruway motorists will be charged $8 per charging event, and
motorists will need a Greenlots account or use the Greenlots app via a
smartphone to charge at these stations.

Since Charge NY was launched in 2013, more than 750 EV charging stations
have been added in New York, bringing the current total to approximately
1,250. Approximately 14,500 plug-in vehicles are currently operating in the
state.
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Greenlots
http://greenlots.com/sky-network/
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http://www.windpowerengineering.com/featured/business-news-projects/n-y-power-authority-unveils-the-states-first-high-speed-electric-vehicle-charging-stations/
N.Y. Power Authority unveils the state’s first high-speed electric vehicle
charging stations
January 29, 2016  Paul Dvorak

Editor’s note: Developments such as fast charging stations will encourage
wider use of  electric vehicles. This is minor good news for the power
industry which has seen a low growth rate over the last few years. More to
the wind power point, when the charging stations are between power stations
on New York throughways, hopefully the power will come from nearby wind
farms.  

New York Power Authority says that New York’s first high-speed electric
vehicle charging stations to power up electric vehicles (EV) within minutes
have been installed at four service areas along the New York State Thruway
in the Hudson Valley.

[image]  The four DC fast charging stations are located in the
Newburgh/Kingston area on the Thruway. The travel plazas are Plattekill and
Malden (travelling north on 87). And Ulster and Malden Thruway stop
(travelling south on 87). The stations have two cables. One supports Nissan
and Mitsubishi vehicles. The other supports BMW and the other German and
American brands. Tesla uses a different cable, but some of their drivers
carry around adapters to use DC fast chargers like these. Tesla also has
rapid charging stations near the Thruway in this area. The charging stations
are rated at 50 kW and can bring an empty battery in most electric cars
close to full in about 30 minutes. Photos by Trish Hennessy *PLEASE MAKE
SURE ALL LICENSE PLATE INFORMATION IS DISCARDED BEFORE USEPhoto has been
retouched

First announced earlier this month at Governor Andrew M. Cuomo’s State of
the State, the charging stations are part of the state’s Charge NY
initiative to install 3,000 charging stations across the state by 2018.
Governor Cuomo also announced plans for the addition of 800 new charging
stations in support of the Charge NY goal.
Charge NY is one of a number of clean energy initiatives under the

[EVDL] EVLN: Electric Jeep from two VW's, a junk-parts science-experiment (v)

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://www.wsj.com/video/the-electric-jeep-that-actually-a-volkswagen/666B412B-F25A-42B0-9CD5-A8ACEF6126BF.html
The Electric Jeep That's Actually a Volkswagen
2/2/2016
[video flash]
New Yorker Doug Manowitz built an electric vehicle from parts that he mostly
ordered online. His goal was to build a zero-emission vehicle he could use
to to zip around the city. Photo: Ben Sarle for The Wall Street Journal
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A Jeep—From the Ground Up
[20160202]  Doug Manowitz, 59, a contractor from Manhattan, on his homemade
electric Jeep, as told to A.J. Baime.  I started this vehicle as a science
experiment. I thought, what if I could build an electric vehicle mostly out
of parts I could buy on eBay? Essentially out of junk, with some new
components added in? It would put out zero emissions, and would cost me
nothing to drive. I could plug it in with a regular extension cord ...
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EV Jeep test drive
Video for Manowitz Jeep electric 33:03
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Driving around Manhattan in an EV Jeep : 96 V AC motor, 1970 VW Beetle
chassis, 1980 CJ5 fiberglass ...
]
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http://www.qgazette.com/news/2015-05-13/Features/Manhattan_Man_Builds_Electric_Car.html
Manhattan Man Builds Electric Car
2015-05-13 / Features

[images
http://www.qgazette.com/sites/www.qgazette.com/files/images/2015-05-13/30p1.jpg
There are two electric cars (so far) to this story: a 2013 72v DC Electric
Roadster with roll cage and canvas body; and a 2015 96v AC Electric “Jeep.”
Both cars use the VW chassis system

http://www.qgazette.com/sites/www.qgazette.com/files/images/2015-05-13/30p2.preview.jpg
(e-jeep)
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Doug Manowitz has built his own car. What started as a science experiment
has ended in the construction of a series of electric cars designed for
urban use, short range travel and ease of use.

Manowitz, who renovates townhouses in the city, purchased at online auction
a 72- volt DC forklift motor. His intention was to create a low-voltage,
high-torque hoist for use in any building where there might not be adequate
Con Edison service or perhaps no service at all. After it became apparent
that there would be no need for the motor, he found a junked VW chassis to
experiment on.

Among the advantages of using an existing chassis, the vehicle may be
registered with only a VIN (vehicle identification number) stamped on the
frame. A body is not a requirement to pass inspection.

Two cars were assembled in the basement of the apartment building garage
where Manowitz lives, in Manhattan. The parking garage owners have been very
cooperative and installed local 110v convenience outlets for his use near
the bays in which Manowitz stores the cars.

In both cases he manufactured aluminum adapter plates to mount the motors,
and had to find inventive ways to engage the VW drive shaft. In both cases
he was fortunate to have the original couplings from the gas engines.

“At this point I might add that both cars are ‘clutchless.’ Since the
electric motor does not idle when you lift your foot from the accelerator,
it is easy to ‘throw’ the transmission into gear. The motor being
high-torque will drive the vehicle from rest, even in third gear, although
perhaps not efficiently. I might add that we now realize that the newer car
with regenerative braking always has the transmission engaged with the
motor, unless you pull it into neutral. To shift to a higher gear, you need
to ‘double clutch’ or match the rpm of the motor to your coasting speed.
Looking into replacing the transmission with a Porsche semi-automatic type
to relieve this small problem,” said Manowitz.

He has been commuting to work 120 city blocks round trip (about nine miles
daily) for two years, weather permitting. The flexibility of the 110v
charger permits Manowitz to plug in at the local coffee shop, alongside
people plugging in their laptops.

“I just carry a 50-foot extension cord in a storage box on board. I frequent
restaurants and cafes that have parking in front or nearby and ‘top off’
charge at various waypoints. It frees one from the anxiety of planning a
trip around where commercial 220v charging stations may be. And generally in
NYC, they are all within parking garages that charge you for parking and
again for the use of the charging station. Of course , if you can afford a
Tesla, you probably don’t care about the cost of parking,” he said.

“The next phase for me is to search out a high school shop class, or a
technical school, to collaborate with and teach. I am currently looking for
a real estate sponsor to donate industrial space.

“Another goal is to contact NYC administration officials, for example the
Parks department, and solicit a proposal to furnish them with zero emission
electric utility vehicles that are street legal, not NEV type low-speed
vehicles.

“What we’re doing is really bringing back to 

[EVDL] EVLN: REx are 'training wheels'> not designed to be leaned on

[brucedp5 via EV]

'Cadillac ELR Has Replaced The Edsel As the Worst Car'

http://ecomento.com/2016/02/02/bmw-i3-rex-ev-is-like-training-wheels-product-manager-says/
BMW i3 REx EV is like ‘training wheels,’ product manager says
February 2, 2016

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video
https://youtu.be/9PlaciZAFYA
Discover the BMW i3 with Range Extender
BMWi  Nov 9, 2015 ...
]

BMW i3 REx [pih] is like ‘training wheels,’ product manager says
The BMW i3 stands out among electric cars because it’s offered in both
conventional all-electric form, and as an “REx” model with a small gasoline
engine that acts as a range extender. Unlike the other popular
range-extended electric car, the Chevy Volt [pih], the i3 REx isn’t designed
to run further on gasoline power than it can on electric power.

BMW i product manager Jose Guerrero offered some insight into why the
company set the car up that way in a recent interview with BMW Blog. He said
BMW intended the REx to be used like a standard battery-electric car, and
not for drivers to lean on the gasoline engine too much. In a way, the REx
is “almost like training wheels for the (i3) BEV,” he said.

Guerrero noted that BMW wanted the i3 to be an electric car first, meaning
it wanted to ensure that drivers spent most of their time on electric power.
A development requirement was that the gasoline range not vastly exceed
electric range (the 2016 i3 REx has a rated 72 miles of electric range, and
150 miles on both electric and gasoline power). That differs from the Volt,
which Guerrero somewhat dismissively compared to plug-in hybrids like BMW’s
own X5 xDrive40e.

It’s worth noting that BMW didn’t just design the i3 REx to burnish its
green credentials. The range-extended powertrain was also set up
specifically to allow the i3 to qualify as a range-extended battery-electric
vehicle or “BEVx” under California emissions rules. The i3 was the first
production vehicle to qualify for that category, which places restrictions
on the design of the range extender and how it can be used. Among other
things, this allows the i3 REx to qualify for a $2,500 California tax
credit.

The i3 [EV] is expected to get a range boost this year, although BMW has not
discussed the details of that. Further into the future, Guerrero hinted that
the electric car could become a platform for autonomous-driving technology,
saying that said technology “is ready today.”
[© ecomento.com]
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http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/01/26/interview-with-jose-guerrero-bmw-i-product-manager/
Interview with Jose Guerrero, BMW USA i Product Manager
January 26th, 2016



http://www.torquenews.com/106/cadillac-elr-headed-extinction-and-i-m-bummin
The Cadillac ELR is Headed for Extinction  ...
2016-02-02
...
[dated]
http://www.autospies.com/news/18-Months-And-Only-1835-Units-Later-Would-You-Say-The-Cadillac-ELR-Has-Replaced-The-Edsel-As-the-Worst-Car-Of-All-Time-85258/
18 Months And Only 1835 Units Later Would You Say The Cadillac ELR Has
Replaced The Edsel As the Worst Car Of All Time?
5/13/2015
...
http://insideevs.com/2016-cadillac-elr-gets-electric-range-bumped-40-miles/
2016 Cadillac ELR “Sport” Emerges With Reduced Electric Range
[2016-02-05]




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Re: [EVDL] A couple of Leaf observations. With more added on.

[Cruisin via EV]

Buy a Tesla and you can control the % of charge as well as Amperage. Used
from Tesla with a 5 year warranty for as little as $50k. That's a real EV.

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