[FairfieldLife] Spitzer v. Wright

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
Eliot Spitzer was deemed inappropriate to contine as Governor of New 
York for having the bad judgement to visit prostitutes for the past 10 
years and all the infractions that go along with that.

Will Barack Obama be deemed inappropriate for the job of President 
because he attended a church for 20 years presided over by what many, 
many Americans will perceive as a raving lunatic?  And that this 
very "lunatic" presided over Barack's wedding, served as the 
inspriration for his spiritual awakening (according to Barack), is the 
source of the words "audacity of hope" (the theme of Obama's book and 
presidential bid) and is one if not the main inspirations in his life? 



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2008-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > It *is* astounding. Can you explain how he managed
> > to so badly misread the racial situation in this
> > country as to think he could run as a "post-racial"
> > candidate when he's had Wright as his pastor and
> > spiritual advisor for 20 years?
> 
> [snip]
> 
> I truly believe that these words of Judy's sums the whole
> situation up in one succinct paragraph.

There's one big difference between us, Shemp. I think
Wright's tirade was on target.




[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Judy, I stand by my previous comments.

Then you're just dirt, Marek. Absolutely inexcusable.






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Bhairitu
Rick Archer wrote:
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:34 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
>
>  
>
> I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- 
>
> Maybe we’ll get him as VP.
No, Attorney General would be far, far better fit for Edwards.  It would 
scare the shit out of the gangsters running major corporations.




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[FairfieldLife] If Michael Moore were a Republican...

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
...can you imagine how he would edit Rev. Wright's remarks and 
intersperse them with images of Obama into a 60-second "attack ad"?

This is what is in store for you Democrats if Barack is the nominee.

And there won't be anything "swift-boat" about it; there won't have to 
be because this issue goes directly to the heart of character and 
policy and judgement, qualities that are so vital in determining the 
Commander in Chief.



[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Chuckles.  I'm similarly astounded, though not
> surprised.  How's that for a paradox? 

Using these standards, would a person who had
studied with Maharishi for 20 years have the
judgment necessary to become President?

After all, they have sat in the room with him
and listened to sermon after sermon about how
democracy should be damned and that everyone 
should write off Britain as a 'scorpion nation,' 
how one's lot in life and prospects is *and should 
be* completely determined by the family one is 
born into, that women have no place in the world 
except as wives, nuns, or in delicate professions 
that don't bruise their fragile sensibilities and
that they can NEVER rise to positions of power
in the teacher's organization, that the "rule
of kings" is the best form of government and
that the king's will is and should be law and
that anyone who even DOUBTS it (or anything that
they say, for that matter) should be exiled, that 
genocidal dictators should be praised and supported, 
that meditation should be made mandatory and that 
people should be forced to practice it "for their 
own good," that people who prance around wearing 
long flowing robes and Burger King crowns have not 
only the wisdom to rule the world but the divine 
right to do so, and many other such things.

How could anyone vote for anyone who would sit
through that for 20+ years without ever speak-
ing out against it, eh? How could anyone who
sat through such stuff EVER be considered 
trustworthy or even *intelligent* enough to
be President? Surely they don't have the judg-
ment one needs to be a leader.


> --- Marek Reavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Wow, it astounds me, Judy, that after correctly
> > identifying the two 
> > horns of the dilemna that Obama has to face, you
> > argue with a 
> > straight face that this is indicative of Obama's
> > lack of judgment 
> > (and, therefore and necessarily, an indication of
> > his not having 
> > crossed the commander-in-chief threshold).
> > 
> > "He thought he could sneak through the minefield of
> > race when he 
> > himself was responsible for planting the bomb that
> > has now blown up 
> > in his face."
> > 
> > "...when he himself was responsible for planting the
> > bomb that has 
> > now blown up in his face."  What an extraordinary
> > vile, barely 
> > subliminal reference to terrorist suicide bombers.  
> > 
> > And it's all about *his* lack of judgment.
> > 
> > Astounding.  Truly astounding.
> > 
> > **
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek
> > Reavis" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you
> > may be African 
> > > > American for all I know, though I doubt it. 
> > However, if you
> > > > have ever had first-hand experience with the
> > chronic condition
> > > > of being Black in America, you would have a more
> > charitable
> > > > view of any Black American's frustration and
> > fundamental anger
> > > > with the racism that is still endemic in this
> > country.  And
> > > > Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his
> > minister for every
> > > > intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of
> > prejudice, is
> > > > more understandable.
> > > 
> > > Marek, the trouble is that few white voters in
> > this
> > > country *have* had "first-hand experience with the
> > > chronic condition of being Black in America," and
> > a
> > > lot of them are going to react exactly as Shemp
> > does.
> > > 
> > > So Shemp is quite right to say Wright's tirade is
> > > a BIG problem for Obama.
> > > 
> > > Moreover, it demolishes the notion that Obama is a
> > > "post-racial" candidate. If he denounces what his
> > > pastor said, he's denying the validity of the very
> > > complaints that you're arguing are fully
> > justified.
> > > And if he defends Wright's remarks, then he's 
> > > thrusting the matter of his race front and center
> > > in the campaign.
> > > 
> > > How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to
> > > his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still
> > conduct
> > > a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an
> > issue
> > > is a huge mystery. How could he not realize
> > Wright's
> > > tirades would become public knowledge and be
> > thrown
> > > back in his face, forcing him either to
> > acknowledge
> > > their validity and thereby confront America's
> > racism
> > > head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks
> > still
> > > have to face every day?
> > > 
> > > Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's
> > part
> > > is enough to cast serious doubt on his
> > qualifications
> > > to be president. He thought he could sneak through
> > the
> > > minefield of race when he himself was responsible
> > for
> > > planting the bomb that has now blown up in his
> > face.
> > > 
> > > The awful reality of racism in America can't be
> > made

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Marek Reavis
Judy, I stand by my previous comments.

Marek

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Wow, it astounds me, Judy, that after correctly identifying the 
two 
> > horns of the dilemna that Obama has to face, you argue with a 
> > straight face that this is indicative of Obama's lack of 
judgment 
> > (and, therefore and necessarily, an indication of his not having 
> > crossed the commander-in-chief threshold).
> 
> I didn't say anything about the "commander-in-chief
> threshold," Marek. Got another straw man?
> 
> > "He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he 
> > himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown 
up 
> > in his face."
> > 
> > "...when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that 
has 
> > now blown up in his face."  What an extraordinary vile, barely 
> > subliminal reference to terrorist suicide bombers.
> 
> Oh, please. Suicide bombers don't plant minefields,
> they carry their bombs with them. I didn't choose my
> metaphor at random. It's your appallingly twisted
> interpretation that's vile.
> 
> > And it's all about *his* lack of judgment.
> 
> Yes, his lack of judgment about the lack of judgment
> of too many white American voters. Those white voters
> aren't running for president, they're deciding whether
> he should be running.
> 
> > Astounding.  Truly astounding.
> 
> It *is* astounding. Can you explain how he managed
> to so badly misread the racial situation in this
> country as to think he could run as a "post-racial"
> candidate when he's had Wright as his pastor and
> spiritual advisor for 20 years?
> 
> Try addressing my point instead of spitting out
> vicious ad hominems.
>




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread Bo Levander
Anyone knows the whereabouts of Joseph Murioki who was the Naltional Leader of 
the TMO of Kenya?



   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


[snip]

> It *is* astounding. Can you explain how he managed
> to so badly misread the racial situation in this
> country as to think he could run as a "post-racial"
> candidate when he's had Wright as his pastor and
> spiritual advisor for 20 years?

[snip]


I truly believe that these words of Judy's sums the whole situation up 
in one succinct paragraph. 



[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Chuckles.  I'm similarly astounded, though not
> surprised.  How's that for a paradox?

You are both quite willfully ignoring my point.






[FairfieldLife] Re: Seatbelt Week in FF

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> HI Friends
> 
> This week is 'seatbelt week' around FF.




Too bad it wasn't "Semaine de Ceinture de Securite" that fateful day 
in Paris when Diana and Dodi took a ride...






> Bhumi got stopped on B Street 
> near the cemetery and was given a warning. The patrolman said the 
> department will be issuing citations all week. (Why didn't i get a 
> warning last summer???)
> 
> Steve
>  
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Wow, it astounds me, Judy, that after correctly identifying the two 
> horns of the dilemna that Obama has to face, you argue with a 
> straight face that this is indicative of Obama's lack of judgment 
> (and, therefore and necessarily, an indication of his not having 
> crossed the commander-in-chief threshold).

I didn't say anything about the "commander-in-chief
threshold," Marek. Got another straw man?

> "He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he 
> himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up 
> in his face."
> 
> "...when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has 
> now blown up in his face."  What an extraordinary vile, barely 
> subliminal reference to terrorist suicide bombers.

Oh, please. Suicide bombers don't plant minefields,
they carry their bombs with them. I didn't choose my
metaphor at random. It's your appallingly twisted
interpretation that's vile.

> And it's all about *his* lack of judgment.

Yes, his lack of judgment about the lack of judgment
of too many white American voters. Those white voters
aren't running for president, they're deciding whether
he should be running.

> Astounding.  Truly astounding.

It *is* astounding. Can you explain how he managed
to so badly misread the racial situation in this
country as to think he could run as a "post-racial"
candidate when he's had Wright as his pastor and
spiritual advisor for 20 years?

Try addressing my point instead of spitting out
vicious ad hominems.





[FairfieldLife] Re: It's over for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Richard J. Williams
Duveyoung wrote:
> Funny, but I support Obama's preacher's words 
> almost to the letter.
>
"God Damn America." 



[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Shemp, thanks for the reply, and I share the concern you express 
that 
> anything and everything will be used against Obama, first by 
Clinton 
> and, should he prevail, by the Republicans.
> 
> My buttons rarely get pressed, but my experiences have deeply 
> impressed on me the terrible effects of racism and prejudice, and 
if 
> I've unfairly painted you with that brush




I didn't think that for a nano-second.




> (and your reply shows me 
> that I have), I sincerely apologize.  



No need to.



> 
> I wouldn't characterize Obama's candidacy and support for it as 
> Affirmative Action per se, so much as simply an Affirmation that's 
> rising from many good hearts that we can be better than we've been, 
> that we can be more alert to the true dangers that confront us and 
> more responsive to the intelligent solutions that are available to 
us.
> 
> Six months ago, I didn't think we had this opportunity, and I agree 
> with you that he may fail and that the forces of status quo will 
> prevail.  But then again, I'm a public defender who's used to 
> swimming upstream with nothing but dams ahead, and no fish ladders 
to 
> circumvent them.  
> 
> Edg's trikking has nothing on tilting at windmills for real 
exercise.
> 
> Shemp, thanks for your contributions here.
> 
> Marek





Question for everyone on this forum:

Go back 8 years.  Does anyone doubt that had Colin Powell decided to 
run for President under the Republican banner that he wouldn't have 
been elected in a landslide?

And that white Republicans would have voted for him en masse in the 
same numbers that they did for Bush?

I think that the above is exactly what would have happened and Powell 
would be our President today.

And would I have supported such a candidacy at least in part because 
he was an African-American?

Of course I would have.

But it only would have been possible for me to indulge myself like 
that if -- and only if -- Powell was compatible with my general 
worldview, which he was and is.

Indeed, if there is any Powell I'd like to see as President, it would 
be his son, Michael Powell.  If anyone is familiar with him, he is -- 
despite the difficult choices he had to make as Chairman of the FCC --
 a dye-in-the-wool libertarian and free-marketer.  That's where I am 
coming from as you are all aware and Michael Powell is the poster-boy 
for this worldview.

"Liberal" is a dirty word in presidential politics and too much in 
Obama's present and past shouts this word too, too loudly.  Sorry, 
but the cold, hard facts are that middle America hates a president 
that is too Liberal.  That's why Bill Clinton rushed home during his 
presidential campaign in '92 to ensure that a retarded Black man be 
put to death in Arkansas...this, along with his Sister Souljah 
moment, ensured his presidential win.  

This liberalism factor will outweigh the very eager desire I share 
with all of you on this forum to see an African-American named Barack 
Obama become president.







> 
> **
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Marek, 
> > 
> > If the American electorate was as tolerate and kind hearted as 
you 
> > are and shared even 10% of your worldview and experience then, 
yes, 
> I 
> > would agree with your well-reasoned and virtuous assessment below.
> > 
> > But they don't.
> > 
> > And Hillary and the Democratic Party realize this and know that 
> this 
> > Minister Wright episode is beyond any justification to continue 
> with 
> > what we all know (but don't necessary speak of in public) as this 
> > exercise in ultimate Affirmative Action that is the Barack Obama 
> > presidential run.
> > 
> > Support him all you want if it makes you feel good.  He just 
won't 
> be 
> > president.  And if you insist upon him becoming the nominee, 
you'll 
> > be stuck with another Republican for 4 years.  Is that what you 
> want?
> > 
> > Hell, you guys can self-destruct all you want.  It's not my 
> country...
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African 
> > > American for all I know, though I doubt it.  However, if you 
have 
> > > ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of 
> being 
> > > Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any 
> > Black 
> > > American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism 
that 
> > is 
> > > still endemic in this country.  And Barack Obama's 
unwillingness 
> to 
> > > condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from 
a 
> > > lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable.
> > > 
> > > I'm privileged to work in the criminal justice system, at the 
> same 
> > > time I'm constantly reminded of just how little justice is 
> afforded 
> > > to a black as opposed to a white.  Injustice is fundamental and 
> > it's 
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy (snipped):
> How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to
> his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct
> a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue
> is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's
> tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown
> back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge
> their validity and thereby confront America's racism
> head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still
> have to face every day?
> 
> Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part
> is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications
> to be president. He thought he could sneak through the
> minefield of race when he himself was responsible for
> planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face.
> 
> Me:  In the first paragraph of yours that I've quoted,
> you ask a bunch of rhetorical questions.  In the
> second paragraph you assume that these questions have
> been answered to the detriment of Obama.  But do you
> really know that Obama is as unaware and as lacking in
> judgment as you claim he is?  You have presented no
> evidence.  Your rhetorical questions are not evidence.

You obviously don't grasp the point I'm making.
Read what I wrote again, please. What I'm saying
is that the *facts* are evidence of his lack of
judgment: He decided to run as a "post-racial"
candidate after having been a member for 20 years
of the congregation of a pastor who is anything
*but* post-racial.

And this pastor didn't just lead the congregation
of which Obama was a member; he was Obama's close
friend and spiritual advisor, according to Obama
himself. The title of Obama's book was taken from
one of the pastor's sermons.

You tell me. How did Obama imagine his association
with this pastor wasn't going to come to voters'
attention? And if he did realize it was going to
come to voters' attention, how did he imagine he
was going to be able to continue to present himself
as a "post-racial" candidate without disavowing 
what his pastor had said?

And if he disavows what his pastor has said, he's
rejecting his pastor's all-too-accurate description
of the situation blacks still face in this country.

The questions about his judgment *have* been
answered. The *facts* are that he's put himself on
the horns of a dilemma from which he can't
extricate himself without very serious damage to
his campaign. How can that be portrayed as
anything but *terrible* judgment?

I'd be behind him all the way if he wanted to take
up his pastor's cause. But if he does, he'll lose
a very significant chunk of the white primary voters
who now support him based on his "post-racial"
campaign, who think his pastor is a Scary Black Man
promoting race war.

And if he still manages to win the Democratic
nomination, he will be responsible for putting
John McCain in the White House.




[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Shemp I agree with you 100%




I am confused, Louis.

Was that a typo on your part?  Are you sure you didn't mean you agree 
100% with Duveyoung?






> 
> Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Shemp,
> 
> I think that most of the folks here agree with me.
> 
> My blurbs about the sermons below in blue font.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:
> >
> > If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be 
> > elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how 
many 
> > delegates he has.
> > 
> > -
> > 
> > from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub
> > 
> > OPINION 
> > 
> > 
> > Obama and the Minister
> > By RONALD KESSLER
> > March 14, 2008; Page A19
> > 
> > In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's 
longtime 
> > minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS 
> > virus, 
> 
> This may not be true, but given the criminal operations of the FDA, 
I cannot rule out that the experiments in injecting people with 
monkey pus are scientific or capitalistic.  I'm leaning towards 
capitalistic.
> 
> training professional killers, 
> 
> The Blackwater Army is one example, as are the heinous acts of 
torture by our troops, and shooting down in cold blood a black man on 
his steps by a gang of police shooting dozens of bullets at an 
UNARMED MAN.  Deny these things, and you'll just be "Shemp doing that 
shit again" to most here.
> 
> importing drugs 
> 
> The opium growers of Afghanistan are openly acknowledged by BushCo 
as "necessary evils" to insure that we don't have to fight these 
warlords while searching of Bin Laden.  And this is a old old story --
 the poppy fields are never sprayed with poison by a quick strike 
from America for instance.
> 
> and creating a 
> > racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.
> 
> When I was raised, my childhood history books never showed dead 
blacks in nooses, dead Native Americans, etc., nor was I ever 
prompted to examine what was the state of racial relationships in 
America.  It took me DECADES to undo what my school, my parents, and 
my society did to empower me to hate black folks and feel superior.  
Read one modern book about Black History and you will have all the 
proof of state-sanctioned jackboots on the backs of African 
Americans' necks.
> 
> > 
> > The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity 
United 
> > Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's 
Andrew 
> > Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.
> > 
> > 
> > Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service 
> > Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright 
> > "We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," 
he 
> > began. 
> 
> This was easy for white America to arrange via Makek's example 
recently posted and by the drug laws.  There can be no question 
regarding the unfairness of how the courts treat black folks.
> 
> "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was 
> > founded and how this country is still run. 
> 
> This is absolute truth.
> 
> No black man will ever be 
> > considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse 
[Jackson] 
> > and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside 
what 
> > she can give with her body."
> 
> Well, here he's wrong since Obama looks like he might pull it off.  
I think we have to thank BushCo for being so obviously criminal that 
to white Americans, even a black Muslim seems a change for the better.
> 
> > 
> > Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in 
the 
> > world. . . . 
> 
> So fucking true.
> 
> We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the 
> > exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . 
> 
> True.
> 
> We 
> > bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children 
while 
> > trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and 
Ghadhafi . . . 
> 
> True.
> 
> > We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the 
whole 
> > 27 years he was there. 
> 
> Don't know if America had any direct involvement in Mandela's 
imprisonment, but we sure didn't make it a political issue when 
dealing with the white racist government that jailed him.
> 
> We believe in white supremacy and black 
> > inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."
> 
> That's a very sad note that even black pride is being eroded -- or 
at the least black pride is being kept from fully emerging.
> 
> > 
> > His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism 
shamelessly 
> > while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke 
out 
> > against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . 
> 
> True.  We allow Israel to have a 100 nukes, but the Palestinians 
are shot down like dogs if they merely have a sneer on their faces.
> 
> We care nothing about hum

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Angela Mailander
Chuckles.  I'm similarly astounded, though not
surprised.  How's that for a paradox? 




--- Marek Reavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wow, it astounds me, Judy, that after correctly
> identifying the two 
> horns of the dilemna that Obama has to face, you
> argue with a 
> straight face that this is indicative of Obama's
> lack of judgment 
> (and, therefore and necessarily, an indication of
> his not having 
> crossed the commander-in-chief threshold).
> 
> "He thought he could sneak through the minefield of
> race when he 
> himself was responsible for planting the bomb that
> has now blown up 
> in his face."
> 
> "...when he himself was responsible for planting the
> bomb that has 
> now blown up in his face."  What an extraordinary
> vile, barely 
> subliminal reference to terrorist suicide bombers.  
> 
> And it's all about *his* lack of judgment.
> 
> Astounding.  Truly astounding.
> 
> **
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek
> Reavis" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you
> may be African 
> > > American for all I know, though I doubt it. 
> However, if you
> > > have ever had first-hand experience with the
> chronic condition
> > > of being Black in America, you would have a more
> charitable
> > > view of any Black American's frustration and
> fundamental anger
> > > with the racism that is still endemic in this
> country.  And
> > > Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his
> minister for every
> > > intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of
> prejudice, is
> > > more understandable.
> > 
> > Marek, the trouble is that few white voters in
> this
> > country *have* had "first-hand experience with the
> > chronic condition of being Black in America," and
> a
> > lot of them are going to react exactly as Shemp
> does.
> > 
> > So Shemp is quite right to say Wright's tirade is
> > a BIG problem for Obama.
> > 
> > Moreover, it demolishes the notion that Obama is a
> > "post-racial" candidate. If he denounces what his
> > pastor said, he's denying the validity of the very
> > complaints that you're arguing are fully
> justified.
> > And if he defends Wright's remarks, then he's 
> > thrusting the matter of his race front and center
> > in the campaign.
> > 
> > How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to
> > his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still
> conduct
> > a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an
> issue
> > is a huge mystery. How could he not realize
> Wright's
> > tirades would become public knowledge and be
> thrown
> > back in his face, forcing him either to
> acknowledge
> > their validity and thereby confront America's
> racism
> > head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks
> still
> > have to face every day?
> > 
> > Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's
> part
> > is enough to cast serious doubt on his
> qualifications
> > to be president. He thought he could sneak through
> the
> > minefield of race when he himself was responsible
> for
> > planting the bomb that has now blown up in his
> face.
> > 
> > The awful reality of racism in America can't be
> made
> > less tragic by pretending it doesn't exist.
> >
> 
> 
> 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Marek Reavis
Wow, it astounds me, Judy, that after correctly identifying the two 
horns of the dilemna that Obama has to face, you argue with a 
straight face that this is indicative of Obama's lack of judgment 
(and, therefore and necessarily, an indication of his not having 
crossed the commander-in-chief threshold).

"He thought he could sneak through the minefield of race when he 
himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has now blown up 
in his face."

"...when he himself was responsible for planting the bomb that has 
now blown up in his face."  What an extraordinary vile, barely 
subliminal reference to terrorist suicide bombers.  

And it's all about *his* lack of judgment.

Astounding.  Truly astounding.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African 
> > American for all I know, though I doubt it.  However, if you
> > have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition
> > of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable
> > view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger
> > with the racism that is still endemic in this country.  And
> > Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every
> > intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is
> > more understandable.
> 
> Marek, the trouble is that few white voters in this
> country *have* had "first-hand experience with the
> chronic condition of being Black in America," and a
> lot of them are going to react exactly as Shemp does.
> 
> So Shemp is quite right to say Wright's tirade is
> a BIG problem for Obama.
> 
> Moreover, it demolishes the notion that Obama is a
> "post-racial" candidate. If he denounces what his
> pastor said, he's denying the validity of the very
> complaints that you're arguing are fully justified.
> And if he defends Wright's remarks, then he's 
> thrusting the matter of his race front and center
> in the campaign.
> 
> How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to
> his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct
> a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue
> is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's
> tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown
> back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge
> their validity and thereby confront America's racism
> head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still
> have to face every day?
> 
> Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part
> is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications
> to be president. He thought he could sneak through the
> minefield of race when he himself was responsible for
> planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face.
> 
> The awful reality of racism in America can't be made
> less tragic by pretending it doesn't exist.
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Marek Reavis
Shemp, thanks for the reply, and I share the concern you express that 
anything and everything will be used against Obama, first by Clinton 
and, should he prevail, by the Republicans.

My buttons rarely get pressed, but my experiences have deeply 
impressed on me the terrible effects of racism and prejudice, and if 
I've unfairly painted you with that brush (and your reply shows me 
that I have), I sincerely apologize.  

I wouldn't characterize Obama's candidacy and support for it as 
Affirmative Action per se, so much as simply an Affirmation that's 
rising from many good hearts that we can be better than we've been, 
that we can be more alert to the true dangers that confront us and 
more responsive to the intelligent solutions that are available to us.

Six months ago, I didn't think we had this opportunity, and I agree 
with you that he may fail and that the forces of status quo will 
prevail.  But then again, I'm a public defender who's used to 
swimming upstream with nothing but dams ahead, and no fish ladders to 
circumvent them.  

Edg's trikking has nothing on tilting at windmills for real exercise.

Shemp, thanks for your contributions here.

Marek

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Marek, 
> 
> If the American electorate was as tolerate and kind hearted as you 
> are and shared even 10% of your worldview and experience then, yes, 
I 
> would agree with your well-reasoned and virtuous assessment below.
> 
> But they don't.
> 
> And Hillary and the Democratic Party realize this and know that 
this 
> Minister Wright episode is beyond any justification to continue 
with 
> what we all know (but don't necessary speak of in public) as this 
> exercise in ultimate Affirmative Action that is the Barack Obama 
> presidential run.
> 
> Support him all you want if it makes you feel good.  He just won't 
be 
> president.  And if you insist upon him becoming the nominee, you'll 
> be stuck with another Republican for 4 years.  Is that what you 
want?
> 
> Hell, you guys can self-destruct all you want.  It's not my 
country...
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African 
> > American for all I know, though I doubt it.  However, if you have 
> > ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of 
being 
> > Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any 
> Black 
> > American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that 
> is 
> > still endemic in this country.  And Barack Obama's unwillingness 
to 
> > condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a 
> > lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable.
> > 
> > I'm privileged to work in the criminal justice system, at the 
same 
> > time I'm constantly reminded of just how little justice is 
afforded 
> > to a black as opposed to a white.  Injustice is fundamental and 
> it's 
> > ubiquitous.
> > 
> > A case in point (and only one in a legion of examples): a couple 
of 
> > years ago I was appointed to represent a young black man from LA; 
> he 
> > was the co-defendant in a drug case involving a significant 
amount 
> of 
> > cocaine and there was a gun involved, too.  The co-defendant was 
a 
> > young woman who lived here in Humboldt and her family had hired 
an 
> > excellent and expensive private attorney.
> > 
> > After arraignment, a criminal defendant can request the Court to 
> > release him/her on their own recognisance, or if the Court isn't 
> > inclined to do that, to reduce their bail.  In my client's 
matter, 
> > the Court refused both requests, but granted the co-defendant's 
> > motion to be released on her own recognisance, providing only 
that 
> > she be sure to come back to court when ordered to do so and obey 
> all 
> > laws.
> > 
> > In his pitch to the judge asking for her release, the attorney 
for 
> > the young white woman spoke openly about the fact that my client 
> was 
> > from LA, a stranger to this county, and plainly insinuated that 
he 
> > was the nefarious, dark influence that had corrupted this young 
> > woman, and had even gotten her pregnant.  He played up, and on, 
all 
> > the fears of LA gangs and drugs and violence being imported into 
> > Humboldt by this (black) gangster.
> > 
> > However, the facts were plain, and were pointed out to the Court 
> > clearly: my client had come up to visit his girlfriend from LA, 
he 
> > had just arrived on the bus, and his bags were still unpacked in 
> her 
> > apartment.  It was the white girl who had the ongoing drug 
> operation 
> > with all the indicia present both at her apartment and on her 
> person, 
> > the money, the packaged drugs, the gun, the bookkeeping records --
 
> > everything. It was the white girl who had been stopped by the 
> police 
> > while driving alone and in possession of cocaine packaged for 
sale 
> > and a loaded gun in her purse; my clien

[FairfieldLife] Seatbelt Week in FF

2008-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
HI Friends

This week is 'seatbelt week' around FF. Bhumi got stopped on B Street 
near the cemetery and was given a warning. The patrolman said the 
department will be issuing citations all week. (Why didn't i get a 
warning last summer???)

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Angela Mailander
Judy (snipped):
How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to
his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct
a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue
is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's
tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown
back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge
their validity and thereby confront America's racism
head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still
have to face every day?

Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part
is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications
to be president. He thought he could sneak through the
minefield of race when he himself was responsible for
planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face.

Me:  In the first paragraph of yours that I've quoted,
you ask a bunch of rhetorical questions.  In the
second paragraph you assume that these questions have
been answered to the detriment of Obama.  But do you
really know that Obama is as unaware and as lacking in
judgment as you claim he is?  You have presented no
evidence.  Your rhetorical questions are not evidence.
 

  



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Louis McKenzie
Obama just has to get whites who support him to come out and address these 
issues from the point of view of a supporter.   
   
  Thank God the only things they can come up with are what other people have 
done and said.   Bill CLinton won the election in 92 with Jennifer Flowers 
being about him not about what someone else did.   He won in 1996 with Monica 
Lewinsky and his moral judgement being major issues about HIM not about his 
minister.   Barak should be held accountable to the same standar that we hold 
whites.   However if it was ok for Blacks to have self empowerment yesterday it 
should not change just because one of them has had the audacity to challenge a 
truth that has absolutely no basis in reality.   It is true that there has 
never been an African American elected to President of the UNited States.   Yet 
he has challenged that in part due to the Esteem he may have aquired in his 
church.  

authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
wrote:
>
> Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African 
> American for all I know, though I doubt it. However, if you
> have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition
> of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable
> view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger
> with the racism that is still endemic in this country. And
> Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every
> intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is
> more understandable.

Marek, the trouble is that few white voters in this
country *have* had "first-hand experience with the
chronic condition of being Black in America," and a
lot of them are going to react exactly as Shemp does.

So Shemp is quite right to say Wright's tirade is
a BIG problem for Obama.

Moreover, it demolishes the notion that Obama is a
"post-racial" candidate. If he denounces what his
pastor said, he's denying the validity of the very
complaints that you're arguing are fully justified.
And if he defends Wright's remarks, then he's 
thrusting the matter of his race front and center
in the campaign.

How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to
his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct
a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue
is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's
tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown
back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge
their validity and thereby confront America's racism
head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still
have to face every day?

Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part
is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications
to be president. He thought he could sneak through the
minefield of race when he himself was responsible for
planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face.

The awful reality of racism in America can't be made
less tragic by pretending it doesn't exist.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Angela Mailander
Right on Dove.  Add to this the fact that many young
black men in a ghetto have a basic choice:  work for
less than minimum wage or deal drugs.  When i was
teaching in the black community, under the first bush,
many, many parents asked me, "Why is Bush bringing in
drugs for our children?"  And he was.  The guy
overseeing that operation was Theodore Shaklee who was
also behind the Iran-Contra affair--Olly was just the
fall-guy.

What could I say to those parents, but the truth:  To
destroy your community.

As for the AIDS virus, I do not know the facts, but it
is rumored widely in the world that it was
bio-engineered by America to depopulate Africa.  In
China, everyone I knew believed a Russian scientist
who claimed that the SARS virus was bio-engineered. 
Who would have done that was the immediate question.  
And "America" was the immediate answer.  I haven't
researched this as I have other crimes, but it would
fit the general M.O. and the ever-present motive.  

  
--- Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Shemp,
> 
> I think that most of the folks here agree with me.
> 
> My blurbs about the sermons below in blue font.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > If the facts in this article are true, not only
> will he not be
> > elected president, he won't get the nomination
> REGARDLESS of how many
> > delegates he has.
> >
> > -
> >
> > from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub
> >
> > OPINION
> >
> >
> > Obama and the Minister
> > By RONALD KESSLER
> > March 14, 2008; Page A19
> >
> > In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack
> Obama's longtime
> > minister, friend and adviser blamed America for
> starting the AIDS
> > virus,
> 
> This may not be true, but given the criminal
> operations of the FDA, I
> cannot rule out that the experiments in injecting
> people with monkey pus
> are scientific or capitalistic.  I'm leaning towards
> capitalistic.
> 
> training professional killers,
> 
> The Blackwater Army is one example, as are the
> heinous acts of torture
> by our troops, and shooting down in cold blood a
> black man on his steps
> by a gang of police shooting dozens of bullets at an
> UNARMED MAN.  Deny
> these things, and you'll just be "Shemp doing that
> shit again" to most
> here.
> 
> importing drugs
> 
> The opium growers of Afghanistan are openly
> acknowledged by BushCo as
> "necessary evils" to insure that we don't have to
> fight these warlords
> while searching of Bin Laden.  And this is a old old
> story -- the poppy
> fields are never sprayed with poison by a quick
> strike from America for
> instance.
> 
> and creating a
> > racist society that would never elect a black
> candidate president.
> 
> When I was raised, my childhood history books never
> showed dead blacks
> in nooses, dead Native Americans, etc., nor was I
> ever prompted to
> examine what was the state of racial relationships
> in America.  It took
> me DECADES to undo what my school, my parents, and
> my society did to
> empower me to hate black folks and feel superior. 
> Read one modern book
> about Black History and you will have all the proof
> of state-sanctioned
> jackboots on the backs of African Americans' necks.
> 
> >
> > The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr.
> Obama's Trinity United
> > Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at
> the school's Andrew
> > Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15,
> 2006.
> >
> >
> > Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News
> Service
> > Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright
> > "We've got more black men in prison than there are
> in college," he
> > began.
> 
> This was easy for white America to arrange via
> Makek's example recently
> posted and by the drug laws.  There can be no
> question regarding the
> unfairness of how the courts treat black folks.
> 
> "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this
> country was
> > founded and how this country is still run.
> 
> This is absolute truth.
> 
> No black man will ever be
> > considered for president, no matter how hard you
> run Jesse [Jackson]
> > and no black woman can ever be considered for
> anything outside what
> > she can give with her body."
> 
> Well, here he's wrong since Obama looks like he
> might pull it off.  I
> think we have to thank BushCo for being so obviously
> criminal that to
> white Americans, even a black Muslim seems a change
> for the better.
> 
> >
> > Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No.
> 1 killer in the
> > world. . . .
> 
> So fucking true.
> 
> We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs,
> the
> > exporting of guns, and the training of
> professional killers . . .
> 
> True.
> 
> We
> > bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women
> and children while
> > trying to get public opinion turned against Castro
> and Ghadhafi . . .
> 
> True.
> 
> > We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported
> apartheid the whole
> > 27 years he was 

[FairfieldLife] What happens when a Windows developer gets a Mac?

2008-03-14 Thread Vaj
http://www.davidalison.com/2008/02/hardcore-windows-guy-switches-to- 
mac.html


What happens when a Windows developer gets a Mac?

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African 
> American for all I know, though I doubt it.  However, if you
> have ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition
> of being Black in America, you would have a more charitable
> view of any Black American's frustration and fundamental anger
> with the racism that is still endemic in this country.  And
> Barack Obama's unwillingness to condemn his minister for every
> intemperate remark, posited from a lifetime of prejudice, is
> more understandable.

Marek, the trouble is that few white voters in this
country *have* had "first-hand experience with the
chronic condition of being Black in America," and a
lot of them are going to react exactly as Shemp does.

So Shemp is quite right to say Wright's tirade is
a BIG problem for Obama.

Moreover, it demolishes the notion that Obama is a
"post-racial" candidate. If he denounces what his
pastor said, he's denying the validity of the very
complaints that you're arguing are fully justified.
And if he defends Wright's remarks, then he's 
thrusting the matter of his race front and center
in the campaign.

How Obama ever imagined he could sit and listen to
his pastor's sermons for 20 years and still conduct
a campaign in which his race wouldn't become an issue
is a huge mystery. How could he not realize Wright's
tirades would become public knowledge and be thrown
back in his face, forcing him either to acknowledge
their validity and thereby confront America's racism
head-on, or to reject them and deny what blacks still
have to face every day?

Just this appalling lack of judgment on Obama's part
is enough to cast serious doubt on his qualifications
to be president. He thought he could sneak through the
minefield of race when he himself was responsible for
planting the bomb that has now blown up in his face.

The awful reality of racism in America can't be made
less tragic by pretending it doesn't exist.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Louis McKenzie
Shemp I agree with you 100%

Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Shemp,

I think that most of the folks here agree with me.

My blurbs about the sermons below in blue font.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be 
> elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many 
> delegates he has.
> 
> -
> 
> from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub
> 
> OPINION 
> 
> 
> Obama and the Minister
> By RONALD KESSLER
> March 14, 2008; Page A19
> 
> In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime 
> minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS 
> virus, 

This may not be true, but given the criminal operations of the FDA, I cannot 
rule out that the experiments in injecting people with monkey pus are 
scientific or capitalistic.  I'm leaning towards capitalistic.

training professional killers, 

The Blackwater Army is one example, as are the heinous acts of torture by our 
troops, and shooting down in cold blood a black man on his steps by a gang of 
police shooting dozens of bullets at an UNARMED MAN.  Deny these things, and 
you'll just be "Shemp doing that shit again" to most here.

importing drugs 

The opium growers of Afghanistan are openly acknowledged by BushCo as 
"necessary evils" to insure that we don't have to fight these warlords while 
searching of Bin Laden.  And this is a old old story -- the poppy fields are 
never sprayed with poison by a quick strike from America for instance.

and creating a 
> racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.

When I was raised, my childhood history books never showed dead blacks in 
nooses, dead Native Americans, etc., nor was I ever prompted to examine what 
was the state of racial relationships in America.  It took me DECADES to undo 
what my school, my parents, and my society did to empower me to hate black 
folks and feel superior.  Read one modern book about Black History and you will 
have all the proof of state-sanctioned jackboots on the backs of African 
Americans' necks.

> 
> The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United 
> Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew 
> Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.
> 
> 
> Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service 
> Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright 
> "We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he 
> began. 

This was easy for white America to arrange via Makek's example recently posted 
and by the drug laws.  There can be no question regarding the unfairness of how 
the courts treat black folks.

"Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was 
> founded and how this country is still run. 

This is absolute truth.

No black man will ever be 
> considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] 
> and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what 
> she can give with her body."

Well, here he's wrong since Obama looks like he might pull it off.  I think we 
have to thank BushCo for being so obviously criminal that to white Americans, 
even a black Muslim seems a change for the better.

> 
> Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in the 
> world. . . . 

So fucking true.

We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the 
> exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . 

True.

We 
> bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while 
> trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . 

True.

> We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 
> 27 years he was there. 

Don't know if America had any direct involvement in Mandela's imprisonment, but 
we sure didn't make it a political issue when dealing with the white racist 
government that jailed him.

We believe in white supremacy and black 
> inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."

That's a very sad note that even black pride is being eroded -- or at the least 
black pride is being kept from fully emerging.

> 
> His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism shamelessly 
> while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out 
> against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . 

True.  We allow Israel to have a 100 nukes, but the Palestinians are shot down 
like dogs if they merely have a sneer on their faces.

We care nothing about human 
> life if the end justifies the means. . . ."

Raw, real, carnage is called patriotic when it is merely profiteering.
> 
> Concluding, Mr. Wright said: "We started the AIDS virus . . . We are 
> only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third 
> World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."

Very true.  25% of the world lives on less than a single dollar per day, and 
America hasn't done ja

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Angela Mailander
Right on, Marek.  Just to be born black in America is
tantamount to child abuse--you have to add nothing
else into the mix.  And yet, the mix inevitably gets
muddier since we know two interrelated things: 
1.  the abused take on the values of the abuser 
2.   child abuse tends to be passed on generation to
generation.

Even people who think they are not prejudiced suddenly
get that way, or they are unaware of their own
prejudices.  I saw this again and again with my black
daughter's teachers all through her schooling.  It was
subtle and therefore powerful.  It was daily and it
wore her down.  It was heartbreaking to watch her kind
of give up on herself because of it and deny her own
intelligence and inborn talent.  And it wasn't just
the teachers.  She was surrounded by white boys who
openly saw her as "dark meat" to be tasted for the
hell of it.  

I remember a situation in which I was teaching eighth
grade in a town in which another young black man
allegedly committed suicide in the town jail every
other week.  The school had a "track program."  Track
one was for A students and all of them were white. 
Track two was for B students and all of them were
white.  Track three was for C students and all of them
were white.  

I taught a track four eighth grade class and had a
student who was absolutely brilliant.  I told the
principal she belonged in a track one class.  He
refused on the grounds that she wasn't intelligent
enough.  I arranged to have a paper of hers passed off
as a freshman writing assignment in college.  The
paper got an A+ and raves from the professor.  When I
presented this evidence to the principal, he put her
in one of my track two classes, but she begged to be
put back in the other class after a week because she
couldn't take the abuse she got from the white kids
and from her other teachers who were all white.

When she was ready to go to college, I asked what she
would want to do professionally, and she said she
might try for nurse's aide.  I said, "Sandy, you'd do
well in anybody medical school."  But she could not
bring herself to go for it after twelve years of white
schooling had beaten her down.  

My first husband had risked his life to help integrate
restaurants in Lousiville, Ky in the early sixties. 
When, in the early seventies and after our divorce I
dated a black man, he sued me for custody of our
daughter because he could not bear the thought of a
black step-daddy for her.  My lawyer told me he'd win
and advised me to run to another state and hide.  "Let
him find you and then let him extradite you," he said.
 

It is difficult to imagine how racist America is until
you see the thing daily.   

I agree completely that compassion is part and parcel
of enlightenment.  Compassion is understanding.  

 



--- Marek Reavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may
> be African 
> American for all I know, though I doubt it. 
> However, if you have 
> ever had first-hand experience with the chronic
> condition of being 
> Black in America, you would have a more charitable
> view of any Black 
> American's frustration and fundamental anger with
> the racism that is 
> still endemic in this country.  And Barack Obama's
> unwillingness to 
> condemn his minister for every intemperate remark,
> posited from a 
> lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable.
> 
> I'm privileged to work in the criminal justice
> system, at the same 
> time I'm constantly reminded of just how little
> justice is afforded 
> to a black as opposed to a white.  Injustice is
> fundamental and it's 
> ubiquitous.
> 
> A case in point (and only one in a legion of
> examples): a couple of 
> years ago I was appointed to represent a young black
> man from LA; he 
> was the co-defendant in a drug case involving a
> significant amount of 
> cocaine and there was a gun involved, too.  The
> co-defendant was a 
> young woman who lived here in Humboldt and her
> family had hired an 
> excellent and expensive private attorney.
> 
> After arraignment, a criminal defendant can request
> the Court to 
> release him/her on their own recognisance, or if the
> Court isn't 
> inclined to do that, to reduce their bail.  In my
> client's matter, 
> the Court refused both requests, but granted the
> co-defendant's 
> motion to be released on her own recognisance,
> providing only that 
> she be sure to come back to court when ordered to do
> so and obey all 
> laws.
> 
> In his pitch to the judge asking for her release,
> the attorney for 
> the young white woman spoke openly about the fact
> that my client was 
> from LA, a stranger to this county, and plainly
> insinuated that he 
> was the nefarious, dark influence that had corrupted
> this young 
> woman, and had even gotten her pregnant.  He played
> up, and on, all 
> the fears of LA gangs and drugs and violence being
> imported into 
> Humboldt by this (black) gangster.
> 
> However, the facts were plain, and were pointed out
> to 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Nandikeeshore should be the Guru after MMY!

2008-03-14 Thread Bo Levander
Hi Zoran and other thinkers,
   
  Many of your observations are good but I think there are not only two 
movements within the TMO - there are many and they will manifest as the days go 
by.
   
  Re money going into India from the west: That is probably true but the real 
question is where do the money go in India? To projects or into certain 
people's pockets? Well, we may never know. It depends on who has access to the 
accounts. And we can only guess.
   
  I percieve Nandkeeshore as a representative of the spiritual aspect of the 
movement. He is a yogi whereas the other people are administrators, 
organizational power-freaks or clowns dressed in robes and crowns. If N was on 
top of it might attract some good people (like myself... ho ho) back into the 
movement.
   
  Love to all
  BL

Zoran Krneta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  There are two movements in the movement:
  American/European one (rajas) and Indian one (Maharishi's family - 
Shrivastavas, Girish Varma, Nand Kishore etc.)
  Maaharishi's family has shown during funeral who is with them and whom they 
are supporting.
   
  Indian part of movement was always dragging money from westerners and 
spending it in India on various things.
  They are expecting that this will continue, but Maharishi is not there any 
more to collect such amounts from westerners and forward it to India.
  Confrontation between those two "movements" is inevitable.
   
  In that light you should analyze this suggestion that Nand Kishore should be 
Maaharishi's successor.

  

   

   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's over for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Louis McKenzie
The First Amendement applies to what?   THere is only one truth that he says 
that I hope has changed.  Even from 2006 to 2008 change is possible so I pray 
that the fact that AMerica would never elect and African AMerican President is 
not true.  That in this time it can and will.

Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Funny, but I support Obama's preacher's 
words almost to the letter.

And, given that for the first time in history we have an African
American man as a possible candidate who has an actual chance to win
the nom, I'd say that a hell of a lot of whites -- look at Bush's
approval ratings -- are able to see the United States for the war
mongering, war profiteering, private criminal enterprise that BushCo
has created, and that Obama's preacher is just saying it like it is.

If you want to stomp on Obama, here's some real meat and potatoes: 
consider his possible harmony with the goals of the Council of Foreign
Relations. He may be listening to his preacher, but it seems he's
being tutored by the CFR too. Don't know for sure; read this:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/150807CFR.htm

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Ed" wrote:
> >
> > Politicians have used this trick forever. Tie a lead to the 
> > statements of someone who supports him and drag them along in the 
> > dirt til they stop movin. Too bad the Dems didn't tie Bush to the 
> > Klan or the Father of the Killers of Ryan White in Laramie 
> > WY.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The big difference here, Mr. Ed, is that Bush wasn't a member of the 
> Klan nor was he associated with the killers of Ryan White.
> 
> Obama is not just associated with Wright, he has been a very 
> instrumental part of his life for the past 20 years apparently.
> 
> And, no, it's simply NOT going to be enough to say: I disassociate 
> myself from Wright and his remarks. For goodness sake's, Obama has 
> been going to this guy's Church for so, so many years. This reflects 
> on his judgement in a way that so seriously calls into question his 
> ability to be president if he could go to such a man's church for so 
> long and have such an influence on his life (according to Obama 
> himself).
> 
> The Democratic Party simply will NOT let this stand. I would even 
> suspect that many, many committed Obama delegates won't vote for him 
> at the convention.
> 
> He's toast and Hillary is the candidate.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > ...Might not have helped. Like the Greeks once noted---what 
> > good is Democracy if your bread n circus oriented populace is 
> largely 
> > happily uniformed.
> > 
> > The Right is watching the Hillary/Barack War and diggin it. I worry 
> > those precious few who haven't already made up their minds might 
> > start seeing those 'Solid Republican's' and see safety from the 
> chaos 
> > of the volatile, multifarious democratsand now I'm 
> > pontificating...anyhoo.I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- In 
> > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" wrote:
> > >
> > > If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be 
> > > elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how 
> > many 
> > > delegates he has.
> > > 
> > > -
> > > 
> > > from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub
> > > 
> > > OPINION 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Obama and the Minister
> > > By RONALD KESSLER
> > > March 14, 2008; Page A19
> > > 
> > > In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's 
> longtime 
> > > minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS 
> > > virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and 
> creating 
> > a 
> > > racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.
> > > 
> > > The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity 
> > United 
> > > Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's 
> Andrew 
> > > Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service 
> > > Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright 
> > > "We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," 
> he 
> > > began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was 
> > > founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever 
> > be 
> > > considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse 
> > [Jackson] 
> > > and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside 
> what 
> > > she can give with her body."
> > > 
> > > Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in 
> the 
> > > world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, 
> the 
> > > exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . 
> > We 
> > > bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children 
> > while 
> > > trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and 
> > Ghadhafi . . . 
> > > We put [Nels

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Louis McKenzie
How many American agree with minister Wright?  How many people in this chat 
room agree with him?  
   
  I may not agree 100% but I agree with about 95% of what he says in the 
printed speach.   Do I think George Bush conspired to and helped to plan 9/11 
YES.   
   
  Do I think AMerica iver supports Israel and under support any of the other 
countries of that region YES.  
   
  DO I think that African American people need self empowerment?  YES is that 
the same as saying WHITE EMPOWERMENT no not at all, why? Because African 
AMerican's have had to come back from and reprogram the effect of Slavery and 
the Jim Crow South WHite americans have not.   The people who spoke about White 
Empowerment in the US have done so at the expense of others.
   
  Particularly the American Black men and women.   The Slave The Nigger and the 
fact that this is the case calls for stronger languages from African AMericans. 
  
   
  Is the African American correct in claiming that the WHite AMerican is 
Racist.   As a general statement it is as correct as the Jew saying that ALl 
Natzis hate Jews.
   
  When whipping is a trained behavior and not a obtained one it should be easy 
to understand why some one might say the Empowerment of ourselves as Africans 
in America.  
   
  How many people here are sick of movies about the Holocaust?I am yet for 
Jews they will make a new movie every year about it in order to make sure that 
it does not happen again.  Yet for a Black man to discuss the racism, torture 
and absolute insanity of the American SLave trade this is considered reverse 
racism.  
   
  There is genetically engineered food, animals given all kinds of drugs 
hormones and othe chemicals, water with drugs in it.   Why would anyone find it 
antagonistic for someone to think the US manufactured the Aids Virus?
   
  In 2001 George Bush either allowed or enacted the attacks of 9/11 which 
killed more than 3000 people.   He attacked Afganistan and in 2003 attacked 
Iraq and neither country, neither attack has lead to the capture of the person 
they claim /US GOV caused 9/11.  So why is it a problem for the man to state 
the truth.
   
  AM I anti Semetic? NO but am I anti monopolization of the banking system ? 
Yes, DO I feel like Israel is truly the land of Jews ? only because some body 
said so.

  So why is this a problem Has anyone here ever used or Heard the word 
Schwartza?   Have AIonist ever done anything questionable?  Is any kind of 
Manipulative monopolization a problem I believe YES A BIG PROBLEM  Is this anti 
Semetic?  I believe not.  It is like saying no I do not want you to pull my 
pants down and put that butter on my A-hole does that make me some negative 
radical element?  I hope not.
Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  every church has a freaky pastor - that's why I stay away from those
places.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
wrote:
>
> If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be 
> elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many 
> delegates he has.
> 
> -
> 
> from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub
> 
> OPINION 
> 
> 
> Obama and the Minister
> By RONALD KESSLER
> March 14, 2008; Page A19
> 
> In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime 
> minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS 
> virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a 
> racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.
> 
> The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United 
> Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew 
> Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.
> 
> 
> Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service 
> Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright 
> "We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he 
> began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was 
> founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be 
> considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] 
> and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what 
> she can give with her body."
> 
> Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in the 
> world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the 
> exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We 
> bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while 
> trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . 
> We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 
> 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black 
> inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."
> 
> His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism shamelessly 
> while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out 
> against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care no

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Duveyoung
Shemp,

I think that most of the folks here agree with me.

My blurbs about the sermons below in blue font.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be
> elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many
> delegates he has.
>
> -
>
> from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub
>
> OPINION
>
>
> Obama and the Minister
> By RONALD KESSLER
> March 14, 2008; Page A19
>
> In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime
> minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS
> virus,

This may not be true, but given the criminal operations of the FDA, I
cannot rule out that the experiments in injecting people with monkey pus
are scientific or capitalistic.  I'm leaning towards capitalistic.

training professional killers,

The Blackwater Army is one example, as are the heinous acts of torture
by our troops, and shooting down in cold blood a black man on his steps
by a gang of police shooting dozens of bullets at an UNARMED MAN.  Deny
these things, and you'll just be "Shemp doing that shit again" to most
here.

importing drugs

The opium growers of Afghanistan are openly acknowledged by BushCo as
"necessary evils" to insure that we don't have to fight these warlords
while searching of Bin Laden.  And this is a old old story -- the poppy
fields are never sprayed with poison by a quick strike from America for
instance.

and creating a
> racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.

When I was raised, my childhood history books never showed dead blacks
in nooses, dead Native Americans, etc., nor was I ever prompted to
examine what was the state of racial relationships in America.  It took
me DECADES to undo what my school, my parents, and my society did to
empower me to hate black folks and feel superior.  Read one modern book
about Black History and you will have all the proof of state-sanctioned
jackboots on the backs of African Americans' necks.

>
> The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United
> Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew
> Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.
>
>
> Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service
> Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright
> "We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he
> began.

This was easy for white America to arrange via Makek's example recently
posted and by the drug laws.  There can be no question regarding the
unfairness of how the courts treat black folks.

"Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was
> founded and how this country is still run.

This is absolute truth.

No black man will ever be
> considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson]
> and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what
> she can give with her body."

Well, here he's wrong since Obama looks like he might pull it off.  I
think we have to thank BushCo for being so obviously criminal that to
white Americans, even a black Muslim seems a change for the better.

>
> Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in the
> world. . . .

So fucking true.

We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the
> exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . .

True.

We
> bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while
> trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . .

True.

> We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole
> 27 years he was there.

Don't know if America had any direct involvement in Mandela's
imprisonment, but we sure didn't make it a political issue when dealing
with the white racist government that jailed him.

We believe in white supremacy and black
> inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."

That's a very sad note that even black pride is being eroded -- or at
the least black pride is being kept from fully emerging.

>
> His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism shamelessly
> while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out
> against it as being anti-Semitic. . . .

True.  We allow Israel to have a 100 nukes, but the Palestinians are
shot down like dogs if they merely have a sneer on their faces.

We care nothing about human
> life if the end justifies the means. . . ."

Raw, real, carnage is called patriotic when it is merely profiteering.
>
> Concluding, Mr. Wright said: "We started the AIDS virus . . . We are
> only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third
> World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."

Very true.  25% of the world lives on less than a single dollar per day,
and America hasn't done jackshit to assuage it except for propaganda
purposes to show that white Americans have heart.
>
> Considering this view of America, it's not surpri

[FairfieldLife] Re: Video of TM Residence Course at the Outer Banks of NC

2008-03-14 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jwtrowbridge"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Howdy,
> Here is a link to a residence course at the Outer Banks of NC. My 
> wife and I were cooks. The video is from the cooks point of view.
> Steve
> 
> http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2185415/6917737
>
Can you tell me about the nuts and bolts of these resident courses?  
This looks like a nice way to spend the weekend with like minded people.

What do they cost?  How are they advertised? Was that a private home?
Do you need to be a certain level in the org?

s.






[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
Marek, 

If the American electorate was as tolerate and kind hearted as you 
are and shared even 10% of your worldview and experience then, yes, I 
would agree with your well-reasoned and virtuous assessment below.

But they don't.

And Hillary and the Democratic Party realize this and know that this 
Minister Wright episode is beyond any justification to continue with 
what we all know (but don't necessary speak of in public) as this 
exercise in ultimate Affirmative Action that is the Barack Obama 
presidential run.

Support him all you want if it makes you feel good.  He just won't be 
president.  And if you insist upon him becoming the nominee, you'll 
be stuck with another Republican for 4 years.  Is that what you want?

Hell, you guys can self-destruct all you want.  It's not my country...


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African 
> American for all I know, though I doubt it.  However, if you have 
> ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being 
> Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any 
Black 
> American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that 
is 
> still endemic in this country.  And Barack Obama's unwillingness to 
> condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a 
> lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable.
> 
> I'm privileged to work in the criminal justice system, at the same 
> time I'm constantly reminded of just how little justice is afforded 
> to a black as opposed to a white.  Injustice is fundamental and 
it's 
> ubiquitous.
> 
> A case in point (and only one in a legion of examples): a couple of 
> years ago I was appointed to represent a young black man from LA; 
he 
> was the co-defendant in a drug case involving a significant amount 
of 
> cocaine and there was a gun involved, too.  The co-defendant was a 
> young woman who lived here in Humboldt and her family had hired an 
> excellent and expensive private attorney.
> 
> After arraignment, a criminal defendant can request the Court to 
> release him/her on their own recognisance, or if the Court isn't 
> inclined to do that, to reduce their bail.  In my client's matter, 
> the Court refused both requests, but granted the co-defendant's 
> motion to be released on her own recognisance, providing only that 
> she be sure to come back to court when ordered to do so and obey 
all 
> laws.
> 
> In his pitch to the judge asking for her release, the attorney for 
> the young white woman spoke openly about the fact that my client 
was 
> from LA, a stranger to this county, and plainly insinuated that he 
> was the nefarious, dark influence that had corrupted this young 
> woman, and had even gotten her pregnant.  He played up, and on, all 
> the fears of LA gangs and drugs and violence being imported into 
> Humboldt by this (black) gangster.
> 
> However, the facts were plain, and were pointed out to the Court 
> clearly: my client had come up to visit his girlfriend from LA, he 
> had just arrived on the bus, and his bags were still unpacked in 
her 
> apartment.  It was the white girl who had the ongoing drug 
operation 
> with all the indicia present both at her apartment and on her 
person, 
> the money, the packaged drugs, the gun, the bookkeeping records -- 
> everything. It was the white girl who had been stopped by the 
police 
> while driving alone and in possession of cocaine packaged for sale 
> and a loaded gun in her purse; my client was picked up several 
hours 
> later and not even in the apartment where she had the rest of her 
> operation.  He had nothing on him to tie him to the crimes charged, 
> except he was black man from LA.
> 
> He had to bail out -- had to spend about $5000 to be released 
(money 
> that is gone for good, never to get back) -- and the charges were 
> later dropped against him because the facts were clear -- he had 
done 
> nothing wrong.  And this is just one example of a constant reality 
if 
> you're black in America.
> 
> A dear friend of mine, and a former girlfriend, a lawyer as well as 
a 
> psychiatric nurse, and who is a dark skinned black, was married to 
a 
> white man and lived in Southern California.  One evening, less than 
> 10 years ago, she was visiting with her husband's parents and, 
after 
> a pleasant dinner, she walked with them to a light rail station to 
> see them off as they were going back to their hotel.  They stood 
and 
> chatted in the balmy evening air for several minutes, waiting for 
> their train to arrive and after they left, and as she was turning 
to 
> walk away, she was accosted by two police officers and arrested for 
> solicitation of prositution -- purely on the basis that she was a 
> black woman speaking to a white couple and that 'fit' the profile 
of 
> a prostitute in the cops' eyes.  They didn't believe anything she 
> told them and she was booked and released

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: San Francisco to be sprayed with pesticide

2008-03-14 Thread Bhairitu
shempmcgurk wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>   
>> Out of curiousity, if this is a cover-up in order to spray humans 
>> 
> then why?
>
>
>
>
> Aren't there alot of gay people in San Franscisco?
>
> Perhaps Barfitu can come up with a conspiracy theory in which the 
> pesticide company is owned by fundamentalist Christians and that the 
> spray will remove the gayness from them.
Actually it is a spray that has already been applied to you that makes 
you think you are an ex-Canuck living in Phoenix reading a Yahoo Group 
called Fairfield Life when actually you are in a cage pushing a button 
to get fed.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs

2008-03-14 Thread Bhairitu
Rick Archer wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bhairitu
>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:53 PM
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Technical Question - Burning DVDs
>>
>> You need to convert the MPEG-4 file to MPEG-2 which is what some DVD
>> authoring software will do.  There are free programs that will do the
>> conversion but not the DVD authoring.  Some DVD players can play MPEG-4
>> files if you put them on a data DVD or CD or memory stick.  I don't
>> know
>> if you ever set up your network interface to your TV that you were
>> asking about a while back but some of those can play MPEG-4 files.
>>
>> 
> Haven’t set that up. Our player says on it that it plays MP3 and WMA. I'll
> try WillyTex's suggestion that I just drag the file to a DVD, and it that
> doesn't work, I'll try to find a conversion program. 
Those are audio file format.  Lots of players can play those.  Some can 
play Divx and WMV.  Fewer can play MPEG-4 files and of those probably 
only very recent can play MPEG-4 AVC which is probably the codec used 
(also used for the Sony PSP).  I may download the file and see since I 
have software that can tell me the codec.

DVDs are a specific format which require IFO files for the menu and 
playing information and VOB files which are the MPEG-2 files remuxed.   
So for a regular DVD it would have to be converted to create these 
files.  You might try the trial version of Ulead's DVD Movie Factory or 
their VideoStudio 11 Plus:
www.ulead.com




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[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of coulsong2001
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:11 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's 
future...
> 
>  
> 
> > Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's 
> often how he
> > comes across.
> > 
> > I thought he was German, because of his fanatical tendencies.
> 
> And I thought he was American because of his fondness for 
> stereotypes :-)
> 
> He's the Universal Soldier.

Very good Rick, finally we can agree on something :-)



[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Marek Reavis
Shemp, you are anonymous on this board, so you may be African 
American for all I know, though I doubt it.  However, if you have 
ever had first-hand experience with the chronic condition of being 
Black in America, you would have a more charitable view of any Black 
American's frustration and fundamental anger with the racism that is 
still endemic in this country.  And Barack Obama's unwillingness to 
condemn his minister for every intemperate remark, posited from a 
lifetime of prejudice, is more understandable.

I'm privileged to work in the criminal justice system, at the same 
time I'm constantly reminded of just how little justice is afforded 
to a black as opposed to a white.  Injustice is fundamental and it's 
ubiquitous.

A case in point (and only one in a legion of examples): a couple of 
years ago I was appointed to represent a young black man from LA; he 
was the co-defendant in a drug case involving a significant amount of 
cocaine and there was a gun involved, too.  The co-defendant was a 
young woman who lived here in Humboldt and her family had hired an 
excellent and expensive private attorney.

After arraignment, a criminal defendant can request the Court to 
release him/her on their own recognisance, or if the Court isn't 
inclined to do that, to reduce their bail.  In my client's matter, 
the Court refused both requests, but granted the co-defendant's 
motion to be released on her own recognisance, providing only that 
she be sure to come back to court when ordered to do so and obey all 
laws.

In his pitch to the judge asking for her release, the attorney for 
the young white woman spoke openly about the fact that my client was 
from LA, a stranger to this county, and plainly insinuated that he 
was the nefarious, dark influence that had corrupted this young 
woman, and had even gotten her pregnant.  He played up, and on, all 
the fears of LA gangs and drugs and violence being imported into 
Humboldt by this (black) gangster.

However, the facts were plain, and were pointed out to the Court 
clearly: my client had come up to visit his girlfriend from LA, he 
had just arrived on the bus, and his bags were still unpacked in her 
apartment.  It was the white girl who had the ongoing drug operation 
with all the indicia present both at her apartment and on her person, 
the money, the packaged drugs, the gun, the bookkeeping records -- 
everything. It was the white girl who had been stopped by the police 
while driving alone and in possession of cocaine packaged for sale 
and a loaded gun in her purse; my client was picked up several hours 
later and not even in the apartment where she had the rest of her 
operation.  He had nothing on him to tie him to the crimes charged, 
except he was black man from LA.

He had to bail out -- had to spend about $5000 to be released (money 
that is gone for good, never to get back) -- and the charges were 
later dropped against him because the facts were clear -- he had done 
nothing wrong.  And this is just one example of a constant reality if 
you're black in America.

A dear friend of mine, and a former girlfriend, a lawyer as well as a 
psychiatric nurse, and who is a dark skinned black, was married to a 
white man and lived in Southern California.  One evening, less than 
10 years ago, she was visiting with her husband's parents and, after 
a pleasant dinner, she walked with them to a light rail station to 
see them off as they were going back to their hotel.  They stood and 
chatted in the balmy evening air for several minutes, waiting for 
their train to arrive and after they left, and as she was turning to 
walk away, she was accosted by two police officers and arrested for 
solicitation of prositution -- purely on the basis that she was a 
black woman speaking to a white couple and that 'fit' the profile of 
a prostitute in the cops' eyes.  They didn't believe anything she 
told them and she was booked and released, and the case was later 
dropped after she hired a lawyer to represent her.  She wasn't a 
lawyer at the time, but it was the impetus to become one.

>From what you post (below) and from the way you express yourself and 
your position, it's apparent to me that you have no idea what it's 
like to be Black in America.  You can't even imagine how corrosive 
and how terrible it is to be faced with it every single day of your 
life, no matter what you've accomplished, no matter where you've been 
educated or how you've been raised.  I'm sure you've heard this type 
of position before, and perhaps you believe you understand it; but I 
don't believe that's true.

Compassion and the willingness to understand the suffering of others 
is a hallmark of "enlightenment" in my eyes and in my understanding.  
Please spend some time examining your willingness to discount 
centuries of persecution and imagine for a few moments what it would 
be like to have your soul be anonymous, no matter how hard you tried 
to reveal it; and to be judged and condem

[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Larry
every church has a freaky pastor - that's why I stay away from those
places.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be 
> elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many 
> delegates he has.
> 
> -
> 
> from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub
> 
> OPINION  
>   
> 
> Obama and the Minister
> By RONALD KESSLER
> March 14, 2008; Page A19
> 
> In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime 
> minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS 
> virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a 
> racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.
> 
> The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United 
> Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew 
> Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.
> 
>  
> Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service  
> Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright 
> "We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he 
> began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was 
> founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be 
> considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] 
> and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what 
> she can give with her body."
> 
> Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in the 
> world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the 
> exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We 
> bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while 
> trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . 
> We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 
> 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black 
> inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."
> 
> His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism shamelessly 
> while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out 
> against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human 
> life if the end justifies the means. . . ."
> 
> Concluding, Mr. Wright said: "We started the AIDS virus . . . We are 
> only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third 
> World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."
> 
> Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in 
> December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for 
> lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright 
> spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. "His depth on analysis 
> [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding 
> and eye-opening," Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. "He brings a 
> perspective that is helpful and honest."
> 
> After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, 
> Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main 
> point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. 
> Farrakhan, and that Mr. Wright's church was behind the award to the 
> Nation of Islam leader.
> 
> Instead, Mr. Obama said, "I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every 
> form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by 
> Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own 
> decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-
> offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree." Trumpet is 
> owned and produced by Mr. Wright's church out of the church's 
> offices, and Mr. Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive 
> editor.
> 
> Meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland on Feb. 24, Mr. Obama 
> described Mr. Wright as being like "an old uncle who sometimes will 
> say things that I don't agree with." He rarely mentions the points of 
> disagreement.
> 
> Mr. Obama went on to explain Mr. Wright's anti-Zionist statements as 
> being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state's support for South 
> Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with his previous 
> claim that his church gave the award to Mr. Farrakhan because of his 
> work with ex-offenders, Mr. Obama appears to have made that up.
> 
> Neither the presentation of the award nor the Trumpet article about 
> the award mentions ex-offenders, and Mr. Wright's statements 
> denouncing Israel have not been qualified in any way. Mr. Obama 
> nonetheless told the Jewish leaders that the award to Mr. 
> Farrakhan "showed a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish community." 
> That is an understatement.
> 
> As for Mr. Wright's repeated comments blaming America for the 9/11 
> attacks because of what Mr. Wright calls its racist and violent 
> policies, Mr. Obama has said it sounds as if the minister was trying 
> to be "provocative."
> 
> Hearing Mr. Wright's venomous and paranoid denu

[FairfieldLife] Re: It's over for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Funny, but I support Obama's preacher's words almost to the letter.

What better proof do the readers of FFL need to confirm my prediction 
that it is over for Obama: Duveyoung supports Obama's preacher "almost 
to the letter".

Yes, this is the ONLY demographic that will now support Obama: the 
Duveyoung Demographic, for lack of a better term.

And that is why the Democratic Party will do everything in its power to 
not allow Obama to ascend to the nomination.  It just can't if the only 
people to vote for him will be the Duveyoung's of the world (the 
nutcase demographic is 5% of the population at best).

It's a losing proposition.



[FairfieldLife] Hillary's been given a gift

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
It's not the Republicans that will take advantage of the Wright 
revelations because they'll never get a chance to.

Hillary and Team Clinton will.  And they'll use it BEFORE the 
convention to get delegates committed to Obama to change their minds.  
This thing is so huge that Team Clinton will use it in any way they can 
not to let Obama be the candidate and expose himself to this during a 
presidential election campaign.

This is the tool that the Clintons can use to peddle their influence in 
every way possible to unseat Obama AND not be accused of being 
usurpers.  This is the tool that the Clintons can use to instill the 
fear of God into all levels of the party...from Super Delegates to 
Howard Dean.

It's over for Obama.



[FairfieldLife] Re: It's over for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Duveyoung
Funny, but I support Obama's preacher's words almost to the letter.

And, given that for the first time in history we have an African
American man as a possible candidate who has an actual chance to win
the nom, I'd say that a hell of a lot of whites  -- look at Bush's
approval ratings -- are able to see the United States for the war
mongering, war profiteering, private criminal enterprise that BushCo
has created, and that Obama's preacher is just saying it like it is.

If you want to stomp on Obama, here's some real meat and potatoes: 
consider his possible harmony with the goals of the Council of Foreign
Relations.  He may be listening to his preacher, but it seems he's
being tutored by the CFR too.  Don't know for sure; read this:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/150807CFR.htm

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Ed"  wrote:
> >
> > Politicians have used this trick forever. Tie a lead to the 
> > statements of someone who supports him and drag them along in the 
> > dirt til they stop movin. Too bad the Dems didn't tie Bush to the 
> > Klan or the Father of the Killers of Ryan White in Laramie 
> > WY.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The big difference here, Mr. Ed, is that Bush wasn't a member of the 
> Klan nor was he associated with the killers of Ryan White.
> 
> Obama is not just associated with Wright, he has been a very 
> instrumental part of his life for the past 20 years apparently.
> 
> And, no, it's simply NOT going to be enough to say: I disassociate 
> myself from Wright and his remarks.  For goodness sake's, Obama has 
> been going to this guy's Church for so, so many years.  This reflects 
> on his judgement in a way that so seriously calls into question his 
> ability to be president if he could go to such a man's church for so 
> long and have such an influence on his life (according to Obama 
> himself).
> 
> The Democratic Party simply will NOT let this stand.  I would even 
> suspect that many, many committed Obama delegates won't vote for him 
> at the convention.
> 
> He's toast and Hillary is the candidate.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > ...Might not have helped. Like the Greeks once noted---what 
> > good is Democracy if your bread n circus oriented populace is 
> largely 
> > happily uniformed.
> > 
> > The Right is watching the Hillary/Barack War and diggin it. I worry 
> > those precious few who haven't already made up their minds might 
> > start seeing those 'Solid Republican's' and see safety from the 
> chaos 
> > of the volatile, multifarious democratsand now I'm 
> > pontificating...anyhoo.I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- In 
> > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> > >
> > > If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be 
> > > elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how 
> > many 
> > > delegates he has.
> > > 
> > > -
> > > 
> > > from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub
> > > 
> > > OPINION  
> > >   
> > > 
> > > Obama and the Minister
> > > By RONALD KESSLER
> > > March 14, 2008; Page A19
> > > 
> > > In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's 
> longtime 
> > > minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS 
> > > virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and 
> creating 
> > a 
> > > racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.
> > > 
> > > The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity 
> > United 
> > > Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's 
> Andrew 
> > > Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service  
> > > Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright 
> > > "We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," 
> he 
> > > began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was 
> > > founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever 
> > be 
> > > considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse 
> > [Jackson] 
> > > and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside 
> what 
> > > she can give with her body."
> > > 
> > > Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in 
> the 
> > > world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, 
> the 
> > > exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . 
> > We 
> > > bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children 
> > while 
> > > trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and 
> > Ghadhafi . . . 
> > > We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the 
> whole 
> > > 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black 
> > > inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."
> > > 
> > > His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism 
> > shamelessly 
> > > whil

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of coulsong2001
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:11 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

 

> Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's 
often how he
> comes across.
> 
> I thought he was German, because of his fanatical tendencies.

And I thought he was American because of his fondness for 
stereotypes :-)

He’s the Universal Soldier.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:34 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama
> 
>  
> 
> I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- 
> 
> Maybe we'll get him as VP.



If he's not too busy channelling dead babies before juries in order 
to hoodlink them into getting him 10s of millions of dollars in ill-
gotten lawyer fees...



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[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread coulsong2001
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Vaj
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:18 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's 
future...
> 
>  
> 
> On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP
> address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a 
Norwegian
> ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem!
> 
>  
> 
> Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's 
often how he
> comes across.
> 
> I thought he was German, because of his fanatical tendencies.

And I thought he was American because of his fondness for 
stereotypes :-)

Geoff



[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's already all over the news and doesn't seem to be getting much 
traction.
> Obama will probably have to distance himself further from the guy.



Not gonna work and I'll tell you why.

It's one thing to READ this Wright character's words, as we did in 
the article.

It's quite another to actually HEAR him say them, which I just did on 
a talk radio show.  It is truly frightening and far, FAR more 
impactful than the written word.  We're talking hate-mongering, Nazi, 
Klan-like raving.  And to have a president of the United States 
associated with this horrible stuff simply won't stand.

Questions about how Obama could have been in the same church as this 
guy let alone PREACH to him are going to arise and there is simply 
nothing he is going to be able to say to overcome it.

Democrats are thinking right now: if the Republicans put a slew of 
ads of this guy on TV or radio a week before the election, Obama 
won't even carry Illinois.

And this wouldn't be swift-boat stuff either.  It goes right to the 
heart of what has influenced Obama for years and his decision-making 
ability and all that.

This is devastating stuff.




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[FairfieldLife] It's over for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Politicians have used this trick forever. Tie a lead to the 
> statements of someone who supports him and drag them along in the 
> dirt til they stop movin. Too bad the Dems didn't tie Bush to the 
> Klan or the Father of the Killers of Ryan White in Laramie 
> WY.




The big difference here, Mr. Ed, is that Bush wasn't a member of the 
Klan nor was he associated with the killers of Ryan White.

Obama is not just associated with Wright, he has been a very 
instrumental part of his life for the past 20 years apparently.

And, no, it's simply NOT going to be enough to say: I disassociate 
myself from Wright and his remarks.  For goodness sake's, Obama has 
been going to this guy's Church for so, so many years.  This reflects 
on his judgement in a way that so seriously calls into question his 
ability to be president if he could go to such a man's church for so 
long and have such an influence on his life (according to Obama 
himself).

The Democratic Party simply will NOT let this stand.  I would even 
suspect that many, many committed Obama delegates won't vote for him 
at the convention.

He's toast and Hillary is the candidate.










> ...Might not have helped. Like the Greeks once noted---what 
> good is Democracy if your bread n circus oriented populace is 
largely 
> happily uniformed.
> 
> The Right is watching the Hillary/Barack War and diggin it. I worry 
> those precious few who haven't already made up their minds might 
> start seeing those 'Solid Republican's' and see safety from the 
chaos 
> of the volatile, multifarious democratsand now I'm 
> pontificating...anyhoo.I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- In 
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> >
> > If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be 
> > elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how 
> many 
> > delegates he has.
> > 
> > -
> > 
> > from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub
> > 
> > OPINION  
> >   
> > 
> > Obama and the Minister
> > By RONALD KESSLER
> > March 14, 2008; Page A19
> > 
> > In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's 
longtime 
> > minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS 
> > virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and 
creating 
> a 
> > racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.
> > 
> > The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity 
> United 
> > Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's 
Andrew 
> > Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.
> > 
> >  
> > Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service  
> > Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright 
> > "We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," 
he 
> > began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was 
> > founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever 
> be 
> > considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse 
> [Jackson] 
> > and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside 
what 
> > she can give with her body."
> > 
> > Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in 
the 
> > world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, 
the 
> > exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . 
> We 
> > bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children 
> while 
> > trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and 
> Ghadhafi . . . 
> > We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the 
whole 
> > 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black 
> > inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."
> > 
> > His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism 
> shamelessly 
> > while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke 
out 
> > against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about 
human 
> > life if the end justifies the means. . . ."
> > 
> > Concluding, Mr. Wright said: "We started the AIDS virus . . . We 
> are 
> > only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that 
Third 
> > World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."
> > 
> > Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in 
> > December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for 
> > lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright 
> > spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. "His depth on 
> analysis 
> > [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is 
astounding 
> > and eye-opening," Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. "He brings a 
> > perspective that is helpful and honest."
> > 
> > After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 
14, 
> > Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main 
> > point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. 
> > Farrakha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama I like ron paul

2008-03-14 Thread WLeed3
I still like Ron Paul


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Ed
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I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- 




Maybe we’ll get him as VP.

 

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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:34 AM
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I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- 

Maybe we’ll get him as VP.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Mr. Ed
Politicians have used this trick forever. Tie a lead to the 
statements of someone who supports him and drag them along in the 
dirt til they stop movin. Too bad the Dems didn't tie Bush to the 
Klan or the Father of the Killers of Ryan White in Laramie 
WY. ...Might not have helped. Like the Greeks once noted---what 
good is Democracy if your bread n circus oriented populace is largely 
happily uniformed.

The Right is watching the Hillary/Barack War and diggin it. I worry 
those precious few who haven't already made up their minds might 
start seeing those 'Solid Republican's' and see safety from the chaos 
of the volatile, multifarious democratsand now I'm 
pontificating...anyhoo.I MISS JOHN EDWARDS! :) --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be 
> elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how 
many 
> delegates he has.
> 
> -
> 
> from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub
> 
> OPINION  
>   
> 
> Obama and the Minister
> By RONALD KESSLER
> March 14, 2008; Page A19
> 
> In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime 
> minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS 
> virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating 
a 
> racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.
> 
> The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity 
United 
> Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew 
> Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.
> 
>  
> Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service  
> Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright 
> "We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he 
> began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was 
> founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever 
be 
> considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse 
[Jackson] 
> and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what 
> she can give with her body."
> 
> Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in the 
> world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the 
> exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . 
We 
> bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children 
while 
> trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and 
Ghadhafi . . . 
> We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 
> 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black 
> inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."
> 
> His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism 
shamelessly 
> while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out 
> against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human 
> life if the end justifies the means. . . ."
> 
> Concluding, Mr. Wright said: "We started the AIDS virus . . . We 
are 
> only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third 
> World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."
> 
> Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in 
> December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for 
> lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright 
> spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. "His depth on 
analysis 
> [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding 
> and eye-opening," Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. "He brings a 
> perspective that is helpful and honest."
> 
> After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, 
> Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main 
> point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. 
> Farrakhan, and that Mr. Wright's church was behind the award to the 
> Nation of Islam leader.
> 
> Instead, Mr. Obama said, "I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every 
> form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by 
> Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own 
> decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-
> offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree." Trumpet is 
> owned and produced by Mr. Wright's church out of the church's 
> offices, and Mr. Wright's daughters serve as publisher and 
executive 
> editor.
> 
> Meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland on Feb. 24, Mr. Obama 
> described Mr. Wright as being like "an old uncle who sometimes will 
> say things that I don't agree with." He rarely mentions the points 
of 
> disagreement.
> 
> Mr. Obama went on to explain Mr. Wright's anti-Zionist statements 
as 
> being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state's support for South 
> Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with his previous 
> claim that his church gave the award to Mr. Farrakhan because of 
his 
> work with ex-offenders, Mr. Obama appears

RE: [FairfieldLife] This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
It’s already all over the news and doesn’t seem to be getting much traction.
Obama will probably have to distance himself further from the guy.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback

2008-03-14 Thread sandiego108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bonnie Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I do not think you have that right.  I am not condeming anyone.  
>
>   I have my preferences and once of those is to engage in 
conversation where the energy isn't blasting back at meWasn't it 
MMY who said: speak the truth but speak the truth sweetly.
>
>   Thats all..and I'm not going anywhere.   This is fun !  :)  
>
>   Have a great evening.
>
>   jai guru dev
>   bonnie
>
thanks for the response-- very sweet! Jai Guru Dev



[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is far more than just Sahaj Samadhi Meditat

2008-03-14 Thread sandiego108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samuel Gravina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

when you stop believing in  
> evolution spiritual growth just doesn't have much appeal.
> 
> Sam
>
know whatcha mean-- I stopped believing in breathing. but I just can't 
quit dammit! its like its a natural process or something. next i'm 
putting my head in a plastic bag...



[FairfieldLife] This is a big, BIG problem for Obama

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
If the facts in this article are true, not only will he not be 
elected president, he won't get the nomination REGARDLESS of how many 
delegates he has.

-

from: http://tinyurl.com/2xtfub

OPINION  
  

Obama and the Minister
By RONALD KESSLER
March 14, 2008; Page A19

In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime 
minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS 
virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a 
racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.

The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United 
Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew 
Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.

 
Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service  
Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright 
"We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he 
began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was 
founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be 
considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] 
and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what 
she can give with her body."

Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in the 
world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the 
exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We 
bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while 
trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . 
We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 
27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black 
inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."

His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism shamelessly 
while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out 
against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human 
life if the end justifies the means. . . ."

Concluding, Mr. Wright said: "We started the AIDS virus . . . We are 
only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third 
World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."

Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in 
December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for 
lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright 
spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. "His depth on analysis 
[sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding 
and eye-opening," Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. "He brings a 
perspective that is helpful and honest."

After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, 
Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main 
point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. 
Farrakhan, and that Mr. Wright's church was behind the award to the 
Nation of Islam leader.

Instead, Mr. Obama said, "I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every 
form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by 
Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own 
decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-
offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree." Trumpet is 
owned and produced by Mr. Wright's church out of the church's 
offices, and Mr. Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive 
editor.

Meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland on Feb. 24, Mr. Obama 
described Mr. Wright as being like "an old uncle who sometimes will 
say things that I don't agree with." He rarely mentions the points of 
disagreement.

Mr. Obama went on to explain Mr. Wright's anti-Zionist statements as 
being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state's support for South 
Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with his previous 
claim that his church gave the award to Mr. Farrakhan because of his 
work with ex-offenders, Mr. Obama appears to have made that up.

Neither the presentation of the award nor the Trumpet article about 
the award mentions ex-offenders, and Mr. Wright's statements 
denouncing Israel have not been qualified in any way. Mr. Obama 
nonetheless told the Jewish leaders that the award to Mr. 
Farrakhan "showed a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish community." 
That is an understatement.

As for Mr. Wright's repeated comments blaming America for the 9/11 
attacks because of what Mr. Wright calls its racist and violent 
policies, Mr. Obama has said it sounds as if the minister was trying 
to be "provocative."

Hearing Mr. Wright's venomous and paranoid denunciations of this 
country, the vast majority of Americans would walk out. Instead, Mr. 
Obama and his wife Michelle have presumably sat through numerous 
similar sermons by Mr. Wright.

Indeed, Mr. Obama has described Mr. Wright as his "sounding board" 
during the two decades he has known him. Mr. Obama has said he found 
religion through the minister in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Santa Barbara's Independent: His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2008-03-14 Thread sandiego108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The author of this article, James Powell, is quite a
> character. I was on an ATR with him in 1975. Nice guy.
> Very funny.
> 
> --- Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> http://www.independent.com/news/2008/mar/13/his-holiness-
maharishi-mahesh-yogi-1911--2008/
> > 
> > Photo: Al Bourdet
> > His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> > 1911*- 2008
> > Thursday, March 13, 2008
> > By James Powell
> > 
> > 
> > The first time I met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was in
> > Malibu, on the beach.
> > 
> > It was a typical summer day in Southern California.
> > Not much was 
> > happening. There was a south swell. From time to
> > time a sun worshiper 
> > atop a towel would flip over, a seagull would sail
> > off into the fog, 
> > or a large set of waves would come crashing in.
> > 
> > As I recall, I stood on the beach with some of my
> > surfing buddies. We 
> > were probably dressed in the surfer's uniform of the
> > era: corduroy 
> > pants and white Penney's T-shirts covered by
> > Pendeltons, not tucked 
> > in. Unlike most surfers on most beaches that day,
> > however, we each 
> > held in our hands a bouquet of flowers.
> > 
> > Suddenly cars arrived. Doors were flung open. A
> > cameraman emerged, 
> > and next some guys in suits. A brown, sandaled foot
> > from within the 
> > car could be seen feeling for the ground, and then -
> > bearded and 
> > wearing a long, flowing, white dhoti - an Indian man
> > stepped out onto 
> > the dirt road. He seemed enveloped in a nimbus of
> > such serenity and 
> > light that, seeing him, the effect was similar to
> > what one feels deep 
> > in a canyon before dawn, when suddenly the sun
> > bursts over the rim.
> > 
> > With the camera now trained on us - the surfer-boy
> > extras in a 
> > documentary film -  Maharishi approached, clearly
> > enjoying the 
> > eternity in each step as he floated across the sand.
> > As he drew near, 
> > something happened that I was not at all prepared
> > for. My soul began 
> > to swoon. In place of the crashing of the waves,
> > which now seemed far 
> > in the distance, was an immensely beautiful sea of
> > silent 
> > consciousness. It was, to put it mildly, simply
> > adorable. Lost in it, 
> > I could neither speak nor move. When Maharishi
> > tugged on my flowers, 
> > I was unable to release my grip. He looked into my
> > eyes, touched my 
> > hand, and my fingers opened.
> > 
> > It would be impossible to forget the blithe beauty
> > of those eyes. He 
> > looked into each of ours, playfully. After accepting
> > our flowers he 
> > looked out to sea, and then, regarding us again and
> > smiling like the 
> > happiest man on earth, he asked, "Are you enjoying
> > the ocean?"
> > 
one of the best articles I've read on Maharishi-- captures his 
essence so gently without going into the writer's agenda or trotting 
out M's resume.



[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Dress Code Relaxed

2008-03-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
> --- Rick Archer wrote:
>
> MUM just relaxed the dress code. Back in Mallorca, 
> MMY said that initiators should throw all their 
> blue jeans in the ocean. And of course, initiators
> had to cut their hair, not grow beards, etc. This 
> became Movement policy and has been enforced at 
> MUM since its founding. If you showed up at the dome
> with black jeans on, you were admitted. If the jeans 
> were blue, you were turned away.  
> 
> The policy was just dramatically relaxed. Now students 
> can wear blue jeans, grow their hair and beards, even 
> dye their hair, as long as they use natural
> colors (i.e., not green or purple). Excessive body 
> piercings are not allowed, but discreet earrings on men are OK.
> 
> The policy change came from Bevan and John, when it was 
> brought to their attention that the dress code was 
> dissuading potential students from joining
> the environmental sciences program, which now has 
> 50 participants and is doubling every year. I doubt it 
> would have happened if MMY were still alive.

When Bevan succeeded Larry Domash as MIU president, 
one of the first things His Bevanness did was to 
relax the dress code at breakfast. He let people 
come in their dome clothes. Previously, we had to 
be in clothes that conformed to the dress code. 




[FairfieldLife] Global warming is a scam

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
http://media.kusi.clickability.com/documents/Comments+on+Global+Warming1
.pdf



[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread sandiego108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> 
> > Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP
> > address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a 
Norwegian
> > ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk!
> 
> 
> Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem!
> 
> Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's 
often  
> how he comes across.
>
no comment...



[FairfieldLife] Mr. Harple is a pathetic idealist?

2008-03-14 Thread cardemaister

http://harple.com/weblog/

I'm just back from the launch of our new mobile<<—->>web geo-social 
networking "lifestyle application" and platform, , in Barcelona 
at the Mobile World Congress. I have to say, after two years of 
woodshedding, working in stealth, designing, building a new team, 
testing, iterating, raising capital, going to public beta, followed by 
the Barcelona launch of , the ambiguity started transforming 
itself. What we thought all along, " is cool and useful," also 
resonated in Barcelona; with partners, analysts, press, and most 
importantly, people who use it. We got a dose of clarity. Thanks to 
all !!!





[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
Thanks for the clarification, Zoran. This sort 
of Kremlinology is how I expect to derive much 
entertainment in these post-Maharishi days.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Zoran Krneta"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gillam wrote:
>
> Sorry, Zoran, but your suggestion is a bit too coy
> for my simple perception. What would I see in the
> pictures from Maharishi's funeral? Thanks.
> 
> 
> There are two movements in the movement:
> 
> American/European one (rajas) and Indian one (Maharishi's family -
> Shrivastavas, Girish Varma, Nand Kishore etc.)
> 
> Maaharishi's family has shown during funeral who is with 
> them and whom they are supporting.
> 
> 
> 
> Indian part of movement was always dragging money from 
> westerners and spending it in India on various things.
> 
> They are expecting that this will continue, but Maharishi 
> is not there any more to collect such amounts from westerners 
> and forward it to India.
> 
> Confrontation between those two "movements" is inevitable.
> 
> 
> 
> In that light you should analyze this suggestion that 
> Nand Kishore should be Maaharishi's successor.
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Anybody get the ledger today...?

2008-03-14 Thread Mr. Ed
Re: Anybody get the ledger today...? 


Re: Anybody get the ledger today...?


Oh it's not too bad. I'm rather hard on myself...It's worse with my
musical recordings. Here's my letter withOUT the typoIt
said "they've disliked" I meant they're disliked"

Don't Shut Out the North Side of Town.
To The editor:
A response to Sabrina Ecklund's and Wilda Hadley's letter
Fairfield can survive without M.U.M."

I'm not from here and I'm not a TM'er. I've been here five years
and love it. But no town is perfect. I've heard TM'ers say that
they're disliked out of ignorance. Maybe there'd be less ignorance if
there were less secrecy. The sentiment expressed by Sabrina and Wilda
is no accident.
On the other hand, why would anyone rather live in a town without
20 good restaurants, an unusually high number of world class musicians
and artists and a list of community events that towns this big
usually don't have. Judge and shut out all the people involved in the
goings on "north of town" and you're missing out on some awesome
people.
I love Fairfield's townies and ru's and feel priviledged to be
here.
Ed Raines, Fairfield--- In--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How bad is the typo? 
> 
> --- "Mr. Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Of course my letter has a GODDAMN TYPO in it. I
> > can't write 4 sentences 
> > without [EMAIL PROTECTED] up somethin'.(Shit!)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Ed"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Rick..they ran mine tooRight underneath
> > yours. It was just a 
> > > couple sentences..but I'm
> > pleased.anyhoo.rock on.--- 
> > In 
> > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"
> >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's out. My former neighbor (non-meditator)
> > called to congratulate 
> > > me.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hindu Milk Miracle

2008-03-14 Thread Duveyoung
Curtis,

Note that when I get all silly-assed and shooting from the hip at you,
you sometimes lose the very sense of humor I so much appreciate about
you.  It was only a toy shotgun shooting plush bullets.

Ya protesteth tooeth mucheth me thinketh.

I don't believe in a personal God that should be prayed to, nor do I
think any religion on Earth has a dogma that's robust enough to
capture all truths about "spirit," or that any religion has a way to
transform the masses with very much potency.  Your atheism doesn't
bother me regarding those worlds of beliefs.

But, my truth is that prayers are good actions for a nervous system,
and that dogmas can keep folks intellectually trucking along in a very
harsh world, and if prayers and dogmas were abandoned by the masses
then from within that vacuum something else would manifest -- and I'll
take "the devil I do know" rather than hope that the masses will come
up with a perfectly egalitarian democratic system of maintaining
mental health and evolution. Until such, we need to fight the good
fight on every street corner to assuage the abuse of major religions.

As much violence that has been created by the major religions, I would
keep them until something much better can be offered to the world.  I
don't want Bush to die if we get Cheney, see?  Keep the real Pope
until we get the real Poop.  The "better" religion for the New Age
could be something like a bio-feedback machine that enlightens one --
Scientology certainly tried to invent such a machine, right?  Then
there's Wilhelm Reich orgone box, etc.  

There are many products and techniques out there that support my
notion that enlightenment is a "benign delusion" that can be made into
an all-time psychological reality by some mechanical method, and
living in such a state may be philosophically acceptable in that to be
human is to necessarily be an a state of some sort, so why not pick a
good one?

Study Advaita, and you'll see that the Buddhists have nothing to brag
about when it comes to summing up creation as essentially
non-sentient, voidish, and beyond concept, and certainly barren of any
ego -- even the ego of God.  So if you can remember that I espouse
such a POV, maybe you won't be so eager to shove me into some TB
mood-making blissninny category.  I'm judgmental but not like they
are.  I claim no outside authority for my notions -- just that my
morals feel right. Predation of any sort feels wrong to me, and I'm
going to shout about iteven if I have to thorn/thorn someone and
risk being exactly what I am railing about.

The Absolute doesn't think, plan, manifest, etc. -- and that's as
close as lying words can get to the truth -- even Brahma couldn't
fathom the root of His lotus, and the only prayer I would pray to
Brahma is "Tell me about Your Roots!"  Only by leaping out of all
possible boxes-of-thinking does one BECOME the answer instead of
receiving the answer. 

But I think there IS that answer, and you don't seem to think so.
Aren't you depressed?

I think that you deny the Absolute -- THAT'S my problem with you. 
When you deny that there's an "eternal" "aspect" that is the "primal
truth" that may never be understood or realized by human brains but is
there nontheless -- THAT'S my problem with you. You toss out every
baby from every bathwater. 

Do you think you've really obtained the clarity about this issue? 
Your lack of humor about when I pull your chain seems to be a tell
that you are on shaky grounds and must amp up the 'tude when I
challenge you -- as if bristling were a proof that your conclusions
are sound.  

Of course, I am a great chain puller, so you can be forgiven somewhat
for any snarling at me, but don't you agree that I ever-so-nicely
jammed a lot of religious terms into my description of you?  I thought
it was a hoot!

Since I've been guilty of logic-shenanigans also, I understand your
knee jerks and rationalizations from a hale-brother-well-met POV, but
at least look at what your arguments are concerning the "nature of
divinity" and what giant minds of the past have done to advance subtle
thought about that concept.  Traditionally, great thinkers have taken
the concept VERY seriously and not tossed "the possibility of
divinity" aside out of hand. You may be much smarter than me, and if
so, then read Ramana Maharishi's "Talks" and tell me where I'm wrong
to "go with" the truths he espouses even if I cannot fully experience
those truths myself.  His logic, his matrix, all seems consistent. 
There's no red flags in his presentation.  Tell me if you think I'm
wrong about his statements.

I don't think you've explored what a delusive belief might mean in
terms of the raw transactions of chemicals and messages in a nervous
system.  "God" in most brains on Earth is a triggering symbol that
folks use to create "other kinds of buzzing" in their brains.  As
such, it's very useful, eh?  Better than a Xanax, right? Playing music
is better than "playing opium," but the goal remains the same:

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:18 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

 

On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:





Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP
address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a Norwegian
ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk!

 

 

Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem!

 

Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's often how he
comes across.

I thought he was German, because of his fanatical tendencies.


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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback

2008-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bonnie Rosen
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:55 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback

 

And also, I have in the past sent 2 other emails..but perhaps I never sent
them correctly for they never appeared.  (I'll usually reasonablely tech
friendly! :) )  

Another technical point, Bonnie, is that while most people neglect to “snip”
unneeded parts of previous posts in their responses, which is a nuisance for
many reasons, you snip everything, so sometimes it’s hard to know what point
you’re responding to. I would suggest leaving in just a sentence or two, as
I have done here. IOW, leave in just the point(s) to which you are
responding, and snip the rest.

This applies to everyone, not just Bonnie.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is far more than just Sahaj Samadhi Meditation

2008-03-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
Thanks for the personal history, Louis. When 
we were in school together I never thought 
to ask, "What's your story?"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My saddest thought is one day in Montreal I had this great
experience.  SSRS was my breath.  Not just as in some master coming to
the disciple but as in taste smell touch as in more intimate than I
had ever experienced anything or anyone.   Then I heard now you have
me.   I knew my time of physical closeness to him was coming to a
close.  I cried.  Because he was my best best friend.   When I met him
he did not tell me to sit at his feet. He told me to sit on the sofa
with him.  I chose to sit at his feet.   
>
>   The next thing the following year he let me drive him from LA to
Oakland.   God that was so neat.  I was in heaven.  We had been all
over southern cal and now on a Sunday late at night I was driving him
to Santa Barbara.   I was afraid I would fall asleep.   I did not.  
He and Martin and I.   Then because some people in this group hate
these type stories I will skip the mushy stuff.   Anyway We had a
great time.   In Big Sur we had fun and it was great to be a friend to
him.   Then when it came time to go from Big Sur to Oakland I knew
that the way to capture him was to be prepared.   So I had heavy
competition Shirley and her Husband were driving and he would normally
go with them.  Except their car was full of dust.   I got up early got
my car washed got music I knew he would like and all of the treats I
knew he would like to eat.  With Flowers all in the car.   
>
>   He got in the car and said Shut up.  Don't say a word.   He made
me drive all the way to Oakland in silence.   When we got there, I
decided to do the course.   An advanced course.   So I got on the
course and when we went into silence.  This time I did not go hang out
with the Guru.  I went to sleep every night.  I stayed mostly in
silence and I did the program as best I could.   Sometimes I would be
asked to do something then I had to break silence or whatever.  In any
case.  I could feel his presence and be inside of him in rooms where
ever.  I could know the conversations they were having.  I had never
had that kind of closeness with anyone.   Then the course ended I went
back to LA and yes I did see him again but I have not been on a course
since nor been in his presence in the same way.   I think he knew and
that is why he gave me so much attention.  Yet it wasn't that I was
kicked out or ousted.   It was that my path and my dharma was leading
me to be me.   I took
>  him with me.   So I have been doing all kinds of other things
around the world.   Yet with not even a drop of what he has done.  So
no, he is not one who would need to pretend.   He is so cool more cool
than anyone, yet sweet more sweet than MMY who is also very very near
and dear.
>
>   Yet when he told me I had to repeat phase one of his TTC I was so
heart broke and he was so firm about it that it was like shedding the
tears of a thousand lifetimes.   So in the end AMA gives hugs, Guru
Mayi gives Darshan Ravi SHankar he goes to Iraq and Pakistan and
Brazil to places that others would refuse to go.   He would go to
Glasgow or Estonia or Russia Moscow and not be afraid.   Me too walk
the streets of Harlem at 3 am he is my best friend.   
>
>   So in that same way Maharishi came to me in a dream at 14.  I
thought he was my uncle,(my uncle was a gardener) he was sitting in
meditation surrounded by flowers.  I thought my favorite uncle in the
world had died.  I cried and cried and cried that night.  Then when I
realized it was a dream.  Oh boy.  When I realized it was Maharishi,
oh man I was set on getting even for that one.   When I saw a sign
that said he would be doing a lecture I got a tomato.  I went to the
lecture and left. It was some white guy talking about meditation.  
>
>   A year later I met the man who would teach me to meditate on the
radio a late night talk show.   I had been trying to kill myself
because I was tired of being different.   The guy was going to be
doing a poetry reading in NYC.   He had just come back from Ethiopia
where he was taught to be a teacher of transcendental meditation.   In
my world they were telling me that drugs, and prison were the way for
me.  Or since I was creative my way was to be gay.  I decided that I
would rather die.  So I went to school came home and was working on
getting pneumonia.   My only grace was this radio show.   At 16 they
invited me to come to New York.  I did.   that was in march by June of
that year 1974 I began meditating.  
>
>   Soon I was no longer living in my home town.   I was pulled
totally out of the environment.   TM teachers became my family.  I
grew through 17, 18 and almost 19  in the centers of New York city. 
In October of 1974 I got to meditate with Maharishi, meet Jeri Jarvis
and meditate with thousands of people in Madison Square Garden.   That
was the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Anybody get the ledger today...?

2008-03-14 Thread Mr. Ed
Re: Anybody get the ledger today...? 


Oh it's not too bad. I'm rather hard on myself...It's worse with my
musical recordings. Here's my letter withOUT the typoIt
said "they've disliked" I meant they're disliked"

Don't Shut Out the North Side of Town.
To The editor:
A response to Sabrina Ecklund's and Wilda Hadley's letter
Fairfield can survive without M.U.M."

I'm not from here and I'm not a TM'er. I've been here five years
and love it. But no town is perfect. I've heard TM'ers say that
they're disliked out of ignorance. Maybe there'd be less ignorance if
there were less secrecy. The sentiment expressed by Sabrina and Wilda
is no accident.
On the other hand, why would anyone rather live in a town without
20 good restaurants, an unusually high nuber of world class musicians
and artists and a list of community events that towns this big
usually don't have. Judge and shut out all the people involved in the
goings on "north of town" and you're missing out on some awesome
people.
I love Fairfield's townies and ru's and feel priviledged to be
here.
Ed Raines, Fairfield--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> How bad is the typo?
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> > > Hey Rick..they ran mine tooRight underneath
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> > > couple sentences..but I'm
> > pleased.anyhoo.rock on.---
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> > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"
> >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's out. My former neighbor (non-meditator)
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>
> How bad is the typo? 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 14, 2008, at 1:06 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, Zoran, but your suggestion is a bit too coy
> > > > for my simple perception. What would I see in the
> > > > pictures from Maharishi's funeral? Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Zoran Krneta"
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ...closely look at the pictures from Maharishi's funeral...
> > > > > and in adition make small intellectual exercise about 
movement's
> > > > money...
> > >
> > > Money, drugs and violence. That's the three things held dearly 
by
> > any
> > > Serb.
> >
> > Pray tell, which superior Aryan nation are you from, Nabnuts?
> 
> 
> He's English.

He is from Norway. i know this guy.
Ingegerd
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Anybody get the ledger today...?

2008-03-14 Thread Mr. Ed
Oh it's not too bad. I'm rather hard on myself...It's worse with my 
mucial recordings. Here's my letter withOUT the typoIt 
said "they've disliked" I meant they're disliked"

Don't Shut Out the North Side of Town.
To The editor:
   A response to Sabrina Ecklund's and Wilda Hadley's letter 
Fairfield can survive without M.U.M."

   I'm not from here and I'm not a TM'er. I've been here five years 
and love it. But no town is perfect. I've heard TM'ers say that 
they're disliked out of ignorance. Maybe there'd be less ignorance if 
there were less secrecy. The sentiment expressed by Sabrina and Wilda 
is no accident.
   On the other hand, why would anyone rather live in a town without 
20 good restaurants, an unusually high nuber of world class musicians 
and artists and a list of community events that towns this big 
usually don't have. Judge and shut out all the people involved in the 
goings on "north of town" and you're missing out on some awesome 
people. 
   I love Fairfield's townies and ru's and feel priviledged to be 
here. 
   Ed Raines, Fairfield--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How bad is the typo? 
> 
> --- "Mr. Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Of course my letter has a GODDAMN TYPO in it. I
> > can't write 4 sentences 
> > without [EMAIL PROTECTED] up somethin'.(Shit!)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Ed"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Rick..they ran mine tooRight underneath
> > yours. It was just a 
> > > couple sentences..but I'm
> > pleased.anyhoo.rock on.--- 
> > In 
> > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"
> >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's out. My former neighbor (non-meditator)
> > called to congratulate 
> > > me.
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[FairfieldLife] Sue Al Gore for fraud!

2008-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
Weather Channel Founder: 

Sue Al Gore for Fraud



Friday, March 14, 2008


March 13, 2008: Office workers take shelter under umbrellas as they 
walk past a building's exterior landscaped with a water curtain in 
Singapore.
March 13, 2008: Office workers take shelter under umbrellas as they 
walk past a building's exterior landscaped with a water curtain in 
Singapore.
 The founder of the Weather Channel wants to sue Al Gore for fraud, 
hoping a legal debate will settle the global-warming debate once and 
for all.

John Coleman, who founded the cable network in 1982, suggests suing 
for fraud proponents of global warming, including Al Gore, and 
companies that sell carbon credits.

"Is he committing financial fraud? That is the question," Coleman 
said.

"Since we can't get a debate, I thought perhaps if we had a legal 
challenge and went into a court of law, where it was our scientists 
and their scientists, and all the legal proceedings with the 
discovery and all their documents from both sides and scientific 
testimony from both sides, we could finally get a good solid debate 
on the issue," Coleman said. "I'm confident that the advocates of 'no 
significant effect from carbon dioxide' would win the case."

• Click here to watch video of Coleman on "Fox and Friends."

Coleman says his side of the global-warming debate is being buried in 
mainstream media circles.

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Global Warming Awareness Video
Climate Debate "As you look at the atmosphere over the last 25 years, 
there's been perhaps a degree of warming, perhaps probably a whole 
lot less than that, and the last year has been so cold that that's 
been erased," he said.

"I think if we continue the cooling trend a couple of more years, the 
general public will at last begin to realize that they've been 
scammed on this global-warming thing."

• Click here to visit FOXNews.com's Natural Science Center.

Coleman spoke to FOXNews.com after his appearance last week at the 
2008 International Conference on Climate Change in New York, where he 
called global warming a scam and lambasted the cable network he 
helped create.

"You want to tune to the Weather Channel and have them tell you how 
to live your life?" Coleman said. "Come on."

He laments the network's decision to focus on traffic and lifestyle 
reports over the weather.

"It's very clear that they don't realize that weather is the most 
significant impact in every human being's daily life, and good, 
solid, up-to-the-minute weather information and meaningful forecasts 
presented in such a way that people find them understandable and 
enjoyable can have a significant impact," he said.

"The more you cloud that up with other baloney, the weaker the 
product," he said.

Coleman has long been a skeptic of global warming, and carbon dioxide 
is the linchpin to his argument.

"Does carbon dioxide cause a warming of the atmosphere? The 
proponents of global warming pin their whole piece on that," he said.

The compound carbon dioxide makes up only 38 out of every 100,000 
particles in the atmosphere, he said.

"That's about twice as what there were in the atmosphere in the time 
we started burning fossil fuels, so it's gone up, but it's still a 
tiny compound," Coleman said. "So how can that tiny trace compound 
have such a significant effect on temperature?

"My position is it can't," he continued. "It doesn't, and the whole 
case for global warming is based on a fallacy."

• Click here for John Coleman's briefs on global warming.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback

2008-03-14 Thread Peter

--- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mar 14, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Bonnie Rosen wrote:
> 
> > And it is unfortunate that you now are suggesting
> that you have  
> > negative feelings and thoughts about SSRS.  That
> is your decision  
> > and I hope that you can sometime drop that and see
> value.
> 
> Bonnie,
> Lecturing people and telling them how negative they
> supposedly are  
> usually isn't a great way to begin somewhere.  Try
> accepting others'  
> POV as you would like without the value judgements.
> 
> Also, including the comments you're replying to
> instead of just  
> tossing out replies with no reference would be
> helpful.
> 
> Sal

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread Peter
Wherever he is from, the dude has a few issues!

--- Ingegerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> > 
> > > Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and
> not hiding his IP
> > > address, he was posting from a chello.no IP.
> Chello.no is a 
> Norwegian
> > > ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk!
> > 
> > 
> > Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the
> problem!
> > 
> > Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman
> since that's 
> often  
> > how he comes across.
> 
> He is from Norway.
> Ingegerd
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> 
> > Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP
> > address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a 
Norwegian
> > ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk!
> 
> 
> Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem!
> 
> Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's 
often  
> how he comes across.

He is from Norway.
Ingegerd
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback

2008-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bonnie Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And it is unfortunate that you now are suggesting that you have 
> negative feelings and thoughts about SSRS.  That is your decision 
> and I hope that you can sometime drop that and see value.

You completely miss the point. The ONLY negative
feelings I have about SSRS, and that I have EVER
had about him, are as a direct result of encountering
YOU. If he allows you to act like such an insuffer-
able blissninny as to write "HIS" name in all caps
when referring to him, how good a teacher can he be?





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread Vaj


On Mar 14, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:


Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP
address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a Norwegian
ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk!



Too much lye in the ludefisk could be part of the problem!

Funny, I always took Nabby as a snooty Englishman since that's often  
how he comes across.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback

2008-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Mar 14, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Bonnie Rosen wrote:

And it is unfortunate that you now are suggesting that you have  
negative feelings and thoughts about SSRS.  That is your decision  
and I hope that you can sometime drop that and see value.


Bonnie,
Lecturing people and telling them how negative they supposedly are  
usually isn't a great way to begin somewhere.  Try accepting others'  
POV as you would like without the value judgements.


Also, including the comments you're replying to instead of just  
tossing out replies with no reference would be helpful.


Sal




[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry, Zoran, but your suggestion is a bit too coy 
> > > for my simple perception. What would I see in the 
> > > pictures from Maharishi's funeral? Thanks.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Zoran Krneta"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...closely look at the pictures from Maharishi's funeral...
> > > > and in adition make small intellectual exercise about movement's
> > > money...
> > 
> > Money, drugs and violence. That's the three things held dearly by 
> any 
> > Serb.
> 
> 
> Pray tell, which superior Aryan nation are you from, Nabnuts?

Back when Nabby was posting as lupidus108 and not hiding his IP
address, he was posting from a chello.no IP. Chello.no is a Norwegian
ISP. Behold, the power of lutefisk!



[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback

2008-03-14 Thread Bonnie Rosen
Sorry that you took my comments as "condensing"  as they were not intended as 
such.  I think it was more my way of expressing my frustration after reading 
some of the contributions.   And as I find a good number of the comments 
energetically not in aligment with my perspectives, that is why I consider the 
groups value for me..not for your usage if you participate.
   
  And also, I have in the past sent 2 other emails..but perhaps I never sent 
them correctly for they never appeared.  (I'll usually reasonablely tech 
friendly! :) )  
   
  And yes... of course I have noticed that those in these group are about 
finding their own path.that is clear.  
   
  And it is unfortunate that you now are suggesting that you have negative 
feelings and thoughts about SSRS.  That is your decision and I hope that you 
can sometime drop that and see value.
   
  Bonnie


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anybody get the ledger today...?

2008-03-14 Thread Peter
How bad is the typo? 

--- "Mr. Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Of course my letter has a GODDAMN TYPO in it. I
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> without [EMAIL PROTECTED] up somethin'.(Shit!)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Ed"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Rick..they ran mine tooRight underneath
> yours. It was just a 
> > couple sentences..but I'm
> pleased.anyhoo.rock on.--- 
> In 
> > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > It's out. My former neighbor (non-meditator)
> called to congratulate 
> > me.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Santa Barbara's Independent: His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2008-03-14 Thread Peter
The author of this article, James Powell, is quite a
character. I was on an ATR with him in 1975. Nice guy.
Very funny.

--- Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
http://www.independent.com/news/2008/mar/13/his-holiness-maharishi-mahesh-yogi-1911--2008/
> 
> Photo: Al Bourdet
> His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
> 1911*- 2008
> Thursday, March 13, 2008
> By James Powell
> 
> 
> The first time I met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was in
> Malibu, on the beach.
> 
> It was a typical summer day in Southern California.
> Not much was 
> happening. There was a south swell. From time to
> time a sun worshiper 
> atop a towel would flip over, a seagull would sail
> off into the fog, 
> or a large set of waves would come crashing in.
> 
> As I recall, I stood on the beach with some of my
> surfing buddies. We 
> were probably dressed in the surfer's uniform of the
> era: corduroy 
> pants and white Penney's T-shirts covered by
> Pendeltons, not tucked 
> in. Unlike most surfers on most beaches that day,
> however, we each 
> held in our hands a bouquet of flowers.
> 
> Suddenly cars arrived. Doors were flung open. A
> cameraman emerged, 
> and next some guys in suits. A brown, sandaled foot
> from within the 
> car could be seen feeling for the ground, and then -
> bearded and 
> wearing a long, flowing, white dhoti - an Indian man
> stepped out onto 
> the dirt road. He seemed enveloped in a nimbus of
> such serenity and 
> light that, seeing him, the effect was similar to
> what one feels deep 
> in a canyon before dawn, when suddenly the sun
> bursts over the rim.
> 
> With the camera now trained on us - the surfer-boy
> extras in a 
> documentary film -  Maharishi approached, clearly
> enjoying the 
> eternity in each step as he floated across the sand.
> As he drew near, 
> something happened that I was not at all prepared
> for. My soul began 
> to swoon. In place of the crashing of the waves,
> which now seemed far 
> in the distance, was an immensely beautiful sea of
> silent 
> consciousness. It was, to put it mildly, simply
> adorable. Lost in it, 
> I could neither speak nor move. When Maharishi
> tugged on my flowers, 
> I was unable to release my grip. He looked into my
> eyes, touched my 
> hand, and my fingers opened.
> 
> It would be impossible to forget the blithe beauty
> of those eyes. He 
> looked into each of ours, playfully. After accepting
> our flowers he 
> looked out to sea, and then, regarding us again and
> smiling like the 
> happiest man on earth, he asked, "Are you enjoying
> the ocean?"
> 
> Thus began my transcendental studies -lessons such
> as I had never 
> known. The classroom was the Heart; the assignment
> was to locate the 
> point within where the soul loses its boundaries and
> becomes absorbed 
> in something infinite.
> 
> Typically, by the time Maharishi arrived at his seat
> in any of the 
> countless lecture halls he spoke in around the
> world, he would be 
> hugging to his chest hundreds of flowers accepted
> from students 
> greeting him on his way in. And in each one of those
> exchanges was a 
> moment as spiritually transforming as the one I had
> known on the 
> beach. Yet, Maharishi's aim was not to establish a
> personality cult. 
> Each and every flower he accepted in each and every
> lecture hall he 
> would place reverently before the image of his
> beloved teacher, Guru 
> Dev, to whom he dedicated every instant of his life.
> And he 
> tirelessly encouraged each of us to dive into the
> ocean of 
> consciousness his Guru Dev embodied, by diving deep
> within our hearts 
> during meditation.
> 
> Maharishi, in speaking of his teacher, always
> emphasized that the 
> events in a spiritually illumined life are not so
> important. What is 
> important is the state of his or her enlightenment.
> So I will not 
> list all Maharishi's many accomplishments throughout
> the world. 
> Perhaps something of his level of presence can be
> felt through these 
> few words.
> 
> Maharishi visited Santa Barbara on several occasions
> because some of 
> his dearest friends lived here: Walter and Rae Koch,
> the family of 
> Tom and Susan Headley, and Arthur and Christina
> Granville. Over the 
> past few decades, teachers at Santa Barbara's
> Transcendental 
> Meditation center instructed more than 10,000 Santa
> Barbarans in 
> meditation. In addition, Santa Barbara was at one
> time the home of 
> the fledgling Maharishi International University,
> now located in 
> Fairfield, Iowa.
> 
> "Are you enjoying the ocean?" Although those were
> the first words I 
> had ever heard him speak, through the years I
> realized that they 
> contained his entire teaching. For Maharishi was
> absolutely certain 
> of one fact: His soul was forever floating within an
> ocean of 
> unbounded bliss. He was well aware that the state of
> life he was 
> living was adorable, and that anyone could begin to
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Nandikeeshore should be the Guru after MMY!

2008-03-14 Thread Zoran Krneta
There are two movements in the movement:

American/European one (rajas) and Indian one (Maharishi's family -
Shrivastavas, Girish Varma, Nand Kishore etc.)

Maaharishi's family has shown during funeral who is with them and whom they
are supporting.



Indian part of movement was always dragging money from westerners and
spending it in India on various things.

They are expecting that this will continue, but Maharishi is not there any
more to collect such amounts from westerners and forward it to India.

Confrontation between those two "movements" is inevitable.



In that light you should analyze this suggestion that Nand Kishore should be
Maaharishi's successor.


[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's last journey to Uttarkashi - a journey to the place where it all began

2008-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
>From a friend. Some of it is in German, some in English, but Google has a
translate feature if you install the Google Toolbar.

 

Please paste the URL to the Address line on top of the Explorer window and
you'll be on your way to the Himalaya...

HYPERLINK "http://sashas-india.blog.de"http://sashas-india.blog.de

With best wishes and JAI GURU DEV


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread Vaj


On Mar 14, 2008, at 1:06 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, Zoran, but your suggestion is a bit too coy
> > for my simple perception. What would I see in the
> > pictures from Maharishi's funeral? Thanks.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Zoran Krneta"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > ...closely look at the pictures from Maharishi's funeral...
> > > and in adition make small intellectual exercise about movement's
> > money...
>
> Money, drugs and violence. That's the three things held dearly by
any
> Serb.

Pray tell, which superior Aryan nation are you from, Nabnuts?



He's English.

[FairfieldLife] Santa Barbara's Independent: His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2008-03-14 Thread Dick Mays

http://www.independent.com/news/2008/mar/13/his-holiness-maharishi-mahesh-yogi-1911--2008/

Photo: Al Bourdet
His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
1911*- 2008
Thursday, March 13, 2008
By James Powell


The first time I met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was in Malibu, on the beach.

It was a typical summer day in Southern California. Not much was 
happening. There was a south swell. From time to time a sun worshiper 
atop a towel would flip over, a seagull would sail off into the fog, 
or a large set of waves would come crashing in.


As I recall, I stood on the beach with some of my surfing buddies. We 
were probably dressed in the surfer's uniform of the era: corduroy 
pants and white Penney's T-shirts covered by Pendeltons, not tucked 
in. Unlike most surfers on most beaches that day, however, we each 
held in our hands a bouquet of flowers.


Suddenly cars arrived. Doors were flung open. A cameraman emerged, 
and next some guys in suits. A brown, sandaled foot from within the 
car could be seen feeling for the ground, and then - bearded and 
wearing a long, flowing, white dhoti - an Indian man stepped out onto 
the dirt road. He seemed enveloped in a nimbus of such serenity and 
light that, seeing him, the effect was similar to what one feels deep 
in a canyon before dawn, when suddenly the sun bursts over the rim.


With the camera now trained on us - the surfer-boy extras in a 
documentary film -  Maharishi approached, clearly enjoying the 
eternity in each step as he floated across the sand. As he drew near, 
something happened that I was not at all prepared for. My soul began 
to swoon. In place of the crashing of the waves, which now seemed far 
in the distance, was an immensely beautiful sea of silent 
consciousness. It was, to put it mildly, simply adorable. Lost in it, 
I could neither speak nor move. When Maharishi tugged on my flowers, 
I was unable to release my grip. He looked into my eyes, touched my 
hand, and my fingers opened.


It would be impossible to forget the blithe beauty of those eyes. He 
looked into each of ours, playfully. After accepting our flowers he 
looked out to sea, and then, regarding us again and smiling like the 
happiest man on earth, he asked, "Are you enjoying the ocean?"


Thus began my transcendental studies -lessons such as I had never 
known. The classroom was the Heart; the assignment was to locate the 
point within where the soul loses its boundaries and becomes absorbed 
in something infinite.


Typically, by the time Maharishi arrived at his seat in any of the 
countless lecture halls he spoke in around the world, he would be 
hugging to his chest hundreds of flowers accepted from students 
greeting him on his way in. And in each one of those exchanges was a 
moment as spiritually transforming as the one I had known on the 
beach. Yet, Maharishi's aim was not to establish a personality cult. 
Each and every flower he accepted in each and every lecture hall he 
would place reverently before the image of his beloved teacher, Guru 
Dev, to whom he dedicated every instant of his life. And he 
tirelessly encouraged each of us to dive into the ocean of 
consciousness his Guru Dev embodied, by diving deep within our hearts 
during meditation.


Maharishi, in speaking of his teacher, always emphasized that the 
events in a spiritually illumined life are not so important. What is 
important is the state of his or her enlightenment. So I will not 
list all Maharishi's many accomplishments throughout the world. 
Perhaps something of his level of presence can be felt through these 
few words.


Maharishi visited Santa Barbara on several occasions because some of 
his dearest friends lived here: Walter and Rae Koch, the family of 
Tom and Susan Headley, and Arthur and Christina Granville. Over the 
past few decades, teachers at Santa Barbara's Transcendental 
Meditation center instructed more than 10,000 Santa Barbarans in 
meditation. In addition, Santa Barbara was at one time the home of 
the fledgling Maharishi International University, now located in 
Fairfield, Iowa.


"Are you enjoying the ocean?" Although those were the first words I 
had ever heard him speak, through the years I realized that they 
contained his entire teaching. For Maharishi was absolutely certain 
of one fact: His soul was forever floating within an ocean of 
unbounded bliss. He was well aware that the state of life he was 
living was adorable, and that anyone could begin to live it.<>

[FairfieldLife] The Great Tantra Challenge

2008-03-14 Thread Vaj

From Indian TV:

http://www.rationalistinternational.net/

http://www.rationalistinternational.net/article/2008/20080310/en_1.html

On 3 March 2008, in a popular TV show, Sanal Edamaruku, the president  
of Rationalist International, challenged India’s most “powerful”  
tantrik (black magician) to demonstrate his powers on him. That was  
the beginning of an unprecedented experiment. After all his chanting  
of mantra (magic words) and ceremonies of tantra failed, the tantrik  
decided to kill Sanal Edamaruku with the “ultimate destruction  
ceremony” on live TV. (...)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is far more than just Sahaj Samadhi Meditation

2008-03-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > > Kirk  wrote:
> > > > #ygrp-mkp {   BORDER-RIGHT: #d8d8d8 1px solid;
> > > > PADDING-RIGHT: 14px; BORDER-TOP: #d8d8d8 1px solid;
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> > > > FONT-FAMILY: Arial  }  #ygrp-mkp HR {  
> > > > BORDER-RIGHT: #d8d8d8 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #d8d8d8
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> > > > .ad A {   COLOR: #ff; TEXT-DECORATION: none  } >>
> > 
> > Kirk, what you just wrote above is total BS.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> >
> 
> To me it seems to be some kind of HTML code, or stuff.>>

Lol

OffWorld




[FairfieldLife] Re: Anybody get the ledger today...?

2008-03-14 Thread off_world_beings
Good job Rick , well balanced (except for the crazy huggin' saint 
bit - just nutzo) and it reminds me of why Fairfied was voted one of 
the 10 best places to live in US by mother earth magazine or 
something.

OffWorld


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Peter
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:32 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Anybody get the ledger today...?
> 
>  
> 
> Rick, can you post a link to it? Thanks
> 
> I don't think they put the editorial page online, but I posted the 
letter
> here. Here it is again, in case you didn't see it. Mr. Ed can post 
his.
> 
> In response to Sabrina Eklund's and Wilda Hadley's letter 
("Fairfield can
> survive without M.U.M.," Feb. 21):
> 
> Of course it could. And most of us could survive without one of our 
kidneys.
> But I'd rather have two. I agree with their contention that 
the "campus is
> not the only thing that makes this town golden," but I think they
> underestimate the influence of the meditating community, of which 
the campus
> is only a subset.
> 
> In response to their question, "If our town wasn't thriving before, 
why did
> you come here?," the obvious answer is that a bankrupt, deserted 
campus was
> available at a bargain – hardly a symptom of a "thriving" town. The
> community was eager to see it occupied, and welcomed the meditators 
with
> open arms. That welcome may have been abused on occasion, sometimes
> egregiously, but the meditators' net effect has been overwhelmingly
> positive. They have created or imported businesses that have 
employed
> thousands over the years, and have been a driving force behind many 
events
> and accomplishments of which all Fairfielders can be proud.
> 
> Clashes are inevitable whenever cultures intermingle. But over time,
> friendships, marriages, business partnerships, and simple proximity 
blur the
> lines of segregation, and eventually, separating the cultures 
becomes as
> difficult and potentially as lethal as separating conjoined twins. 
We have
> long since reached that point in Fairfield. "Born and raised here" 
now
> refers to hundreds of younger meditators, many of whom are having 
children
> of their own. Meditators have been here for 35 years and couldn't 
leave en
> masse if they wanted to, nor would most leave even if MUM were to 
shut down.
> But hypothetically, if they did leave, Fairfield's economy and 
culture would
> be devastated.
> 
> In case you think that all meditators are of one mind, they are 
actually a
> very diverse, eclectic group. Most are not vegetarians, they are 
among the
> congregations of most local churches, many are politically 
conservative,
> many don't care which way their houses face, and many don't even 
meditate
> anymore. I, for instance, have been meditating since the '60's, but 
am no
> longer part of the TM Organization. They booted me out five days 
after 9/11
> for being involved with Amma (the "Hugging Saint" who comes to Iowa 
each
> summer).
> 
> We don't live in a black and white world. If you want to be true to 
yourself
> and to reality, avoid simplistic generalizations. Every person, 
group,
> community, religion, and nation is an intricate mix of virtue and 
vice,
> wisdom and foolishness. We all tend to fortify our egos by 
regarding our own
> group as superior, but in fact, none of us has all the pieces of 
the puzzle,
> and we'll never solve it until we learn acceptance and cooperation.
> 
>  
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is far more than just Sahaj Samadhi Meditation

2008-03-14 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On Mar 13, 2008, at 9:37 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
> 
> > But FFL wouldn't be FFL life without the profanators, such as 
Kirk,
> > Turq, Burt, Al, Sal, Hal, Shemp, Bent, Hemp, and Dr. Sutphen.
> 
> When was the last time any of us  "profanated," off?
> AFAIK, >>

There you go again, 
AFAIK = "A@@ F&[EMAIL PROTECTED] alien idiot Kun#"

She should be banned for that one Rick !

<>

In your dreams hippie chic.

OffWorld




[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > > money...
> > 
> > Money, drugs and violence. That's the three things held dearly by 
> any 
> > Serb.
> 
> 
> Pray tell, which superior Aryan nation are you from, Nabnuts?

Whats that ? My race is not superior to ant other race. But do you deny 
that different nations has different tendencies that characteries them ?




[FairfieldLife] Sattvic happiness?

2008-03-14 Thread cardemaister
BG XVIII 37

yat tad agre viSam iva 
parinâme 'mRtopamam 
tat sukhaM sâttvikam proktam 
âtma-buddhi-prasâda-jam

Without sandhi:

yat tat agre viSam iva 
parinâme amRta+upamam 
tat sukhaM sâttvikam proktam 
âtma-buddhi-prasâda-jam

A.C's vocabulary:

yat--that which; tat--that; agre--in the beginning; visam iva--like 
poison; pariname--at the end; amrta--nectar; upamam--compared to; 
tat--that; sukham--happiness; sattvikam--in the mode of goodness; 
proktam--is said; atma--self; buddhi--intelligence; prasada-jam--
satisfactory. 

TRANSLATION [by A.C.]

 That which in the beginning may be just like poison but at the end 
is just like nectar and which awakens one to self-realization is 
said to be happiness in the mode of goodness. 
PURPORT 

--

N.B. The second line (without sandhi) 'pariNaame amRta-upamam'
is "interesting" because with sandhi it becomes 'pariNaame 
`mRtopamam', that is, the initial 'a' of 'amRta' disappears
after 'e'(and 'a' + 'u' > 'o'[cf. 'aum'{'au' rhymes with 'how'}  
> 'om']). Thus the word 'amRta' becomes "ad hoc" homonymic with the 
word 'mRta' which means, amongst other things, 'death'; 'amRta', 
which often is translated to 'nectar', literally means, amongst 
other things, 'immortality' (a-mRta: not-death).

It might be that in recitation those two seemingly "homonymic"
words [('mRta' and '[a]mRta')would have a different melodic accent. 
I have absolutely no idea whether that's the case or not.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is far more than just Sahaj Samadhi Meditation

2008-03-14 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > > Kirk  wrote:
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> 
> Kirk, what you just wrote above is total BS.
> 
> OffWorld
>

To me it seems to be some kind of HTML code, or stuff.



[FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Zoran Krneta" 
>  >wrote:
> >
> > ...closely look at the pictures from Maharishi's funeral...
> > and in adition make small intellectual exercise about movement's 
> money...
> >
> Yeah, i noticed that too.  Is a fascinating character story i think.
> 
>

Methinks da minuscule 'i' of thine is in tentional...



[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Nandikeeshore should be the Guru after MMY!

2008-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What irks me about Sri Sri is how his followers talk about 
> him like he's the shit. Factually speaking he's the shit 
> as much as  any of us, and that's what he'll be just as 
> we all will be, when we are through. 

Bingo. I found myself thinking as I read the
story told by someone here of sitting in a car
with him boppin' to some music as if he were a
normal guy, "He IS a normal guy." Believing
otherwise is what keeps you unenlightened."





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: if you want to know movement's future...

2008-03-14 Thread Zoran Krneta
Sorry, Zoran, but your suggestion is a bit too coy
for my simple perception. What would I see in the
pictures from Maharishi's funeral? Thanks.


There are two movements in the movement:

American/European one (rajas) and Indian one (Maharishi's family -
Shrivastavas, Girish Varma, Nand Kishore etc.)

Maaharishi's family has shown during funeral who is with them and whom they
are supporting.



Indian part of movement was always dragging money from westerners and
spending it in India on various things.

They are expecting that this will continue, but Maharishi is not there any
more to collect such amounts from westerners and forward it to India.

Confrontation between those two "movements" is inevitable.



In that light you should analyze this suggestion that Nand Kishore should be
Maaharishi's successor.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Feedback

2008-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bonnie Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   I have been watching from afar for the last several months 
> on all of the postings and finally today when I saw comments 
> flying around about Sri Sri...I took the plunge as HE  is 
> too dear to my heart.

Just to give you some perspective on the differ-
ence between you and the people you're looking
down on from on high, Bonnie, many of us believe 
that any spiritual teacher who would allow one 
of his blissninny students to refer to HIM in 
all-capital letters would be worth avoiding
at any cost.

Most of the spiritual teachers I know would hear
that and spit, and then throw the blissninny out 
into the cold, hard world for a while to get sane
before they allowed them to infect other students
with such nonsense.

And IMO they would be right to do so.

After your several months of lurking, it would
appear that you have learned very little about
this group of people. On the whole they're about
finding their own path, not slavishly following
someone else's. If you prefer the latter, no
problemo, but don't expect to get away with it 
here without someone saying something. It's like
encountering a fundamentalist Christian who can't
get through a sentece without invoking the name
of JEEZUS, and spelling it all in caps to boot.

Let's put it this way...I've been on this list
for a couple of years and encountered a few folks
here who like SSRS, without once having any nega-
tive feelings about him and his teachings and
what that might mean for his students. It took
YOU to raise that kinda red flag for me.