RE: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems
After experimenting a bit, I found that date ranges can be entered either with a / (eg 1988/1992), with a – (eg 1988-1992) which gets converted or displayed in the / format, or in a from-to format (eg From 1988 To 1992). In the latter format, it still doesn’t like the word Present, but you can just leave off the To clause (eg From 1988). This would be similar to saying After 1988, but with a minor difference in implication. After implies a one-time event occurring sometime after the specified date, while From implies an on-going activity starting at the given date and continuing to the present unless the To clause is there to specify the ending date. The From/To format does display appropriately on the Timeline in the Chronology part of the Individual Report. From/To shows a bar covering the time range and From shows a triangle at the starting point. I didn’t look to see how an After date is displayed on the Timeline. From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems After 2002 (in date) and to present date, as at December 2013 (in Notes) is how I am doing this kind of thing On 5 December 2013 13:39, Bryan Pratt brya...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: Legacy 8.0.0.357 Windows 8.1 I have myself recorded as a Residence Event living in a certain city from quote “2002 - Present”. If on the individual Edit Event window I check “Exclude this instance of this event from problem checking” and Save, the problem still remains. Or is there another acceptable way to write this date? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues
I never save anything to My Documents or My Pictures myself. I put it on a separate hard drive where I can find it. The only thing that gets saved to those two folders is what a program will put there. I'm against putting my data on the C drive. It's only good for people who don't have separate or partitioned drives. MS likes to trash everybody's drive to slow down your system so you have to upgrade. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: grayscot2 [mailto:graysc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:57 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues Much against my will, I'm probably going to follow this for Data, if not for media, but I would like to propose that hereafter all user data be allowed to be put somewhere else besides the Microsoft categories. Doesn't anyone else resent the patronizing, over-possessive My Documents and My Pictures? It makes you want to throw up to begin with and then the contempt it shows for Windows users seals the deal.It is easy enough to copy over the necessary folder and sub-folders to a dedicated custom directory without all the other MS trash in it. Please don't do this again. From: Leon Chapman [chap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 01:30 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues Margaret: Legacy 8 has been updated to install the software in the more traditional areas of Windows which provided enhanced security. The older version 7.5 installed at the root level of drive C at C:\Legacy\ and this by-passed the normal security built into Windows. I recommend you use the latest L8 standard for installing and saving all your new files. Legacy 8 installs its program files in C:\Program Files (x86)\ which is where they should be installed. You should not mess with any of these files in this location. The Legacy 8 user data have been moved to: C:/Users/myname/documents/Legacyfamilytree/ There are subfolders under this directory that you should use: 1. \_AppData\ -- this is where your usr settings and Books and iSearch, etc settings are stored 2. \Data\ -- This is where you should keep your Legacy 8 data files (Carter.fdb, etc) 3. \Media\ -- This is where all your pictures, pdfs, videos, etc should be placed (Note: In Legacy 7, this folder was called \Pictures\) The other 2 folders, Legacy FS and LegacyCharting are for those applications within Legacy. The only real folders you need to worry about are: 1. C:/Users/myname/documents/Legacyfamilytree/Data/ 2. C:/Users/myname/documents/Legacyfamilytree/Media/ I recommend you copy (and I mean COPY and not MOVE) your old Legacy 7 data files from: C:\Legacy\Data to the new folder: C:\Users\myname\documents\Legacyfamilytree\Data\ I recommend you copy (and I mean COPY and not MOVE) your old Legacy 7 picture files from: C:\Legacy\Pictures to the new folder: C:\Users\myname\documents\Legacyfamilytree\Media\ Note: Copy you the Legacy 7 files so you retain the original Legacy 7 files in their original location. This will allow you to run both Legacy 7 and 8 on your computer and it sort of provides a backup of your Legacy 7 original files. Once you open a Legacy 7 database in Legacy 8, you cannot go back to Legacy 7, unless you use a GEDCOM format. After you have copied your Legacy 7 database files and pictures to the new Legacy 8 locations, then open Legacy 8 and do a File, Open, and browse to the file and open the Carter.fdb, in your case. It will convert your database to the new Legacy 8 format. Good luck. Leon Chapman ___ Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com - --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe:
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:54 AM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote: I never save anything to My Documents or My Pictures myself. I put it on a separate hard drive where I can find it. The only thing that gets saved to those two folders is what a program will put there. I'm against putting my data on the C drive. It's only good for people who don't have separate or partitioned drives. MS likes to trash everybody's drive to slow down your system so you have to upgrade. Bill Boswell Obviously, you consider yourself an expert on all things computer related. Could you please stop using this forum to bash genealogy programs (you commented that genealogy programs don't want you to move your data out of their program so they make it nearly impossible to export (I'm paraphrasing)), you bash Microsoft because in your paranoia you claim they want to control and trash your data, etc. You have practically said that anybody who follows the norm(s) for installing a program doesn't really know what they are doing. This is supposed to be a list to help and support people in the operation of Legacy. It is not meant to be a forum to constantly tell people that in your opinion you are the only one who really knows how to use a computer. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data. Ward From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Thanks Kirsty, Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-( Thanks for making us aware of this one. Gavin... From: Kirsty M. Haining [mailto:khain...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, 5 December 2013 11:48 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Gavin, that is exactly what I’m saying. Using a gedcom export, the data shows up ONLY under the event initiator’s dataset. Keep in mind, however, that if you use Legacy to create your reports, charts, sharing via PDF files, etc. then the shared events should appear properly within the particular reports (according the report options you’ve chosen). The issue is with gedcom export.* cheers, Kirsty J *Or, technically, the issue arises anytime you’re using another software program to handle a Legacy file, be it gedcom or native FDB format. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Hi all, There hasn’t been a response to my query – does anyone know please? If not, then I will request a feature on this. Thanks, Jemima From: Ardenholme Genealogy [mailto:geneal...@ardenholme.co.uk] Sent: 01 December 2013 10:13 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Hi Leo et al, Thank you for your detailed instructions on how to preview a list of people using one location that is great! However it does not seem to be in chronological order, how do I do that please? Loving L8 so far! Thank you guys for your hard work. Many thanks, Jemima From: Leo MacDonald [mailto:macdonald...@hotmail.com] Sent: 26 November 2013 00:19 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Hi Colette, snip 1) Click View at the top of your screen. 2) Click Master lists. 3) Click Location. 4) Click Options. 5) Untag all records. 6) Locate the cemetery or cemeteries you wish to do a report on. 7) Click the Tag box to the right of the cemetery. 7) Click Options again. 8) Click Print. 9) Click Location Report. 10) In the Include tab select under Locations to print click Only tagged locations. 11) In the What to print section choose whatever you want in your report. 12) In the Options tab select what you want in your report. 13) Click the Preview button. snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems
Kurt, Yes, dates can be entered this way, but I recommend that you not do it! This is not a valid date format and does not export well to other programs. When I want a quick date entry of a range, I will prefix that with either bet or from; the first expands to bet x and y; the second to from x to y. The word present in a date range probably should not be created as an option, event though it seems useful. Not only is it not going to be understood in Gedcom by another program, but more importantly when you create a report including that person a year from now, it may no longer be true. I would usually enter it with current month and year and then include in notes something like as of (today), this was still true. john. At 09:09 AM 12/5/2013, Kurt Kneeland wrote: After experimenting a bit, I found that date ranges can be entered either with a / (eg 1988/1992), with a (eg 1988-1992) which gets converted or dispplayed in the / format, or in a from-to format (eg From 1988 To 1992). In the latter format, it still doesnât like the word Present, but you can just leave off the To clause (eg From 1988). This would be similar to saying After 1988, but with a minor difference in implication. After implies a one-time event occurring sometime after the specified date, while From implies an on-going activity starting at the given date and continuing to the present unless the To clause is there to specify the ending date. The From/To format does display appropriately on the Timeline in the Chronology part of the Individual Report. From/To shows a bar covering the time range and From shows a triangle at the starting point. I didnât look to see how an After date is displayed on the Timeline. From: Kathy Thompson [ mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems After 2002 (in date) and to present date, as at December 2013 (in Notes) is how I am doing this kind of thing On 5 December 2013 13:39, Bryan Pratt brya...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: Legacy 8.0.0.357 Windows 8.1 I have myself recorded as a Residence Event living in a certain city from quote â2002 - Presentâ. If on the individual Edit Event window I check âExclude this instance of this event from problem checkingâ and Save, the problem still remains. Or is there another acceptable way to write this date? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues
Bill, I also like to keep all of my document files on a different drive than the c: drive. Maybe this has been discussed here before but you can tell Windows to relocate folders like My Documents, My Pictures, My Videos etc. to a different location, in my case the e: drive.That leaves only the operating system and programs on c: with all my data on e:.With the Legacy 8 install, the Legacy Family Tree folder was created in e:/My Documents/ even though the program was installed in c:. It works good for me. Dave Pointer -Original Message- I never save anything to My Documents or My Pictures myself. I put it on a separate hard drive where I can find it. The only thing that gets saved to those two folders is what a program will put there. I'm against putting my data on the C drive. It's only good for people who don't have separate or partitioned drives. MS likes to trash everybody's drive to slow down your system so you have to upgrade. Bill Boswell Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Perhaps, I am too simplistic, but I include the burial, even the name of the cemetery in the burial position on the profile of that person. Orinda On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Ardenholme Genealogy geneal...@ardenholme.co.uk wrote: Hi all, There hasn’t been a response to my query – does anyone know please? If not, then I will request a feature on this. Thanks, Jemima *From:* Ardenholme Genealogy [mailto:geneal...@ardenholme.co.uk] *Sent:* 01 December 2013 10:13 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Hi Leo et al, Thank you for your detailed instructions on how to preview a list of people using one location that is great! However it does not seem to be in chronological order, how do I do that please? Loving L8 so far! Thank you guys for your hard work. Many thanks, Jemima *From:* Leo MacDonald [mailto:macdonald...@hotmail.commacdonald...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* 26 November 2013 00:19 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Hi Colette, snip 1) Click View at the top of your screen. 2) Click Master lists. 3) Click Location. 4) Click Options. 5) Untag all records. 6) Locate the cemetery or cemeteries you wish to do a report on. 7) Click the Tag box to the right of the cemetery. 7) Click Options again. 8) Click Print. 9) Click Location Report. 10) In the Include tab select under Locations to print click Only tagged locations. 11) In the What to print section choose whatever you want in your report. 12) In the Options tab select what you want in your report. 13) Click the Preview button. snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues
On 2013/12/05 16:54, William Boswell wrote: I never save anything to My Documents or My Pictures myself. I put it on a separate hard drive where I can find it. The only thing that gets saved to those two folders is what a program will put there. I'm against putting my data on the C drive. It's only good for people who don't have separate or partitioned drives. MS likes to trash everybody's drive to slow down your system so you have to upgrade. You could always move My Documents to a second drive :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Family File Statistics Report - RIN
Hello I am fascinated with the Family File Statistics Report with all those data about my family! With the RIN checked, it does not appear on the report? Should it be? And where should I see it, I am guessing things like Longest Living Individuals, Longest marriage, Longest male/female lifespan? If so, it does not appear on my report. Many thanks, Jemima Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues
I didn't know you could get Windows to relocate My Documents to different locations. I never really use My Documents unless I purchased music online and it puts it there. Thanks for the suggestion. Bill -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:famho...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:15 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues Bill, I also like to keep all of my document files on a different drive than the c: drive. Maybe this has been discussed here before but you can tell Windows to relocate folders like My Documents, My Pictures, My Videos etc. to a different location, in my case the e: drive.That leaves only the operating system and programs on c: with all my data on e:.With the Legacy 8 install, the Legacy Family Tree folder was created in e:/My Documents/ even though the program was installed in c:. It works good for me. Dave Pointer -Original Message- I never save anything to My Documents or My Pictures myself. I put it on a separate hard drive where I can find it. The only thing that gets saved to those two folders is what a program will put there. I'm against putting my data on the C drive. It's only good for people who don't have separate or partitioned drives. MS likes to trash everybody's drive to slow down your system so you have to upgrade. Bill Boswell Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Black On Black
If I could get it to white type on black that would be fine, but 10.1 doesn't seem to have a provision for changing the Notes font color. I have re-installed 7.5 and verified that Richtx32.ocx is in Windows\system32 and registered. I haven't re-installed 8 but got positive responses on registering richtx32.ocx in Windows\systerm32 and syswow64. The error message on clicking Notes in 8 is: Richtx32Invalid Property Value so it must have something to do with Richtx32.ocx but doesn't value suggest it is something set in the Registry? I've run sfc /scannow and gotten assurances no files are missing and integrity is OK. From: Sherry/Support [she...@legacyfamilytree.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 09:45 AM To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Black On Black The Note windows in Legacy are based on Windows setting. You can change the font style and color in Options Customize Fonts 10.1 but not the background color. In the past, the black windows have been related to a faulty Richtxt32.ocx file, as shown in our KB article http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00378/11/Error-Messages-Problems/Black-Screens-in-Legacy.html Did you try those steps? Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:28 PM, grayscot2 graysc...@gmail.com wrote: I've described the problem earlier but there seems to be no solution available: All the Notes portions of views in 7.5 and now 8 are black backgrounds with apparently only black type available. Technical support can't help. Otherwise the program seems to be working fine. This is true for Geoff's sample file as for my own. Is there anything in the color or font options that might alter this? I've tried some combinations but nothing--anywhere--seems to change, so apparently I don't know how these work. I just need to change the Notes field screens themselves not the whole panel or view. Prescott Smith graysc...@gmail.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues
On 2013/12/05 18:46, William Boswell wrote: I didn't know you could get Windows to relocate My Documents to different locations. I never really use My Documents unless I purchased music online and it puts it there. Thanks for the suggestion. In Windows Explorer, right-click on My Documents and select Properties. Then, click on the Location tab. There, you'll find a Move button. Have fun. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Leo recommended a Location report since you record the cemetery as part of your burial locations. There is no way to sort that report by date since there can be a multitude of dates for a single person's use of a location. Remember this report is for all locations and the standard is to use town names as the location so the same person could have a many events in the same location if they lived their entire life in one place. You specific use of the report may mean there is only one use of the location by each person but that is not the way most users will use the report. You would be better to create a search list of people where the burial location contains your cemetery name. A report for a search list can be exported as a csv (comma separated values) file which can be imported into any spreadsheet program. Once you have imported the file into a spreadsheet you can sort the sheet by the burial date. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com On 05/12/2013 10:27 AM, Ardenholme Genealogy wrote: Hi all, There hasn’t been a response to my query – does anyone know please? If not, then I will request a feature on this. Thanks, Jemima From: Ardenholme Genealogy [mailto:geneal...@ardenholme.co.uk] Sent: 01 December 2013 10:13 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Hi Leo et al, Thank you for your detailed instructions on how to preview a list of people using one location that is great! However it does not seem to be in chronological order, how do I do that please? From: Leo MacDonald [mailto:macdonald...@hotmail.com] Sent: 26 November 2013 00:19 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Hi Colette, 1) Click View at the top of your screen. 2) Click Master lists. 3) Click Location. 4) Click Options. 5) Untag all records. 6) Locate the cemetery or cemeteries you wish to do a report on. 7) Click the Tag box to the right of the cemetery. 7) Click Options again. 8) Click Print. 9) Click Location Report. 10) In the Include tab select under Locations to print click Only tagged locations. 11) In the What to print section choose whatever you want in your report. 12) In the Options tab select what you want in your report. 13) Click the Preview button. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Bill, How do you plan to publish your research? Knowing where you plan on ending up will guide you to how you use some of the new features of Legacy. My principal publishing vehicle is to web publish with TNG. As TNG does not know anything about Legacy SW sources, I have never bothered to adopt them. That said, when Legacy exports a family file with SourceWriter sources to a Gedcom, the SW Source is exported, more or less, as a Basic source which can imported to TNG. I am not using Shared Events until either Legacy extends its Gedcom export to export Shared events as regular events OR TNG supports Shared events and Legacy Gedcom of Shared events. If you plan to publish to Legacy Web Pages or Legacy Reports, you will make different decisions as they support both SW and sources and Shared Events. The tools you use are going to be based on the what you plan to do with your research. SourceWriter sources are a reasonably safe bet, no matter what you do. As Sherry from Support has said, she has had fewer than a handful of cases in 10 years when a user needed to go to a Gedcom file to recover their data. And most of them were pre-Legacy 7. So Ward's concern is real, but the risk today is only that your sources are converted to Basic Sources. Shared Events, on the other hand, are a work in progress. I really think they add a lot and would like to use them but until there is a way to get them into TNG, I have to defer. john. At 11:43 AM 12/5/2013, William Boswell wrote: I just started converting my basic citations over to SourceWriter. Maybe I should keep them in basic if there's a problem exporting to a GEDCOM. Thanks for letting me know before I got too far with it. I haven't explored Shared Events yet so I guess I should wait on that too. Bill Boswell From: Ward Walker [ mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:44 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data. Ward From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Thanks Kirsty, Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-( Thanks for making us aware of this one. Gavin... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues
I am trying to follow this correspondence but looking at My Documents I see that not only all media and data has been put there under the Legacy Family Tree folder, but also sub-folders as follows: Legacy Family Tree NameMaster-media 2013-12-02 18.07.58 Legacy Program Files (x86) Legacy Users Followed by lots of later backups but without the sub-folders. Legacy8 also appears (with lots of sub-folders) in my C\Program Files (x86). Should I really have two copies of the program floating around? On 5 December 2013 16:59, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. -Original Message- From: Mike Fry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:54 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues On 2013/12/05 18:46, William Boswell wrote: I didn't know you could get Windows to relocate My Documents to different locations. I never really use My Documents unless I purchased music online and it puts it there. Thanks for the suggestion. In Windows Explorer, right-click on My Documents and select Properties. Then, click on the Location tab. There, you'll find a Move button. Have fun. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
I have been debating for years how to use my data. By choice I don't have a website anymore, but may export it to HTML or an equivalent web-based format to put on disc. Most likely it will be in a report or reformatted in book format. Occasionally I'd like to update Legacy 7.5's data since I still have that installed. It's useful if I mess something up and can make a quick check rather than going through backups to find what I'm looking for. From: John B. Lisle [mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:32 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Bill, How do you plan to publish your research? Knowing where you plan on ending up will guide you to how you use some of the new features of Legacy. My principal publishing vehicle is to web publish with TNG. As TNG does not know anything about Legacy SW sources, I have never bothered to adopt them. That said, when Legacy exports a family file with SourceWriter sources to a Gedcom, the SW Source is exported, more or less, as a Basic source which can imported to TNG. I am not using Shared Events until either Legacy extends its Gedcom export to export Shared events as regular events OR TNG supports Shared events and Legacy Gedcom of Shared events. If you plan to publish to Legacy Web Pages or Legacy Reports, you will make different decisions as they support both SW and sources and Shared Events. The tools you use are going to be based on the what you plan to do with your research. SourceWriter sources are a reasonably safe bet, no matter what you do. As Sherry from Support has said, she has had fewer than a handful of cases in 10 years when a user needed to go to a Gedcom file to recover their data. And most of them were pre-Legacy 7. So Ward's concern is real, but the risk today is only that your sources are converted to Basic Sources. Shared Events, on the other hand, are a work in progress. I really think they add a lot and would like to use them but until there is a way to get them into TNG, I have to defer. john. At 11:43 AM 12/5/2013, William Boswell wrote: I just started converting my basic citations over to SourceWriter. Maybe I should keep them in basic if there's a problem exporting to a GEDCOM. Thanks for letting me know before I got too far with it. I haven't explored Shared Events yet so I guess I should wait on that too. Bill Boswell From: Ward Walker [ mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com ] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:44 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data. Ward From: Gavin Nicholson mailto:gavn...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Thanks Kirsty, Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-( Thanks for making us aware of this one. Gavin... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree ) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/ ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:
Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
John I happened to be one person who had to resolve database nulls when linked to FamilySearch by using the gedcom export / import. This was on version 7.5. I still keep a reminder to the effect When creating an email source using Sourcewriter and subsequently exporting the file as a GEDCOM, the Title of the source gets dropped for the words which come after the expression [(E-ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE),]. The Title gets referred to as ABBR in the GEDCOM and is not imported as the source Title into any other software. What's even worse, is that the ABBR field gets contacenated with the Comments field by some software, effectively making the source unintelligible. To my knowledge, this still applies - maybe Sherry has an update on this? Alan Pereira From: John B. Lisle [mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] Sent: 05 December 2013 17:32 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Bill, How do you plan to publish your research? Knowing where you plan on ending up will guide you to how you use some of the new features of Legacy. My principal publishing vehicle is to web publish with TNG. As TNG does not know anything about Legacy SW sources, I have never bothered to adopt them. That said, when Legacy exports a family file with SourceWriter sources to a Gedcom, the SW Source is exported, more or less, as a Basic source which can imported to TNG. I am not using Shared Events until either Legacy extends its Gedcom export to export Shared events as regular events OR TNG supports Shared events and Legacy Gedcom of Shared events. If you plan to publish to Legacy Web Pages or Legacy Reports, you will make different decisions as they support both SW and sources and Shared Events. The tools you use are going to be based on the what you plan to do with your research. SourceWriter sources are a reasonably safe bet, no matter what you do. As Sherry from Support has said, she has had fewer than a handful of cases in 10 years when a user needed to go to a Gedcom file to recover their data. And most of them were pre-Legacy 7. So Ward's concern is real, but the risk today is only that your sources are converted to Basic Sources. Shared Events, on the other hand, are a work in progress. I really think they add a lot and would like to use them but until there is a way to get them into TNG, I have to defer. john. At 11:43 AM 12/5/2013, William Boswell wrote: I just started converting my basic citations over to SourceWriter. Maybe I should keep them in basic if there's a problem exporting to a GEDCOM. Thanks for letting me know before I got too far with it. I haven't explored Shared Events yet so I guess I should wait on that too. Bill Boswell From: Ward Walker [ mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com ] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:44 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data. Ward From: Gavin Nicholson mailto:gavn...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Thanks Kirsty, Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-( Thanks for making us aware of this one. Gavin... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues
Elizabeth, If you are using Windows 7, “My Document” is similar to a short cut and part of “Libraries” which point to where the data is actually stored. This allows you to store information in one place regardless of where on your computer it is physically located. They are not really two (2) copies. Charles From: Elizabeth Hatchell [mailto:elizab...@hatchells.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:44 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues I am trying to follow this correspondence but looking at My Documents I see that not only all media and data has been put there under the Legacy Family Tree folder, but also sub-folders as follows: Legacy Family Tree NameMaster-media 2013-12-02 18.07.58 Legacy Program Files (x86) Legacy Users Followed by lots of later backups but without the sub-folders. Legacy8 also appears (with lots of sub-folders) in my C\Program Files (x86). Should I really have two copies of the program floating around? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues
Yes, Windows 7. I didn't realise they were just shortcuts. That helps - thanks, Charles. On 5 December 2013 18:13, Charles Apple apple1...@centurylink.net wrote: Elizabeth, If you are using Windows 7, “My Document” is similar to a short cut and part of “Libraries” which point to where the data is actually stored. This allows you to store information in one place regardless of where on your computer it is physically located. They are not really two (2) copies. Charles *From:* Elizabeth Hatchell [mailto:elizab...@hatchells.co.uk] *Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:44 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues I am trying to follow this correspondence but looking at My Documents I see that not only all media and data has been put there under the Legacy Family Tree folder, but also sub-folders as follows: Legacy Family Tree NameMaster-media 2013-12-02 18.07.58 Legacy Program Files (x86) Legacy Users Followed by lots of later backups but without the sub-folders. Legacy8 also appears (with lots of sub-folders) in my C\Program Files (x86). Should I really have two copies of the program floating around? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Ward When the standards for Gedcom were created way back when, this 'new feature' wasn't even considered or even imagined. Don't blame the software for it, blame the standards that haven't been updated. Whatever browser you are using to read this email and view the web certainly isnt following the standards of the HTML 3.0 which was the first widely used and accepted standards for that category of electronic data. As Kristy said, the issue is wit the gedcom. Jay On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote: I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data. Ward *From:* Gavin Nicholson gavn...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Thanks Kirsty, Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-( Thanks for making us aware of this one. Gavin... *From:* Kirsty M. Haining [mailto:khain...@comcast.net] *Sent:* Thursday, 5 December 2013 11:48 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Gavin, that is *exactly* what I’m saying. Using a gedcom export, the data shows up ONLY under the event initiator’s dataset. Keep in mind, however, that if you use *Legacy* to create your reports, charts, sharing via PDF files, etc. then the shared events should appear properly within the particular reports (according the report options you’ve chosen). The issue is with *gedcom* export.* cheers, Kirsty J *Or, technically, the issue arises anytime you’re using another software program to handle a Legacy file, be it gedcom or native FDB format. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
There have been several LUG discussions about this. When Legacy formats source citation output from a template-based source, in many cases (i.e., templates) it intermixes field values from the master source and the detail source to achieve a nicely worded citation. But upon export, it simply appends all the master fields together, followed by all the detail fields. The result, upon import, can be garbled data and misplaced punctuation or keywords. Some templates are worse than others. (I can’t tell if there is an additional, compounding bug in your example of an e-mail source.) Ward From: Alan Pereira Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] John I happened to be one person who had to resolve database nulls when linked to FamilySearch by using the gedcom export / import. This was on version 7.5. I still keep a reminder to the effect When creating an email source using Sourcewriter and subsequently exporting the file as a GEDCOM, the Title of the source gets dropped for the words which come after the expression [(E-ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE),]. The Title gets referred to as ABBR in the GEDCOM and is not imported as the source Title into any other software. What's even worse, is that the ABBR field gets contacenated with the Comments field by some software, effectively making the source unintelligible. To my knowledge, this still applies - maybe Sherry has an update on this? Alan Pereira From: John B. Lisle [mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] Sent: 05 December 2013 17:32 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Bill, How do you plan to publish your research? Knowing where you plan on ending up will guide you to how you use some of the new features of Legacy. My principal publishing vehicle is to web publish with TNG. As TNG does not know anything about Legacy SW sources, I have never bothered to adopt them. That said, when Legacy exports a family file with SourceWriter sources to a Gedcom, the SW Source is exported, more or less, as a Basic source which can imported to TNG. I am not using Shared Events until either Legacy extends its Gedcom export to export Shared events as regular events OR TNG supports Shared events and Legacy Gedcom of Shared events. If you plan to publish to Legacy Web Pages or Legacy Reports, you will make different decisions as they support both SW and sources and Shared Events. The tools you use are going to be based on the what you plan to do with your research. SourceWriter sources are a reasonably safe bet, no matter what you do. As Sherry from Support has said, she has had fewer than a handful of cases in 10 years when a user needed to go to a Gedcom file to recover their data. And most of them were pre-Legacy 7. So Ward's concern is real, but the risk today is only that your sources are converted to Basic Sources. Shared Events, on the other hand, are a work in progress. I really think they add a lot and would like to use them but until there is a way to get them into TNG, I have to defer. john. At 11:43 AM 12/5/2013, William Boswell wrote: I just started converting my basic citations over to SourceWriter. Maybe I should keep them in basic if there's a problem exporting to a GEDCOM. Thanks for letting me know before I got too far with it. I haven't explored Shared Events yet so I guess I should wait on that too. Bill Boswell From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:44 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data. Ward From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Thanks Kirsty, Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-( Thanks for making us aware of this one. Gavin... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived
Re: [LegacyUG] Backup overwriting
Orinda, I am concerned that you think there is an UNDO button? Can you explain what you think that is? ay On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.comwrote: I had both of the boxes checked. I may have checked them this afternoon. Everything is working just like I wanted it to work this afternoon, so I must have checked them when I was so frustrated. Now, to redo all the input. Thank you so much.Orinda On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote: When you go to back up your file, on that pop-up window there should be an OPTIONS button right next to the Backup button Click on OPTIONS and then select Append Date /or Append Time to default backup file name With both selected you can back up 10 times in the one minute and not overwrite another backup because each will have the unique time added. If you already have these selected, please provide further details so that we might be able to help further On 5 December 2013 16:40, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.com wrote: I am new at Legacy and have just started using Legacy 7.5. When I can do it without a big deal, I will upgrade. Until then. I using 7.5 and can not stop Legacy from overwriting when I backup my family file or exit Legacy. Help says there should be options to not overwrite, I can not find that screen that gives that option. This is my story, I was frustrated. I spent the afternoon inputting some long lost ancestors that I had found. For some reason, when I clicked undo to undo an input, I lost the whole afternoon's work. Then, I thought, I will just go get that other backup. There was nothing there except today's date and the time of closing file. We have to close the family file to restore a file. So, when I closed it backed up and overwrote by previous file. Looking at my backup files, I see that at one time in September 2013, it was not overwriting. I don't know why I lost the no overwrite feature. Can anyone tell me why I can't find the proper screen to tell it to quit overwriting? Orinda Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Alan, Thank you for this sharing. I am not in Support. Although I am a tester for Legacy, I am first and foremost a user, like yourself. I do not know the particulars of most of the support issues unless they are elevated to the Test group for testing - or for testing a fix. I have a personal mission to assure a Legacy Gedcom can recreate the Family family from whence it came, as much as possible. I am under the impression that the original issue with SourceWriter sources and Gedcoms is based on the complexity of what the Gedcom structure would be to export them completely for the very limited expected use. As I said previously, the vast majority of the users will want a source that can be imported into another program. Getting SW to Gedcom export correctly is on my personal list of Gedcom updates that I want to see happen. john. At 01:03 PM 12/5/2013, Alan Pereira wrote: John I happened to be one person who had to resolve database nulls when linked to FamilySearch by using the gedcom export / import. This was on version 7.5. I still keep a reminder to the effect When creating an email source using Sourcewriter and subsequently exporting the file as a GEDCOM, the Title of the source gets dropped for the words which come after the _expression_ [(E-ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE),]. The Title gets referred to as ABBR in the GEDCOM and is not imported as the source Title into any other software. What's even worse, is that the ABBR field gets contacenated with the Comments field by some software, effectively making the source unintelligible. To my knowledge, this still applies - maybe Sherry has an update on this? Alan Pereira From: John B. Lisle [ mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] Sent: 05 December 2013 17:32 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Bill, How do you plan to publish your research? Knowing where you plan on ending up will guide you to how you use some of the new features of Legacy. My principal publishing vehicle is to web publish with TNG. As TNG does not know anything about Legacy SW sources, I have never bothered to adopt them. That said, when Legacy exports a family file with SourceWriter sources to a Gedcom, the SW Source is exported, more or less, as a Basic source which can imported to TNG. I am not using Shared Events until either Legacy extends its Gedcom export to export Shared events as regular events OR TNG supports Shared events and Legacy Gedcom of Shared events. If you plan to publish to Legacy Web Pages or Legacy Reports, you will make different decisions as they support both SW and sources and Shared Events. The tools you use are going to be based on the what you plan to do with your research. SourceWriter sources are a reasonably safe bet, no matter what you do. As Sherry from Support has said, she has had fewer than a handful of cases in 10 years when a user needed to go to a Gedcom file to recover their data. And most of them were pre-Legacy 7. So Ward's concern is real, but the risk today is only that your sources are converted to Basic Sources. Shared Events, on the other hand, are a work in progress. I really think they add a lot and would like to use them but until there is a way to get them into TNG, I have to defer. john. At 11:43 AM 12/5/2013, William Boswell wrote: I just started converting my basic citations over to SourceWriter.à Maybe I should keep them in basic if there's a problem exporting to a GEDCOM.à Thanks for letting me know before I got too far with it. I haven't explored Shared Events yet so I guess I should wait on that too. Bill Boswell From: Ward Walker [ mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:44 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data. Ward From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Thanks Kirsty, Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-( Thanks for making us aware of this one. Gavin... Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Thanks, Randy--I hadn't tried this before. From this point, Colette, you can tag the individuals or create a search list, and then report to your heart's content. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event View Master Lists Address Lists Event Choose Cotton Valley Cemetery Show List On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM, COLETTE SIKES cowboyj...@msn.com wrote: Good Day All Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I wanted so bad to create reports and have been on the mailing list for Legacy for a long time, so I finally jumped in! I'm so glad I did! Needless to say, I have lots of cleaning up to do - especially with locations. I have been able to answer many of my questions by searching through the archives but I still have one issue that I haven't been able to resolve. I would like a report of burial locations - show me everyone who is buried in Cotton Valley Cemetery, Cotton Valley, Webster, Louisiana, USA. If I leave the cemetery name in the buried field, then it shows up in the location report as I want it - even if it is wrong because the location should be city, parish/county, state, country. I found Sherry's/Support message from 22 Nov 2010 that states she enters the burial information as a Cemetery Event (and her words - and you can do so much more with the Events Report). So when I changed 3 family members burial location to a Cemetery Event and created the report, it shows up as Alpha Name of the individuals and not grouped together by cemetery. Is there any way I can see everyone who is buried at a certain cemetery grouped together? Thanks so much for any assistance you can provide to this newbie! I look forward to many happy hours with Legacy! Colette Alfred-Sikes Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Or, since the cemetery location would also be used for other individuals, you can use the individual's burial notes to record the transcription, plot #, etc., right? Or is that what you meant, CE? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: CE WOOD wood...@msn.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:00 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Yes. But there is no need for another event; you can do all that if you have the cemetery as the location for the Burial Event. CE From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:53:49 -0500 I don’t put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a separate Cemetery event. Why? Because I can use the notes area of the event to put the transcription of the marker and any other notes such as “grave is unmarked” or the section and plot number or even information about who all is buried in the same plot. I also attach a photo of the marker. Michele Technical Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Alan, that is a great point. However, although my dad was cremated, his ashes have been inurned (yes, I believe that is the term the funeral home used!), so I do have burial information, including the cemetery. In this case, I have not considered also adding a cremation event. (I'm not even sure I know exactly when that occurred.) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Alan Pereira alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:24 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Although Legacy allows you to change the Burial Event to a Cremation, this gets changed back to a Burial Event in a non-Legacy GEDCOM export. Using a separate cremation event overcomes this potential problem. I prefer to leave the Burial event blank and add a Cremation Event to ensure Gedcom compatibility. I use the Burial event only when I know there has been a genuine Burial. Alan Pereira From:CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com] Sent: 24 November 2013 05:00 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Yes. But there is no need for another event; you can do all that if you have the cemetery as the location for the Burial Event. CE From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:53:49 -0500 I don’t put cemetery names in the burial field. I use a separate Cemetery event. Why? Because I can use the notes area of the event to put the transcription of the marker and any other notes such as “grave is unmarked” or the section and plot number or even information about who all is buried in the same plot. I also attach a photo of the marker. Michele Technical Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com From:Paul Kean [mailto:pauljk...@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:07 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Sherry, I don't disagree with your reasoning about the lists and sorting these. However, shouldn't this concept also be extended to other 'events' as well. In Australia, we only use a 3-place addressing system, so its really easy to slip in a patten of using a church or graveyard etc in that top level. Coming from a Christian background, I have lots of marriages and christenings and other events that take place in Churches, which would have a similar issue. So, would you advocate using a real event for each of these. Thanks ..Paul Kean Melbourne, Australia From:Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2013 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event The reason why I recommend *not* to put the cemetery name in the location field is that it messes up sorts in the Master Location List as well as the Expand/Contraction Location Parts tool if you have entered it as Riverview Cemetery, South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States Some people who want the cemetery in the location field will enter it as Riverview Cemetery-South Bend, St. Joseph, Indiana, United States in order to retain the 4-place settings that are required for the proper sort and Expand/Contract. Geoff uses the Burial Address but I don't find that flexible enough for reports. We realize that the 4-place governmental jurisdictions don't always apply for locations outside of the US. In my file, I have utilized commas to keep the four places so I can do a good sort or use the Expand/Contract. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote: Sherry's probably in the majority, but FMPOV Wrong is highly subjective, and if it floats your boat or fills some need you have, put the cemetery name into the burial place field. I'd've personally thought that was where it should go anyway. Cheryl COLETTE SIKES wrote: Good Day All Two weeks ago, I finally purchased Legacy Deluxe Edition (and about died waiting for the password code to arrive so I could download it without the CD!). I have had my tree on Ancestry for 13 years and did purchase Family Tree Maker about 2 years ago so I could sync my tree but for whatever reason mine wouldn't work after the first sync and they weren't able to resolve my problem so I just gave up. I wanted so bad to create reports and have been on the
RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup
I really doubt that v7 really uninstalled. But...it's quite clear that v8 did not. So, the problem continues. Hopefully it will be addressed in a coming update. Don -Original Message- From: grayscot2 [mailto:graysc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:30 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup Don, Did V7 really uninstall? There have been problems with that. === = From: Don Hanson [terra...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 05:59 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup Well… I ran the L8 uninstaller. It left behind C:\Program Files (x86)\Legacy8 folder containing 1919 files, 82 folders with a total size of 138MB. That’s the same size as the new installation. The My Documents\Legacy Family Tree folder was also left behind and the same size as the new installation. There were also numerous Registry entries left behind. I reversed those and deleted the folders and contents, including the C:\Legacy folder that I now know was left after uninstalling L7. I realize that uninstalling a program often leaves files and Registry entries, but what I found goes beyond a ‘conservative’ uninstall. Don From: Don Hanson [mailto:terra...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 4:37 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup Thanks guys, I have been using Family Tree Maker and had not yet imported the Gedcom in L7. I forgot to uninstall L7 before installing L8. I was hoping to easily have a ‘do over’. But, I think it best to do it the ‘right way’ rather than the easiest. Don Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Excellent idea, Mike! Thx. I was also going to mention to Pam that the output is the most important thing; how your information comes OUT of the application should be your driving force. To that end, enter a couple of cemeteries in the locations list, and a couple as burial addresses. Then enter one or two individuals' information using all 4 of those options. Then run reports, including your GEDCOM, to see what you like--what meets your needs. A sandbox database is the perfect place to do this sort of testing. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event On 2013/11/25 13:48, Rose Hatten wrote: Pam, there's a Sample database that comes with Legacy. You might want to test your thoughts on that, changing one thing or another and looking at the reports to see if you like the output. That way you won't mess up your data, and you can get an idea about how each of the options have an effect on sorting, reporting, GEDCOM exporting, and the like. The Sample database, whilst instructive, often doesn't mean as much to people as it does to Geoff. My recommendation to people is to create a cut-down version of your own database and call it Sandbox. This is where you can play and experiment to your heart's content without harming the main object of your affections. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Yes, short-sighted though I may be, I have not entered United States of America on my locations in the US. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event You'd be surprised at how many people don't. They think it's redundant and everyone knows what country their locations are in! Or their locations are all in one country. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM, CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote: But why ever would you not add the country name when you entered the location? CE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Shared event - new person
In working with shared events to see how they work, and reading help files, I don't see the following mentioned. In researching/finding/entering a census it has been common for me to find new people, eg the name and existence of a new child. What is the proper/recommended way to handle this? In v 7 I would complete the census entry, add to the clipboard, add the new person, then append the census entry from the clipboard. Worked like a charm. In v 8 I completed the census entry, added the check marks for individuals already in Legacy and added a new person to share with. Then I saved the event. Next I added the new person to Legacy. The shared event properly shows up in those that were already in Legacy (via check marks), but I haven't figured out how to share the event with the new person. Question - must new persons be entered into Legacy BEFORE attempting the entry for any shared event? Genealogy - - - - - it's in my blood! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Custom Event Sentences in Legacy v8
Or can you restore from backup and wait for it to be fixed in v8 and then reinstall? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Custom Event Sentences in Legacy v8 no maybe not - but it did rearrange things enough to be annoying. I now have my notes in my description field and that has messed up my sentences as a result. For one event I had [HeShe] resided at [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace]. [Notes][Sources] Which would have given me He resided at Oak Hill, Wethersfield Road on 31 March 1901 in Gosfield, Essex, England. Family of Samuel (45), Martha (42) and children Elizabeth (18), Basil (16), Priscilla (14), Frederick (11), Herbert (9) and John (3)¹ Now I have [HeShe] resided at [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace]. Which gives me He resided at Oak Hill, Wethersfield Road: Family of Samuel (45), Martha (42) and children Elizabeth (18), Basil (16), Priscilla (14), Frederick (11), Herbert (9) and John (3) on 31 March 1901 in Gosfield, Essex, England.¹ Not the result I wanted - and it means I am going to have to find every single one of these facts to correct them to the way I want the sentence to read. On 3 December 2013 20:32, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: On 03/12/2013 00:25, Charles Apple wrote: Does one lose their Custom Event Sentences when opening a Legacy 7.5 Family File in Legacy 8 Deluxe? No! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Jay, I think it will be a long time before we have a new interchange standard that deals with these two features. To my thinking, whenever a software vendor implements a proprietary new feature for data entry (and internal data structure), they should implement a workaround for the export of the resulting data. From day one. Why would I want to send to my distant cousins a GEDCOM for which I have to apologize due to its garbled sources or missing events? The Legacy import process already has a few workarounds to accommodate non-standard quirks in GEDCOMs generated by other products. Why not workarounds for the two export issues? They both sound achievable at a reasonable cost. I’ve already gone down the SourceWriter road, but I can easily avoid shared events until this happens. They are a nifty feature that is only half implemented. Ward From: Jay 1FamilyTree Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Ward When the standards for Gedcom were created way back when, this 'new feature' wasn't even considered or even imagined. Don't blame the software for it, blame the standards that haven't been updated. Whatever browser you are using to read this email and view the web certainly isnt following the standards of the HTML 3.0 which was the first widely used and accepted standards for that category of electronic data. As Kristy said, the issue is wit the gedcom. Jay On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote: I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data. Ward From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Thanks Kirsty, Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-( Thanks for making us aware of this one. Gavin... From: Kirsty M. Haining [mailto:khain...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, 5 December 2013 11:48 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Gavin, that is exactly what I’m saying. Using a gedcom export, the data shows up ONLY under the event initiator’s dataset. Keep in mind, however, that if you use Legacy to create your reports, charts, sharing via PDF files, etc. then the shared events should appear properly within the particular reports (according the report options you’ve chosen). The issue is with gedcom export.* cheers, Kirsty J *Or, technically, the issue arises anytime you’re using another software program to handle a Legacy file, be it gedcom or native FDB format. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup
Don, You might try what worked before for 7 (as quoted just below) and if it does, then re-install and uninstall 8 by the same method. Prescott Smith presku...@yahoo.com = That did it. I reinstalled, the install.log was there but still wouldn't work thru control panel. So I reinstalled, the install.log was there. But the UNWISE worked perfectly. Thanks for the quick response. I owe you one! Dave Pointer -- Not sure this will apply to your situation, but I had similar trouble with 7.5. and this might work. Look in the program files for Install.log. If it's not there, try re-installing 7.5 once more. Check again to see if install.log is among the program files. You need this to get it uninstalled and each time you uninstall it is deleted. Now see if you can use Control Panel to uninstall, if it's there. If this uninstall doesn't work; re-install again to get an install.log, then go into the program and click on Unwise.exe. If you get options then to do an Auto or Custom uninstall, choose custom. You'll get various options to uninstall. If you hit all of them, you'll lose your unlocking number if it is Deluxe and have to get it back from Legacy if you want to use 7.5 again. Prescott Smith presku...@yahoo.com === From: Don Hanson [terra...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 02:00 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup I really doubt that v7 really uninstalled. But...it's quite clear that v8 did not. So, the problem continues. Hopefully it will be addressed in a coming update. Don -Original Message- From: grayscot2 [mailto:graysc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:30 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup Don, Did V7 really uninstall? There have been problems with that. === = From: Don Hanson [terra...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 05:59 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup Well… I ran the L8 uninstaller. It left behind C:\Program Files (x86)\Legacy8 folder containing 1919 files, 82 folders with a total size of 138MB. That’s the same size as the new installation. The My Documents\Legacy Family Tree folder was also left behind and the same size as the new installation. There were also numerous Registry entries left behind. I reversed those and deleted the folders and contents, including the C:\Legacy folder that I now know was left after uninstalling L7. I realize that uninstalling a program often leaves files and Registry entries, but what I found goes beyond a ‘conservative’ uninstall. Don From: Don Hanson [mailto:terra...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 4:37 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup Thanks guys, I have been using Family Tree Maker and had not yet imported the Gedcom in L7. I forgot to uninstall L7 before installing L8. I was hoping to easily have a ‘do over’. But, I think it best to do it the ‘right way’ rather than the easiest. Don --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues
Rather than fighting a losing battle with Microsoft you should simply migrate to a different OS. Microsoft was criticized for an operating system that was too loose and easy to exploit. The concept of user control and different levels of permission is only new to the Microsoft world. It has been 'the norm' of every other OS that I've ever used. In many respects some are much more restrictive. But, with Windows still being the OS used by the overwhelming number of users worldwide, you are fighting a losing battle that's only going to accelerate when people using XP realize that they are no longer protected with MS updates and the latest threat is widely reported. Don -Original Message- From: grayscot2 [mailto:graysc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:57 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Issues Much against my will, I'm probably going to follow this for Data, if not for media, but I would like to propose that hereafter all user data be allowed to be put somewhere else besides the Microsoft categories. Doesn't anyone else resent the patronizing, over- possessive My Documents and My Pictures? It makes you want to throw up to begin with and then the contempt it shows for Windows users seals the deal.It is easy enough to copy over the necessary folder and sub-folders to a dedicated custom directory without all the other MS trash in it. Please don't do this again. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Look at the big picture. How can Legacy create a 'work-around' if whatever other software doesnt support it when its imported into their software. The same goes for a 'workaround' for some Rootsweb or Heridis feature, that Legacy would automatically support their workaround whenever their gedcom created output is to be imported into Legacy? You cannot blame Legacy for having a feature that the industry doesnt have an agreed upon way to manage that all software vendors will follow. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote: Jay, I think it will be a long time before we have a new interchange standard that deals with these two features. To my thinking, whenever a software vendor implements a proprietary new feature for data entry (and internal data structure), they should implement a workaround for the export of the resulting data. From day one. Why would I want to send to my distant cousins a GEDCOM for which I have to apologize due to its garbled sources or missing events? The Legacy import process already has a few workarounds to accommodate non-standard quirks in GEDCOMs generated by other products. Why not workarounds for the two export issues? They both sound achievable at a reasonable cost. I’ve already gone down the SourceWriter road, but I can easily avoid shared events until this happens. They are a nifty feature that is only half implemented. Ward *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:23 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Ward When the standards for Gedcom were created way back when, this 'new feature' wasn't even considered or even imagined. Don't blame the software for it, blame the standards that haven't been updated. Whatever browser you are using to read this email and view the web certainly isnt following the standards of the HTML 3.0 which was the first widely used and accepted standards for that category of electronic data. As Kristy said, the issue is wit the gedcom. Jay On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote: I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data. Ward *From:* Gavin Nicholson gavn...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Thanks Kirsty, Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-( Thanks for making us aware of this one. Gavin... *From:* Kirsty M. Haining [mailto:khain...@comcast.net] *Sent:* Thursday, 5 December 2013 11:48 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Gavin, that is *exactly* what I’m saying. Using a gedcom export, the data shows up ONLY under the event initiator’s dataset. Keep in mind, however, that if you use *Legacy* to create your reports, charts, sharing via PDF files, etc. then the shared events should appear properly within the particular reports (according the report options you’ve chosen). The issue is with *gedcom* export.* cheers, Kirsty J *Or, technically, the issue arises anytime you’re using another software program to handle a Legacy file, be it gedcom or native FDB format. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support:
Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
FYI, RootsMagic Shared Events don't transfer via GEDCOM either. Mary On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.comwrote: Look at the big picture. How can Legacy create a 'work-around' if whatever other software doesnt support it when its imported into their software. The same goes for a 'workaround' for some Rootsweb or Heridis feature, that Legacy would automatically support their workaround whenever their gedcom created output is to be imported into Legacy? You cannot blame Legacy for having a feature that the industry doesnt have an agreed upon way to manage that all software vendors will follow. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote: Jay, I think it will be a long time before we have a new interchange standard that deals with these two features. To my thinking, whenever a software vendor implements a proprietary new feature for data entry (and internal data structure), they should implement a workaround for the export of the resulting data. From day one. Why would I want to send to my distant cousins a GEDCOM for which I have to apologize due to its garbled sources or missing events? The Legacy import process already has a few workarounds to accommodate non-standard quirks in GEDCOMs generated by other products. Why not workarounds for the two export issues? They both sound achievable at a reasonable cost. I’ve already gone down the SourceWriter road, but I can easily avoid shared events until this happens. They are a nifty feature that is only half implemented. Ward *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:23 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Ward When the standards for Gedcom were created way back when, this 'new feature' wasn't even considered or even imagined. Don't blame the software for it, blame the standards that haven't been updated. Whatever browser you are using to read this email and view the web certainly isnt following the standards of the HTML 3.0 which was the first widely used and accepted standards for that category of electronic data. As Kristy said, the issue is wit the gedcom. Jay On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote: I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data. Ward *From:* Gavin Nicholson gavn...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Thanks Kirsty, Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-( Thanks for making us aware of this one. Gavin... *From:* Kirsty M. Haining [mailto:khain...@comcast.net] *Sent:* Thursday, 5 December 2013 11:48 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events Gavin, that is *exactly* what I’m saying. Using a gedcom export, the data shows up ONLY under the event initiator’s dataset. Keep in mind, however, that if you use *Legacy* to create your reports, charts, sharing via PDF files, etc. then the shared events should appear properly within the particular reports (according the report options you’ve chosen). The issue is with *gedcom* export.* cheers, Kirsty J *Or, technically, the issue arises anytime you’re using another software program to handle a Legacy file, be it gedcom or native FDB format. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from
Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Ward, I really wish to take exception to your half implemented comment. In the long run, the purpose of Gedcom is to communicate information to another product. Not all products have all of the same features. Shared events - as far as I know - only exist in Legacy, Roots Magic, and a variation in The Master Genealogist. Currently, the Gedcoms for RM and Legacy can interchange Shared events perfectly. Supposedly, TMG (not TNG!) does not import or export any Gedcoms that contain anything but Gedcom 5.5.1 standard tags so shared events (They call them Witnesses) do not escape from their bubble. (I have not played with TMG in a while, and, recently, I have had TMG users dispute this assertion but without evidence.) What neither RM or Legacy do is to create a Gedcom where Shared events are converted to regular events for Gedcom export. I do not believe that anyone has yet determined how this might look, yet. -- Note: It is likely that some further enhancements need to be made to Shared events so this conversion exercise might be done as part of any enhancements. One of the proposed enhancements is to add role notes onto the person sharing the event and including in the event sentences the ability to structure the Role Notes with the Main notes. In a Gedcom export to regular notes, would you have to add to the notes that the event was shared from someone else and this person participated as a role. There are currently several Gedcom options that are clearly designed to facilitate export to a 3rd party product. (eg, the 2 note conversions, the Q dates conversion.) When you do those conversion, you do not plan on re-importing those Gedcoms back into Legacy. I can tell you with confidence that these are not all easy changes. Each change is fraught with challenges with folks with existing family files that might be damaged. Almost every Gedcom export change has to be married to a Gedcom import change. When you start to add in Privacy concerns and partial gedcom export options, you have very difficult functionality to test. I personally did a lot of testing in this area and was only able to cover a fraction of all of the test cases that exist. I almost forgot to chat about SourceWriter Sources... again. These are a Legacy unique features. Each template comes with its own baggage with respect to Gedcom export. I believe that, when a new Template is created, the Gedcom export and import may sometimes be needed to be updated to support it. (I do not claim to be the SW expert among the testers so I do not look at this.) Being able to export a SW Source and then re-importing it into Legacy is really only an archival issue. The key is can Legacy Gedcom export convert a SW source into a standard Basic source without loss of content that can be in turn understood by most 3rd party products. john. At 03:20 PM 12/5/2013, Ward Walker wrote: Jay, I think it will be a long time before we have a new interchange standard that deals with these two features. To my thinking, whenever a software vendor implements a proprietary new feature for data entry (and internal data structure), they should implement a workaround for the export of the resulting data. From day one. Why would I want to send to my distant cousins a GEDCOM for which I have to apologize due to its garbled sources or missing events? The Legacy import process already has a few workarounds to accommodate non-standard quirks in GEDCOMs generated by other products. Why not workarounds for the two export issues? They both sound achievable at a reasonable cost. Iâve already gone down the SourceWriter road, but I can easily avoid shared events until this happens. They are a nifty feature that is only half implemented. Ward From: Jay 1FamilyTree Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Ward When the standards for Gedcom were created way back when, this 'new feature' wasn't even considered or even imagined. Don't blame the software for it, blame the standards that haven't been updated. Whatever browser you are using to read this email and view the web certainly isnt following the standards of the HTML 3.0 which was the first widely used and accepted standards for that category of electronic data. As Kristy said, the issue is wit the gedcom. Jay On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote: I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data. Ward From: Gavin Nicholson Sent: Wednesday, December
Re: [LegacyUG] Custom Event Sentences in Legacy v8
Paula, Kathy and I determined that this was not a Legacy 8 issue but a data issue with her Legacy 7 file. john. At 03:12 PM 12/5/2013, Paula Ryburn wrote: Or can you restore from backup and wait for it to be fixed in v8 and then reinstall? --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Custom Event Sentences in Legacy v8 no maybe not - but it did rearrange things enough to be annoying. I now have my notes in my description field and that has messed up my sentences as a result. For one event I had [HeShe] resided at [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace]. [Notes][Sources] Which would have given me He resided at Oak Hill, Wethersfield Road on 31 March 1901 in Gosfield, Essex, England. Family of Samuel (45), Martha (42) and children Elizabeth (18), Basil (16), Priscilla (14), Frederick (11), Herbert (9) and John (3)¹ Now I have [HeShe] resided at [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace]. Which gives me He resided at Oak Hill, Wethersfield Road: Family of Samuel (45), Martha (42) and children Elizabeth (18), Basil (16), Priscilla (14), Frederick (11), Herbert (9) and John (3) on 31 March 1901 in Gosfield, Essex, England.¹ Not the result I wanted - and it means I am going to have to find every single one of these facts to correct them to the way I want the sentence to read. On 3 December 2013 20:32, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: On 03/12/2013 00:25, Charles Apple wrote: Does one lose their Custom Event Sentences when opening a Legacy 7.5 Family File in Legacy 8 Deluxe? No! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. At 03:03 PM 12/5/2013, Paula Ryburn wrote: Yes, short-sighted though I may be, I have not entered United States of America on my locations in the US. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event You'd be surprised at how many people don't. They think it's redundant and everyone knows what country their locations are in! Or their locations are all in one country. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM, CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote: But why ever would you not add the country name when you entered the location? CE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] List of images/pictures and where/how each is used in Legacy??
I want to make a list of all my picture folders: the pictures within each folder where/how each picture is used (i.e., the individual, event, event date, etc.) if the picture is not used in Legacy I would like that to be noted, if possible. I haven't found that option. In Legacy Help Legacy Reports, we are told the following: #68 Picture Folder Location List View Master Lists Picture Location Options Print I don't know whether that would give me what I want, but in any case, when I go to View Master Lists, there is no option for Picture Locations. (There is an option for Media Folder List, but that does not offer a list of the media within each folder (as far as I can see).) Thanks!! Pat Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup
Thanks, I was able to use Control Panel to uninstall L7 and again to uninstall L8. I know that install.log was present in the L8 installation because I read it to see what was installed. After uninstalling L8, it and all of the other installed files were still in the L8 installation folder, the data folders were still where they had been installed and still had the same content as the log said, and the registry changes recorded in the log were all still intact. I don't recall if Auto uninstall was the default. If it was, I would have chosen that since I had no data to save. After running uninstall from the program directory, the icon to uninstall L8 was still in Control panel. Using that (the windows installer) to uninstall L8 also left everything intact. I printed a copy of the L8 install.log and also printed the directories to compare before beginning the L8 uninstall. Finally, I used Total Uninstall which had monitored the installation to make the uninstall. It first used the program's uninstaller and then it's own routine to clean up the leftovers. I then deleted any other folders that were connected with Legacy (I'm assuming that those were left after uninstalling 7.5). Finally, I installed (and monitored) L8. As I suspected, the newly clean installation was identical to what was left after I uninstalled L8 using both Control Panel and the uninstall from the program folder. The extraneous folders and files that I assumed were left from L7.5 have not been needed by anything that I've done since the 'clean' install of L8. I install and uninstall many programs each year. From that perspective, neither 7.5 nor 8.0 uninstalled as expected at the default settings. Not performing as expected at default is generally considered a bug. Don -Original Message- From: grayscot2 [mailto:graysc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:34 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup Don, You might try what worked before for 7 (as quoted just below) and if it does, then re-install and uninstall 8 by the same method. Prescott Smith presku...@yahoo.com = That did it. I reinstalled, the install.log was there but still wouldn't work thru control panel. So I reinstalled, the install.log was there. But the UNWISE worked perfectly. Thanks for the quick response. I owe you one! Dave Pointer -- Not sure this will apply to your situation, but I had similar trouble with 7.5. and this might work. Look in the program files for Install.log. If it's not there, try re- installing 7.5 once more. Check again to see if install.log is among the program files. You need this to get it uninstalled and each time you uninstall it is deleted. Now see if you can use Control Panel to uninstall, if it's there. If this uninstall doesn't work; re-install again to get an install.log, then go into the program and click on Unwise.exe. If you get options then to do an Auto or Custom uninstall, choose custom. You'll get various options to uninstall. If you hit all of them, you'll lose your unlocking number if it is Deluxe and have to get it back from Legacy if you want to use 7.5 again. Prescott Smith presku...@yahoo.com === === = From: Don Hanson [terra...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 02:00 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup I really doubt that v7 really uninstalled. But...it's quite clear that v8 did not. So, the problem continues. Hopefully it will be addressed in a coming update. Don -Original Message- From: grayscot2 [mailto:graysc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:30 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup Don, Did V7 really uninstall? There have been problems with that. == = = From: Don Hanson [terra...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 05:59 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup Well… I ran the L8 uninstaller. It left behind C:\Program Files (x86)\Legacy8 folder containing 1919 files, 82 folders with a total size of 138MB. That’s the same size as the new installation. The My Documents\Legacy Family Tree folder was also left behind and the same size as the new installation. There were also numerous Registry entries left behind. I reversed those and deleted the folders and contents, including the C:\Legacy folder that I now know was left after uninstalling L7. I realize that uninstalling a program often leaves files and Registry entries, but what I
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Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Jay and John, I don’t expect these features/structures to be re-imported intact into the target system (whether another product or back into Legacy). What I meant by ‘workaround’ is to bend these structures into the standard GEDCOM format. Shared events become separate events. (I acknowledge that something would have to be done with ‘roles’.) SourceWriter sources already become Basic, but Legacy should re-order the information so that the basic source reads OK. I said ‘option’ because there might be opportunities for competing vendors to do a more intelligent interchange. You are saying that RM and Legacy can interchange shared events via GEDCOM, so there must be a special way to encode the non-standard structures. My wish is for an option that suits an unknown target system as best possible using only standard GEDCOM. I’ve never run into a cousin that uses RM. BTW, I sympathize with the testing challenges. I was a software tester and test manager. Perhaps it is time for Millennia to invest in some automated test cases for regression testing. But my complaint is with the design of new features. If I can’t send my digital data to a fellow researcher, even in a simplified state, then I better not use that feature. It is not fully implemented. Ward From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:32 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Ward, I really wish to take exception to your half implemented comment. In the long run, the purpose of Gedcom is to communicate information to another product. Not all products have all of the same features. Shared events - as far as I know - only exist in Legacy, Roots Magic, and a variation in The Master Genealogist. Currently, the Gedcoms for RM and Legacy can interchange Shared events perfectly. Supposedly, TMG (not TNG!) does not import or export any Gedcoms that contain anything but Gedcom 5.5.1 standard tags so shared events (They call them Witnesses) do not escape from their bubble. (I have not played with TMG in a while, and, recently, I have had TMG users dispute this assertion but without evidence.) What neither RM or Legacy do is to create a Gedcom where Shared events are converted to regular events for Gedcom export. I do not believe that anyone has yet determined how this might look, yet. -- Note: It is likely that some further enhancements need to be made to Shared events so this conversion exercise might be done as part of any enhancements. One of the proposed enhancements is to add role notes onto the person sharing the event and including in the event sentences the ability to structure the Role Notes with the Main notes. In a Gedcom export to regular notes, would you have to add to the notes that the event was shared from someone else and this person participated as a role. There are currently several Gedcom options that are clearly designed to facilitate export to a 3rd party product. (eg, the 2 note conversions, the Q dates conversion.) When you do those conversion, you do not plan on re-importing those Gedcoms back into Legacy. I can tell you with confidence that these are not all easy changes. Each change is fraught with challenges with folks with existing family files that might be damaged. Almost every Gedcom export change has to be married to a Gedcom import change. When you start to add in Privacy concerns and partial gedcom export options, you have very difficult functionality to test. I personally did a lot of testing in this area and was only able to cover a fraction of all of the test cases that exist. I almost forgot to chat about SourceWriter Sources... again. These are a Legacy unique features. Each template comes with its own baggage with respect to Gedcom export. I believe that, when a new Template is created, the Gedcom export and import may sometimes be needed to be updated to support it. (I do not claim to be the SW expert among the testers so I do not look at this.) Being able to export a SW Source and then re-importing it into Legacy is really only an archival issue. The key is can Legacy Gedcom export convert a SW source into a standard Basic source without loss of content that can be in turn understood by most 3rd party products. john. At 03:20 PM 12/5/2013, Ward Walker wrote: Jay, I think it will be a long time before we have a new interchange standard that deals with these two features. To my thinking, whenever a software vendor implements a proprietary new feature for data entry (and internal data structure), they should implement a workaround for the export of the resulting data. From day one. Why would I want to send to my distant cousins a GEDCOM for which I have to apologize due to its garbled sources or missing events? The Legacy import process already has a few workarounds to accommodate non-standard quirks in GEDCOMs generated by other products. Why not
[LegacyUG] How to copy an individual from one Legacy file to another Legacy file?
Am working with Legacy8. Accidentally deleted an individual from my main Legacy file. I want to copy that individual from a fairly old Legacy8 file to the main file without doing a merge.just want to end up with the deleted individual back in the index list in the main file so I can link her to the husband and children that are now lacking a wife/mother. Would really appreciate any ideas how to do this. Regards, John Ellis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
RM can very quickly import a Legacy 8 file, including shared events … C.G. Ouimet Kingston ON From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com] Sent: December 05, 2013 05:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Jay and John, I don’t expect these features/structures to be re-imported intact into the target system (whether another product or back into Legacy). What I meant by ‘workaround’ is to bend these structures into the standard GEDCOM format. Shared events become separate events. (I acknowledge that something would have to be done with ‘roles’.) SourceWriter sources already become Basic, but Legacy should re-order the information so that the basic source reads OK. I said ‘option’ because there might be opportunities for competing vendors to do a more intelligent interchange. You are saying that RM and Legacy can interchange shared events via GEDCOM, so there must be a special way to encode the non-standard structures. My wish is for an option that suits an unknown target system as best possible using only standard GEDCOM. I’ve never run into a cousin that uses RM. BTW, I sympathize with the testing challenges. I was a software tester and test manager. Perhaps it is time for Millennia to invest in some automated test cases for regression testing. But my complaint is with the design of new features. If I can’t send my digital data to a fellow researcher, even in a simplified state, then I better not use that feature. It is not fully implemented. Ward From: John B. Lisle mailto:leg...@tqsi.com Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:32 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Ward, I really wish to take exception to your half implemented comment. In the long run, the purpose of Gedcom is to communicate information to another product. Not all products have all of the same features. Shared events - as far as I know - only exist in Legacy, Roots Magic, and a variation in The Master Genealogist. Currently, the Gedcoms for RM and Legacy can interchange Shared events perfectly. Supposedly, TMG (not TNG!) does not import or export any Gedcoms that contain anything but Gedcom 5.5.1 standard tags so shared events (They call them Witnesses) do not escape from their bubble. (I have not played with TMG in a while, and, recently, I have had TMG users dispute this assertion but without evidence.) What neither RM or Legacy do is to create a Gedcom where Shared events are converted to regular events for Gedcom export. I do not believe that anyone has yet determined how this might look, yet. -- Note: It is likely that some further enhancements need to be made to Shared events so this conversion exercise might be done as part of any enhancements. One of the proposed enhancements is to add role notes onto the person sharing the event and including in the event sentences the ability to structure the Role Notes with the Main notes. In a Gedcom export to regular notes, would you have to add to the notes that the event was shared from someone else and this person participated as a role. There are currently several Gedcom options that are clearly designed to facilitate export to a 3rd party product. (eg, the 2 note conversions, the Q dates conversion.) When you do those conversion, you do not plan on re-importing those Gedcoms back into Legacy. I can tell you with confidence that these are not all easy changes. Each change is fraught with challenges with folks with existing family files that might be damaged. Almost every Gedcom export change has to be married to a Gedcom import change. When you start to add in Privacy concerns and partial gedcom export options, you have very difficult functionality to test. I personally did a lot of testing in this area and was only able to cover a fraction of all of the test cases that exist. I almost forgot to chat about SourceWriter Sources... again. These are a Legacy unique features. Each template comes with its own baggage with respect to Gedcom export. I believe that, when a new Template is created, the Gedcom export and import may sometimes be needed to be updated to support it. (I do not claim to be the SW expert among the testers so I do not look at this.) Being able to export a SW Source and then re-importing it into Legacy is really only an archival issue. The key is can Legacy Gedcom export convert a SW source into a standard Basic source without loss of content that can be in turn understood by most 3rd party products. john. At 03:20 PM 12/5/2013, Ward Walker wrote: Jay, I think it will be a long time before we have a new interchange standard that deals with these two features. To my thinking, whenever a software vendor implements a proprietary new feature for data entry (and internal data structure), they should implement a
RE: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
I guess I don't know why this is a problem either. If a SW source is to be exported why don't they just export it as the nicely worded citation you see on the screen? Right now on my Worldconnect page I have this as a citation: 1. Abbrev: Australia, NSW, Electoral Rolls, Ancestry.com Title: Australian Electoral Rolls 1903-1980 Author: NSW, Australia Publication: Digital images. Ancestry.com Operations Inc. ancestry.com.au . http://www.ancestry.com.au : 2010 Page: Francis Nicholson; digital images, Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1930 Electoral Rolls for the Commonwealth Division of New England State Electoral District of Liverpool Plains Subdivision of Werris Creek page 38, ancestry.com.au (http://www.ancestry.com.au : accessed 5 Jul 2012) Why isn't it just the PAGE section without the Page:? Gavin... From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com] Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 5:08 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] There have been several LUG discussions about this. When Legacy formats source citation output from a template-based source, in many cases (i.e., templates) it intermixes field values from the master source and the detail source to achieve a nicely worded citation. But upon export, it simply appends all the master fields together, followed by all the detail fields. The result, upon import, can be garbled data and misplaced punctuation or keywords. Some templates are worse than others. (I can’t tell if there is an additional, compounding bug in your example of an e-mail source.) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Backup overwriting
It is on the merge menu under edit. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.comwrote: Orinda, I am concerned that you think there is an UNDO button? Can you explain what you think that is? ay On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.comwrote: I had both of the boxes checked. I may have checked them this afternoon. Everything is working just like I wanted it to work this afternoon, so I must have checked them when I was so frustrated. Now, to redo all the input. Thank you so much.Orinda On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote: When you go to back up your file, on that pop-up window there should be an OPTIONS button right next to the Backup button Click on OPTIONS and then select Append Date /or Append Time to default backup file name With both selected you can back up 10 times in the one minute and not overwrite another backup because each will have the unique time added. If you already have these selected, please provide further details so that we might be able to help further On 5 December 2013 16:40, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.com wrote: I am new at Legacy and have just started using Legacy 7.5. When I can do it without a big deal, I will upgrade. Until then. I using 7.5 and can not stop Legacy from overwriting when I backup my family file or exit Legacy. Help says there should be options to not overwrite, I can not find that screen that gives that option. This is my story, I was frustrated. I spent the afternoon inputting some long lost ancestors that I had found. For some reason, when I clicked undo to undo an input, I lost the whole afternoon's work. Then, I thought, I will just go get that other backup. There was nothing there except today's date and the time of closing file. We have to close the family file to restore a file. So, when I closed it backed up and overwrote by previous file. Looking at my backup files, I see that at one time in September 2013, it was not overwriting. I don't know why I lost the no overwrite feature. Can anyone tell me why I can't find the proper screen to tell it to quit overwriting? Orinda Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog
Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Gavin, If you could include the lines from your gedcom that relate to this person and the source, then maybe a proper explanation can be given. But without knowing whats in the gedcom its just a guess as to how/why. Jay On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Gavin Nicholson gavn...@hotmail.com wrote: I guess I don't know why this is a problem either. If a SW source is to be exported why don't they just export it as the nicely worded citation you see on the screen? Right now on my Worldconnect page I have this as a citation: 1. Abbrev: Australia, NSW, Electoral Rolls, Ancestry.com Title: Australian Electoral Rolls 1903-1980 Author: NSW, Australia Publication: Digital images. Ancestry.com Operations Inc. ancestry.com.au. http://www.ancestry.com.au : 2010 Page: Francis Nicholson; digital images, Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1930 Electoral Rolls for the Commonwealth Division of New England State Electoral District of Liverpool Plains Subdivision of Werris Creek page 38, ancestry.com.au (http://www.ancestry.com.au : accessed 5 Jul 2012) Why isn't it just the PAGE section without the Page:? Gavin... From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com] Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 5:08 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] There have been several LUG discussions about this. When Legacy formats source citation output from a template-based source, in many cases (i.e., templates) it intermixes field values from the master source and the detail source to achieve a nicely worded citation. But upon export, it simply appends all the master fields together, followed by all the detail fields. The result, upon import, can be garbled data and misplaced punctuation or keywords. Some templates are worse than others. (I can’t tell if there is an additional, compounding bug in your example of an e-mail source.) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Backup overwriting
I still dont understand? ToolsMerge has three options Manual Merge Find Duplicates Not Dup List I dont see an edit On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.com wrote: It is on the merge menu under edit. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.com wrote: Orinda, I am concerned that you think there is an UNDO button? Can you explain what you think that is? ay On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.comwrote: I had both of the boxes checked. I may have checked them this afternoon. Everything is working just like I wanted it to work this afternoon, so I must have checked them when I was so frustrated. Now, to redo all the input. Thank you so much.Orinda On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote: When you go to back up your file, on that pop-up window there should be an OPTIONS button right next to the Backup button Click on OPTIONS and then select Append Date /or Append Time to default backup file name With both selected you can back up 10 times in the one minute and not overwrite another backup because each will have the unique time added. If you already have these selected, please provide further details so that we might be able to help further On 5 December 2013 16:40, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.com wrote: I am new at Legacy and have just started using Legacy 7.5. When I can do it without a big deal, I will upgrade. Until then. I using 7.5 and can not stop Legacy from overwriting when I backup my family file or exit Legacy. Help says there should be options to not overwrite, I can not find that screen that gives that option. This is my story, I was frustrated. I spent the afternoon inputting some long lost ancestors that I had found. For some reason, when I clicked undo to undo an input, I lost the whole afternoon's work. Then, I thought, I will just go get that other backup. There was nothing there except today's date and the time of closing file. We have to close the family file to restore a file. So, when I closed it backed up and overwrote by previous file. Looking at my backup files, I see that at one time in September 2013, it was not overwriting. I don't know why I lost the no overwrite feature. Can anyone tell me why I can't find the proper screen to tell it to quit overwriting? Orinda Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:
Re: [LegacyUG] Backup overwriting
tools, merge, manual merge, do the merge, close it and then it will under edit saying undo the merge. If I am remembering what I just did. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.comwrote: I still dont understand? ToolsMerge has three options Manual Merge Find Duplicates Not Dup List I dont see an edit On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.comwrote: It is on the merge menu under edit. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.com wrote: Orinda, I am concerned that you think there is an UNDO button? Can you explain what you think that is? ay On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.comwrote: I had both of the boxes checked. I may have checked them this afternoon. Everything is working just like I wanted it to work this afternoon, so I must have checked them when I was so frustrated. Now, to redo all the input. Thank you so much.Orinda On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote: When you go to back up your file, on that pop-up window there should be an OPTIONS button right next to the Backup button Click on OPTIONS and then select Append Date /or Append Time to default backup file name With both selected you can back up 10 times in the one minute and not overwrite another backup because each will have the unique time added. If you already have these selected, please provide further details so that we might be able to help further On 5 December 2013 16:40, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.com wrote: I am new at Legacy and have just started using Legacy 7.5. When I can do it without a big deal, I will upgrade. Until then. I using 7.5 and can not stop Legacy from overwriting when I backup my family file or exit Legacy. Help says there should be options to not overwrite, I can not find that screen that gives that option. This is my story, I was frustrated. I spent the afternoon inputting some long lost ancestors that I had found. For some reason, when I clicked undo to undo an input, I lost the whole afternoon's work. Then, I thought, I will just go get that other backup. There was nothing there except today's date and the time of closing file. We have to close the family file to restore a file. So, when I closed it backed up and overwrote by previous file. Looking at my backup files, I see that at one time in September 2013, it was not overwriting. I don't know why I lost the no overwrite feature. Can anyone tell me why I can't find the proper screen to tell it to quit overwriting? Orinda Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:
Re: [LegacyUG] Backup overwriting
And I found boxes asking whether to overwrite or not. Click on merge, select your profiles click merge, and the backup reminder in that window offers the two options. There are also boxes for the options of always. You might know which one I chose. I just put someone on the merge, did nothing about the second person, closed it and the undo merge option is even then under edit. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.comwrote: I still dont understand? ToolsMerge has three options Manual Merge Find Duplicates Not Dup List I dont see an edit On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.comwrote: It is on the merge menu under edit. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.com wrote: Orinda, I am concerned that you think there is an UNDO button? Can you explain what you think that is? ay On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.comwrote: I had both of the boxes checked. I may have checked them this afternoon. Everything is working just like I wanted it to work this afternoon, so I must have checked them when I was so frustrated. Now, to redo all the input. Thank you so much.Orinda On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote: When you go to back up your file, on that pop-up window there should be an OPTIONS button right next to the Backup button Click on OPTIONS and then select Append Date /or Append Time to default backup file name With both selected you can back up 10 times in the one minute and not overwrite another backup because each will have the unique time added. If you already have these selected, please provide further details so that we might be able to help further On 5 December 2013 16:40, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.com wrote: I am new at Legacy and have just started using Legacy 7.5. When I can do it without a big deal, I will upgrade. Until then. I using 7.5 and can not stop Legacy from overwriting when I backup my family file or exit Legacy. Help says there should be options to not overwrite, I can not find that screen that gives that option. This is my story, I was frustrated. I spent the afternoon inputting some long lost ancestors that I had found. For some reason, when I clicked undo to undo an input, I lost the whole afternoon's work. Then, I thought, I will just go get that other backup. There was nothing there except today's date and the time of closing file. We have to close the family file to restore a file. So, when I closed it backed up and overwrote by previous file. Looking at my backup files, I see that at one time in September 2013, it was not overwriting. I don't know why I lost the no overwrite feature. Can anyone tell me why I can't find the proper screen to tell it to quit overwriting? Orinda Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support:
RE: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Hi Jay, I guess the bits that are applicable are: 0 @S437@ SOUR 1 ABBR Australia, NSW, Electoral Rolls, Ancestry.com 1 TITL Australian Electoral Rolls 1903-1980 1 AUTH NSW, Australia 1 PUBL Digital images. Ancestry.com Operations Inc. ancestry.com. 2 CONC au . http://www.ancestry.com.au : 2010 2 SOUR @S437@ 3 PAGE Francis Nicholson; digital images, Ancestry.com Operation 4 CONC s Inc, 1930 Electoral Rolls for the Commonwealth Divisio 4 CONC n of New England State Electoral District of Liverpool Plai 4 CONC ns Subdivision of Werris Creek page 38, \i ancestry.com.au 4 CONC \i0 (http://www.ancestry.com.au : accessed 5 Jul 2012) So the first block is info from the master source which in my opinion should not be included because all you want is the second block. Although I note that it is not 100% identical to the actual footnote/endnote citation which is what I think should actually be exported. This reads as: NSW, Australia, Australian Electoral Rolls 1903-1980, Francis Nicholson; digital images, Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1930 Electoral Rolls for the Commonwealth Division of New England State Electoral District of Liverpool Plains Subdivision of Werris Creek page 38, ancestry.com.au (http://www.ancestry.com.au : accessed 5 Jul 2012). Cit. Date: 5 Jul 2012. Thoughts, Gavin... From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 9:16 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Gavin, If you could include the lines from your gedcom that relate to this person and the source, then maybe a proper explanation can be given. But without knowing whats in the gedcom its just a guess as to how/why. Jay Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Ward, Thanks for your note. Please see below... john. At 05:18 PM 12/5/2013, Ward Walker wrote: Jay and John, I donât expect these features/structures to be re-imported intact into the target system (whether another product or back into Legacy). I do expect, at some time in the future, that Gedcom will have an option to export SW Sources in a form that they can be re-imported into Legacy perfectly. Not being the programmer, I do not know what the issues are. What I meant by âworkaroundâ is to bend these structures into the standard GEDCOM format. Shared events become separate events. (I acknowledge that something would have to be done with ârolesâ.) Agree. At this point, let's walk before we run. We already export so that RM can import them perfectly, and we can import RM's perfectly. SourceWriter sources already become Basic, but Legacy should re-order the information so that the basic source reads OK. As far as I know, SW Sources exported into Gedcom as Basic are able to import into other programs. I know of no specific problems although I am sure some exist, either based on specific templates or types of included data. -- One problem that has been reported on this list is that note fields on export in sources are not getting the formatting codes and space code conversions when they are requested in the export. If you know of specific issues, not just anecdotal reports, then you need to get them to support so that they can be reviewed and included in the bug list. I said âoptionâ because there might be opportunities for competing vendors to do a more intelligent interchange. You are saying that RM and Legacy can interchange shared events via GEDCOM, so there must be a special way to encode the non-standard structures. The two vendors seem to have agreed to adopt the same syntax. This same syntax has been presented to TNG (Web Publisher) for his future implementation of Shared Events. (TNG Users... if you want this in TNG soon, you really have to ask TNG to include it.) My wish is for an option that suits an unknown target system as best possible using only standard GEDCOM. Iâve never run into a cousin that uses RM. As I said before, I want this too so I can use Shared Events. BUT... I want to let the implementation settle down as more should be coming. hopefully soon. ;-) BTW, I sympathize with the testing challenges. I was a software tester and test manager. You might want to consider offering yourself up for the Test team. ;-) Perhaps it is time for Millennia to invest in some automated test cases for regression testing. Above my pay grade... But possibly a thought moving forward. I introduced automatic testing to many companies before I retired. I am not current with what is in the market today, and, if it would fit with Millennia's development process. But my complaint is with the design of new features. If I canât send my digital data to a fellow researcher, even in a simplified state, then I better not use that feature. It is not fully implemented. In my opinion, Legacy has the best balance of advanced customizable features and non-proprietary data of any of the major vendors. Personally, I try to get my fellow researchers to convert to Legacy so I can send them a Legacy backup file. And, if they do not want all of the data, ready to go, they get a Gedcom. In 2013, however, collaboration is not really done best by sharing files. It is done with web/cloud based solutions like TNG, Ancestry Files, Family Search Tree, etc. john. Ward From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:32 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Ward, I really wish to take exception to your half implemented comment. In the long run, the purpose of Gedcom is to communicate information to another product. Not all products have all of the same features. Shared events - as far as I know - only exist in Legacy, Roots Magic, and a variation in The Master Genealogist. Currently, the Gedcoms for RM and Legacy can interchange Shared events perfectly. Supposedly, TMG (not TNG!) does not import or export any Gedcoms that contain anything but Gedcom 5.5.1 standard tags so shared events (They call them Witnesses) do not escape from their bubble. (I have not played with TMG in a while, and, recently, I have had TMG users dispute this assertion but without evidence.) What neither RM or Legacy do is to create a Gedcom where Shared events are converted to regular events for Gedcom export. I do not believe that anyone has yet determined how this might look, yet. -- Note: It is likely that some further enhancements need to be made to Shared events so this conversion exercise might be done as part of any enhancements. One of the proposed enhancements is to add role notes onto the person sharing the event and including in the event sentences the ability to structure the Role Notes with the Main notes. In a Gedcom export
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.5 GEDCOM import issues
Thanks to everyone for their help. I appreciate all of you! Dottie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2013, at 9:59 PM, R G Strong-genes rgstrongge...@gmail.com wrote: Dottie, If you have Legacy installed on both your laptop and pc and you have kept the file directory structure the same on both then the correct way to move your file between the computers is to use the Backup and Restore functions. Backup the family file and media files then copy the resulting zip files to a storage device that you can access from both computers ie thumb drive, cloud drive, ext. drive. then unzip the media back up to the root directory of the drive that they were on ie C: on original should be same letter drive on other computer. Then open legacy and do a FileRestore and pick the file that you just saved and then all should be current. Be aware that if your media files reside in different directories on the other computer then you will have to relink them each time you change the file to a different computer. From: Dottie Klein Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 7:46 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.5 GEDCOM import issues Oh now I see the Gedcom 5.5.1 but I chose Legacy which is the default Dottie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Dottie, For other reasons, I have recently been creating GEDCOMs in V8.0, and Exporting them into a new file in Legacy V8.0. Subsequently I have created a GEDCOM from this file and imported this into a new file. I used GEDCOM5.5.1 only, with the ANSI coding for both exports. I had no problems and the Index is present. Others have been doing similar. It may have nothing to do with your problem, but what was your export created for i.e. Legacy, GEDCOM 5.5.1 only, PAF etc.? Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Dottie Klein Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:39 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.5 GEDcom import issues Hi Paul, I imported the GED file into a copy of Legacy. I then inputted data as I normally would adding sources when needed. Then I did the reverse. I thought it would be so simple Dottie Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Paul Gray graypa...@outlook.com wrote: Hi Dorothy, Can you give us some information about what happened on the laptop? Did you import the GED into Legacy or some other program? How did you update data on the laptop? Paul Gray From: Dorothy Klein [mailto:scubam...@aol.com] Sent: December-04-13 11:41 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.5 GEDcom import issues Dear Group For a recent research trip I exported a GED Legacy file from my main computer to a laptop. On my return I imported onto the main computer the updated GED Legacy file. At first no one appeared in the Index view, but then I saved the file (backing it up) and when I reoped it i was able to use the Index view. Unfortunately none of the media files linked back onto the main computer. According to the error report they are all missing. How can I rectify this? Also in another error report of missing/erroneous data it says F1499 family has the wrong date format. I can I find family 1499. I know how to find individuals but not family numbers. Thanks in advance, Dottie -- Russell G. Strong P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy program can be downloaded FREE at http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/Articles.asp?ID=133Click=1114 Oh so many branches and not enough time to check out all the roots!!!. Check out my Genealogy Pages at http://www.rgstrong-genes.com . Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] CUSTOMIZE
CUSTOMIZE I'm testing Legacy v.8. I keep Legacy v.7.5 and I copy my rene.fdb in v.8. I customize v.8. The conversion seems good except for CUSTOMIZE below. Options Customize 3. Data Format 3.3, I check UPPERCASE ; 3.4, I check Show SURNAMES in uppercase letters 8. View 8.9, I check Show the picture on each main person on the family and the pedigree view and I uncheck If the is no picture... 8.11, I uncheck When I do some changes in v.7.5, I copy my rene.fdb in v.8. Customization I mentioned above are no longer in force. I don't like these changes averytime I copy my rene.fdb Is it a bug ? Pierre Simoneau Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Backup overwriting
OK, Undo a Merge, I thought you meant you could undo some edits from a regular screen. Just wanted to be sure. Thanks Jay On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.com wrote: tools, merge, manual merge, do the merge, close it and then it will under edit saying undo the merge. If I am remembering what I just did. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.com wrote: I still dont understand? ToolsMerge has three options Manual Merge Find Duplicates Not Dup List I dont see an edit On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.comwrote: It is on the merge menu under edit. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.com wrote: Orinda, I am concerned that you think there is an UNDO button? Can you explain what you think that is? ay On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.comwrote: I had both of the boxes checked. I may have checked them this afternoon. Everything is working just like I wanted it to work this afternoon, so I must have checked them when I was so frustrated. Now, to redo all the input. Thank you so much.Orinda On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote: When you go to back up your file, on that pop-up window there should be an OPTIONS button right next to the Backup button Click on OPTIONS and then select Append Date /or Append Time to default backup file name With both selected you can back up 10 times in the one minute and not overwrite another backup because each will have the unique time added. If you already have these selected, please provide further details so that we might be able to help further On 5 December 2013 16:40, Orinda Spence crazypie...@gmail.comwrote: I am new at Legacy and have just started using Legacy 7.5. When I can do it without a big deal, I will upgrade. Until then. I using 7.5 and can not stop Legacy from overwriting when I backup my family file or exit Legacy. Help says there should be options to not overwrite, I can not find that screen that gives that option. This is my story, I was frustrated. I spent the afternoon inputting some long lost ancestors that I had found. For some reason, when I clicked undo to undo an input, I lost the whole afternoon's work. Then, I thought, I will just go get that other backup. There was nothing there except today's date and the time of closing file. We have to close the family file to restore a file. So, when I closed it backed up and overwrote by previous file. Looking at my backup files, I see that at one time in September 2013, it was not overwriting. I don't know why I lost the no overwrite feature. Can anyone tell me why I can't find the proper screen to tell it to quit overwriting? Orinda Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine. (I think shore was meant to be short) Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
John, New GEDCOM: From previous LUG discussions it sounds like it will be years before a new interchange standard replaces the current GEDCOM standard. Legacy-RM Interchange: RM is not of any relevance to me. Am I alone in this regard? Specific SW Problems: Gavin has illustrated a typical example of the SourceWriter GEDCOM problem. It has been reported to Legacy Support long ago. Try this: export a file and import it back into a test Legacy file. Create a report and look at your citations. All those that used a template of any complexity at all will have the words and phrases out of order (at best). This is not anecdotal. There is a clear cause. In attempting to preserve the master/detail relationship within the GEDCOM, the fields get shuffled into a different order. My idea of a workaround is to flatten each citation out into a mostly Detail citation, with the words formatted as in a normal Legacy report. Collaborating Online: I would think that exporting a significant chunk of Legacy data to a web-based tree usually involves the same GEDCOM interchange, aside from special implementations like FamilySearch Family Tree. Anyway, if a newly-found cousin/researcher wants to import a significant portion of my tree, seeing it online won’t help them. I have to send them a file. Usually they barely know how to operate the software that they have (often FTM) and are not open to starting over with a new product just to accommodate me. If their tree is only online (e.g., Ancestry), then yes, they could grant me access to add my branch interactively. Painful. Am I making my case, yet, that GEDCOM export is a vital component of any new feature design? Ward From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:55 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Ward, Thanks for your note. Please see below... john. At 05:18 PM 12/5/2013, Ward Walker wrote: Jay and John, I donât expect these features/structures to be re-imported intact into the target system (whether another product or back into Legacy). I do expect, at some time in the future, that Gedcom will have an option to export SW Sources in a form that they can be re-imported into Legacy perfectly. Not being the programmer, I do not know what the issues are. What I meant by âworkaroundâ is to bend these structures into the standard GEDCOM format. Shared events become separate events. (I acknowledge that something would have to be done with ârolesâ.) Agree. At this point, let's walk before we run. We already export so that RM can import them perfectly, and we can import RM's perfectly. SourceWriter sources already become Basic, but Legacy should re-order the information so that the basic source reads OK. As far as I know, SW Sources exported into Gedcom as Basic are able to import into other programs. I know of no specific problems although I am sure some exist, either based on specific templates or types of included data. -- One problem that has been reported on this list is that note fields on export in sources are not getting the formatting codes and space code conversions when they are requested in the export. If you know of specific issues, not just anecdotal reports, then you need to get them to support so that they can be reviewed and included in the bug list. I said âoptionâ because there might be opportunities for competing vendors to do a more intelligent interchange. You are saying that RM and Legacy can interchange shared events via GEDCOM, so there must be a special way to encode the non-standard structures. The two vendors seem to have agreed to adopt the same syntax. This same syntax has been presented to TNG (Web Publisher) for his future implementation of Shared Events. (TNG Users... if you want this in TNG soon, you really have to ask TNG to include it.) My wish is for an option that suits an unknown target system as best possible using only standard GEDCOM. Iâve never run into a cousin that uses RM. As I said before, I want this too so I can use Shared Events. BUT... I want to let the implementation settle down as more should be coming. hopefully soon. ;-) BTW, I sympathize with the testing challenges. I was a software tester and test manager. You might want to consider offering yourself up for the Test team. ;-) Perhaps it is time for Millennia to invest in some automated test cases for regression testing. Above my pay grade... But possibly a thought moving forward. I introduced automatic testing to many companies before I retired. I am not current with what is in the market today, and, if it would fit with Millennia's development process. But my complaint is with the design of new features. If I canât send my digital data to a fellow researcher, even in a simplified state, then I better not use that feature. It is not fully implemented. In my
RE: [LegacyUG] How to copy an individual from one Legacy file to another Legacy file?
I haven’t had to do this, but I can think of 2 approaches. First create a new database from your backup. Then if you have a lot of events and sources attached to the individual, do an export to another legacy database of just your one individual, then import that one individual database in to your current database and relink to family. If only a limited amount of basic data, just bring up your current database, create the entry for the individual (as part of the family), then in split screen mode open the corresponding individual record in the database created from the backup and copy/paste or retype the data items. From: John Ellis [mailto:jelli...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] How to copy an individual from one Legacy file to another Legacy file? Importance: High Am working with Legacy8. Accidentally deleted an individual from my main Legacy file. I want to copy that individual from a fairly old Legacy8 file to the main file without doing a merge…just want to end up with the deleted individual back in the index list in the main file so I can link her to the husband and children that are now lacking a wife/mother. Would really appreciate any ideas how to do this. Regards, John Ellis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Oh, Aye, Thanks, Shirley. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Shirley Richardson Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine. (I think shore was meant to be short) Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to copy an individual from one Legacy file to another Legacy file?
John, Use split-screen drag and drop. You'll have to make sure the old file has a different name than the newer file so you don't get the two mixed up. I'd append old to the file name. Open the file that you want to copy into go to View Split Screen to open a second window and select to open the older file. If you don't rename it, Legacy won't recognize it as a different file and won't let you copy You can find details in the Help file in Legacy under Copy: Drag and drop. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:59 PM, John Ellis jelli...@comcast.net wrote: Am working with Legacy8. Accidentally deleted an individual from my main Legacy file. I want to copy that individual from a fairly old Legacy8 file to the main file without doing a merge…just want to end up with the deleted individual back in the index list in the main file so I can link her to the husband and children that are now lacking a wife/mother. Would really appreciate any ideas how to do this. Regards, John Ellis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
so if what you sent me isnt the piece exactly then you have some other data somewhere What i see matches up Looking in the gedcom snippet remove the 4 Conc (7 characters in all because you include the space betwen the 4 and conc and the space after conc) (conc is short for Concatenate) Francis Nicholson; digital images, Ancestry.com Operation s Inc, 1930 Electoral Rolls for the Commonwealth Division of New England State Electoral District of Liverpool Plains Subdivision of Werris Creek page 38, \i ancestry.com.au\i0 (http://www.ancestry.com.au : accessed 5 Jul 2012) so with the exception of some formatting html characters it looks the same to me. Francis Nicholson; digital images, Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1930 Electoral Rolls for the Commonwealth Division of New England State Electoral District of Liverpool Plains Subdivision of Werris Creek page 38, ancestry.com.au(http://www.ancestry.com.au : accessed 5 Jul 2012) Looks like the gedcom output is doing what is expected of it. Jay On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Gavin Nicholson gavn...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Jay, I guess the bits that are applicable are: 0 @S437@ SOUR 1 ABBR Australia, NSW, Electoral Rolls, Ancestry.com 1 TITL Australian Electoral Rolls 1903-1980 1 AUTH NSW, Australia 1 PUBL Digital images. Ancestry.com Operations Inc. ancestry.com. 2 CONC au . http://www.ancestry.com.au : 2010 2 SOUR @S437@ 3 PAGE Francis Nicholson; digital images, Ancestry.com Operation 4 CONC s Inc, 1930 Electoral Rolls for the Commonwealth Divisio 4 CONC n of New England State Electoral District of Liverpool Plai 4 CONC ns Subdivision of Werris Creek page 38, \i ancestry.com.au 4 CONC \i0 (http://www.ancestry.com.au : accessed 5 Jul 2012) So the first block is info from the master source which in my opinion should not be included because all you want is the second block. Although I note that it is not 100% identical to the actual footnote/endnote citation which is what I think should actually be exported. This reads as: NSW, Australia, Australian Electoral Rolls 1903-1980, Francis Nicholson; digital images, Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 1930 Electoral Rolls for the Commonwealth Division of New England State Electoral District of Liverpool Plains Subdivision of Werris Creek page 38, ancestry.com.au ( http://www.ancestry.com.au : accessed 5 Jul 2012). Cit. Date: 5 Jul 2012. Thoughts, Gavin... From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 9:16 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Gavin, If you could include the lines from your gedcom that relate to this person and the source, then maybe a proper explanation can be given. But without knowing whats in the gedcom its just a guess as to how/why. Jay Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Yes that is true but the point is that it would be preferable for Legacy to simply output a single source which looks the footnote/endnote citation we see in the program. Gavin... From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 12:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] [snip] Looks like the gedcom output is doing what is expected of it. Jay Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson Sent: Friday, December 6, 2013 2:21 PM To: Legacy Oh, Aye, Thanks, Shirley. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Shirley Richardson Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine. (I think shore was meant to be short) Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog
Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
But then it wouldn't be compliant with Gedcom standard On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Gavin Nicholson gavn...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes that is true but the point is that it would be preferable for Legacy to simply output a single source which looks the footnote/endnote citation we see in the program. Gavin... *From:* Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, 6 December 2013 12:04 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] [snip] Looks like the gedcom output is doing what is expected of it. Jay Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Ward, Please see below... john. At 07:45 PM 12/5/2013, Ward Walker wrote: John, New GEDCOM: From previous LUG discussions it sounds like it will be years before a new interchange standard replaces the current GEDCOM standard. Personally, I think it will never happen. There is too much inventory of genealogy that is embedded in Gedcom files and too much software that will need to be updated in too many countries. The folks trying to decide on a new standard are usually too invested in their own data models. Further, you have many vendors developing applications that are reading other vendors databases directly. TMG's GenBridge technology is just the well known of these. Many of the vendors who have applications working with Legacy, read the Legacy file directly. (I do not happen to like this as I would prefer that Legacy had an API, but that is another subject.) Legacy-RM Interchange: RM is not of any relevance to me. Am I alone in this regard? No, but many Legacy users use both products. AND having a good interchange sells more Legacy as RM users can decide to move up to Legacy. Specific SW Problems: Gavin has illustrated a typical example of the SourceWriter GEDCOM problem. It has been reported to Legacy Support long ago. Try this: export a file and import it back into a test Legacy file. Create a report and look at your citations. All those that used a template of any complexity at all will have the words and phrases out of order (at best). This is not anecdotal. There is a clear cause. In attempting to preserve the master/detail relationship within the GEDCOM, the fields get shuffled into a different order. My idea of a workaround is to flatten each citation out into a mostly Detail citation, with the words formatted as in a normal Legacy report. As I said before, I am not a SW expert. I will let someone knowledgeable address this. Sorry. Collaborating Online: I would think that exporting a significant chunk of Legacy data to a web-based tree usually involves the same GEDCOM interchange, aside from special implementations like FamilySearch Family Tree. Anyway, if a newly-found cousin/researcher wants to import a significant portion of my tree, seeing it online wonât help them. I have to send them a file. Usually they barely know how to operate the software that they have (often FTM) and are not open to starting over with a new product just to accommodate me. If their tree is only online (e.g., Ancestry), then yes, they could grant me access to add my branch interactively. Painful. I think your vision is too pessimistic. I know from my own work over 10+ years with Legacy that I can exchange data with minimal concern which I do on an almost daily basis. But this is a much larger subject. Let's tackle it later. Am I making my case, yet, that GEDCOM export is a vital component of any new feature design? It is a vital component. As is Gedcom Import! of every release. The most important concept for you to take away is that for the programmers to make it better, they have to know what folks find as it shortcomings. I suspect in the last month before Legacy 8's release, the programmers spent as much time improving Gedcom import/export as anything else. john. Ward From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:55 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Ward, Thanks for your note. Please see below... john. At 05:18 PM 12/5/2013, Ward Walker wrote: Jay and John, I donâÂÂt expect these features/structures to be re-imported intact into the target system (whether another product or back into Legacy). I do expect, at some time in the future, that Gedcom will have an option to export SW Sources in a form that they can be re-imported into Legacy perfectly. Not being the programmer, I do not know what the issues are. What I meant by âÂÂworkaroundâ is to bend these structures into the standard GEDCOM format. Shared events become separate events. (I acknowledge that something would have to be done with âÂÂrolesâÂÂ.) Agree. At this point, let's walk before we run. We already export so that RM can import them perfectly, and we can import RM's perfectly. SourceWriter sources already become Basic, but Legacy should re-order the information so that the basic source reads OK. As far as I know, SW Sources exported into Gedcom as Basic are able to import into other programs. I know of no specific problems although I am sure some exist, either based on specific templates or types of included data. -- One problem that has been reported on this list is that note fields on export in sources are not getting the formatting codes and space code conversions when they are requested in the export. If you know of specific issues, not just anecdotal reports, then you need to get them to support so that they can be reviewed and included in the bug list. I said âÂÂoptionâ because there might be
RE: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
Hmmm...I see your point. Still we have the problem with shared events not getting attached to all witnesses but that is for the other thread! Cheers, Gavin... From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013 12:58 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] But then it wouldn't be compliant with Gedcom standard Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the Boyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail *From:* Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk *Sent:* ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM *To:* Legacy mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Oh, Aye, Thanks, Shirley. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ *From:* Shirley Richardson mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz *Sent:* Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine. (I think /shore /was meant to be /short/) Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - *From:* Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.†Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ *From:* John B. Lisle mailto:leg...@tqsi.com *Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Ron Is there a good source for UK current location hierarchy on-line anywhere, or published? After a bit of research, I think we are hung up on semantics. In the UK, the top-level entity is the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”. That is the formal name and how it is listed on the list of member “countries” of the United Nations. At the second-level are the Countries of England, Scotland and Wales, the region/province/country of Northern Ireland (none of which are independent members of the United Nations), and also the British Crown Dependencies of Isle of Man, Bailiwick of Guernsey, and Bailiwick of Jersey (latter two are separate parts of the Channel Islands), and 14 British Overseas Territories (Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, etc). So while we need to be mindful of the terminology, the top 2 levels of the structure still work for both the US and the UK. In case you hadn’t noticed, locations are a bag of worms even within the US. The US also has territories such as Puerto Rico, Guam, and American Samoa. The District of Columbia is a special case. None of these are states, but all of them are second-level locations. Louisiana doesn’t have “counties”, they have “parishes”. There are plenty of towns and cities that straddle county lines, some states have townships which fall somewhere between a town and a county, and then there is New York City which encompasses 5 counties usually referred to as boroughs. The state of Virginia has “Independent Cities” which are not considered part of any county, even if they’re geographically located fully within a county. Bottom line is, I think John’s hierarchy for UK locations works well and is accurate (except for the Channel Islands which should be separated to Guernsey and Jersey). BTW, I think “shore” name was just a typo for “short” name. Perhaps we should change our terminology for the top-level to “Nation” (consistent with UN) and the second-level to “Country/State/Province/Territory”. That’s a bit long, so maybe it needs to be a location specific option. Probably need location specific labels for the remaining levels as well. From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:18 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle mailto:leg...@tqsi.com Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names
Re: [LegacyUG] Shared event - new person
You can not share with a new person. The new person that is in the share event will NOT be added to the persons database it will be a local person for the event. So you have add all persons before you try to connect them to a shared event. Sven-Ove Westberg On 12/5/2013 12:05 PM, John Roose wrote: In working with shared events to see how they work, and reading help files, I don't see the following mentioned. In researching/finding/entering a census it has been common for me to find new people, eg the name and existence of a new child. What is the proper/recommended way to handle this? In v 7 I would complete the census entry, add to the clipboard, add the new person, then append the census entry from the clipboard. Worked like a charm. In v 8 I completed the census entry, added the check marks for individuals already in Legacy and added a new person to share with. Then I saved the event. Next I added the new person to Legacy. The shared event properly shows up in those that were already in Legacy (via check marks), but I haven't figured out how to share the event with the new person. Question - must new persons be entered into Legacy BEFORE attempting the entry for any shared event? Genealogy - - - - - it's in my blood! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]
I will add one comment on this subject and then move on In one of the previous messages was stated Collaborating Online: I would think that exporting a significant chunk of Legacy data to a web-based tree usually involves the same GEDCOM interchange, aside from special implementations like FamilySearch Family Tree. Anyway, if a newly-found cousin/researcher wants to import a significant portion of my tree, seeing it online won’t help them. I have to send them a file. Usually they barely know how to operate the software that they have (often FTM) and are not open to starting over with a new product just to accommodate me. If their tree is only online (e.g., Ancestry), then yes, they could grant me access to add my branch interactively. Painful. The reason you have to send your new cousin / researcher a file, is because whatever online software you exported your Gedcom to did NOT properly import or use all of the data that was in a Legacy created gedcom. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:09 PM, John B. Lisle leg...@tqsi.com wrote: Ward, Please see below... john. At 07:45 PM 12/5/2013, Ward Walker wrote: John, New GEDCOM: From previous LUG discussions it sounds like it will be years before a new interchange standard replaces the current GEDCOM standard. Personally, I think it will never happen. There is too much inventory of genealogy that is embedded in Gedcom files and too much software that will need to be updated in too many countries. The folks trying to decide on a new standard are usually too invested in their own data models. Further, you have many vendors developing applications that are reading other vendors databases directly. TMG's GenBridge technology is just the well known of these. Many of the vendors who have applications working with Legacy, read the Legacy file directly. (I do not happen to like this as I would prefer that Legacy had an API, but that is another subject.) Legacy-RM Interchange: RM is not of any relevance to me. Am I alone in this regard? No, but many Legacy users use both products. AND having a good interchange sells more Legacy as RM users can decide to move up to Legacy. Specific SW Problems: Gavin has illustrated a typical example of the SourceWriter GEDCOM problem. It has been reported to Legacy Support long ago. Try this: export a file and import it back into a test Legacy file. Create a report and look at your citations. All those that used a template of any complexity at all will have the words and phrases out of order (at best). This is not anecdotal. There is a clear cause. In attempting to preserve the master/detail relationship within the GEDCOM, the fields get shuffled into a different order. My idea of a workaround is to flatten each citation out into a mostly Detail citation, with the words formatted as in a normal Legacy report. As I said before, I am not a SW expert. I will let someone knowledgeable address this. Sorry. Collaborating Online: I would think that exporting a significant chunk of Legacy data to a web-based tree usually involves the same GEDCOM interchange, aside from special implementations like FamilySearch Family Tree. Anyway, if a newly-found cousin/researcher wants to import a significant portion of my tree, seeing it online won’t help them. I have to send them a file. Usually they barely know how to operate the software that they have (often FTM) and are not open to starting over with a new product just to accommodate me. If their tree is only online (e.g., Ancestry), then yes, they could grant me access to add my branch interactively. Painful. I think your vision is too pessimistic. I know from my own work over 10+ years with Legacy that I can exchange data with minimal concern which I do on an almost daily basis. But this is a much larger subject. Let's tackle it later. Am I making my case, yet, that GEDCOM export is a vital component of any new feature design? It is a vital component. As is Gedcom Import! of every release. The most important concept for you to take away is that for the programmers to make it better, they have to know what folks find as it shortcomings. I suspect in the last month before Legacy 8's release, the programmers spent as much time improving Gedcom import/export as anything else. john. Ward *From:* John B. Lisle leg...@tqsi.com *Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:55 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events] Ward, Thanks for your note. Please see below... john. At 05:18 PM 12/5/2013, Ward Walker wrote: Jay and John, I don’t expect these features/structures to be re-imported intact into the target system (whether another product or back into Legacy). I do expect, at some time in the future, that Gedcom will have an option to export SW Sources in a form that they can be re-imported into Legacy
[LegacyUG] Dates (again)and potential problems L8
I have a Death event dated Sunday, 17 April 1927. I would like to keep it as is, with the day included. Even if I check “ exclude this instance of the event from problem checking” AND left click on ! (Potential Problems Report) window and click Mark as Not a Problem and Close. The PP still remains. Any answers Bryan NZ Sent from Windows Mail Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dates (again)and potential problems L8
If you have created your Death Event as an event that will always occur after the date of death, And you use Deluxe, click on Sentence Definition and then select Exclude this event from Potential Problems (or words to that effect) On 6 December 2013 13:53, Bryan Pratt brya...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: I have a Death event dated Sunday, 17 April 1927. I would like to keep it as is, with the day included. Even if I check “ exclude this instance of the event from problem checking” AND left click on ! (Potential Problems Report) window and click Mark as Not a Problem and Close. The PP still remains. Any answers Bryan NZ Sent from Windows Mail Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dates (again)and potential problems L8
Did you 'rebuild' the list or just reopen the existing list. You have to rebulid the list in order to see any changes made since when the current listing was created, On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Bryan Pratt brya...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: I have a Death event dated Sunday, 17 April 1927. I would like to keep it as is, with the day included. Even if I check “ exclude this instance of the event from problem checking” AND left click on ! (Potential Problems Report) window and click Mark as Not a Problem and Close. The PP still remains. Any answers Bryan NZ Sent from Windows Mail Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the Boyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: Legacy mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Oh, Aye,  Thanks, Shirley.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: Shirley Richardson mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine.  (I think shore was meant to be short)  Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event   Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is!  You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland:  “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.† Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work.  You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles.  For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy).  The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK.  I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: John B. Lisle mailto:leg...@tqsi.com Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have to conform to their standards. The key is to be consistent. They you can change it more easily! john. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
[LegacyUG] Can I merge 2 locations in Master location list?
Hello, I finally found a format/structure for a Old German Prussian(and current Polish name) location that gives me the correct map location, but I have over 30 instances of the same town in one family line to correct to the same format; is there a way to merge or convert all of the same places to have the same format (like I can do with the master surname list)? Or, is my only choice to copy and paste each one individually within the edit button? I tried the combine button, but that must be for something else because it didn't do the trick. (I'm still in v7.5, awaiting conversion to v8; will it be easier there?... am waiting to work with the Geobase then). Thank you all for the great help and taking the time to work through all this. Sincerely, Pam Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Accuracy is of the utmost importance in genealogy. Without that, we in the United State of America could be considered British, and Maine still part of Massachusetts! Try this for clarity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:British_Isles_Euler_diagram_15.svg CE From: kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 22:14:22 -0600 OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-theBoyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote:Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. BryanNZ(and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: Legacy Oh, Aye, Thanks, Shirley. Ron Fergusonhttp://www.fergys.co.uk/  From: Shirley Richardson Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine. (I think shore was meant to be short)  RegardsShirleyNZ- Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PMSubject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.â€Â Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Fergusonhttp://www.fergys.co.uk/  From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports. Global organizations like FamilySearch will require the United States be added. It is all personal choice in the long run, unless you are working as a professional for a client and have
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:British_Isles_Euler_diagram_15.svg CE From: kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 21:46:20 -0600 RonIs there a good source for UK current location hierarchy on-line anywhere, or published? After a bit of research, I think we are hung up on semantics. In the UK, the top-level entity is the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”. That is the formal name and how it is listed on the list of member “countries” of the United Nations. At the second-level are the Countries of England, Scotland and Wales, the region/province/country of Northern Ireland (none of which are independent members of the United Nations), and also the British Crown Dependencies of Isle of Man, Bailiwick of Guernsey, and Bailiwick of Jersey (latter two are separate parts of the Channel Islands), and 14 British Overseas Territories (Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, etc). So while we need to be mindful of the terminology, the top 2 levels of the structure still work for both the US and the UK. In case you hadn’t noticed, locations are a bag of worms even within the US. The US also has territories such as Puerto Rico, Guam, and American Samoa. The District of Columbia is a special case. None of these are states, but all of them are second-level locations. Louisiana doesn’t have “counties”, they have “parishes”. There are plenty of towns and cities that straddle county lines, some states have townships which fall somewhere between a town and a county, and then there is New York City which encompasses 5 counties usually referred to as boroughs. The state of Virginia has “Independent Cities” which are not considered part of any county, even if they’re geographically located fully within a county. Bottom line is, I think John’s hierarchy for UK locations works well and is accurate (except for the Channel Islands which should be separated to Guernsey and Jersey). BTW, I think “shore” name was just a typo for “short” name. Perhaps we should change our terminology for the top-level to “Nation” (consistent with UN) and the second-level to “Country/State/Province/Territory”. That’s a bit long, so maybe it needs to be a location specific option. Probably need location specific labels for the remaining levels as well. From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:18 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic”, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is! You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland: “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.” Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work. You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles. For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy). The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK. I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone. Ron Fergusonhttp://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: John B. Lisle Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PMTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based.
RE: [LegacyUG] Dates (again)and potential problems L8
Curious. When I do it, the marker disappears immediately. Although another marker on a child of the saying that the parent’s birth date is bad still remains. From: Bryan Pratt [mailto:brya...@slingshot.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:54 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates (again)and potential problems L8 I have a Death event dated Sunday, 17 April 1927. I would like to keep it as is, with the day included. Even if I check “ exclude this instance of the event from problem checking” AND left click on ! (Potential Problems Report) window and click Mark as Not a Problem and Close. The PP still remains. Any answers Bryan NZ Sent from Windows Mail Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] FamilySearch
I am having a problem with opening FamilySearch on Legacy8, but the problem is with just one of my family files. When I first opened this particular family file, it did work with FamilySearch, now when I click on it, it initializes, finds my FamilySearch password and then opens with the message 'Too few parameters. Expected 1'. If I click O.K. on the 'parameters' message it keeps the main screen open, but there are no names in the list. The message is 'No one is selected in the filter list, please select someone or modify the filter list'. The 'Current Filter' is set to 'No extra filtering'. I know there must be some small setting or maybe a missing file? Judith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Can I merge 2 locations in Master location list?
Pam, Yes, you should be able to use the Combine feature. Click on the location you don't want to keep, then click on Combine. It will then change to Combine With, then click on the location you want to keep and merge with the first location you chose. Then click on Combine/With. Monique From: pg...@comcast.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Can I merge 2 locations in Master location list? Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 20:27:15 -0800 Hello, I finally found a format/structure for a Old German Prussian(and current Polish name) location that gives me the correct map location, but I have over 30 instances of the same town in one family line to correct to the same format; is there a way to “merge” or convert all of the same “places” to have the same format (like I can do with the master surname list)? Or, is my only choice to copy and paste each one individually within the “edit” button? I tried the “combine” button, but that must be for something else because it didn’t do the trick. (I’m still in v7.5, awaiting conversion to v8; will it be easier there?... am waiting to work with the Geobase then). Thank you all for the great help and taking the time to work through all this. Sincerely, Pam Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Can I merge 2 locations in Master location list?
From the Master Location List, select one (or more – using shift-click or ctrl-click) locations, click the “combine” button, it changes to “combine with”, select the target location and click the “combine with” button. You may get a message to confirm. The location(s) you selected first will be rolled into the target location and all the places where the location(s) were used will now use the target location. If you only have one location with multiple individuals using that location, then use the “edit” function to modify the location and it will change it for all the individuals that use the location. From: Pam Gosling [mailto:pg...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:27 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Can I merge 2 locations in Master location list? Hello, I finally found a format/structure for a Old German Prussian(and current Polish name) location that gives me the correct map location, but I have over 30 instances of the same town in one family line to correct to the same format; is there a way to “merge” or convert all of the same “places” to have the same format (like I can do with the master surname list)? Or, is my only choice to copy and paste each one individually within the “edit” button? I tried the “combine” button, but that must be for something else because it didn’t do the trick. (I’m still in v7.5, awaiting conversion to v8; will it be easier there?... am waiting to work with the Geobase then). Thank you all for the great help and taking the time to work through all this. Sincerely, Pam Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Says the same thing but leaves out the part about “The Crown” and that Jersey, Guernsey Isle of Man are British Crown Dependencies and there is still some oversight by the UK government. From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Accuracy is of the utmost importance in genealogy. Without that, we in the United State of America could be considered British, and Maine still part of Massachusetts! Try this for clarity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:British_Isles_Euler_diagram_15.svg CE _ From: kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 22:14:22 -0600 OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the Boyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: Legacy mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Oh, Aye,  Thanks, Shirley.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: Shirley Richardson mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine.  (I think shore was meant to be short)  Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event   Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is!  You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland:  “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.† Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work.  You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles.  For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy).  The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK.  I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: John B. Lisle mailto:leg...@tqsi.com Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US
Re: [LegacyUG] Suggestion reflects on Legacy FS
I replied to a post by Rebecca Irene Poole on the FamilySearch community forum for Family Tree. Her post goes like this: *A better way to add existing parents* When I add existing parents to someone in my tree, I have added one parent and then tried to add the other and get an error message that says this relationship already exists. I have figured out that I must edit the relationship to add the other parent. This is not at all intuitive to me. I think it would be a good idea if when you search and find one parent, it gives you the option of adding an existing spouse of that person or a new spouse. I think that would be much easier to understand. I want to ask the folks on the list, and the Legacy support folks if I could be wrong about what I said in my reply. Please tell me I'm not wrong about it. :-) Here is what I posted as a reply I think Rebecca's suggestion is an exceptionally good one. She makes a very valid point. Moreover, without that option, other difficulties are created. For example, without that option, *third-party software* does not have a way to add the other parent to an existing relationship created by adding the first parent. The result is always (and maybe forever) that a 2nd parent box is added with the child listed once under both parents, and once under a box with only the 2nd parent that was added. Each and every time that happens, we are obliged to enter Family Tree, and delete the extra relationship. I think that this is not just an irritation, it is a bug in the FT software. That should be fixed, not in the 3rd party software, but in Family Tree. Can we be any more clear in pointing out that the Family Tree database software is not altogether meeting requirements? Joseph Leavitt Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Kurt, With respect it is our country, and our right to determine who we are and where we are. We are a country with a long history and a multicultural one at that, which does mean that we have inconsistencies in the way we name places. It is not in our nature to look down on the new world, who, like children, think they know it all, and in their ignorance believe that they are always right. You see we have no need, we know who we are. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kurt Kneeland kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the Boyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: Legacy mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Oh, Aye,  Thanks, Shirley.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: Shirley Richardson mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine.  (I think shore was meant to be short)  Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event   Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is!  You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland:  “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.† Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work.  You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles.  For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy).  The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK.  I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: John B. Lisle mailto:leg...@tqsi.com Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the confusion should be minimal when leaving out the country for US locations. That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinistic. but is reasonable if the bulk of your audience is US based. I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
I could still use a good reference for finding correct names not just at top levels, but down to the county/shire and town/village levels. Thanks. From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:05 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Kurt, With respect it is our country, and our right to determine who we are and where we are. We are a country with a long history and a multicultural one at that, which does mean that we have inconsistencies in the way we name places. It is not in our nature to look down on the new world, who, like children, think they know it all, and in their ignorance believe that they are always right. You see we have no need, we know who we are. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kurt Kneeland kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the Boyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: Legacy mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Oh, Aye,  Thanks, Shirley.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: Shirley Richardson mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine.  (I think shore was meant to be short)  Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event   Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is!  You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland:  “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.† Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work.  You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles.  For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy).  The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK.  I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: John B. Lisle mailto:leg...@tqsi.com Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 8:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Paula, I think with the exception of Georgia, the names of the states in the US are different from any current country in the world, so the
RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Kurt, I have an excellent site which shows how to work this out. However, it is the middle of the night here, and I am on my mobile in bed! Don't ask - I slept all evening. Anyhow I will be happy to send the URL in a few hours. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kurt Kneeland kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I could still use a good reference for finding correct names not just at top levels, but down to the county/shire and town/village levels. Thanks. From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:05 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Kurt, With respect it is our country, and our right to determine who we are and where we are. We are a country with a long history and a multicultural one at that, which does mean that we have inconsistencies in the way we name places. It is not in our nature to look down on the new world, who, like children, think they know it all, and in their ignorance believe that they are always right. You see we have no need, we know who we are. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Kurt Kneeland kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: OK, this little blurb explains why the British Crown Dependencies and the British Overseas Territories are technically not part of the United Kingdom, but they are part of “The Crown” and there is still some support and oversight provided by the UK. I think it is still fair to treat them as second-level entities under the UK umbrella. From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event Perhaps they should consider this. Britain for he uninitiated http://explore.noodle.org/post/21512465875/because-one-must-know-the-difference-between-the Boyd On 6/12/2013 3:52 p.m., Bryan Pratt wrote: Ron, I think I’ll enshrine that reply on the wall. Said with monarchic suave. I don’t think we’ll ever teach the Americans geography. Sufficient to know that we know better. Bryan NZ (and thanks, Shirley) Sent from Windows Mail From: Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎December‎ ‎6‎, ‎2013 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: Legacy mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Oh, Aye,  Thanks, Shirley.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From: Shirley Richardson mailto:shirleyr...@clear.net.nz Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:39 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event  Thankyou Ron, I was waiting for you to step in, knowing your explanation would be far greater than mine.  (I think shore was meant to be short)  Regards Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event   Oh dear, John. There are times when I wonder where you are coming from. Take your first two paragraphs, you mention Georgia as being an exception, you may be right, I don’t know, or even care, but the rest of the world do not know what states the abbreviations stand for. Then you go on “That said, leaving out the country name in the US, is sort of chauvinisticâ€, well it is not sort of chauvinistic – it is!  You go on with respect to ourselves, The Brits, and Ireland:  “I personally append country UK to England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Mann, and Ireland (pre-independence) and use those country names as States. (The GeoDB allows for this...) However, in the shore name, I clip off the , UK as that reads better in reports.† Well, I don’t know what a “shore name is, perhaps an American GeoDB invention to cover countries which do not fit the American pattern. But then I don’t use the Geo9DB for anywhere outside of the USA, because for most places it doesn’t work.  You illustrate this perfectly by adding UK to its constituent COUNTRIES, and even worse append it to two countries that are not, and never had been part of the UK viz. The Isle of Man and the Channel Isles.  For Information, We are The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The geographical area (not political nor state) of Great Britain comprises England, Scotland and Wales. Got it – A united *kingdom* – a place united under a king (or to be non-sexist a monarchy).  The Principality of Wales was created by William 1 who gave it to his son. and subsequently Scotland in 1707 and Ireland joined, initially the Kingdom of GB and subsequently the UK.  I very much regret if the facts interfere with convenience, but then we have never accepted the rewriting of history by anyone.  Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/   From:
Re: [LegacyUG] Burial Location as a Cemetery Event
Hi Kurt, Have you visited http://genuki.org.uk/ ? It's a very handy web site for all things genealogical in the UK and Ireland. The mailing lists at Rootsweb (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) are very good for country-specfic assistance, too. This is really getting away from Legacy, so I won't contribute further to this discussion. :-) Wendy Kurt Kneeland said the following on 6/12/2013 6:36 p.m.: I could still use a good reference for finding correct names not just at top levels, but down to the county/shire and town/village levels. Thanks. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] FamilySearch
Judith, Did you set the option to integrate this family file with FamilySearch? john. At 11:41 PM 12/5/2013, Judith wrote: I am having a problem with opening FamilySearch on Legacy8, but the problem is with just one of my family files. When I first opened this particular family file, it did work with FamilySearch, now when I click on it, it initializes, finds my FamilySearch password and then opens with the message 'Too few parameters. Expected 1'. If I click O.K. on the 'parameters' message it keeps the main screen open, but there are no names in the list. The message is 'No one is selected in the filter list, please select someone or modify the filter list'. The 'Current Filter' is set to 'No extra filtering'. I know there must be some small setting or maybe a missing file? Judith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
