Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please
Eric (Deacon) wrote: I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. I am struggling to understand why you would have and use a ~650MB hard drive. http://www.newegg.com/app/manufact.asp?catalog=14DEPA=1 -- Eric (the Deacon remix) I am only a private server admin and I don't want to spend my less money in things I don't need. I can get sometimes HDDs 1 GB for free. So I have to use them. greetings ruwen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Matthew Donnon wrote: I'm curious, is that HDD more or less megs than system ram? - Original Message - From: ruwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. csserver1:/home/ruwen# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 667M 469M 197M 71% / Does FreeBSD use less diskspace? greetings ruwen Duron 750 Mhz, 512 MB Ram, Scsi HDD :) greetings ruwen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Sindre wrote: although not optimal, it works just fine for most small scale purposes. - Sindre = Original Message From Jason Arden [EMAIL PROTECTED] = LOL this guy made his Linux installation one big partition... good game. -Jason ruwen wrote: William H. \ Du Chene wrote: You could simply put the server on FreeBSD. If you were to install FreeBSD 5.2 and the linux binary compatibility layer, you may well find that ( on the very same hardware ) the linux server will run faster and your users do not exprience nearly as much lag than on even a linux installation. Additionally, FreeBSD is very stable, consumes far less space than a comperable RedHat installation and - IMHO - far easier to work with. I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. csserver1:/home/ruwen# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 667M 469M 197M 71% / Does FreeBSD use less diskspace? greetings ruwen One BIG partition? I don't think so :) But making partitions for such a small HDD isn't usefull imho because u need every MB :) greetings ruwen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Where do you get these from? I picked up a bunch of 2-3 GB drives on eBay for about 5 bucks each, and these work great for running a server. Eric (Deacon) wrote: I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. I am struggling to understand why you would have and use a ~650MB hard drive. http://www.newegg.com/app/manufact.asp?catalog=14DEPA=1 -- Eric (the Deacon remix) I am only a private server admin and I don't want to spend my less money in things I don't need. I can get sometimes HDDs 1 GB for free. So I have to use them. greetings ruwen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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But wouldn't the performance of such old drives have a negative impact on server performance? - Original Message - From: ruwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Eric (Deacon) wrote: I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. I am struggling to understand why you would have and use a ~650MB hard drive. http://www.newegg.com/app/manufact.asp?catalog=14DEPA=1 -- Eric (the Deacon remix) I am only a private server admin and I don't want to spend my less money in things I don't need. I can get sometimes HDDs 1 GB for free. So I have to use them. greetings ruwen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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For a single server the performance impact wouldn't be that bad at all. Maps may take slightly longer to load (I'd be surprised if anyone could tell the difference) but after that the only disk activity is writing the logs. Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DLinkOZ Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please But wouldn't the performance of such old drives have a negative impact on server performance? - Original Message - From: ruwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Eric (Deacon) wrote: I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. I am struggling to understand why you would have and use a ~650MB hard drive. http://www.newegg.com/app/manufact.asp?catalog=14DEPA=1 -- Eric (the Deacon remix) I am only a private server admin and I don't want to spend my less money in things I don't need. I can get sometimes HDDs 1 GB for free. So I have to use them. greetings ruwen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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In a bold display of creativity, MadScientist wrote: The gui doesn't require squat in the way of resources. You don't pay for RAM? At about $0.15 per megabyte for a 512MB stick of PC3200 DDR RAM, I'm not sure that's the most valid argument you can come up with. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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In a bold display of creativity, Mike Frysinger wrote: people really should stop looking at it as 'windows 2003 performs better than linux' and start going 'does valve know how to write a linux server' ? I thought the question was which OS yields the best performance when it comes to running HL servers, which are native Win32 apps. perhaps a lot of the 'overhead' is a factor of poor coding in the linux hlds realm rather than 'overhead' in the OS if i recall old threads correctly, it's always been like this and the general consensus was that it was hlds rather than the OS at fault ... and i'm inclined to agree ... I didn't realize this was even a question. I thought it was obviously so :) -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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William H. \ Du Chene wrote: You could simply put the server on FreeBSD. If you were to install FreeBSD 5.2 and the linux binary compatibility layer, you may well find that ( on the very same hardware ) the linux server will run faster and your users do not exprience nearly as much lag than on even a linux installation. Additionally, FreeBSD is very stable, consumes far less space than a comperable RedHat installation and - IMHO - far easier to work with. I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. csserver1:/home/ruwen# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 667M 469M 197M 71% / Does FreeBSD use less diskspace? greetings ruwen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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That box I bought from dell cost $200 less since I requested XP not be loaded... $699 less since I requested WinServer 2k3 not be loaded. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric (Deacon) Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please In a bold display of creativity, MadScientist wrote: I'm comparing apples to apples... i.e. the latest Windows to the latest Linux. But even still, W2K is more expensive than Linux or FreeBSD, and that will still leave you with extra money for hardware. Uh, yeah, feel free to compare apples to gophers all day long, but the fact is that when you order a box from Dell or whoever else, it's going to come with a Windows OS on it, usually XP these days. XP, Win2k Pro, either way, it's going to be just fine. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Sure it can. A minimal installation of FreeBSD takes as little as 100 MB of disk space. However, that is a very minimal install, leaving almost no space for your own files. A more realistic minimum is 250 MB without a graphical environment, and 350 MB or more if you want a graphical user interface. If you intend to install a lot of third party software as well, then you will need more space. - Original Message - From: ruwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please William H. \ Du Chene wrote: You could simply put the server on FreeBSD. If you were to install FreeBSD 5.2 and the linux binary compatibility layer, you may well find that ( on the very same hardware ) the linux server will run faster and your users do not exprience nearly as much lag than on even a linux installation. Additionally, FreeBSD is very stable, consumes far less space than a comperable RedHat installation and - IMHO - far easier to work with. I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. csserver1:/home/ruwen# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 667M 469M 197M 71% / Does FreeBSD use less diskspace? greetings ruwen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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I am interesting in less disk space because I have only small HDDs. I am struggling to understand why you would have and use a ~650MB hard drive. http://www.newegg.com/app/manufact.asp?catalog=14DEPA=1 -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Eric (Deacon) said: Uh, yeah, feel free to compare apples to gophers all day long, but the fact is that when you order a box from Dell or whoever else, it's going to come with a Windows OS on it, usually XP these days. XP, Win2k Pro, either way, it's going to be just fine. You do know most places give a discount if you get the system without an OS, right? Why pay for something you will never use...? -Mad -- http://www.madslab.com A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven. Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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I'm very much surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) at the ratio of analytical to anecdotal evidence in this thread. I know that a lot of you make money by hosting game servers, and usually when money is on the line, people get a lot more serious about value for the money. Based on the comments thus far, it seems it's *impossible* that win2k3 could outperfom *nix, and if it does for HLDS, it's only because of poorly coded binaries. Again, some sort of validation behind that would be interesting to know. Anyway, like I promised, I'll post spec/benchmark comparisons when the migration is finished. Mike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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I wouldn't call it anecdotal, as this subject has been rehashed adnauseum for years now. Its just a fact, that a couple years ago and beyond, the linux hlds server outperformed the windows one hands down all day long. then in the last year or two, linux performance has slowly but surely taken a nose dive. yes, windows has as well, but linux has at a much higher right, so that if you have the resources and admin capability, that windows *right now* is a better choice for a hl server. that, as we will all tell you, is quite a shame. kev Mike Donahue wrote: I'm very much surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) at the ratio of analytical to anecdotal evidence in this thread. I know that a lot of you make money by hosting game servers, and usually when money is on the line, people get a lot more serious about value for the money. Based on the comments thus far, it seems it's *impossible* that win2k3 could outperfom *nix, and if it does for HLDS, it's only because of poorly coded binaries. Again, some sort of validation behind that would be interesting to know. Anyway, like I promised, I'll post spec/benchmark comparisons when the migration is finished. Mike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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We are installing a test machine this weekend, a nice Dual opteron with 4 GB or ram. I have the following OS's on it: 1. Suse 9.0 i386 2. Suse 9.0 x86_64 3. Windows XP 32 4. Windows XP 64 5. FreeBSD Over the coming weeks weeks we will be running tests to determine the best OS for a number of the key game servers. On my list ATM is: 1. hlds_ls 2. ut2k4 3. bf1942 / bfv I'll post the server details here when they are up so you can all give them a good bashing if people are interested. Steve / K - Original Message - From: Mike Donahue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 May 2004 16:55 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please I'm very much surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) at the ratio of analytical to anecdotal evidence in this thread. I know that a lot of you make money by hosting game servers, and usually when money is on the line, people get a lot more serious about value for the money. Based on the comments thus far, it seems it's *impossible* that win2k3 could outperfom *nix, and if it does for HLDS, it's only because of poorly coded binaries. Again, some sort of validation behind that would be interesting to know. Anyway, like I promised, I'll post spec/benchmark comparisons when the migration is finished. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Steven Hartland wrote: We are installing a test machine this weekend, a nice Dual opteron with 4 GB or ram. I have the following OS's on it: 1. Suse 9.0 i386 2. Suse 9.0 x86_64 3. Windows XP 32 4. Windows XP 64 5. FreeBSD Over the coming weeks weeks we will be running tests to determine the best OS for a number of the key game servers. On my list ATM is: 1. hlds_ls 2. ut2k4 3. bf1942 / bfv I'll post the server details here when they are up so you can all give them a good bashing if people are interested. If you can please provide also the info on how the tests are handled, like running processes in win2k3, running processes on *nix and so on, that could be a good way of comparing the benchmarks, and also the tools you used for the benchmarks and how you reached your conclusions. greetz Steve / K - Original Message - From: Mike Donahue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 May 2004 16:55 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please I'm very much surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) at the ratio of analytical to anecdotal evidence in this thread. I know that a lot of you make money by hosting game servers, and usually when money is on the line, people get a lot more serious about value for the money. Based on the comments thus far, it seems it's *impossible* that win2k3 could outperfom *nix, and if it does for HLDS, it's only because of poorly coded binaries. Again, some sort of validation behind that would be interesting to know. Anyway, like I promised, I'll post spec/benchmark comparisons when the migration is finished. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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On Wednesday 19 May 2004 00:35, Mike Maynard wrote: We saw a major performance INCREASE moving to Win2k3 from a heavily tweaked Gentoo config. Thats the problem with gentoo - you can tweak so much things and i am pretty shure that the one who tweaked your server did not know exactly what he was doing, right? Regards Soeren ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Errr... no We followed every guide available on the gentoo site for the gaming kernels. Even tried different stage installs, now the performance was OK it just didn't match what we are seeing with 2k3 We do know what we are doing when it comes to *Nix. We decided to try Win2k3 after seeing some posts about it and low and behold it blows the doors off of Linux when it comes to HL Server hosting. Mike http://www.Predatorial-Tendencies.com Home of the Deranged Gamer... - Original Message - From: Soeren Todt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please On Wednesday 19 May 2004 00:35, Mike Maynard wrote: We saw a major performance INCREASE moving to Win2k3 from a heavily tweaked Gentoo config. Thats the problem with gentoo - you can tweak so much things and i am pretty shure that the one who tweaked your server did not know exactly what he was doing, right? Regards Soeren ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Well yes. 'Cause the Linux binaries blow! Mike Maynard wrote: Errr... no We followed every guide available on the gentoo site for the gaming kernels. Even tried different stage installs, now the performance was OK it just didn't match what we are seeing with 2k3 We do know what we are doing when it comes to *Nix. We decided to try Win2k3 after seeing some posts about it and low and behold it blows the doors off of Linux when it comes to HL Server hosting. Mike http://www.Predatorial-Tendencies.com Home of the Deranged Gamer... - Original Message - From: Soeren Todt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please On Wednesday 19 May 2004 00:35, Mike Maynard wrote: We saw a major performance INCREASE moving to Win2k3 from a heavily tweaked Gentoo config. Thats the problem with gentoo - you can tweak so much things and i am pretty shure that the one who tweaked your server did not know exactly what he was doing, right? Regards Soeren ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- With regards, Say_Ten This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Sounds interesting there Mike I'd love to see the stats that led u to this conclusion. Steve / K - Original Message - From: Mike Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Errr... no We followed every guide available on the gentoo site for the gaming kernels. Even tried different stage installs, now the performance was OK it just didn't match what we are seeing with 2k3 We do know what we are doing when it comes to *Nix. We decided to try Win2k3 after seeing some posts about it and low and behold it blows the doors off of Linux when it comes to HL Server hosting. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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No stats saved but when we had Gentoo on the box it averaged over 80% util and was very sluggish. We are now at 45% util and are slowly bumping max players on all the servers to see how well it handles. Server IP is 12.109.169.6 if you want to try the play, the server on 27015 is CS 1.5 and it even runs WinHLBoost set to 400FPS and it barely affects proc usage. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to be still running Gentoo on these boxes just for the cost issues involved. Mike http://www.Predatorial-Tendencies.com Home of the Deranged Gamer... - Original Message - From: Steven Hartland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Sounds interesting there Mike I'd love to see the stats that led u to this conclusion. Steve / K - Original Message - From: Mike Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Errr... no We followed every guide available on the gentoo site for the gaming kernels. Even tried different stage installs, now the performance was OK it just didn't match what we are seeing with 2k3 We do know what we are doing when it comes to *Nix. We decided to try Win2k3 after seeing some posts about it and low and behold it blows the doors off of Linux when it comes to HL Server hosting. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Thanks for that Mike. Will be testing CS on an AMD 64 on multiple OS shortly but very interesting to see the differences u experienced. Steve / K - Original Message - From: Mike Maynard No stats saved but when we had Gentoo on the box it averaged over 80% util and was very sluggish. We are now at 45% util and are slowly bumping max players on all the servers to see how well it handles. Server IP is 12.109.169.6 if you want to try the play, the server on 27015 is CS 1.5 and it even runs WinHLBoost set to 400FPS and it barely affects proc usage. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to be still running Gentoo on these boxes just for the cost issues involved. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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The gui doesn't require squat in the way of resources. - Original Message - From: Shane Robinett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please If you know how to run windows right, you can remove much of that overhead. - Disable every service you dont need Run winNT/2003 headless (re: remove the GUI) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Does not Windows have a higher resource over head?? Leading to less on the boxen ?? Vale Fix the Linux Bi's PLEASE !! - Original Message - From: Steven Hartland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Thanks for that Mike. Will be testing CS on an AMD 64 on multiple OS shortly but very interesting to see the differences u experienced. Steve / K - Original Message - From: Mike Maynard No stats saved but when we had Gentoo on the box it averaged over 80% util and was very sluggish. We are now at 45% util and are slowly bumping max players on all the servers to see how well it handles. Server IP is 12.109.169.6 if you want to try the play, the server on 27015 is CS 1.5 and it even runs WinHLBoost set to 400FPS and it barely affects proc usage. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to be still running Gentoo on these boxes just for the cost issues involved. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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My server sits in my home office, has a monitor that is connected and on 24/7, and I would NEVER run a screen saver on it. If I'm going to bed or going to be gone, I either turn it off, or just turn the contrast down. Screen savers are evil! Evil, I tell you! And they also brand you as NEWB. Screen savers...just say no - Original Message - From: Donald Holl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please Right, but maybe his server is at home or does have a monitor connected. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 08:20 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please U why use a screen saver at all? lol. Call me silly but when I see pictures of rack servers in datacenters I dont see monitors hooked up to them all. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Holl Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] OS opinions please It's best to use a screen saver that uses low resources especially on a server machine. I recommend a screen saver with a static image such as Blank; it uses hardly any CPU versus the OpenGL 3DPipes screen saver. Those OpenGL screen savers were meant to use as much CPU as they can to show off the power of your computer. It is really not a good idea to use hem. - Original Message - From: Mike Donahue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:37:57 -0700 Well that's the kind of useful feedback I've been looking for! For the rest of the responders, thanks. I was worried that my 3DPipes screensaver would kill my single instance server, and it doesn't look like it will. :) My intent was not to turn this into a *nix/MS war (btw awps suck!), as each has its place; for me, it looks like 2k3 is the better solution. Thanks again for the feedback. FWIW, I'll take performance snapshots of the server now under full load, do the same when it's 2k3, and post the results. Mike P.S. I don't think you can run fsck on windows! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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In a bold display of creativity, MadScientist wrote: A Win2k Pro box would work just fine. I'm comparing apples to apples... i.e. the latest Windows to the latest Linux. But even still, W2K is more expensive than Linux or FreeBSD, and that will still leave you with extra money for hardware. -Mad -- http://www.madslab.com A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven. Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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The gui doesn't require squat in the way of resources. You don't pay for RAM? -Mad -- http://www.madslab.com A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven. Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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On Wednesday 19 May 2004 10:01 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does not Windows have a higher resource over head?? Leading to less on the boxen ?? people really should stop looking at it as 'windows 2003 performs better than linux' and start going 'does valve know how to write a linux server' ? perhaps a lot of the 'overhead' is a factor of poor coding in the linux hlds realm rather than 'overhead' in the OS if i recall old threads correctly, it's always been like this and the general consensus was that it was hlds rather than the OS at fault ... and i'm inclined to agree ... -mike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Ooks Server wrote: The gui doesn't require squat in the way of resources. I wouldn't say that. I am no one to provide formal benchmarks to prove numbers, but for one, open the task manager and put it on the process tab so you can see CPU load per app. Now start moving the task manager around. Watch Explorer jump up in CPU. Try opening a program in the back ground. What ever app it is that the task manager is in front of will start gobbling up CPU just by moving a Window, and lots. This is suppose to be solved with Longhorn's hardware accelerated GUI. Not that people go around movig windows all over the place as much as possible, but it shows load caused by the GUI portion. Second, when my computer gets under heavy load I start to see screen redraws take longer (moving or minimizing), especially on the apps causing the load. So something is not there that the GUI needs, and I can only imagine that it's the resources you refer to as 'squat'. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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In a bold display of creativity, MadScientist wrote: I'm comparing apples to apples... i.e. the latest Windows to the latest Linux. But even still, W2K is more expensive than Linux or FreeBSD, and that will still leave you with extra money for hardware. Uh, yeah, feel free to compare apples to gophers all day long, but the fact is that when you order a box from Dell or whoever else, it's going to come with a Windows OS on it, usually XP these days. XP, Win2k Pro, either way, it's going to be just fine. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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In a bold display of creativity, Mike Maynard wrote: We saw a major performance INCREASE moving to Win2k3 from a heavily tweaked Gentoo config. That echoes what most have discovered. There are many good reasons to use Linux/BSD as your server's OS, but performance is not one of them. If you're concerned about raw performance metrics, go with Win32, preferably Win2k. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Does Win2k have any advantages/disadvantages compared to Win2k3? -Nathan -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
