[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[Duveyoung]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "yifuxero" 
wrote:  [heavily snipped]
>  Currently I'm attempting to upgrade my Voodoo hex's; to the level of
a real Death Ray at a distance.  . . . I'm mainly into the "Black Magic"
- . . . there's a good chance the Death Ray will be ready in a year or
less.  First on my list: Osama Bin Laden.

> Any other candidates?

How'z'bout: The TMO's leaders present and past.

But, gads, how can anyone take you seriously if you're espousing being a
psychic hit man?

Cast a curse on your own dark needs that you're denying by pretending to
be creation's White Knight.  When we have a perfect God who can do
anything anytime who are you to pose as "better at aiming weaponry than
God?"  Hubris is your kool-ade.

Edg

> >
> > --- On Fri, 4/9/10, Yifu Xero yifuxero@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Yifu Xero yifuxero@
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] anger caused by enemies
> > To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 5:52 PM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regarding anger precipitated by psychic (or any type) of attacks by
enemies, I have found the best way to deal with it is to pray to the
Santeria Orishas to repel the attack and strike them.  By "strike" I
mean by psychic energy, not a physical attack or emotional outburst.
> > In other words, to place a  type of Voodoo hex on my
enemies.  The system works but it takes a lot of chanting mantras to
the Santeria Orishas.  No animal sacrifices.
> > Once, I commissioned a famous Santeria Sorcerer (passing through
Tijuana - he was from Cuba; his name was "El Negro"), to put  a hex
on MMY.
> > Then soon later I had a discussion with Charlie Lutes in which he
divulged to me that MMY said he was being psychically attacked and he
wanted his followers to stay close around him.
> > ...
> > http://i.ytimg. com/vi/2HLTzp3um lg/0.jpg
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies and Bodhisattva vows

[WillyTex]

> > So, you have not read the book 'History of the
> > Tantric Religion'...
> >
Bhairitu:
> ... it must be difficult living under a bridge.
>
Don't get so upset and angry, Bhairitu!

All I asked you if you had read the book. Millions of
people in India and quite a few Indologists think that
'Tantra' is a religion.

> I said when this book came up that HAVE the book
> and READ it years ago.
>
Maybe so, but you're not adding much to the
conversation with your angry outbursts.

Why are you 'Tantrics' so defensive?

You're supposed to be training to be a 'Tantric Acharya',
so we expect some kind of sensible comments on the
topic.

> I definitely had a qualm with the title. It should
> have been "The History of the Arts and Sciences of
> Tantra".
>
Maybe so. But you still have not given us a definition
of Tantra. What, exactly, is it?

> Buddhism and Hinduism aren't religions either.
>
Maybe so.

> People external to these institutions label it so.
>
Such as Professor Bhattacharyya?



> ...do you even HAVE this book? Or are you as usual
> a hypocrite?
>
Of course. Why would I cite such a work if I had not
at least read the book?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies and Bodhisattva vows

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
>   
 From what I've read, there are millions of people 
 in India that believe in your tantra religion!
  
 
> Bhairitu:
>   
>> Tantra is not a religion.
>> 
>>>  
>>>   
> So, you have not read the book 'History of the Tantric 
> Religion' - I thought so. You are supposed to read the 
> book BEFORE you post your comments.
>   

Keep up, Willy, though it must be difficult living under a bridge.   I 
said when this book came up that HAVE the book and READ it years ago.  I 
definitely had a qualm with the title.  It should have been  "The 
History of the Arts and Sciences of Tantra".  Buddhism and Hinduism 
aren't religions either.  People external to these institutions label it 
so.  Now of course for tax and regulations purposes in the US someone 
MIGHT declare their organization a religion.

BTW, do you even HAVE this book?  Or are you as usual a hypocrite?

>
>   
>>> Using 'killing mantras' is illegal in India...
>>>   
>>>   
>> Show me where it is illegal in India?
>>
>> 
> So, you have never read the Indian Constitution - I 
> thought so. 
>
> "The assasination of Indira Gandhi in 1984 and of her 
> son Rajiv in 1991 is said to have been foreseen by 
> astrologers all over India, and almost all agreed that 
> Mrs. Gandhi should have taken better care of herself 
> that November.
>
> Some would-be assassins might have been prompted by 
> these predictions, and subsequent to Mrs. Gandhi's 
> death, a law was passed in India making it a crime to 
> predict any more assassinations. 
>
> The act states that action will be taken against 
> anyone who 'predicts, prophesies, or pronounces or 
> otherwise expresses in such a manner as to incite, 
> advise, suggest, or prompt the killing or the 
> destruction of any person bound by oath under the 
> Indian Constitution'..."
>
> Read more:
>
> Subject: Jaganatha Hora
> Author: Willytex
> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> Date: October 15, 2005
> http://tinyurl.com/ye4q36y

Astrology predictions are not maran tantra, Willy,   Indian astrologers 
warn of assassinations all the time.  So if there actually is any law no 
one pays any attention to it.  You really are in need of some smarts.

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies and Bodhisattva vows

[WillyTex]

> > > From what I've read, there are millions of people 
> > > in India that believe in your tantra religion!
> > >  
Bhairitu:
> Tantra is not a religion.
> >  
So, you have not read the book 'History of the Tantric 
Religion' - I thought so. You are supposed to read the 
book BEFORE you post your comments.
   
> > Using 'killing mantras' is illegal in India...
> >   
> Show me where it is illegal in India?
>
So, you have never read the Indian Constitution - I 
thought so. 

"The assasination of Indira Gandhi in 1984 and of her 
son Rajiv in 1991 is said to have been foreseen by 
astrologers all over India, and almost all agreed that 
Mrs. Gandhi should have taken better care of herself 
that November.

Some would-be assassins might have been prompted by 
these predictions, and subsequent to Mrs. Gandhi's 
death, a law was passed in India making it a crime to 
predict any more assassinations. 

The act states that action will be taken against 
anyone who 'predicts, prophesies, or pronounces or 
otherwise expresses in such a manner as to incite, 
advise, suggest, or prompt the killing or the 
destruction of any person bound by oath under the 
Indian Constitution'..."

Read more:

Subject: Jaganatha Hora
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: October 15, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/ye4q36y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies and Bodhisattva vows

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
>   
>>> ...kill through incantation or deviant mantras.
>>>  
>>>   
> Bhairitu:
>   
>> ...keep that great unwashed under control with mind 
>> control (i.e. religion).  
>>
>> 
> >From what I've read, there are millions of people in
> India that believe in your tantra religion!
>   

Tantra is not a religion.
>  
>   
>> Of course Buddha lived in far more brutal times.  
>>
>> 
> Using 'killing mantras' is illegal in India, but not
> in the U.S.A., right? 
>   

Show me where it is illegal in India?

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies and Bodhisattva vows

[WillyTex]

> > ...kill through incantation or deviant mantras.
> >  
Bhairitu:
> ...keep that great unwashed under control with mind 
> control (i.e. religion).  
>
>From what I've read, there are millions of people in
India that believe in your tantra religion!
 
> Of course Buddha lived in far more brutal times.  
>
Using 'killing mantras' is illegal in India, but not
in the U.S.A., right? 

> > 1. First Major Precept On Killing
> > encourage others to kill, kill by 
> > expedient means, praise killing, 
> > rejoice at witnessing killing, or 
> >  He must not create the 
> > causes, conditions, methods, or karma 
> > of killing, and shall not intentionally 
> > kill any living creature.
> > Brahma Jala Sutra

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> > But the really malign ones do perfectly ghastly damage
> > and cause horrific suffering before they fail, so the
> > fact that they're ultimately self-limited by their egos
> > doesn't solve the problem. You just wanna make them stop
> > NOW.
> 
> Ahem. *YOU* might want to make them stop now. 
> I do not have such fantasies, or dream of having
> those kinds of siddhis.
> 
> I see believing that you (even theoretically) 
> have the right to decide who is good and who is 
> evil and who is "malign" and who is the potential
> ideal citizen of society as essentially no different
> than Dick Cheney or Joseph Stalin or Mao Tse-Tung
> or any tyrant in history doing so. 
> 
> It's a slippery slope, even theoretically. IMO, 
> the moment anyone thinks "Something should be done 
> about these malign people I don't like," they have
> BECOME one of those malign people themselves.
> 
> Just my opinion. So shoot me. With a death ray. :-)

All Barry's various pontifications on this topic
today should be seen in light of the following
from him back in December:

"If the worst fears of AGW believers come true, I
hope that those delegates from the U.S., from Japan,
from China, and from other industrialized nations
that kept real emission reduction from being even
*discussed* at this summit are the first to be
dragged out of their homes into the streets and
staked out on a beach somewhere, there to await
the 'rising tide.'"

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> Precisely!  I learned through direct experience, being a victim of abusive 
> managers.  Another fact is the suffering of others, even if we aren't 
> directly attacked.  A time comes when enough is enough, and one can no longer 
> tolerate the atrocities, not only for our own personal protection; but in the 
> larger scheme of things, for all "neighbors".  And where do the neighborhoods 
> end, and who is our neighbor?  I see no need or limitation on this 
> argument,..if the responsibility ends 2 doors down, why not 3?
>  If somebody calls out for help, should I only help those who yell louder 
> than 20 decibels? How about 19?

This is a very good thought. Change really starts at the grass roots level. 
Creativly, and hopefully in non-confrontation and non threatening (ego and 
beyond) ways, if everybody were to attempt to -- in their local sphere, root 
out abuse (on all levels) -- as well at roadblocks, clogged arteries of social 
interaction, misunderstandings, etc, the world would be a better place. And to 
help those in need. One step at a time. 

One of the catholic "secret" orders of lay persons I recently read about -- 
stemming from some traditions of knights -- was to pledge to come to the aid of 
anyone in need that crosses their path. You don't need to save the world all at 
once -- start by doing that which ought to be done -- at the local level, for 
people that cross your path. (easier said than done -- I am far from doing such 
-- but articulating it is useful for me.) 
  

> But my lessons were practical.  In the face of abuses going on all around me 
> in which stresses contributed to the deaths of several people, I came to the 
> realization that if self-protection ended at the surface of my skin, that 
> wouldn't result in victory over the force of evil.  I had to stand up for 
> others, so I started a campaign to root out the abuses if they occurred 
> anywhere at the Co.  

Though perhaps a somewhat different context, I have recently faced some really 
raw and archaic management practices. Really counter-productive. The challenge 
for me is to provide non-threatening, going forward feedback on how various 
actions effect my and others' productivity. I am writing annual goals at work 
that "force" me, enable me, to do this. 

And its all win/win. I am not in the back-stabbing environment you appear to 
be, have been, in. But I have been there in the past. My issue and insight is 
how  various styles of interaction, how some very raw management styles, 
constrain productivity and progress. I am focusing on identifying ways, and 
providing feedback on these constraints, and upbeat alternatives.  There have 
been ups and downs, but some good progress has been made.


>After several years now of a zero tolerance for evil (which I won't define 
>now, but in the work environment, all of the back stabbing, dishonest behavior 
>that we might see in the movies);the evil dudes and dudettes are gone and 
>I'm still here.
>   At any rate, my take on the situation: if I'm responsible for helping one 
> or two people when necessary, then everybody should be included within my 
> capacity.
> One might easily argue that extending karmic influences beyond my immediate 
> environment resulting in significant and often unpredictable changes, are 
> indeed risky and "fate" might turn out worse then non-interference.
>  I'm reminded of the (what was it called - Prime Directive?) - in Star Trek 
> where the Trekkers were not to "interfere" in the affairs of other planets, 
> particularly those on a lesser technological level of evolution.
> As to the interference, I've decided to interfere as much as possible and 
> take the risks of making wrong decisions.  If somebody sneezes in Bangladesh 
> I'm responsbile for helping.  If somebody is abused in Afghanistan by the 
> Taliban, then I'm coming after the abusers. 

Another, perhaps parallel approach, not mutually exclusive, in addition to 
helping to clean up the split milk, think of ways and work (often silently) 
that can prevent the milk from being spilled in the first place. 


>  The question of "level of evolution" doesn't apply.  It's a matter of pure 
> game theory: a cost/benefit analysis with risks and rewards.

And trying to transform zero-sum games to win/win situations. 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > The conspirators in the world tend to fail by their own
> > > means.  Usually because they are too blinded by their ego.
> > > Anyone who wants to dominate the world is not very 
> > > spiritually evolved.  Their perception and consciousness
> > > has to be limited.  Seems to me the higher the intellect
> > > the more the recognition that power has a price and a
> > > burden and a good thing to stay away from.  The power
> > > mongers have been trying to enslave the mas

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies and Bodhisattva vows

[Bhairitu]

Yup, keep that great unwashed under control with mind control (i.e. 
religion).  Of course Buddha lived in far more brutal times.  Anyone see 
the PBS show on Buddha.  I have it on this machine but haven't watched 
it yet (don't you just hate "sweeps.").

emptybill wrote:
> 1. First  Major Precept
>
>
>
> On Killing
>
> A disciple of the Buddha shall not himself kill, encourage others to
> kill, kill by expedient means, praise killing, rejoice at witnessing
> killing, or kill through incantation or deviant mantras. He must not
> create the causes, conditions, methods, or karma of killing, and shall
> not intentionally kill any living creature.
> Brahma Jala Sutra
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>   
>> If you have taken bodhisattva vows seriously in your
>> 
>   "heart"  then you are responsible for everyone - starting
> with all the beings here on this planet (incarnate and in the
> antariksha) and in the dwipa-s of the local system.
>   
>> The Orisha may help or hinder but all of this is solely
>> 
> your task even if no one else is helping.
>   
>> Read it and weep.
>>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" yifuxero@ wrote:
>> 
>>>   At any rate, my take on the situation: if I'm responsible for
>>>   
>> helping one or two people when necessary, then everybody should be
>> included within my capacity.
>> 
>>> One might easily argue that extending karmic influences beyond my
>>>   
>> immediate environment resulting in significant and often unpredictable
>> changes, are indeed risky and "fate" might turn out worse then
>> non-interference.
>>
>> 
>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies and Bodhisattva vows

[tartbrain]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> 1. First  Major Precept
> 
> 
> 
> On Killing
> 
> A disciple of the Buddha shall not himself kill, encourage others to
> kill, kill by expedient means, praise killing, rejoice at witnessing
> killing, or kill through incantation or deviant mantras. He must not
> create the causes, conditions, methods, or karma of killing, and shall
> not intentionally kill any living creature.
> Brahma Jala Sutra

For me this is beautiful and profound statement.  What I read between the lines 
(maybe purely projection -- but still its a useful connection for me) is that 
violence always begets violence. You can always make 1000 reasons why war and 
violence are justified at times --  -- the Obama doctrine in his Nobel Prize 
speech.  But in my view, this is looking at the small picture. 

If you have done 50 years of stupid things, war may be near inevitable . First, 
avoid the danger before it comes. If societies and nation states and the world 
community were more proactive in ceasing stupid things that sow the seeds of 
future violence -- this is the first step.

However, even if you have let things get out of hand and violence appears to be 
the only answer -- in truth it only perpetuates the same cycle. Where this 
Buddhist Sutra, Ghandi, MLK, Mandela, Jesus in his original teachings (as I 
intuit them) and others are stunningly insightful and correct , IMO, is that 
they reveal this vicious cycle of violence and war and suggest means to stop 
the cycle of violence and wars. 

War will never be the tool to stop all wars. Violence will never be the tool to 
stop all violence. As MMY, Godel and various management gurus have said -- 
Transcend, get out side the system, think outside the box, bootstrap dynamics, 
etc.

  
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > If you have taken bodhisattva vows seriously in your
>   "heart"  then you are responsible for everyone - starting
> with all the beings here on this planet (incarnate and in the
> antariksha) and in the dwipa-s of the local system.
> >
> > The Orisha may help or hinder but all of this is solely
> your task even if no one else is helping.
> >
> > Read it and weep.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" yifuxero@ wrote:
> > >
> > >   At any rate, my take on the situation: if I'm responsible for
> > helping one or two people when necessary, then everybody should be
> > included within my capacity.
> > > One might easily argue that extending karmic influences beyond my
> > immediate environment resulting in significant and often unpredictable
> > changes, are indeed risky and "fate" might turn out worse then
> > non-interference.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies and Bodhisattva vows

[emptybill]

1. First  Major Precept



On Killing

A disciple of the Buddha shall not himself kill, encourage others to
kill, kill by expedient means, praise killing, rejoice at witnessing
killing, or kill through incantation or deviant mantras. He must not
create the causes, conditions, methods, or karma of killing, and shall
not intentionally kill any living creature.
Brahma Jala Sutra



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> If you have taken bodhisattva vows seriously in your
  "heart"  then you are responsible for everyone - starting
with all the beings here on this planet (incarnate and in the
antariksha) and in the dwipa-s of the local system.
>
> The Orisha may help or hinder but all of this is solely
your task even if no one else is helping.
>
> Read it and weep.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" yifuxero@ wrote:
> >
> >   At any rate, my take on the situation: if I'm responsible for
> helping one or two people when necessary, then everybody should be
> included within my capacity.
> > One might easily argue that extending karmic influences beyond my
> immediate environment resulting in significant and often unpredictable
> changes, are indeed risky and "fate" might turn out worse then
> non-interference.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > The conspirators in the world tend to fail by their own
> > means.  Usually because they are too blinded by their ego.
> > Anyone who wants to dominate the world is not very 
> > spiritually evolved.  Their perception and consciousness
> > has to be limited.  Seems to me the higher the intellect
> > the more the recognition that power has a price and a
> > burden and a good thing to stay away from.  The power
> > mongers have been trying to enslave the masses for
> > decades and so far they haven't succeeded mainly because
> > of their own folly.
> 
> But the really malign ones do perfectly ghastly damage
> and cause horrific suffering before they fail, so the
> fact that they're ultimately self-limited by their egos
> doesn't solve the problem. You just wanna make them stop
> NOW.

Ahem. *YOU* might want to make them stop now. 
I do not have such fantasies, or dream of having
those kinds of siddhis.

I see believing that you (even theoretically) 
have the right to decide who is good and who is 
evil and who is "malign" and who is the potential
ideal citizen of society as essentially no different
than Dick Cheney or Joseph Stalin or Mao Tse-Tung
or any tyrant in history doing so. 

It's a slippery slope, even theoretically. IMO, 
the moment anyone thinks "Something should be done 
about these malign people I don't like," they have
BECOME one of those malign people themselves. 

Just my opinion. So shoot me. With a death ray. :-)

I've been watching this subject (anger) "from afar," 
because it has made me become aware of how long it's 
been since I have actually *felt* anger. I say this 
with some surprise; I had not really noticed or paid 
attention to its absence before now.

What seems to happen these days -- and I do *not* attrib-
ute this to any particular technique or tradition or Woo
Woo or self worth or anything; it's merely an observation 
of what seems to be happening -- is that situations that 
in the past might have triggered anger as a first response 
now trigger humor as not only the first response, but the 
lasting response. 

Interestingly enough, the "humor response" often seems to
be not only more appropriate to the potentially anger-
provoking situations, but more effective.

Case in point. This week, after a remarkably blissful and
non-intrusive takeover of the company I've worked for the
last 6 years by a Really Big Corporation, some bureaucrat 
finally did Something Stupid, something potentially anger-
provoking.

He/she/it (one never knows which within the Really Big 
Corporation because the memos are always signed first 
initial, last name) sent me a "form letter" email informing 
me that outside consultants such as myself now had to become 
"inside." That is, we must "attach ourselves" to the nearest 
Really Big Corporation office, and work from there instead 
of from our homes.

"Ahem," thought I. 

In the past, this might have provoked some anger. I have
been working primarily from my home for decades, and see
no reason to cease doing so. As a rash youth, I might have
hit the ceiling and become angry and "made a scene," with 
predictable results.

My first reaction this week was humor, so I reacted with
humor. I wrote politely back to the bureaucrat in question, 
telling them that I had done some research and that the 
nearest IBM office to my home was in Barcelona. Further-
more, I told him/her/it that I had done similar research on
commute time, and determined that working there every day
would cost me at least three hours per day that I could 
have otherwise spent working for the Really Big Corporation 
and being paid for. I thus suggested that *of course* I 
expected the Really Big Corporation to pay me for this 
lost commute time.

I further suggested (and this is where the humor part comes
in) that if they did not, it was No Biggie, because the
three hours commute time would give me lots of time in which
to search for a new contract with a more enlightened company. 

The response? A subdued, bureaucratic "Never mind."

Humor, and in this case a correct assessment on my part that
the Really Big Corporation needed me far more than I needed 
them, defused a potentially explosive situation and made it 
go away. No anger ever either arose or was needed. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[emptybill]

If you have taken bodhisattva vows seriously in your "heart" then you
are responsible for everyone - starting with all the beings here on this
planet (incarnate and in the antariksha) and in the dwipa-s of the local
system.

The Orisha may help or hinder but all of this is solely your task even
if no one else is helping.

Read it and weep.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
>   At any rate, my take on the situation: if I'm responsible for
helping one or two people when necessary, then everybody should be
included within my capacity.
> One might easily argue that extending karmic influences beyond my
immediate environment resulting in significant and often unpredictable
changes, are indeed risky and "fate" might turn out worse then
non-interference.

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[yifuxero]

Precisely!  I learned through direct experience, being a victim of abusive 
managers.  Another fact is the suffering of others, even if we aren't directly 
attacked.  A time comes when enough is enough, and one can no longer tolerate 
the atrocities, not only for our own personal protection; but in the larger 
scheme of things, for all "neighbors".  And where do the neighborhoods end, and 
who is our neighbor?  I see no need or limitation on this argument,..if the 
responsibility ends 2 doors down, why not 3?
 If somebody calls out for help, should I only help those who yell louder than 
20 decibels? How about 19?
But my lessons were practical.  In the face of abuses going on all around me in 
which stresses contributed to the deaths of several people, I came to the 
realization that if self-protection ended at the surface of my skin, that 
wouldn't result in victory over the force of evil.  I had to stand up for 
others, so I started a campaign to root out the abuses if they occurred 
anywhere at the Co.  After several years now of a zero tolerance for evil 
(which I won't define now, but in the work environment, all of the back 
stabbing, dishonest behavior that we might see in the movies);the evil 
dudes and dudettes are gone and I'm still here.
  At any rate, my take on the situation: if I'm responsible for helping one or 
two people when necessary, then everybody should be included within my capacity.
One might easily argue that extending karmic influences beyond my immediate 
environment resulting in significant and often unpredictable changes, are 
indeed risky and "fate" might turn out worse then non-interference.
 I'm reminded of the (what was it called - Prime Directive?) - in Star Trek 
where the Trekkers were not to "interfere" in the affairs of other planets, 
particularly those on a lesser technological level of evolution.
As to the interference, I've decided to interfere as much as possible and take 
the risks of making wrong decisions.  If somebody sneezes in Bangladesh I'm 
responsbile for helping.  If somebody is abused in Afghanistan by the Taliban, 
then I'm coming after the abusers. 
 The question of "level of evolution" doesn't apply.  It's a matter of pure 
game theory: a cost/benefit analysis with risks and rewards.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > The conspirators in the world tend to fail by their own
> > means.  Usually because they are too blinded by their ego.
> > Anyone who wants to dominate the world is not very 
> > spiritually evolved.  Their perception and consciousness
> > has to be limited.  Seems to me the higher the intellect
> > the more the recognition that power has a price and a
> > burden and a good thing to stay away from.  The power
> > mongers have been trying to enslave the masses for
> > decades and so far they haven't succeeded mainly because
> > of their own folly.
> 
> But the really malign ones do perfectly ghastly damage
> and cause horrific suffering before they fail, so the
> fact that they're ultimately self-limited by their egos
> doesn't solve the problem. You just wanna make them stop
> NOW.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> The conspirators in the world tend to fail by their own
> means.  Usually because they are too blinded by their ego.
> Anyone who wants to dominate the world is not very 
> spiritually evolved.  Their perception and consciousness
> has to be limited.  Seems to me the higher the intellect
> the more the recognition that power has a price and a
> burden and a good thing to stay away from.  The power
> mongers have been trying to enslave the masses for
> decades and so far they haven't succeeded mainly because
> of their own folly.

But the really malign ones do perfectly ghastly damage
and cause horrific suffering before they fail, so the
fact that they're ultimately self-limited by their egos
doesn't solve the problem. You just wanna make them stop
NOW.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[Bhairitu]

The conspirators in the world tend to fail by their own means.  Usually 
because they are too blinded by their ego.   Anyone who wants to 
dominate the world is not very spiritually evolved.  Their perception 
and consciousness has to be limited.  Seems to me the higher the 
intellect the more the recognition that power has a price and a burden 
and a good thing to stay away from.  The power mongers have been trying 
to enslave the masses for decades and so far they haven't succeeded 
mainly because of their own folly.

yifuxero wrote:
> thx for the info. Combined with Judy's astute comment, there are a number of 
> important philosophical and practical considerations.
> Let's briefly examine the situation: in nutshell, the world is in dire 
> straights due to complex factors.
> ...
> a. if anybody should be "killed" at all, this opens a Pandora's box since the 
> killer would judge whom to kill and take on the responsibility...; but not 
> more perhaps than a real Judge sentencing criminals.  Just a job.  But given 
> that die to leave room for the people like (us perhaps?) who wish to live in 
> peace and harmony, at one with Nature - like those Navi Blue people in 
> Avatar; there isn't enough room for the Navi's and those "other" people: the 
> criminals.
> ..
> b. given that the world must be rid of the criminals, now we must make a 
> list. Should it be very inclusive like a Chinese list, or perhaps murderers, 
> etc. and a few other categories? (the short list).
> But even Charles Manson didn't make the short list, so I'm siding with the 
> Chinese list. 
> ...
> c. Now for the judgement part.  Given that such a Death Ray will almost 
> certainly be developed; it would be dangerous for mere mortals to wield such 
> awesome power and responsibility.  The solution is to bring in Kali, who will 
> act as the Judge, as to whom to target.
> ...
> d. The Death Ray energy will be sent out magnified by the Voodoo spirits and 
> La Santa Muerte; but then pass through Kali's filter who will direct the 
> beams to only worthy victims.
> ...
> e. In due time, various worldwide karmic currents will come together and be 
> focused like a laser beam; eventually resulting in events of Apocalyptic 
> proportions, coupled with the Death Ray beams which destroy the evil and 
> assist the good.  Biblical prophecy will literally be fulfilled.  (I no 
> longer have a Bible)...but there's an interesting passage that goes something 
> like: "In the end times, one person will be left standing, and another taken 
> away".  Such statements could refer to a Rapture; or perhaps a Death Ray, 
> focusing on selected people: the targets chosen by Kali.  This part of the 
> Bible can be referred to as the "separation of the Wheat from the Chaff".  
> Kali is the Great Pruner.  She will be assisted in Her tasks by powerful 
> Spirits such as Obatala, Chango, Ellegua, etc (the Santeria Orishas); and the 
> Death Goddess Herself: La Santa Muerte.
> ...
> For those unfamiliar with Voodoo; the usual hex is to block pathways, not 
> kill people. Eleggua is the spirit guarding Pathways, especially junctures of 
> pathways - either literal roads, or karmic roads, the places people 
> habitually travel, or the pathways they hope to pave anew in their quest for 
> earthly fortunes. La Muerte rules literal death, so when (blocking pathways - 
> the power of Eleggua) is coupled with (literal death - the Power of La 
> Muerte), AND the power of the Cosmic Pruner - Kali, then a genuine recipe for 
> Apocalyptic events will be created.
> ...
> To conclude, the main ingredients for such an Apocalyptic recipe are
> (no...not Brando and Sheen); but a. sufficient energy, b. an abundance of 
> "worthy" targets, c. a psychic technology of attack in which laser-like 
> selectivity strikes the evil, sparing the good. 
> And coupled with c. a means by which Judges take on Themselves, the karmic 
> responsibility for making the Judgements as to whom and when.  
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>   
>> authfriend wrote:
>> 
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 Haven't seen El Negro in a long time.  Currently I'm attempting
 to upgrade my Voodoo hex's; to the level of a real Death Ray at
 a distance.  My strategy is to combine devotion to the Santeria 
 (Voodoo in some parts) - and depending on the usage: "Black" or 
 (other).  I'm mainly into the "Black Magic" - in Star Wars 
 jargon, the Dark Side; but don't be deceived!. Wishing people
 dead can be Dharmic, since on my hit list would be people like:
 future suicide bombers, drug pushers, rapists, terrorists etc.
 By combining devotion to the Santeria Orishas with La Santa
 Muerte, there's a good chance the Death Ray will be ready in a
 year or less.  First on my list: Osama Bin Laden. Any other 
 candidates?
 
 
>>> I can think of quite a few people who should be ren

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[yifuxero]

thx for the info. Combined with Judy's astute comment, there are a number of 
important philosophical and practical considerations.
Let's briefly examine the situation: in nutshell, the world is in dire 
straights due to complex factors.
...
a. if anybody should be "killed" at all, this opens a Pandora's box since the 
killer would judge whom to kill and take on the responsibility...; but not more 
perhaps than a real Judge sentencing criminals.  Just a job.  But given that 
die to leave room for the people like (us perhaps?) who wish to live in peace 
and harmony, at one with Nature - like those Navi Blue people in Avatar; there 
isn't enough room for the Navi's and those "other" people: the criminals.
..
b. given that the world must be rid of the criminals, now we must make a list. 
Should it be very inclusive like a Chinese list, or perhaps murderers, etc. and 
a few other categories? (the short list).
But even Charles Manson didn't make the short list, so I'm siding with the 
Chinese list. 
...
c. Now for the judgement part.  Given that such a Death Ray will almost 
certainly be developed; it would be dangerous for mere mortals to wield such 
awesome power and responsibility.  The solution is to bring in Kali, who will 
act as the Judge, as to whom to target.
...
d. The Death Ray energy will be sent out magnified by the Voodoo spirits and La 
Santa Muerte; but then pass through Kali's filter who will direct the beams to 
only worthy victims.
...
e. In due time, various worldwide karmic currents will come together and be 
focused like a laser beam; eventually resulting in events of Apocalyptic 
proportions, coupled with the Death Ray beams which destroy the evil and assist 
the good.  Biblical prophecy will literally be fulfilled.  (I no longer have a 
Bible)...but there's an interesting passage that goes something like: "In the 
end times, one person will be left standing, and another taken away".  Such 
statements could refer to a Rapture; or perhaps a Death Ray, focusing on 
selected people: the targets chosen by Kali.  This part of the Bible can be 
referred to as the "separation of the Wheat from the Chaff".  Kali is the Great 
Pruner.  She will be assisted in Her tasks by powerful Spirits such as Obatala, 
Chango, Ellegua, etc (the Santeria Orishas); and the Death Goddess Herself: La 
Santa Muerte.
...
For those unfamiliar with Voodoo; the usual hex is to block pathways, not kill 
people. Eleggua is the spirit guarding Pathways, especially junctures of 
pathways - either literal roads, or karmic roads, the places people habitually 
travel, or the pathways they hope to pave anew in their quest for earthly 
fortunes. La Muerte rules literal death, so when (blocking pathways - the power 
of Eleggua) is coupled with (literal death - the Power of La Muerte), AND the 
power of the Cosmic Pruner - Kali, then a genuine recipe for Apocalyptic events 
will be created.
...
To conclude, the main ingredients for such an Apocalyptic recipe are
(no...not Brando and Sheen); but a. sufficient energy, b. an abundance of 
"worthy" targets, c. a psychic technology of attack in which laser-like 
selectivity strikes the evil, sparing the good. 
And coupled with c. a means by which Judges take on Themselves, the karmic 
responsibility for making the Judgements as to whom and when.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> authfriend wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >   
> >> Haven't seen El Negro in a long time.  Currently I'm attempting
> >> to upgrade my Voodoo hex's; to the level of a real Death Ray at
> >> a distance.  My strategy is to combine devotion to the Santeria 
> >> (Voodoo in some parts) - and depending on the usage: "Black" or 
> >> (other).  I'm mainly into the "Black Magic" - in Star Wars 
> >> jargon, the Dark Side; but don't be deceived!. Wishing people
> >> dead can be Dharmic, since on my hit list would be people like:
> >> future suicide bombers, drug pushers, rapists, terrorists etc.
> >> By combining devotion to the Santeria Orishas with La Santa
> >> Muerte, there's a good chance the Death Ray will be ready in a
> >> year or less.  First on my list: Osama Bin Laden. Any other 
> >> candidates?
> >> 
> >
> > I can think of quite a few people who should be rendered
> > harmless for the sake of the world's well-being, but isn't
> > there a way to do that without killing them?
> 
> Stambhan or Uchattan.  Stambhan will paralyze them or stall them in 
> their activities.  Uchattan will distract them.  Either one might make 
> them fail in their goals.  But keep in mind that people who know these 
> techniques are advised against using them to effect world situations as 
> you might actually wind up making the situation worse.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> authfriend wrote:

> > I can think of quite a few people who should be rendered
> > harmless for the sake of the world's well-being, but isn't
> > there a way to do that without killing them?
> 
> Stambhan or Uchattan.  Stambhan will paralyze them or stall
> them in their activities.  Uchattan will distract them.
> Either one might make them fail in their goals.  But keep
> in mind that people who know these techniques are advised
> against using them to effect world situations as you might
> actually wind up making the situation worse.

Well, I'm thinking long-term, like making them decide to
quit whatever they're doing and go live in a cabin in the
mountains or something.

Sure, that could wind up making the situation worse, but
we get a crack at it here in the U.S. every four years.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[Bhairitu]

authfriend wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>   
>> Haven't seen El Negro in a long time.  Currently I'm attempting
>> to upgrade my Voodoo hex's; to the level of a real Death Ray at
>> a distance.  My strategy is to combine devotion to the Santeria 
>> (Voodoo in some parts) - and depending on the usage: "Black" or 
>> (other).  I'm mainly into the "Black Magic" - in Star Wars 
>> jargon, the Dark Side; but don't be deceived!. Wishing people
>> dead can be Dharmic, since on my hit list would be people like:
>> future suicide bombers, drug pushers, rapists, terrorists etc.
>> By combining devotion to the Santeria Orishas with La Santa
>> Muerte, there's a good chance the Death Ray will be ready in a
>> year or less.  First on my list: Osama Bin Laden. Any other 
>> candidates?
>> 
>
> I can think of quite a few people who should be rendered
> harmless for the sake of the world's well-being, but isn't
> there a way to do that without killing them?

Stambhan or Uchattan.  Stambhan will paralyze them or stall them in 
their activities.  Uchattan will distract them.  Either one might make 
them fail in their goals.  But keep in mind that people who know these 
techniques are advised against using them to effect world situations as 
you might actually wind up making the situation worse.

[FairfieldLife] Re: anger caused by enemies

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> Haven't seen El Negro in a long time.  Currently I'm attempting
> to upgrade my Voodoo hex's; to the level of a real Death Ray at
> a distance.  My strategy is to combine devotion to the Santeria 
> (Voodoo in some parts) - and depending on the usage: "Black" or 
> (other).  I'm mainly into the "Black Magic" - in Star Wars 
> jargon, the Dark Side; but don't be deceived!. Wishing people
> dead can be Dharmic, since on my hit list would be people like:
> future suicide bombers, drug pushers, rapists, terrorists etc.
> By combining devotion to the Santeria Orishas with La Santa
> Muerte, there's a good chance the Death Ray will be ready in a
> year or less.  First on my list: Osama Bin Laden. Any other 
> candidates?

I can think of quite a few people who should be rendered
harmless for the sake of the world's well-being, but isn't
there a way to do that without killing them?