Re: Pepper died
Candace, I am so very sorry. elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Pepper died I just wanted to let you know that Pepper died a few hours ago. He started getting better with this current episode but was not so good earlier today. I was not expecting him to go so suddenly. I was not at home at the time so not sure what happened. I want to thank everyone for their advice and support. This group is great for those of us who want to take responsibility for the health care of our pets and give them the best chance possible for a good outcome. Thank you all Candace Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Pepper died
Candace, I'm sorry to hear of Pepper's passing, and especially that it happened so suddenly. You obviously were doing a lot for him. He was fortunate to have you as a guardian. If he lived to be 12 years old, then he is also a hope for many of us here. Blessings for Pepper and for you. Lance I just wanted to let you know that Pepper died a few hours ago. He started getting better with this current episode but was not so good earlier today. I was not expecting him to go so suddenly. I was not at home at the time so not sure what happened. I want to thank everyone for their advice and support. This group is great for those of us who want to take responsibility for the health care of our pets and give them the best chance possible for a good outcome. Thank you all Candace
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Re: OT Big problem, help
thank you for this. this group i mentioned is the only rescue operation i've been acquainted with - so from my view i did not know if these were idiosyncrasies of this group or a common practice. i don't mean to run verbally run them down - i've just being going through some disillusionment with their practices. i truly believe their hearts are in the right place - i just think they need a good common sense model of best practices. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: OT Big problem, help On 11/24/06, ETrent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I know it isn't a perfect world...and I totally support the ideal of rescuing kitties and making their lives better...I just wish that there was some kind of guideline that ensured the welfare of the rescued kitties. My whole experience has left me very resentful of cat rescues...and I am hoping to get some feedback from those of you who are involved in this sort of thing. I realize that I am myopic and perhaps you can help me see more clearly.This certainly sounds bad. There is a rescue around here that I think of as...well, questionable. They take dogs out of the pound every day and take them around and display them in front of local PetSmarts (which in and of itself is a pretty good idea, I think). The ones who aren't adopted go back to the pound at night:(. Unfortunately several of these dogs have been adopted out and come down with distemper and parvo. This made the local news and the owner of this group stated that people were taking a risk if they adopted and they should be aware of that. I wasn't thrilled with that statement either.BUT this group has done a lot of good, even if I am not thrilled with their methods. Lots of dogs have found forever homes that would otherwise have been killed. Same with the group I am now having problems with. They've rehomed 5,000 cats.I'm just trying to make it my policy to not verbally run down other rescue groups or expend my efforts trying to get them shut down. I'm in this to help cats, not get involved in politics. I have to remind myself of that just about daily. My model is Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah, and they didn't get to where they are today by spending all their time trash talking other rescues (not that I am suggesting you are trash talking, this is just something I see on a daily basis from people involved in rescue - they'll tell people "Oh, don't adopt a cat from x rescue..they are a "bad rescue").Anyway, if you do not support this group's practices, don't give them any money. Don't let them guilt you into giving them money either. If you want to keep your money local, I would find another rescue group. Check them out before you give them money. Cats should not be taken to adoption days when ill - that's bad practice. If they want people to give them money, the donors should be allowed to examine the living conditions of the cats. I let people come by (with reasonable notice, I don't want people knocking on my door 24/7 or dumping off cats) and check out my babies' living conditions.I send a complete copy of all medical records home with every cat I adopt, always. I get paperwork from my vet and put it in the cat's file. I am not sure if he would release the paperwork to an adopter or not, but it is my job to do that not his.If you don't mind sending the money you have earmarked to save cats out of state, I would recommend checking out Best Friends in Kaneb, Utah. http://www.bestfriends.org -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Genevieve
Thank you all for your prayers and good thoughts for beautiful Vitter Vits.I have been going to visit her everyday all this week.Last night Dr. Jen took her to her house and to the clinic today to help her along with trying to fight this URI along with Otitis in her left ear.Jen is trying to talk me into bringing her home to be with me after she gets her feeling better.I just don't think that I can do it.I have the 3 fiv+ and the neg and am so glad that they are clear of felv.I would feel aweful if one of them or any at all might get it. I know they ALL have lived amongst the felv+ but I just am so afraid to risk it. But I sure do love that beautiful baby girl.I cry when I hold her and she sings that beautiful song of purrs. :) Just thinking about her now is bringing tears.She has taken a special place in my heart,that will be so broken when it is her time to go.I am amazed my heart is still working after all the loss I have had to deal with.But the love that I have for those wonderful furry critters always keeps me going.And just having all of you here to let me whine,cry or whatever it may be.Thank you all so much.Sorry this is soo long.Please keep praying for my girl. Take care, Sherry - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
RE: Pepper died
I'm sorry you lost Pepper Tracy - Original Message - From: Candace Doler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 11/26/2006 8:31:53 PM Subject: Pepper died I just wanted to let you know that Pepper died a few hours ago. He started getting better with this current episode but was not so good earlier today. I was not expecting him to go so suddenly. I was not at home at the time so not sure what happened. I want to thank everyone for their advice and support. This group is great for those of us who want to take responsibility for the health care of our pets and give them the best chance possible for a good outcome. Thank you all Candace
Re: blood testing for FeLV etc
Humm, ok, maybe it is 3 drops. I swear, I've seen vets do it and they only used a drop, but maybe they were not doing it right. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Pepper died
I'm so sorry for your loss Candace. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Pepper died
Candace I am so sorry about your sweet Pepper.Hugs to you Sherry Candace Doler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just wanted to let you know that Pepper died a few hours ago. He started getting better with this current episode but was not so good earlier today. I was not expecting him to go so suddenly. I was not at home at the time so not sure what happened. I want to thank everyone for their advice and support. This group is great for those of us who want to take responsibility for the health care of our pets and give them the best chance possible for a good outcome. Thank you all Candace - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
Re: Dr. Ward's consult/Michelle
Michelle, I have dealt with enough cancer in humans and dogs to know there are not guaranteesbut I always try to stay as positive as I can given any circumstances. I do have my down times and also try to be realistic. My goal for Asia is to give her the best life she can have for the longest she can have it, whatever it may be.I am just mostly happy at this stage that I thought it through and did some research before euthanizing and that we can do some treatments to assist her have some quality of life. I have done doggie hospice with 3 dogs since 2003, 2 of them last year and one was a cancerous tumor on his spine at C2 and one was Chronic Renal Failure that we treated for 2 yrs. these two were brothers and I had them since birth. I also had there mother and she had liver disease which I also treated for 2 yrs. along with heart disease. My cat that I had for 15 yrs was a diabetic the last 5 yrs. of her life and I gave her shots am and pm daily. Not that I want to do anymore hospice with any living thing but I have had the experience with dogs and also my father. My husband also had cancer and fought it for 2 yrs. My mother is a 4 time cancer survivor who is now 82 and going strong. I appreciate you wanting me to be informed and appreciate your honesty about the disease. I do lots of research on the diseases of my animals and my human family members and try to stay as informed as possible. I am also still grieving last years numerous deaths in my family so it was very difficult to euthanize Asia and it was also very difficult to face the possible caretaking again, but after a couple days of consideration and being sad, my decision was made to go forward with another opinion and treatment. So that is where I am with this, I will treat her as long as it is helping her, if she no longer has a quality of life then I will give her the loving peace of heaven. Thanks, Dianne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Dr. Ward's consult It is curable in humans because they use more chemo, I think. I have heard of dogs being cured, and I have heard of cats years out, who could be called cured. It just is not very common with cats, and even less common with positives because their remissions are shorter. In positives, it is their compromised immune system that fosters the lymphoma-- FeLV+ cats are 600 times more likely to get lymphoma than negatives. I think that the remissions must be shorter because the FeLV that made the cat susceptible to lymphoma in the first place is still there and brings it back. I am sorry if I took hope away from you. I struggled with whether or not to say anything, because you seem so happy about her progress. But I think you should be happy about her progress, but just know that her time is probably limited, though hopefully not too limited. I think that it is reasonable to hope for a good 6 months to a year, and to hope for even more while knowing it may not happen. I did not want you to be shocked if she comes out of remission in a few months. Remember, though, that there are other drugs to try if/when she does, which can give her more time. Michelle In a message dated 11/26/2006 11:12:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: no, I guess I did not know it was not curable. My mom had lymphoma and hers has been in remission since 1999. I have been reading about the various lengths of remission but did not really realize it was not curable. Dianne
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
unless things have changed significantly in the past couple of years, all snaps that i know of (including idexx) require more than a single drop--otherwise, far more shelters/rescues WOULD be doing them themselves. if you have newer info, i'd love to see it. i know that there are LESS expensive tests than the idexx out there, tho it's the one that all but one of the high-volume rescue vets i know of use The thing is, I believe you only need ONE blood drop to do the SNAP test, and you can pull that using a lancet on the ear flap, just like if you wanted to do a blood glucose reading for diabetes. So... no vet needed, no vet tech needed, anyone can be taught to use a lancet on the ear to get a blood droplet. The problem is that everyone's always still doing things the hard way because it's habit, and no one wants to use modern technology and methods. There is NO NEED to draw blood from a vein for tests that only require a drop of blood, this includes the test for anemia, and any SNAP tests. Webpages that show lancets, getting the blood droplet, etc: http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/harry/bgtest.htm http://maxshouse.com/bgtest[1].mpg Phaewryn VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
Me too. I wouldn't have it. Pine floors with lots of shellac works. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed I've heard horror stories about wood laminate, the cat/dog pee eats through the finish and destroys it. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
Re: OT: Happy Thanksgiving guys
A mouse dumb enough to come around a place with cats needs to be removed from the genetic pool.And they are just protecting you from those invaders. :))) If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: ETrent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: Re: OT: Happy Thanksgiving guys euw. i've been up late reading...heard a commotion in the den a bit ago but i figure the kids are just playing. had to get up to get a drink of water and saw four cats sitting around staring at othello who was busy chomping away at something. got my water and thought -- what IS that he is chewing on? i know i heard a crunch. hellloit's a mouse :-/ they just can't understand why i would get rid of the source of their delight and entertainmenttheir early thanksgiving snack! oh well...i've never had to worry too much about mice in this house even if there is a huge field behind the house. elizabeth In a message dated 11/23/06 01:53:49 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I count you all in my blessings too. Gina, Tigger, Taylor, Bob and Pippin ETrent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thank you - and a Happy Thanksgiving to you. I am very blessed indeed to have found this group. much love to all from elizabeth, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, shakiti, othello, tori, and mama kitty In a message dated 11/22/06 18:14:06 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey guys, I just wanted to wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving, and let all of you know that I give thanks for having you in my life. You are all a blessing, not to mention collectively, an enormous wealth of knowledge. May you be blessed for your selflessness and kindness. :) Wendy Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited Visit my Tigger Tales site! Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
re: blood testing for FeLV etc
from a vet tech pal: "Hi MC, Nope, the info is not accurate. You need 3 drops of blood to do a Snap test and the easiest way to get it is with a 1cc syringe and 25 Ga. needle. We usually use one of the back legs for this, but with small kittens we use the jugular. Using a lancet will almost always give you one only one drop of blood, which is only enough for testing blood glucose, and getting that drop is not always as easy as it sounds. Even for professionals. The test for anemia, a PCV or hematocrit, uses a lot more than a few drops of blood. We get this by using only a 25 Ga. needle, no syringe. The needle slips easily into a vein (usually!) and you remove the needle once the hub is about half full of blood. The blood is then transferred to a small, thin tube. In order to get enough blood for a hematocrit from an ear you would have to use a lancet multiple times, or be working on a cat with a bleeding disorder." > The thing is, I believe you only need ONE blood drop to do the SNAP test, > and you can pull that using a lancet on the ear flap, just like if you > wanted to do a blood glucose reading for diabetes. So... no vet needed, no > vet tech needed, anyone can be taught to use a lancet on the ear to get a > blood droplet. The problem is that everyone's always still doing things the > hard way because it's habit, and no one wants to use modern technology and > methods. There is NO NEED to draw blood from a vein for tests that only > require a drop of blood, this includes the test for anemia, and any SNAP > tests. -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: You are my support group-please add Schumacher to the CLS
This is so awful for you. I am sorry. But remember that Schumacher is close and loves you dearly. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: Re: You are my support group-please add Schumacher to the CLS I'm so sorry for your loss, Brenda. tonya Tim Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I know I only post to this group when I have a tragedy, but I read almost all the posts online daily. I feel like you all are my support group although I don't have any FeLV+ cats any more. I lost my last one in June. Anyway, our FIV+ Schumacher as gone to Rainbow Bridge today. About 6 weeks ago he went to the vet because he was a little depressed and wasn't eating well. The bloodwork showed kidney problems (elevated BUN & creatinine) and below normal PCV. He spent 5 days in the hospital and the vet pulled him through. He's been on prednisolone, cyproheptadine, Pepsid AC, Procrit & sub-Q fluids. Over the weekend, he just took a nose dive and wouldn't eat or drink anything. He was drooling and gagging at the sight of any food. I took him back to the vet this morning and she didn't think anythig else could be done. His anemia appeared to be gone, but he was just very depressed and vocalizing (normally quiet) alot when I tried to hold him. He had clearly had enough of the needles & pills. The vet recommend PTS and I decided it was the best thing. He was a very loving orange tabby with a little "cat"titude on the side and was my husband's favorite. This is never easy and it's already been a rough year. We've lost 2 others since June. Please add our Schumacher to the CLS as a non-positive. Thanks for always being there to listen when I need you all. Brenda
Pepper died
I just wanted to let you know that Pepper died a few hours ago. He started getting better with this current episode but was not so good earlier today. I was not expecting him to go so suddenly. I was not at home at the time so not sure what happened. I want to thank everyone for their advice and support. This group is great for those of us who want to take responsibility for the health care of our pets and give them the best chance possible for a good outcome. Thank you all Candace
Re: To Kelley re. floors
The sealer can add the shine that the shellac adds. Check under Acid blush and concrete stain on the internet and disregard what they say about only pros can put it down. Remember that the more the shine the slippery the service so perhaps some sort of sand can be added If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: To Kelley re. floors Hey Kelley, My husband and I tiled our house ourselves this past spring and summer. We did almost the whole house, except for the master bedroom, master closet-pretty small, and one of the other bedrooms. Our whole house is a little over 1500 square feet, so it was quite a job, but we did it, and it looks great. I would say it cost under $4000, but we picked out porcelain tile and what we liked. It could have been done for about $2000-$3000 had we gone cheaper on the tile. Also, I went to a friend's house last month that had the stained concrete like Phaewryn was talking about, and it looked absolutely fantastic. They stained it a brownish color, and the concrete had been etched (scored) to look like large tiles, 2x2 or bigger, and then covered with a really shiny shellac. It looked GREAT, and I bet it was not expensive. The only thing about concrete is that it's porous, so the shellac had to also needs to be a sealer. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I really want tile, but it is SO EXPENSIVE. On 11/22/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've heard horror stories about wood laminate, the cat/dog pee eats > through the finish and destroys it. > > Phaewryn > > Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! > http://ucat.us/adopt.html > Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance > for cat owners: > http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html > Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html > The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html > Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html > -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
Re: OT: my feral calico mama Angelica is back!!
I hope the AC warned her and asked her to warn her friends about your neighbor. I have a feral missing and it is the most awful feeling. I am so glad Angelica is back home. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "cindy reasoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: Re: OT: my feral calico mama Angelica is back!! Hideyo, I am so glad that Angelica is back. That is wonderful news. Cindy Reasoner --- Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, everyone, I just wanted to tell you that I just saw my missing calico mama, angelica waiting for me on my porch - after talking to AC, and haven't seen her for the past 4 days, I was so convninced that she was not with us anymore after my neighbor poisoning cats in my neighborhood -- cannot express how relieved and glad to see her during this despair time.. moments like this gives me a reason why I do what I do for my ferals..thank you for all your prayers... Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
It is curable in humans because they use more chemo, I think. I have heard of dogs being cured, and I have heard of cats years out, who could be called cured. It just is not very common with cats, and even less common with positives because their remissions are shorter. In positives, it is their compromised immune system that fosters the lymphoma-- FeLV+ cats are 600 times more likely to get lymphoma than negatives. I think that the remissions must be shorter because the FeLV that made the cat susceptible to lymphoma in the first place is still there and brings it back. I am sorry if I took hope away from you. I struggled with whether or not to say anything, because you seem so happy about her progress. But I think you should be happy about her progress, but just know that her time is probably limited, though hopefully not too limited. I think that it is reasonable to hope for a good 6 months to a year, and to hope for even more while knowing it may not happen. I did not want you to be shocked if she comes out of remission in a few months. Remember, though, that there are other drugs to try if/when she does, which can give her more time. Michelle In a message dated 11/26/2006 11:12:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: no, I guess I did not know it was not curable. My mom had lymphoma and hers has been in remission since 1999. I have been reading about the various lengths of remission but did not really realize it was not curable. Dianne
Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
These mats are poisonous to cats? Do you mean if they are ingested or just in the room? t Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 03:55 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote: Just got back from the vets. Tiger is recovering from the surgery, he is here in my ICUIt is those big square mats that look like puzzle edges to put together, they also come in colorsFloor mats. I wil scan the picture and email them,,the one from last year and the ones from this year, Very expensive mats,,, Kelly What is the story with the mats? I know Mai Mai was deathly ill after eating and throwing up a hand warmer cover but I haven't heard about foam mats. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? At 03:19 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote: I agree.. I did not know how dangerous those foam mats from Costco areMy Tiger has just had his second surgery, the mats are gone,,my pocketbook is dry, We are all here to share and help each other,, Kelly Please know that no one is picking on you. We are asking so many questions out of total concern for you and your little ones. Each of use brings some different experiences to the table. I was never very aware of the dangers of philodendrons with cats until Dixie started showing some interest in house plants. No other cat had. Needless to say, I am having to re-home some plants I really like. Today she reacted very badly to a cologne a friend had on...she wanted nothing to do with him and she is a very social cat. She even hissed at him and, in the almost two years I have known her, I have never heard her hiss at a person. Arsenic is organic as are a large number of poisons. And people have awful reactions to somethings like new carpet fumes or glues. ls it possible that someone has used an insecticide or something that you would not know about? We all know how much you love your cats and what good care you take of them. Please don't take any of the questions or comments wrong. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP? It is very easy to get paranoid with FIP. I always worry about it if someone misses a meal or seems to be sleeping more than usual. But don't let yourself be so convinced that everyone who has died in the past month or two or three is the result of FIP. I think you have something else going on. Some may have had FIP but others? Keep looking. I think there is more to it. Dry FIP usually takes at least 2-4 months from the first little sign of trouble -- lethargy, loss of appetite -- before the cat dies. Weight loss is gradual. At the end the cat is truly anorexic in appearance but it takes time to get there. Neurological signs do not occur in all cases. And it is highly unusual to lose so many in such a short period of time. Not unheard of but rare and usually involving a commercial cattery with a lot of questionable breeding practices. You need to start doing a necropsy on everyone who dies. That is the only way you can be certain if it was dry FIP. Until then, don't make that assumption. Otherwise you may miss something that is treatable or preventable. Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Susan, none of my cats had a rapid onset of the illness I knew that something was wrong with Naomi before my vet event thought something was wrong for about two months.. she thought it was nutricious thing but she never really got that big.. it was very subtle, and chronic.. and the same was Dharma they ate okay, and move around just fine.. just not as active as a kitten should be.. if you know what I mean.. Dharma was doing very well when Naomi was sick, but gradually she became a bit inactive and started running low grade fe
Re: add to CLS - Valley, Susan's baby (Nina)
Susan, My condolences as well. I was hoping Valley had turned the corner. I'm so sorry. tonya Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Susan, I am so sorry to hear about Valley's loss. I was so hoping for his continued recovery. Too much heartbreak in your corner of late. I hope that your students can help you heal, you are giving both them and your cats an amazing gift in bringing these two worlds together. Sleep sweet, Valley. Leslie G. Lane wrote: > Susan's away from her computer, as it's Thanksgiving and she doesn't > have a computer at home. > > But I just wanted to write and tell you guys that she lost beloved > "Valley" today. He's an adult FELV flame point Siamese, and he died > tonight probably from a disease caused by his FELV condition. His > hematocrit was very low, and today he started having trouble > breathing. She can address the details better than I, but I just > wanted to put this out on the list.. > > Valley was a wonderful, gorgeous baby, who had been with her for > maybe 3 years (?), and served as a Library Cat at the Blind School > where Susan is Librarian. He will be very much missed. > > Sleep soft, sweet Valley.
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
something that all rescues/shelters should know is that idexx, at least, has a great discount program for 501(c)3s--i'm fuzzy on the current details, but it used to be that you had to buy in bulk (30 test kits, which during kitten season any group can easily go through!), with each test costing under $7/per for the combo test. most shelters/rescues that deal with dogs know how to draw bloods for heartworm testing, so it's not out of the question for them to do their own blood draws for kitties. vet techs will often donate their time to do the blood draws, too, if you ask around... The thing is, I believe you only need ONE blood drop to do the SNAP test, and you can pull that using a lancet on the ear flap, just like if you wanted to do a blood glucose reading for diabetes. So... no vet needed, no vet tech needed, anyone can be taught to use a lancet on the ear to get a blood droplet. The problem is that everyone's always still doing things the hard way because it's habit, and no one wants to use modern technology and methods. There is NO NEED to draw blood from a vein for tests that only require a drop of blood, this includes the test for anemia, and any SNAP tests. Webpages that show lancets, getting the blood droplet, etc: http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/harry/bgtest.htm http://maxshouse.com/bgtest[1].mpg Phaewryn VT low cost Spay&Neuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
On 11/26/06, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i think that part of the problem is the over-riding lack of information mentioned so often (by me, too, if i recall): for a long time it was assumed that if mom was positive, or if one kitten was positive, then the whole litter was i'm not even sure that that wasn't the case at one point--i know that "mixed" litters seem to be showing up far more often now than they did five years ago and, thankfully, more kittens who initially test positive are testing negative later on. Unfortunately people still assume this. Misinformation abounds, and often people don't want to be educated. (I think part of it is not spending the money for additional combo tests). I would probably still assume this had I not found this list (thanks again yall). something that all rescues/shelters should know is that idexx, at least, has a great discount program for 501(c)3s--i'm fuzzy on the current details, but it used to be that you had to buy in bulk (30 test kits, which during kitten season any group can easily go through!), with each test costing under $7/per for the combo test. most shelters/rescues that deal with dogs know how to draw bloods for heartworm testing, so it's not out of the question for them to do their own blood draws for kitties. vet techs will often donate their time to do the blood draws, too, if you ask around... We are so small I am not sure I could convince a vet tech. We don't deal with dogs (yet) either. Fortunately I can get a combo test at the wellness clinic for $16. I usually just take the whole litter in at once. and it's important, again, to distinquish between FIV and FeLV--i don't test for the former, but will for the latter perhaps finding out the current specifics on the idexx program (and others, if they exist) is something someone could take on, then provide the info to the rest of us to distribute to rescues/shelters in our areas MC Good idea.
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
Yes, I agree this is bad. I hate it when rescues do this. Even Nathan Winograd, who is against testing, states that the one thing you should not do is selective testing. Either test none or all. I think people do this because they really do not understand the disease, or have outdated information. I tried to educate my previous rescue group regarding FELV and it fell on deaf ears. On 11/25/06, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - *From:* catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM *Subject:* Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t *Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy > would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you > do? > > Thanks for your input. > > Kelley > > -- > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! > > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 > -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
I have usually dealt with at least 2 vets at a time-- a very close one for simple matters, and one farther away who is an internist or who I trust more for more serious things. Dianne, I am sure you must know this already, but lymphoma is usually not cured. At best it is held in remission for a while. Every once in a while it does seem to get cured-- cats five years out with no symptoms-- but this is less likely for a positive cat. I have heard of positives getting a year or two out of chemo, and I think there is one out there that is approaching 2 years and still has no symptoms, knock on wood, but that is rare. It is usually a best case scenario of months not years. Positives respond as well to chemo as negatives, but their remissions tend not to last as long. Hopefully Asia will be the exception. Michelle In a message dated 11/26/2006 1:03:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but it is ok now, I won't be going back to him with her...and if I do it will be convenience. He is less than a mile from my house and I can usually get in immediately and get a discount as I do rescue work. So there are some benefits there but I know he is not the best vet around. Actually there are not many in this area I am happy dealing with. Last year was a horrible year for me and my babies. I lost 3 Shih Tzu's and a cat from April to October, it is a horror story and a long one. Each pet had a different illness and 2 were prolonged and 2 were sudden. (all part of why I was so devastated when I got the first diagnosis...just went numb) All for now and good nightand good night...smile Dianne and Asia
