Re: [ilugd] [LIG] [LONG] [RANT] Ubuntu and Quality Control
Raj is not. I am - on a personal server that happens to host the ilugd list. Choice of distro mostly due to the guy who did a remote hands install for my box having only one current distro handy that had a usable version of the tg3 gigabit ethernet driver. And yes, aware of this, I tend to follow a install a restricted set of packages and patch only when absolutely necessary policy that, eoe this little contretemps with a broken mailman, has, knock on wood, worked fine so far. srs Why are you using Ubuntu for production servers? Look how many major releases they have had vs. Debian, or RHEL. They push out the latest version of the software as fast as possible because that is what their user base wants. That's why I use Ubuntu on my desktops. But they can't possibly keep the same quality control on such a release cyle. For production servers I use Debian, except when a client requires enterprise support, then I use RHEL. I suggest the same. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [LIH] SpamAssassin options -- Razor, Pyzor, DCC, ???
Raj Mathur wrote: - Vipul's Razor - Pyzor - DCC - Any other tools - Commercial blacklists - Any other commercial service Chatting with a few SA developers .. 1. SURBL / URIBL 2. Other network based tests Crank as many of them up as you can. DCC is the next good thing do do. Blocklists - at least sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org. srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ http://freedel.in - September 16-17, 2006
Re: [ilugd] [LIH]Blackberry push with Linux server
http://www.funambol.com/product/email.html seems interesting. Can push to any mobile, including blackberries. Yashpal Nagar wrote: Hi list, I know BB (Blackberry) works on standard POP/IMAP protocols. where user's email client need to check his/her email periodically. I just want to is there any way to make linux based email servers (postfix, sendmail,qmail etc..) to work with BB push in which you need not to check your account instead BB push technology itself locates you and pushes the alerts/emails to you. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] commercial - [Fwd: [TwinCLinG] [OT] MySQL Workshop]
Mysql B wants to decide on where to do a workshop in india Original Message Subject: [TwinCLinG] [OT] MySQL Workshop Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 05:51:57 + From: Syed Ismail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ilughyd@yahoogroups.com To: ilughyd@yahoogroups.com fyi -Syed Ismail == MySQL Workshops (Scheduling workshops in India) Thank you for your interest in MySQL. We are pleased to inform you that we are trying to schedule both of our popular 2-day workshops, MySQL Performance Tuning Optimization and MySQL 5.0 In Depth Workshop, in India on the 2nd and/or 3rd week of March. But we need your feedback. We are trying to decide if the workshops should be conducted in Bangalore and/or Mumbai. To make this decision, we need your input. The cost of each of the workshop will be US$200 off our regular price of US$955. So, in other words, US$775. After reading the description of the courses from the links below, please let us know if: * You would attend if one of them was held in Mumbai (indicate which workshop you'd attend) * You would attend if one of them was held in Bangalore (indicate which workshop you'd attend) * You would attend regardless if one of them was held in either Mumbai or Bangalore (indicated which workshop you'd attend) To let me know, simply email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your feedback will help us make the decision to serve you best. So, ask yourself these questions. * Do your applications slow down during busy times? * Are you having difficulties pinpointing performance bottlenecks? * Will finding and fixing performance issues take weeks of time and expertise that you just don't have? * Do you know, how to take most out of the new 5.0 features? Then these Performance Tuning Optimization Workshop and MySQL 5.0 In Depth Workshop are for you! You will get expert insight and learn best practices to help you improve performance and scalability and to take advantage of the MySQL 5.0 to the fullest! What You Will Learn * MySQL Internals * Storage Engine Selection * Query Optimization * Index Tuning Caching and Buffer Tuning * Hot Spot and Bottleneck Identification * MySQL 5.0 new features Who Should Attend * All database developers who are responsible for database design, modeling, and architecture * All DBAs who are responsible for the performance and health of production databases Once again, please let me know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if during the 2nd and/or 3rd week of March: * You would attend if one of the workshops was held in Mumbai (indicate which workshop you'd attend) * You would attend if one of the workshops was held in Bangalore (indicate which workshop you'd attend) * You would attend regardless if one of the workshops was held in either Mumbai or Bangalore (indicate which workshop you'd attend) Also, if you would like information regarding commercial licensing, support services, consulting, MySQL Users Conference or other training options feel free to call or email me directly. Sincerely, Iko Rein Sales Executive MySQL AB Tel: +612 830 73 824 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Next Meeting as on our Website: http://ilughyd.org.in --- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilughyd/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [LIH]NAS idea
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 05:00:19AM -0800, Mithun Bhattacharya wrote: If my understanding is correct a simple NAS is: 1. A storage space available over the network 2. Fault tolerant 3. Expandable 4. Transparent 5. Compatible across OSes add 1. rack space costs (NAS / SAN devices typically have far lower form factor than if you try to run a bunch of fileservers across to a datacenter) 2. out of the box and just works - most of the time. you dont have to sacrifice white chickens and mutter incantations all the time like you would with a homecooked solution 3. hot swappable modules in your NAS / SAN 4. lots and lots more redundancy and failover built in 5. A SLA with your vendor that you can enforce if things turn out bad ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [LIH]Exchange-like stuff for Linux
Raj Mathur wrote: Anyone know a freeware server that can perform the functionality of Exchange? The features I'm looking at include mail, calendaring, appointments and address book. Client will be Outlook co, so cross-compatibility is critical. No web-based solutions please! Not freeware. But runs on linux Take a look at http://www.bynari.com There's also http://www.opengroupware.org ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [LIG] Re: Where is the community?
On Sunday 25 September 2005 12:30, Raj Mathur wrote: I didn't see Atul Chitnis' response to my earlier queries in the thread he had jumped into earlier. Either he's busy or he considers I think Atul's response is posted on his blog at http://www.atulchitnis.net I'll say this... [Fri, 23rd Sep, 12:19 AM] ...people in glass houses should not throw stones. I will re-address the issue in the first week of December, but believe me - it will be an eye-opener for many of you. Have faith. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] [LIH]Re: [LIG] Where is the community?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 04:35:27PM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe the issue is not entirely about free or proprietory software. People are switiching to open source for a variety of reasons - philosophy, technical, economics whatever. There is that freedom to choose an element to believe in. But , well the but is simply its the core philosophy of open source - read transparency, read community involvement, read right to know that is the foundation of this movement.If People want to call it that and I think it is. I'm not going into the license / advocacy / giving back to the community etc part of it. As for what (say) Cray gives back to linux, googling for cray.com + linux or cray.com + linux-kernel gives you a lot of ideas. Back to the program committee part - in a purely technical conference (as opposed to public policy / social / philosophical conferences) you are not going to find substantial differences of opinion of the sort you mention. Competing technologies, fine. But a presentation is either technical or it is not. You need a program committee with enough tech savvy + enough experience speaking / presenting at such conferences to know what is operational content and what the audience wants. And who have a reputation for being even handed. And who are easily contactable in case any issues arise. srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Event: Freedel 2005, 17th 18th September, 2005 - http://freedel.in
Re: [ilugd] [LIH]Implication of new DNS server ?
Mithun Bhattacharya wrote: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1211092.cms The govt. would like us to believe that this will save trillions of dollars but what exactly is this going to do - do we change our DNS server configuration to hit these servers only to reap the benefits or does something happen magically ? All this means is that anycasted mirrors of {f,i,k}.root-servers.net have been deployed in India. Before this the nearest root servers [the main ones or their anycasted instances], network wise, would have been in Singapore, or the USA. It'll speed up your dns lookups, ideally. IF your ISP fully peers at NIXI (www.nixi.org) IF your ISP has the sense to set up BGP properly so that they take full advantage of having an internet exchange, root server mirrors, and possibly an akamai cluster .. The problem is that quite a few Indian ISPs are severely lacking in terms of router clue. I remember seeing a tutorial on advanced bgp where a so-called senior network admin at one of the larger Indian ISPs asked Philip Smith, who was taking the tutorial, what a route map was [2] ... srs [1] Philip works for cisco, probably the best teacher of bgp and routing that I have ever seen [2] Somewhat like a student in an MA English class asking how many Ts there are in the word butter ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [LIH](fwd) [SECURITY] [DSA 784-1] New courier packages fix denial of service
On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 02:54:44AM +0530, Raj Mathur wrote: [Please upgrade if you use Courier Mail server on any distribution. This vulnerability applies only to Courier being used with SPF, but it'd be a good idea to upgrade anyway -- Raju] It would be even wiser to ditch SPF if you're using it http://www.circleid.com/article/1039_0_1_0_C/ http://www.circleid.com/article/1157_0_1_0_C/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [LIH]broadcast mailing for all users
At 10:12 AM 7/8/2005, SWAPNIL wrote: I want to send one news to all users on my linux box. I had created some aliases for perticular groups using aliases file like group1: user1,user2, but now i want to send mail to all users except system users like ftp, apache, root, daemon etc. Typically all these system users have uid = 100 awk -F: '$3 100 { print $1 }' /etc/passwd /etc/mail/allusers And in /etc/mail/aliases - allusers: :include:/etc/mail/allusers srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [LIH]Promise TX2300
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 04:15:46PM -0700, Mithun Bhattacharya wrote: I am considering the above mentioned RAID card and was wondering whether anyone has any experience with this particular model. Google seems to suggest it's predecessor TX2200 was quite compatible with all flavors of linux. Though the SATA RAID FAQ seems to suggest it is not a very good choice since it is not a true raid card which I might agree to live with :). We tried promise and had to discard it later We're quite happy with 3ware cards (and the cray guy who was presenting at ilugc mentioned something about his linux clustering setup using 3ware as well ...) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Testing 123
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sandip reported that one of his emails didnt get through - this is because of a python unicode decoding bug that mailman seems to keep triggering. Testing now. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Key at http://www.hserus.net/pgp.txt iD8DBQFCcjpTRB4r9e3t77kRAluaAJ9NzeWQlpQ5x1q8JuU8mvYrZYECMgCcCMes lL74Ry9k5WPT9ERwqizf1pA= =Wz2u -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIH](fwd) [SECURITY] [DSA 635-1] New exim packages fix arbitrary code execution
Pankaj kaushal wrote: Hey! who are you calling backward? Woody is still *the* stable to run. /me runs with placards stating The end is near. stick to woody. at least use the exim4 packages for woody then. exim 3.x is outdated and if debian users (as frequently happens) ask questions about stuff that's tough to do with 3.x and very easy to do with 4.x, or screw up after running eximconfig and then dont know how to edit a configuration file manually, they'll just get flamed is all ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH](fwd) [SECURITY] [DSA 635-1] New exim packages fix arbitrary code execution
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Please upgrade Exim on all platforms immediately -- Raju] You already posted this for 4.x Debian has now backported this fix for 3.x versions (which are obsolete, so that only debian users keep using the old version when everybody else has moved on for over two years to the 4.x versions) suresh ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [LIH]Re: [ilugd] Running Apache context
Sanvir Singh Jham wrote: You can do the follwoing two steps to achieve this: 1. create a host in your DNS like somelink.foo.com with ip 172.16.1.2 2. Create a rewrite rule in your apache on 172.16.1.1, where http://foo.com/somelink redirects to http://somelink.foo.com something as simple as netstat tends to give this sort of joke away or just hitting view - page properties or whatever in the browser (or = in lynx / w3m) srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH](fwd) [SECURITY] [Sort-of-OT] PuTTY SSH client vulnerability
Raj Mathur wrote: [Yeah, PuTTY doesn't run under Linux, but then all the people I know PuTTY has a unix port (gtk libs) that runs quite well under linux / *bsd http://www.hserus.net/putty-linux.jpg ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [LIG] Re: [ilugd] What is your view about Linux pcs in India?
Sanjeev Ghane Gupta wrote: So do you think the Indian Linux community can and should be doing something about this? Talk to me. I have a budget, and no ideas. Did you see what the kerala govt is doing? Another thing that can be done is to have NASSCOM go after the Ritchie Street / Lamington Road / Nehru Place etc petty assemblers who are doing this, and force them to stop bundling pirated windows software with PCs that they sell. Recent news = Ritchie street in Madras rapidly emptied itself of pirated VCD / DVD shops, after the TN government warned that it'd throw VCD pirates in jail. Now back to Kerala - http://www.hindu.com/2004/10/22/stories/2004102209060700.htm Kerala kickstarts Linux usage with 100-plus help centres By Anand Parthasarathy THIRUVANANTHAPURAM, OCT. 21. Everybody talks about it, but nobody does anything about it ran American humorist Mark Twain's quip about the weather. It can just as well be applied to the dozens of well-meaning but impractical initiatives attempting to help lay computer users in India migrate from proprietary systems to the free-and-open environment of Linux if they so choose. LiTE centres Now, appropriately enough, from the 100 per cent literacy State comes a down-to-earth initiative that may yet prove Mark Twain and nay-sayers of open software wrong: A low key ceremony in the office of the Chief Minister, Oommen Chandy, on Wednesday, saw the launch of a programme anchored by the Centre for Development of Imaging Technology (C-DIT), where 107 computer training institutes spread across all 14 districts of Kerala have been beefed up as `Linux Technology Extension (LiTE) centres.' Crucial service Every centre would soon provide customers with practical help in configuring their PCs around the Linux operating system a crucial service since professional help is often required in finding the necessary `drivers' that will make popular peripherals such as printers, CD/DVD drivers, webcams, scanners and modems, work smoothly with Open Source software. Training programme The centres will also provide training in Linux applications, in installing the `OpenOffice' suite and will sell for a nominal cost C-DIT-developed tools such as the `Kairali Linux' distribution, localised for the Malayalam font, as well as one of the first Indian language primers on Free Software, the Malayalam-language book, `Swathanthra Softwayerum GNU/Linuxum,' which is priced at just Rs.55. `Practical problems' The author of the book and C-DIT Director, Achuthsankar S. Nair, told The Hindu : We feel the debate on free versus proprietary software is best left to academics. For ordinary people who for whatever reason economic or ideological want to migrate to Linux, there are a lot of practical problems and many hardware-related irritants remain. We would like to make migration easier particularly for the thousands in Kerala who are left out of the computer revolution because there are few tools in Malayalam. A small but dedicated Open Source Technology (OST) Team at C-DIT is currently training the resource persons who will soon fan out to the 100-plus LiTE service centres in the State. Many of the trainees insisted on starting their training on Saraswathi pooja day during Dussera this weekend. We are making our Open Source `Vidyarambham' this year, one LiTE centre head said. Instructional CDs Earlier, C-DIT also helped the Kerala State IT Mission with instructional CDs to back the Akshaya e-literacy programme. User enthusiasm forced the centre to quickly complement the original Windows-based version with another based on its own Kairali Linux version. Malayalam version It has also created a Malayalam version of a popular CD Chithrakkuduka containing thousands of `ethnic' clip art pictures and music tracks with an ethnic Kerala flavour. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [LIG] Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: [lb/2004] Getting the LUGs involved]
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: For those of us who cant afford air fares for reaching such conferences, this is generally a week long affair, in which a third of the time is spent on the train. How many people can afford that much time off from work every year? much shorter events like sanog - http://www.sanog.org - are available networking and dns mostly - though there's a heavy sysadmin etc component as well the next sanog will be jan 2005 in dhaka - close enough for the babu moshais from ilug-cal to attend :) [apnic / bill manning teaching dns, nsrc/uoregon teaching open source sysadmin, cisco and juniper teaching routing and bgp ... well worth attending] srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIH]Indiatimes listed in RBLs again ...
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: The great thing is that Manish Verma from Rediff did get in touch with me after my mail, and offered to help. I probably have been too quick to judge them. And he assured me that their abuse address does work and they have a dedicated spam team. I've worked with rediff in the past and they are good guys And they have good guys like Russ Nelson consulting for them srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIH]Indiatimes listed in RBLs again ...
Gaurav Vaish wrote: Can you let me know how to contact Manish Verman from Rediff. Rediff has also block-listed my IP. Actually, the problem is that dnsbl black-lists the IP and I don't know how to setup reverse DNS. Any help in this direction would be helpful. Help? Well, 1. Ask your ISP who gave you your IP to set up reverse DNS for you 2. Set your mailserver up to accept mail for that reverse DNS record name (say if reverse dns is set up to call itself mail.yourdomain.com then you set your mailserver to accept mail for that name) 3. Secure your open relay (read the faqs at http://www.dsbl.org) - dsbl is the one that asks for reverse dns records before they consider delisting 4. Go to http://www.dsbl.org and file your IP for a retest there srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]Indiatimes listed in RBLs again ...
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Following complaints from my hosting customers, I was investigating bounces from indiatimes mail accounts. Seems that Indiatimes is (yet again) caught in multiple RBL lists (SORBS and NJABL). Rediff actually does have a fairly good attitude. One thing they do however is that they'll 550 any incoming email at the gate if the sender is on the block sender list of any of their users, besides their usual filters [they use spamhaus.org and other fairly good blocklists] Indiatimes is unresponsive, and not too good as far as spam issues go. And they are infested with nigerian spammers (among other spammers) as well ... My question is that what recourse do other hostmasters have with dealing with such pests and incompetent mailing services? How do I get them to unblock my legitimate customers who have no reason to send spam to anybody? Is indiatimes blocking you or are you blocking indiatimes? srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]eight bit email addresses
Mithun Bhattacharya wrote: I am trying to send a email where the userid has a eight bit character in it. I assume it is in ISO-8859-1 but in future it could be in UTF-8 too. these are rfc illegal while madörin_ol [EMAIL PROTECTED] is legal - and the stuff within the would get encoded somehow, the actual email address cannot have high ascii / 8 bit characters in it. srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]eight bit email addresses
Mithun Bhattacharya wrote: But hasnt ICANN agreed to allow eight bit domain names ? If that is true then basically I can have a domain name but not a email address ? the smtp spec hasnt been modified ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] [LIH][Fwd: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 1 Update: rsync-2.5.7-5.fc1.1]
Original Message Subject: [SECURITY] Fedora Core 1 Update: rsync-2.5.7-5.fc1.1 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:33:04 -0400 From: Jay Fenlason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fedora Core 1 Update: rsync-2.5.7-5.fc1.1 - Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2004-268 2004-08-19 - Product : Fedora Core 1 Name: rsync Version : 2.5.7 Release : 5.fc1.1 Summary : A program for synchronizing files over a network. Description : Rsync uses a reliable algorithm to bring remote and host files into sync very quickly. Rsync is fast because it just sends the differences in the files over the network instead of sending the complete files. Rsync is often used as a very powerful mirroring process or just as a more capable replacement for the rcp command. A technical report which describes the rsync algorithm is included in this package. - Update Information: This update backports a security fix to a path-sanitizing flaw that affects rsync when it is used in daemon mode without also using chroot. For more information see http://samba.org/rsync/#security_aug04 - * Thu Aug 19 2004 Jay Fenlason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.5.7-5.fc1.1 - Backport fix for CAN-2004-0792 - This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/1/ 01fb9ef513ef0d484efb1bd66e91ad69 SRPMS/rsync-2.5.7-5.fc1.1.src.rpm dd13aba3dc99efc30ecaa0eeb49f242e x86_64/rsync-2.5.7-5.fc1.1.x86_64.rpm d8963193e902465e632e0ed993e92f82 x86_64/debug/rsync-debuginfo-2.5.7-5.fc1.1.x86_64.rpm bab0cb276f77596a6b9520401298764f i386/rsync-2.5.7-5.fc1.1.i386.rpm 094fa40ae453fddd43edce9fd10a054b i386/debug/rsync-debuginfo-2.5.7-5.fc1.1.i386.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. - -- fedora-announce-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ linux-india-help mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-india-help ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [Fsf-friends] Re: [LIG] [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
[4/18/2004 2:49 AM] Anand Babu : I want to understand more about the legal issues. 1) Hosting at savannah.gnu.org. What issues do we have? Hosted in the USA? You'd have DMCA / Patriot issues 3) Hosting under FSF India? Right now, the indian copyright act is being cited. And I must point out that copyright law is almost the same in all countries (including India and the USA) that are signatories to the Berne Convention. 4) What legal implications I will face, If I contribute to this project while I am in the US? Please ask a competent lawyer. Maybe Eben Moglen, as he is counsel for gnu.org 5) Decoding may be, but Coding is not a crime. It doesn't matter if I am in US or India. You may be right, but in practice, that is a matter for lawyers to interpret and courts to decide. regards -srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH](fwd) [SECURITY] [DSA 431-2] New perl packages fix information leak in suidperl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [4/17/2004 12:07 PM] Raj Mathur : | [Please upgrade Perl -- Raju] urgent only if you use suid-perl srs -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFAgNHpRB4r9e3t77kRAnnNAKCG2/YUYuMc2WQVEM6clY5QQMeVWACg00Uu eA+IRURowfDugMkjWZI/+HM= =0eRG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]accessing mail through squid server
[4/12/2004 2:58 PM] anshul_makkar : WE have a lan of around 6 computers . 1 system has been configured as squid server. all other systems are using internet through squid server. every thing is fine except that client systems are not able to access their mails squid server in their outlook express. ie the problem, is that i want to configure outlook express so that it fetches its mail from mail server through squid server . Squid is a http proxy, not a socks proxy. Set up NAT so that your clients can access their mail srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]Mail virusscanner woes
Raj Mathur wrote: First of all, clamav-milter doesn't quarantine messages, it just bounces them back to the sender. Now this has two issues; firstly, viruses tend to spoof the From address in e-mails, so some poor bugger you can set this differently iirc (quarantine or trash infected mail) you can also define exceptions (dont scan mail from this list) or you could just set something up to strip executable attachments from your incoming mail and ditch clamav srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]Transparent SMTP proxy
[4/1/2004 10:36 AM] Raj Mathur : A client is running NAT on a Linux box for his bandwidth customers. Now he needs to be able to catch spam and virus e-mails at the NAT gateway itself. Is there any way to transparently redirect outgoing SMTP into a local Sendmail (preferred) or other mail server for the Milter-type stuff? Your best way to go would be to block port 25 outbound entirely except through your smarthost. People who want to send mail out through other hosts can use port 587 (the rfc well known msa port) or an ssh tunnel srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]bootsplash and udev problems
[3/29/2004 7:09 AM] Ritesh Raj Sarraf : bootsplash: scanning last 2MB of initrd for signature bootsplash 3.1.4-2004/02/19: looking for picture. doesnot fit into framebuffer. (found1024x768, 20789 bytes, v3). your bootsplash image seems to be a little too large. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]Getmail error while running
[3/25/2004 2:58 PM] Sandeep Agarwal : When I run the getmail, following error msg appear on the screen. Please suggest to resolve this error. Try reading the error message? (refuse to deliver to commands as root), skipping srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]Pine Problem
[3/25/2004 3:08 PM] Ritesh Raj Sarraf : I've configured pine on my machine to use IMAP. Upon deleting of messages pine normally marks and later expunges the messages. How can i automatically move deleted messages to the trash folder. instead of marking them deleted, move them / save them to the trash folder. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH](fwd) [SECURITY] [DSA 457-1] New wu-ftpd packages fix multiple vulnerabilities
Raj Mathur [3/9/2004 10:01 PM] : [Please upgrade wu-ftpd (again!) -- Raju] This time please upgrade to vsftpd or proftpd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Suresh Ramasubramanian) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ mv linux Gnu/Linux mv: cannot move `linux' to `Gnu/Linux': No such file or directory jaharkes @ cs.cmu.edu in reply to RMS on linux.kernel ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]Kernel 2.4.25 performance issues
Rahul Kumar [3/2/2004 2:40 PM] : We have an C application that is NOT improving in performance on increasing the # of CPU's - infact the performance degraded. In fact the performance on 2.4.20-25 is very poor despite increasing m/c configuration. Where is the bottleneck - disk i/o, or cpu? Some vmstat / iostat readouts might tell you more. And if that is an email application, how are you injecting the email? Keep into account stuff like nagel / tcp slowstart penalties And how are you using smp on that machine - threads? srs -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Suresh Ramasubramanian) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ mv linux Gnu/Linux mv: cannot move `linux' to `Gnu/Linux': No such file or directory jaharkes @ cs.cmu.edu in reply to RMS on linux.kernel ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIG] New Apache licence runs into rough GPL weather
Sandip Bhattacharya writes on 3/3/2004 6:06 AM: After the XFree86 4.4 saga, another license disagreement is brewing. This time between the FSF and the apache Software foundation, over teh compatibility of Apache license and GPL. This might have ramifications over Debians packaging of Apache software. Brian Behlendorf was in Madras a few days back (2/19) and he mentioned that - * Several GNU people, including Eben Moglen, do like the Apache license * Some of the wording in GPL3 may well be inspired by the Apache license * Currently incompatible with GPL is just semantics And isn't this slightly old news? Even slashdot got tired of discussing it (not surprising, given the usual low attention span of that place) srs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [LIG] Re: CBI is logged in, checking your email?
Rishabh == Rishabh Manocha writes: [examples of keyloggers and packet sniffers snipped] Rishabh i am pretty sure they r able to crack passwords but i Rishabh dont know how easily they will decrypt pgp encrypted Rishabh messages or ssh connections. Don't recall the article making either of these claims. --srs -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Suresh Ramasubramanian) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ mv linux Gnu/Linux mv: cannot move `linux' to `Gnu/Linux': No such file or directory jaharkes @ cs.cmu.edu in reply to RMS on linux.kernel ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Re: [LIH](fwd) [apache-ssl] Apache-SSL security advisory - apache_1.3.28+ssl_1.52 and prior
Raj Mathur [2/7/2004 9:19 AM] : [Please upgrade Apache mod_ssl -- Raju] apache-ssl != apache with mod_ssl Two entirely different beasts here. apache-ssl = http://www.apache-ssl.org#mod_ssl (which takes you straight to the part where the site says apache-ssl is not mod_ssl) :) mod_ssl = http://www.modssl.org/ srs -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Suresh Ramasubramanian) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src$ mv linux Gnu/Linux mv: cannot move `linux' to `Gnu/Linux': No such file or directory jaharkes @ cs.cmu.edu in reply to RMS on linux.kernel ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [LIG] Free (as in freedom) CS books online
vivek khurana writes on 12/1/2003 2:51 AM: HI! --- Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.moskalyuk.com/links/free_cs_books.htm A very useful link. It has some of the best books. Come to december meet i will give you a choclate for sending such a useful link. Not very possible - I'm in the USA till january and not likely to come to Delhi (I'll be back in Chennai I guess) :) srs ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Some people have just too much time on their hands :)
An x server implemented using ascii art (aalib / aa-project.sourceforge.net)? http://www.meow.org.uk/stan/xserver/ srs ps - This post is just an excuse to test my upgrade of mailman on frodo.hserus.net - it is now running 2.2a0 I tend to keep reasonably current with mailman-cvs - this one is really really bleeding edge, a major upgrade after mailman seems to have remained stable for quite some time ... list admins let me know if something breaks (and I haven't found out that it's broken yet) :) ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] [LIG] Free (as in freedom) CS books online
http://www.moskalyuk.com/links/free_cs_books.htm * Free as in Freedom - Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software * Creating Applications with Mozilla - Mozilla is not just a web browser. It is also a framework for building cross-platform applications using standards such as Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), XML languages such as the XML-based User-interface Language (XUL), eXtensible Binding Language (XBL), and Resource Description Framework (RDF). Gecko, Mozilla's rendering engine, is used as part of the framework, along with other technologies such as XPConnect and XPCOM, Mozilla's component model. The Mozilla development framework also uses programming languages such as JavaScript, C++, C, Python, and Interface Definition Language (IDL). The Mozilla framework is used to create Netscape's Mozilla-based browsers (Netscape 6.x and 7.x), other browsers such as Galeon and Camino, and chat clients like ChatZilla and JabberZilla. Developers also use Mozilla to create development tools, browser enhancements, games, and other types of add-ons and applications. This book explains how applic ations are created with Mozilla and provides step-by-step information that shows how to create your own programs using Mozilla's powerful cross-platform development framework. It also includes examples of different existing applications to demonstrate the possibilities of Mozilla development. * The Art of Unix Programming - There is a vast difference between knowledge and expertise. Knowledge lets you deduce the right thing to do; expertise makes the right thing a reflex, hardly requiring conscious thought at all. This book has a lot of knowledge in it, but it is mainly about expertise. It is going to try to teach you the things about Unix development that Unix experts know, but aren't aware that they know. It is therefore less about technicalia and more about shared culture than most Unix books both explicit and implicit culture, both conscious and unconscious traditions. It is not a how-to book, it is a why-to book. The why-to has great practical importance, because far too much software is poorly designed. Much of it suffers from bloat, is exceedingly hard to maintain, and is too difficult to port to new platforms or extend in ways the original programmers didn't anticipate. These problems are symptoms of bad design. We hope that readers of this book will learn something of what Unix has to teach about good design. * XForms Essentials - The book in your hands introduces you to XForms, a combination of two of the most successful experiments ever performed on the Web: XML and forms. 2003 marks the 10-year anniversary of forms on the Web. During that time, the Web grew from a loose collection of technical research sites to the livelihood of millions; browser empires have risen and fallen; and the tech economy went through an inflationary period of cosmic proportions only to collapse back in upon itself. The addition of forms to the otherwise static HTML language in 1993 was a revolutionary step forward, making possible Yahoo!, Google, Amazon, Hotmail, and countless other interactive sites. During the mid-nineties, the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), began work on XML, a uniform way to represent structured text and data, in an attempt to simplify an earlier language called SGML. XML became a W3C Recommendation in 1998, and has since gained momentum, becoming the foundation for XHTML , SVG, the Universal Business Language (UBL), syndication formats like RSS, and DocBook (which was used to write this book). Nearly every data format that consists primarily of human-readable data has been influenced by XML. * The Linux Development Platform - The Linux Development Platform shows how to choose the best open source and GNU development tools for your specific needs, and integrate them into a complete development environment that maximizes your effectiveness in any project. It covers editors, compilers, assemblers, debuggers, version control, utilities, LSB, Java, cross-platform solutions, and the entire Linux software development process. * Intrusion Detection with SNORT: Advanced IDS Techniques Using SNORT, Apache, MySQL, PHP, and ACID - Rafeeq Ur Rehman explains and simplifies every aspect of deploying and managing Snort in your network. You'll discover how to monitor all your network traffic in real time; update Snort to reflect new security threats; automate and analyze Snort alerts; and more. Best of all, Rehman's custom scripts integrate Snort with Apache, MySQL, PHP, and ACID-so you can build and optimize a complete IDS solution more quickly than ever before. * Embedded Software Development with eCos - Embedded Software Development with eCos shows developers and managers the advantages of using the eCos Embedded Configurable Operating System from Red Hat over proprietary or commercial embedded operating systems. In this start-to-finish guide to eCos solution building,
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]TCP Wrapper problem
Sandip Bhattacharya writes on 10/24/2003 8:46 AM: I seem to be having a problem using TCP Wrappers to restrict access to the portmap service on my Red Hat Linux 9 box. I want to allow every host except one. My hosts.deny file contains this: hosts.deny is deprecated. Put the deny entry explicitly in hosts.allow. ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]Catch-all acount problem due to multiple recipients
Sandip Bhattacharya [10/1/2003 12:30 AM] : But my question is that is there a way to cajole/coerce sendmail to make multiple copies of the mail locally (according to the envelope recipient) therefore keeping envelope information intact before delivering them? Issue for your local delivery agent - procmail or whatever. Have fetchmail handoff to procmail directly (see man fetchmail) - that might help. ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Re: [LIH]New sendmail breaks STARTTLS
Raj Mathur [9/19/2003 6:55 PM] : Anyone else experiencing STARTTLS weirdness after upgrading Sendmail? I'm not able to have clients authenticate to the server anymore (even when both the client and the server are the same machine) after upgrading Sendmail after the latest advisory. Certificates are self-signed. They haven't expired. Certificate verification fails each time with `self signed certificate' error. See followups to Claus Assmann's posting about 8.12.10 ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] by Marc-Christian Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Claus' reply. No change in the TLS code, as Claus says ... What error are you getting in your logs? This is from cf/README ... ${verify} holds the result of the verification of the presented cert. Possible values are: OK verification succeeded. NO no cert presented. NOT no cert requested. FAIL cert presented but could not be verified, e.g., the cert of the signing CA is missing. NONE STARTTLS has not been performed. TEMP temporary error occurred. PROTOCOL protocol error occurred (SMTP level). SOFTWARE STARTTLS handshake failed. ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIH]New sendmail breaks STARTTLS
Raj Mathur [9/20/2003 9:12 AM] : Where can I find this? Threads on comp.mail.sendmail Suresh What error are you getting in your logs? This is from Suresh cf/README ... verify=FAIL. That is ok - as long as the mail gets through. You'd normally have to present a client CERT signed using the same CA as you used for your self signed CERT for verify=OK, if you are controlling relaying using self signed certs instead of using SMTP AUTH or relaying for specific static IPs. Normally if you are just using a self signed cert to TLS encrypt mail, then it should go through without problem. Like I said, logs please. srs ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Re: [LIH]New sendmail breaks STARTTLS
Raj Mathur [9/20/2003 10:38 AM] : The certificates are OK, they are read when Sendmail starts up, they were working up to yesterday (before the upgrade). BTW, the logs are from my local machine, but the remote server also exhibits the same behaviour. Did you by any chance upgrade openssl in the meantime as well? ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Re: [LIH](fwd) exim remote heap overflow, probably not exploitable
Raj Mathur [9/4/2003 7:38 AM] : [please upgrade if you use Exim v4.21 -- Raju] This bugtraq post is a bit of old news. Also, 4.21 had assorted IPV6 bugs in it and was reverted pretty soon. 4.22 is current, I'd recommend you move to that. srs ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] spam problem !
Jim De wrote on July 12, 2003 re: [ilugd] spam problem : Thanks for the feedback. I am using postfix but it is currently in the closed intranet environment. for external email i am still stuck with using the smtp and pop3 services of our host provider. If you get such problems mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have a dedicated IP from palcom, and want to send mail out to the ilugd list using it ... if that is the case mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with details of what your IP is. If you are using Palcom's smtp server to send out mail do note that their entire IP block is listed in assorted antispam lists because they are hosting spammers on a non-stop basis, and not paying any attention to complaints. You can find several providers who have an antispam attitude and also provide smtp auth capable email (for free even) - http://www.myrealbox.com for example. Other providers (such as http://www.pobox.com and http://www.fastmail.fm for example) will sell you imap/pop3 + smtp auth accounts for a moderate rate per month. Lots of other providers too - indiainfo, yahoo etc provide pop3 + smtp auth for a premium rate. Or you can be an ultra geek and use an ssh tunnel to send out your mail through a free shell account somewhere (like arbornet.org / grex.cyberspace.org) srs ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd