Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
Because this router is doing NAT. Not only rounting. On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 09:55 -0500, Tony wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 12:50:46PM -0300, Marcelo Bezerra wrote: Because this router is doing NAT. Not only rounting. On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 09:55 -0500, Tony wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. Marcelo is 100% correct. A router itself will not block any traffic. You can add blocking or port limiting. This is usually limited in functionality because a firewall is a lot more than simply a router with access controls. Some routers can add firewall functionality in their software or with a dedicated hardware module. The reason you have to setup port forwarding on a home router is that they run NAT (Network Address translation) to share the one public IP address among mutiple computers. NAT basically intercepts the outgoing traffic and pretends it's all coming from the single public IP address. All internal machines use private (RFC 1918) IP addresses that are not routed on the internet. Since an inbound connection can not be addressed directly to in internal computer (those IPs are not routed on the internet), all inbound connections are actually addressed to the NAT router. The forwarding tells the router where to send the connection, after the NAT. The term router in our contect is more akin to a cheap firewall. They do route, but ony between two ethernet interfaces. They all have NAT functionality and some stateful firewalling features. A true blue router with only routing functionality would require a public IP network on each interface and would not block any incoming or outgoing connections (without access controls). -- Hexis www.hxxl.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Concerning Cheaters (sharing ban files)
Agent|BeNt wrote: I have a public banlist for our servers on our webpage.It list who banned them from which server and why.Demos of just about all the hackers are available in the downloads section of our website.If you would like the website email me off list and I'll give you a link. I am also a member of Steambans.com and have never submitted a demo and I am a member still.So I don't see what the problem is with joining up on that,they have alot of teams that haven't reported in on anything.Even though we have about 50-65 demos that need to be submitted.I'm thinking of dropping steambans though for the simple fact I've had it on the server now for months and its only banned 5 people off our servers.It would be alot easier for an admin to just see it and ban them instead. BeNt - Original Message - From: Alexander Kobbevik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Concerning Cheaters (sharing ban files) I rather have 50 players that have cheated on other servers (ofcourse we ban if we find them..) then ban 1 clean player. Posting cheaters to a public list without prof is bullshit... and you should know that! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: 19. januar 2005 22:53 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Concerning Cheaters (sharing ban files) www.steambans.com is a wonderful service. Sadly, to take advantage of such a service, certain prereqs have to be met. Of which, I don't (I run a CS:S server out of the office, no clan, no website, no irc channel, just something me and the guys here do... build a game server, set it up, then let it go public). I was wondering if anyone would like to share up their banned_user.cfg contents. All my bans on my server have been very obvious cheaters (almost all speedhackers). banid 0 STEAM_0:1:4151131 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:5345510 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:6454151 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:4851060 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:89911 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:5205849 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:1047784 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:3114641 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:592926 banid 0 STEAM_0:1:1052119 banid 0 STEAM_0:0:1699044 Small list, but my server has only been running for 8 days. If anyone else would like to share up, feel free. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 1/19/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 1/19/2005 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds The concept of a shared banlist if great. However, how can one rely upon the judment of admins they don't know? What are their qualifications? Experience? Tolerance? Reason(s) for the ban? What about rescinded bans? Mistakes? Every community is slightly different and bans for different reasons. There's no way to know the answers to any of these questions when you blindly subscribe to a centralized list. It's hard enough handling all of those issues in your own community without adding the variables of others. Kerry Mike's Marauders!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Concerning Cheaters (sharing ban files)
- Original Message - From: Kerry Dorsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Like I said in my origonal post. Demos of just about all the hackers are available in the downloads section of our website. letting the admins in your community pick out which bans are legit.We have demos.If you can't trust a demo then you are out of luck.While I realize what you are saying,and I'm not gonna just trust another communities bans without knowing for sure.I offered my banlist up and I have proof for a large amount of our bans.Which are legit and not banned for anything but hacking.Which is why we do demos so if someone protest their ban.We have demos for the other bans issued too,such as mic spamming ect.But they are not in our downloads section. Personally I would rather place my own bans,and as said in my previous post,steambans is hardly helping anything in my server.Granted it will take time and as more admins contribute to the banlist the bans will become more frequent and all,its just not all there right now.But Kerry I do see your point and I agree with you 110%. BeNt The concept of a shared banlist if great. However, how can one rely upon the judment of admins they don't know? What are their qualifications? Experience? Tolerance? Reason(s) for the ban? What about rescinded bans? Mistakes? Every community is slightly different and bans for different reasons. There's no way to know the answers to any of these questions when you blindly subscribe to a centralized list. It's hard enough handling all of those issues in your own community without adding the variables of others. Kerry Mike's Marauders!! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 1/19/2005 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Strange banned.cfg behaviour
I had this problem with a 1.6 server of mine. just add exec banned.cfg to your server.cfg file. That should fix your problem. --- Agent 001Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My banned.cfg goes wild everytime an Admin bans someone. The banned.cfg had over 300 SteamID's in it, but now it reduces to 147 ID's. If I empty the banned.cfg before I start the server, they all come back again as soon as anyone get banned. I run CS 1.6 dedicated server with AMX installed. Anyone who knows what can cause this? //DiS|Fox Mine used to do the same thing to me. I figured out a way to get around it though. You will have to excuse my wording as I have been away from gaming since September of 2004 and I'm just getting back into it. Here are the steps I used to work around it. 1)While the server is running I would delete the banned.cfg. 2)After I deleted it then I would restart the server. 3)After the restart I would do a couple of map changes then check to see if: A)The banned.cfg had been put back. B)If it had been put back if any bans were listed This did not work 100% of the time but usually gave the results I wanted after a couple of tries. I forget why I had to do it this way but it has something to do with a global file that holds information and writes it when ever the server crashes or restarts. When the server would start back up it would pull the stuff from this file it had written to it at crash including the banned.cfg information. By deleting the bans then restarting it has no ban information to save and therefore cannot put anything back at restart. I know that makes no sense but like I said I've only been back playing for about 2 days now. I could be completely confused and wrong also. If that's the case I'm sorry. I do know that the above steps worked for me though. Well.. I deleted the banned.cfg, restarted the server (in console), exit and started it up again and now it seems to work! Thanx for helping me out! Let you know if the error comes back! Does anyone knows the filename the banned.cfg get cached to? //DiS|Fox Homepage: http://www.sweDiS.se/ Server: http://dis1.hopto.org:27015 _ Chatt: Träffa nya nätkompisar på Habbo Hotel http://habbohotel.msn.se/habbo/sv/channelizer ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds = ~Grendel |TSoN| Server IP: 216.240.153.120:27015 forums: http://tson.proboards21.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
After trying Linksys, 3com, and various other routers, I came across a Belkin, now, I'm talking wireless here, as well as 4 port wired. I've had no problems from the Belkin, however there is a reason I ditched the others! Do a google search on the linksys, again, I'm talking wireless, but boy do those things like to reboot themselves!!! Now compare that to the Belkin... that said, some of the more expensive Linksys ones are good and have some nice little hacks... My money goes on the Belkin at the mo tho :) PS was nice and easy to configure for both TFC (HL1) and HL2DM servers :) Steve! - Original Message - From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. Pit Gee wrote: Isn't cisco like ? You can get some version at a reasonable-ish price, but yes generally cisco are more expensive. I'm looking for low $, user friendly and reliable router for a small home network--I really basically just want to connect two or three comps to the same internet connection at the moment. I read that a linksys BEFSR41 was a good router. Is that the one someone recommended here or was it a belkiin? That linksys is a good un I read but the forum post I got that tip from is almost a year old. I'm wondering if there is something better now or that is still the way to go. I'll go check the one's you recommended out now but I am thinking they are going to be high dollar business type models. Thanks. Apparently yes the linksys routers are pretty. And no it definately wasn't Belkin - stay away from the Belkin equipment if you can afford to pay a little more money. They are nasty, very low end, plastic junk. You should find that the 3com routers vary from about £40 upwards - I paid more for mine, but not much more, because I wanted more features. Have a look on ebuyer.com for *3CR860-95 - thats the one I got. * ps is it true that if you have a router you don't need an additional firewall? Generally yes, because a lot of the routers now have firewalls built in and for home users and small business you don't really need anything more than that. You do need to check that the router you buy does include a firewall, if you are going to skip purchasing a hardware or software firewall. Its always worth switching on the built in windows firewall anyway. Despite rantings from various detractor there is nothing wrong with the windows firewall and the Windows XP SP2 firewall is actually very good. Hope this helps Stephen ~# DOOM UK Server #~ Day of Defeat Server 82.136.36.14:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
The BEFS* were real bad about rebooting themselves. The WRT54G with sveasoft alchemy is rock solid. The current linksys firmware is questionable. There is an older Linksys firmware from last year that is rock solid. What is it about router manufacturers that they can't make a decent firmware? The only rock solid router I ever had was a Cisco. The rest all had issues. - Original Message - From: Steve! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. After trying Linksys, 3com, and various other routers, I came across a Belkin, now, I'm talking wireless here, as well as 4 port wired. I've had no problems from the Belkin, however there is a reason I ditched the others! Do a google search on the linksys, again, I'm talking wireless, but boy do those things like to reboot themselves!!! Now compare that to the Belkin... that said, some of the more expensive Linksys ones are good and have some nice little hacks... My money goes on the Belkin at the mo tho :) PS was nice and easy to configure for both TFC (HL1) and HL2DM servers :) Steve! - Original Message - From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. Pit Gee wrote: Isn't cisco like ? You can get some version at a reasonable-ish price, but yes generally cisco are more expensive. I'm looking for low $, user friendly and reliable router for a small home network--I really basically just want to connect two or three comps to the same internet connection at the moment. I read that a linksys BEFSR41 was a good router. Is that the one someone recommended here or was it a belkiin? That linksys is a good un I read but the forum post I got that tip from is almost a year old. I'm wondering if there is something better now or that is still the way to go. I'll go check the one's you recommended out now but I am thinking they are going to be high dollar business type models. Thanks. Apparently yes the linksys routers are pretty. And no it definately wasn't Belkin - stay away from the Belkin equipment if you can afford to pay a little more money. They are nasty, very low end, plastic junk. You should find that the 3com routers vary from about £40 upwards - I paid more for mine, but not much more, because I wanted more features. Have a look on ebuyer.com for *3CR860-95 - thats the one I got. * ps is it true that if you have a router you don't need an additional firewall? Generally yes, because a lot of the routers now have firewalls built in and for home users and small business you don't really need anything more than that. You do need to check that the router you buy does include a firewall, if you are going to skip purchasing a hardware or software firewall. Its always worth switching on the built in windows firewall anyway. Despite rantings from various detractor there is nothing wrong with the windows firewall and the Windows XP SP2 firewall is actually very good. Hope this helps Stephen ~# DOOM UK Server #~ Day of Defeat Server 82.136.36.14:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
I owned one of the original BEFSR41s from many many years ago. Only in about it's 3rd year (possibly longer, I don't do well with time) did it finally die out on me. In it's place went a WRT54G. I tried both Linksys' firmwares and sveasoft's, haven't had issue with either personally. A friend is back to using Linksys firmware on his, no problems either. I'm surprised that with all the networks I setup for people, that there are so many complaints online about Linksys routers when they're the only thing I ever use and I've yet to have a true problem with any of the networks I've set up for customers (a router dying after years of constant use is not a problem, it's lifespan =P ). ~Tony On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:31:21 -0800, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BEFS* were real bad about rebooting themselves. The WRT54G with sveasoft alchemy is rock solid. The current linksys firmware is questionable. There is an older Linksys firmware from last year that is rock solid. What is it about router manufacturers that they can't make a decent firmware? The only rock solid router I ever had was a Cisco. The rest all had issues. - Original Message - From: Steve! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. After trying Linksys, 3com, and various other routers, I came across a Belkin, now, I'm talking wireless here, as well as 4 port wired. I've had no problems from the Belkin, however there is a reason I ditched the others! Do a google search on the linksys, again, I'm talking wireless, but boy do those things like to reboot themselves!!! Now compare that to the Belkin... that said, some of the more expensive Linksys ones are good and have some nice little hacks... My money goes on the Belkin at the mo tho :) PS was nice and easy to configure for both TFC (HL1) and HL2DM servers :) Steve! - Original Message - From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. Pit Gee wrote: Isn't cisco like ? You can get some version at a reasonable-ish price, but yes generally cisco are more expensive. I'm looking for low $, user friendly and reliable router for a small home network--I really basically just want to connect two or three comps to the same internet connection at the moment. I read that a linksys BEFSR41 was a good router. Is that the one someone recommended here or was it a belkiin? That linksys is a good un I read but the forum post I got that tip from is almost a year old. I'm wondering if there is something better now or that is still the way to go. I'll go check the one's you recommended out now but I am thinking they are going to be high dollar business type models. Thanks. Apparently yes the linksys routers are pretty. And no it definately wasn't Belkin - stay away from the Belkin equipment if you can afford to pay a little more money. They are nasty, very low end, plastic junk. You should find that the 3com routers vary from about £40 upwards - I paid more for mine, but not much more, because I wanted more features. Have a look on ebuyer.com for *3CR860-95 - thats the one I got. * ps is it true that if you have a router you don't need an additional firewall? Generally yes, because a lot of the routers now have firewalls built in and for home users and small business you don't really need anything more than that. You do need to check that the router you buy does include a firewall, if you are going to skip purchasing a hardware or software firewall. Its always worth switching on the built in windows firewall anyway. Despite rantings from various detractor there is nothing wrong with the windows firewall and the Windows XP SP2 firewall is actually very good. Hope this helps Stephen ~# DOOM UK Server #~ Day of Defeat Server 82.136.36.14:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Steam Crashing
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everyone. I am wondering after the last update if anyone else is experiencing a crashing problem like myself. When I play CS:S it crashes between instantly coming into the server (when able to view players on server) or within 10 of joining. AMD 3200 Barton 640DDR Ram GF FX 5600 256vram -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Steam Crashing
I would say ask in the STEAM forums, but meh This is the HLDS mail list, so nobody really cares. Run through the usual STEAM and PC troubleshooting techniques If you don't know what they are, odds are, thats half your problem, since computers are inscrutable devices that need constant care and attention, and the less you know, the more likely something will break that you probably won't be able to fix easily. :) On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:14:17 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time), Richard Welsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everyone. I am wondering after the last update if anyone else is experiencing a crashing problem like myself. When I play CS:S it crashes between instantly coming into the server (when able to view players on server) or within 10 of joining. AMD 3200 Barton 640DDR Ram GF FX 5600 256vram -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Steam Crashing
Have you tried a reinstall?Is it just a certain game or all of them? BeNt - Original Message - From: Richard Welsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HLDS Mailing List hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: [hlds] Steam Crashing -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everyone. I am wondering after the last update if anyone else is experiencing a crashing problem like myself. When I play CS:S it crashes between instantly coming into the server (when able to view players on server) or within 10 of joining. AMD 3200 Barton 640DDR Ram GF FX 5600 256vram -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
Well put. Home user devices should not be confused with true routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:04 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
How, then, does a router know where to send an incoming packet? If there is no entry in the routing table, and if it's not blocked/dropped, where does it go? - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
Not to be a dick now, but the router that the original poster had suggested runs around $100. We're not talking about enterprise grade routers here. So my call to you that routers that don't block unsolicited incomming requests by default was valid because in the context of this entire fucking thread, commercial, off the shelf, sell'em at Radio Shack routers are being discussed and all of them should and do. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you are going out of your way to be right when you're not in this case. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:03:55 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
Actually it was valid in the first place, as unsolicited means packets that it did not ask for or make it self available for which any router does, considering the the way you used the term. As far as what is a router, the term is confused a bit nowadays. A router simply routers packets from one host/network to one or many hosts/networks. What most consumers have are low traffic routers with a firewall added on and a few other features such as DNS and DHCP. It's still a low-traffic router as well as being a multi-function low-traffic/horsepower network device. Most enterprise routers do not have a built-in firewall with SPI as consumer routers do because they are not meant to be multifunction, ALA cisco PIX firewalls. That is changing some nowadays. In any case, they are all routers, just with differen't Oses and feature sets. That should answer your question as well Ook :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:55 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. Not to be a dick now, but the router that the original poster had suggested runs around $100. We're not talking about enterprise grade routers here. So my call to you that routers that don't block unsolicited incomming requests by default was valid because in the context of this entire fucking thread, commercial, off the shelf, sell'em at Radio Shack routers are being discussed and all of them should and do. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you are going out of your way to be right when you're not in this case. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:03:55 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
Ook Thats the job of the Router Protocols, such as RIP, OSPF or in the case of Internet Routers BGP BGP-II I sincerely thought you would know this. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:44:35 -0800, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How, then, does a router know where to send an incoming packet? If there is no entry in the routing table, and if it's not blocked/dropped, where does it go? - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update
Here's an idea. Any way we could run our own content servers? I have 50 servers to update, and instead of putting the load on the steam content servers, I wouldn't mind running my own content server for my servers to update. That would be so great if it would be possible.. So that I could ge the updates (faster) and update all my servers faster instead of waiting for steam to be less busy and restart the update 50 times. - Original Message - From: Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update Right now demand for the Counter-Strike: Source depot is very high. This release was large (due to the addition of bots and a new map) and we didn't have an optimal content layout on our servers for this release. Demand is ramping down pretty quickly right now, this shouldn't be a problem for too much longer. For the next large update we will provision more bandwidth for Counter-Strike: Source. - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Steam Crashing
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] After some testing I found out it has something to do with the # of players playing. Most likely a ram vs cpu issuse on my end. It's fixed now. The Steam forums were down and my experience on those have been worse than here besides a crashing problem on a client could be a problem on your servers as well... so asking about it here shouldn't really attract as much hate as it does. ---Original Message--- From: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: 01/21/05 17:24:17 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Steam Crashing Have you tried a reinstall?Is it just a certain game or all of them? BeNt - Original Message - From: Richard Welsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HLDS Mailing List hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: [hlds] Steam Crashing -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello everyone. I am wondering after the last update if anyone else is experiencing a crashing problem like myself. When I play CS:S it crashes between instantly coming into the server (when able to view players on server) or within 10 of joining. AMD 3200 Barton 640DDR Ram GF FX 5600 256vram -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
