Re: What does Nokia's acquisition of Trolltech mean to Maemo?
Hi, > Welcome to the world of large, multi-national companies. I don't > imagine Nokia's M&A teams were particularly mindful of the Qt/Gtk > distinction in Maemo when they made the acquisition. Yes, of course I'm aware of the dynamics inside a huge company. But Nokia is a technology company, so I presumed that they do have a strategy and now it seems that they don't. Or they can't decide on which route to go and so they buy into all routes they can go. The money that Nokia now spends on Trolltech could have been used to assemble a killer team of own developers doing framework development. I thought that Maemo was just that, an experiment to build an open source framework that later might be used to develop closed-source phone applications on top of it. Maemo turned out really nice and Nokia has done great work for GTK so far. But now that they "bought" the competing framework, this armchair developer gets the impression that the experiment has failed. Has it? Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What does Nokia's acquisition of Trolltech mean to Maemo?
Reggie Suplido schrieb: > I guess the big news today is that Nokia is acquiring Trolltech: > http://trolltech.com/28012008/28012008 > > How do you think will this improve/affect Maemo? I have to admit: I don't get Nokia. So they invest in Maemo for several years, which is based on GTK. Now they buy Trolltech, which is developing Qt, the "competitor" to GTK. They also invest in three different (and more or less competing) browser engines: Minomo/Mozilla (the new Maemo browser engine), Opera (the old Maemo browser engine and used in several of their phones) and GTK Webkit/KHTML (used for some of their phones). While it's ok to keep all options open, it doesn't look like much of a strategy right now. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Curious: Maemo devices other than Nokia?
Hi, >> So in other words, despite Maemo being open source and free enough to be >> portable to other hardware, there is no other, non-Nokia device you can >> develop Maemo applications for, right? I wonder why this is so, since I >> like Maemo a lot (from a user's perspective). > > Because there is no way to download "maemo" easily and build your own > images for a different machine. If I am not mistaken, this is not exactly true. Maemo (as such) is free enough, some of the apps and drivers that Nokia ships with its tablets are not. A competitor interested in building a Maemo device should be able to adapt Maemo to its hardware and build replacements for the non-free apps. I wonder why this hasn't happened, yet. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Curious: Maemo devices other than Nokia?
Ross Burton schrieb: > I think it's fair to say that this is as close as you'll > ever get. :) So in other words, despite Maemo being open source and free enough to be portable to other hardware, there is no other, non-Nokia device you can develop Maemo applications for, right? I wonder why this is so, since I like Maemo a lot (from a user's perspective). Thanks, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Curious: Maemo devices other than Nokia?
Hi, Is there any other device (= not by Nokia) using the Maemo stack? Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Contribution code, ...
Hi, > Ditto. I just tried, and used the shop link given in the > Nokia mail. Code invalid. Both new and old, in fact. Same here. Too bad. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N810 available yet in Spain
Hi, > The discount code still don't work, but it's a great notice. Let's be > patient... :-) Same here in Germany: The N810 is "in stock", but the code doesn't work. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N800 & Video playback
Hi, >> The memory bandwidth to the N800 LCD framebuffer is 3 times slower that >> the bandwidth in the N770? Is it really _that_ big? > > Siarhei's calculations were correct, so, yes. > >> What is limiting the bandwidth: The OMAP interface, the LCD controller >> itself or was it a design issue. > > a) and c). It's just not stable at higher frequencies. Just curious - is there any word out about the N810 regarding this particular issue? (As previously mentioned, my personal killer app for Maemo is full screen 800x480 video @ 30 fps. Will it be possible?) Thanks! Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Mozilla based browser + brief GUADEC recap
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > Mozilla based browser engine available for testing > http://maemo.org/news/view/1184699585.html Congratulations! Just out of curiousity: Is there any word out on why Nokia chose Mozilla over Webcore this time? http://www.osnews.com/story.php/12965/An-Overview-of-Nokias-KHTMLWebCore-based-S60-Browser/ Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Internet Tablet Power Management presentation from linux-pm summit 2007
Marius Gedminas schrieb: > Palm had a simple sequence: > >1) Press power button Something like that had been suggested through https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1246 and was rejected as WONTFIX by the Nokia team. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Request: Please consider open-sourcing more of the applications
Quim Gil schrieb: > On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 12:18 +0200, ext Hanno Zulla wrote: >> Or is there anything else next to this source-dump on an external >> developer's website? >> >> http://www.bleb.org/software/n800/os2007-src/ > > Is something like http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/ > what you are looking for? Boy, do I feel stupid, once again. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Request: Please consider open-sourcing more of the applications
Hi, > If there is a specific application you would like to see opensourced I > suggest you to submit a feature request in bugzilla or vote to an > existing feature request. Done: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1235 > Being specific in the requests also help us being specific in our > answers i.e. detailing how close/far we could be from opening a > component. General requests like this one are really difficult to answer > without failing in vague statements. Yes, but: My request is also a request to build up a more concise way of allowing external developers to submit patches. Or is there anything else next to this source-dump on an external developer's website? http://www.bleb.org/software/n800/os2007-src/ Thanks & best regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Request: Please consider open-sourcing more of the applications
Hi, there are a few small nits in the base applications that ought to be resolved easily with just small patches to the source. However, it isn't possible to patch them: I was very happy that I got an instant response after contacting the package maintainer at Nokia. But he told me that unfortunately, no, the source is not available, so there is not way to submit patches and the user will have to wait until Nokia decides to address these issues from Bugzilla. This is a pity, as these are just small enhancements already existing applications, applications which are good and work fine and do not need to be duplicated. Thanks for considering this. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
MIDLinux (Re: No more 770 bug activity?)
Hi, > This might sound a bit harsh, but basically they want to force others > to start from scratch with a replacement UI instead of forking the > existing code, most likely to avoid contributing UI code for competing > products (if there will be such things, I'm not sure if the likes of > H9 are that...). Check out today's coverage at http://www.umpcportal.com, especially: http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=480 Seems that Redflag and Intel have built their own x86-based MIDLinux distribution using a Hildon UI. Intel apparently is going to announce a new product class called "Mobile Internet Devices" (MID) that shares a lot of specs with Nokia's Internet Tablet. https://intel.wingateweb.com/published/UMGS003/UMGS003_100eng.pdf Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scummvm, Re: N770 OS2007 hacker edition made it to the title page of Linux Weekly News
Frantisek Dufka schrieb: >> There are three different developers who independently ported ScummVM to >> Maemo by now. Also, I fear that soon there will be apps that run on >> previous IT OS distributions but never make it to the current release. > First was Tomas Junnonen who started with 0.8.0. [..] > Then I continued where he left and enabled more engines and updated it > from 0.8.1 to current stable 0.9.1. Sorry. I wasn't aware that yours wasn't a seperate attempt, but a continuation. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: scummvm, Re: N770 OS2007 hacker edition made it to the title page of Linux Weekly News
Frantisek Dufka schrieb: > Hanno Zulla wrote: > >> There are three different developers who independently ported ScummVM to >> Maemo by now. Also, I fear that soon there will be apps that run on >> previous IT OS distributions but never make it to the current release. >> > > Who is the third one? https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mud-builder-users/2007-February/000115.html > In fact same .deb package works in all IT2006 and 2007 releases Yes, thanks a lot! Just finished Monkey Island Part 3 with it (*). ScummVM is a great program and I'm very happy having it. (* Mostly. There where two scenes in the game, where I couldn't continue without a two-button mouse. MI1 and MI2 were no problem, though.) Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N770 OS2007 hacker edition made it to the title page of Linux Weekly News
Andrew Flegg schrieb: > It doesn't matter what the technical cause is, the repository > situation is a mess. Debian and Ubuntu don't have this problem by > better centralising, delegating and testing their packages through a > single build system. > > I worry that the Extras Repo is both too hard to upload to *and* too > unregulated. For example, instead of porting a library like libsoup > once, it's ported by Canola, it's ported for GPE etc. The end-user > then suffers the problems caused by this lack of co-ordination. There are three different developers who independently ported ScummVM to Maemo by now. Also, I fear that soon there will be apps that run on previous IT OS distributions but never make it to the current release. It's also confusing that many 3rd party applications never actually find their way in the central repository, be they official or non-supported. (My Ubuntu desktop box also uses some non-official sources, but its sources-list is still far shorter than the one on my N800.) Maemo needs a release manager. The release manager should coordinate that interesting apps find packagers who take care of making them available for all current flavors of the IT OS distributions. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N800 hardware revision?
Michael Wiktowy schrieb: >> If not I think I'll wait for the G43 from Digital-Cube ( >> http://www.gottabemobile.com/DigitalCubesG43SmallestUMPC.aspx). > > It is pretty plump > http://www.engadget.com/photos/hands-on-with-digital-cubes-worlds-smallest-umpc-the-g43/185719/ > > and twice the price. Interesting specs though. I wonder what Linux > they would be installing. I personally think that using a desktop UI > that is built for a mouse on these things is a mistake. I have seen the G43 at CeBIT and took a photo of it right next to my N800. Here you can get the direct size comparison (scroll down a little for the photo): http://www.hanno.de/blog/2007/03/28/x86-umpcs-are-getting-sexier/ Thanks to visiting the Digital Cube booth with a journalist, I was able to speak with one of their reps and could ask a few more in-depth questions. Unfortunately, he didn't know too much about his company's Linux plans for the device. What the tech press incl. Engadget fail to mention is that the G43 as shown in pictures these days is a prototype design. It is NOT final. They are still working on the case and it might look very different when it is released. I had the chance to play with it. It's fascinating and if x86 PCs continue to shrink like this, ARM-based devices such as the N800 will have a tough time ahead. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo Language bindings and priorities
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > I'm collecting developer feedback regarding language binding needs on > maemo. Hildon and other APIs need bindings in order to have native > support in languages other than C. Currently there exists unofficial > bindings for C++, for example, and bindings for Python. So the question > is what bindings do you need for your development, for what language, > and why (if not obvious)? Thanks! I think that C and Python are perfect. However, some more tutorials and sample source code would be nice. Did I mention that it'd be great to have some sample source code that shows how to develop for the DSP on the N800? Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: A Pitch for making SAMBA Server a core part of the N800 OS
Hi, > I think that making SAMBA a core (i.e. supported by Nokia) part of the > N800 os would greatly facility development, testing, and experimentation > with the N800, at least for those, like me, who work mostly using > Microsoft Windows desktop systems. I disagree. There are tools for Windows that can help you access the system using the existing ssh server. http://www.enginsite.com/ssh-webdav-ftp-sftp-client.htm http://fullsync.sourceforge.net/index.php http://www.sftpdrive.com/ Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N800 & Video playback
Siarhei Siamashka schrieb: > Looks like graphics bus on N800 is 3x slower than on Nokia 770. It might > be caused by inefficient framebuffer driver implementation in its initial > revision. But if it is a hardware issue, getting normal video playback at > native framerate may be troublesome. It would be a major disappointment if this turns out to be a hardware issue... Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: DVD content playback possible or not? Re: Wishlist (was:Re: N800 and USB host mode)
Hi, > I'd rather transcode once into a format more suitable for portable > devices than waste all my Flash storing the same single uncompressed DVD > film/movie. > > It's about balance, and having the powerful desktop CPU convert the film > as a one-off exercise is surely a better option than expecting more from > a hardware-limited platform, or consuming all your available Flash > memory to store the film in it's original state. As Mike stated, the format isn't the problem. (If I'm happy to put a full DVD on an SDHC card and you are not, so be it.) Playback resolution is the problem and the hardware limitations will not allow us to use the N800 screen as it is. That's a pity, alhtough I understand the reasons for these limitations. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: DVD content playback possible or not? Re: Wishlist (was:Re: N800 and USB host mode)
Hi, > I think the format question is a red herring here. Indeed. > What we really want is to fully utilize the display quality when > watching video, and it sounds like that's a request that Nokia has > heard. They're doing what they can in terms of optimization, and I'm > sure it will play into their discussions for the next hardware rev. I certainly hope so. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: DVD content playback possible or not? Re: Wishlist (was:Re: N800 and USB host mode)
Hi, Klaus Rotter schrieb: > Hanno Zulla wrote: >> Video playback is my biggest wish for improvement on the N800. See >> http://www.hanno.de/blog/2007/02/16/video-on-n800/ for some comparisons >> of video playback on the N800 as it is today and how it could be on an >> 800x480 screen. > > Why do you want DVD MPEG2 Playback? "Because it's there." There's lots of content available in MPEG2, either on DVD or coming from DVB broadcasts. MPEG2 needs little CPU resources, is well understood by developers and is well supported by several apps. Including vlc which even understands DVD menus. I would love to just copy a DVD disc image or a DVB recording to my N800 and watch it on the go. > MPEG2 is IMHO not the way to go, it needs big files. This is true. One DVD is up to 9 GB of data, but usually less. SDHC is coming and the N800 can support it. Flash is getting cheaper by the minute. In just a few months, 8 GB of flash storage on an SDHC card will be affordable to anyone and 16 GB is just around the corner. > Better support for MPEG4 and the media player is > needed. Media Player often says "playback of this format is not > supported" but the files play fine in mplayer. And AFAIK mplayer only > uses the CPU and not the DSP. (Ok, it may use the MP2/3 DSP codecs vor > audio decoding.) > > Better support for 400x240 MPEG4 would be fine. One can store about 5-6 > houres of video on a 2 GB card. With MPEG2 this would be only about 1h. You are, of course, right that MPEG4 is far superiour to MPEG2. But MPEG4 needs more CPU power AND you have to transcode the existing material we already have on DVD or DVB before you can watch it. It's kind of pointless to waste desktop CPU power to transcode existing material if you could watch it in original form. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: DVD content playback possible or not? Re: Wishlist
Hi Daniel, >> DVD content is MPEG-2 video, which the N800 cpu should be able to >> decode. But DVD video is 720x480 at 30 fps (NTSC) or 720x576 at 25 fps >> (PAL), so reading from your previous message, I fear that the hardware >> is just incapable of playing it... Or isn't it? > > Unfortunately this is definitely not possible. A quick > back-of-the-envelope calculation suggests that we're only able to put > about 7fps through at PAL even with the newer firmware. This is a > pure hardware limitation, and not something we can work around in > software. You'd have to reduce to about 400x320 at 25fps, or 500x400 > for roughly 15fps. Boy, what a disappointment. I mean, really. TI is advertising the chipset used in the N800 as dvd-capable and I had the impression that the hardware was there, "only" the missing video acceleration and dsp drivers were stopping us from watching full-screen 30fps video on the device. I had also thought that a dsp had its own path to the video screen so that it could decode video on its own. I really, really like the N800 and Maemo is as cool as it can get, so congrats on you guys' work so far. But this is sad to hear. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
DVD content playback possible or not? Re: Wishlist (was:Re: N800 and USB host mode)
Hi, >> I'd like support for the IVA (Imaging Video Accelerator) device to be >> implemented, or at least for some more information to be made available if >> Nokia >> can't justify the time. >> >> Rationale: >> >> This hardware is supposed to be able to improve large image display and can >> VGA >> decoding at up to 30fps. And again, it's just sat there. > > Right now, the biggest bottleneck in video decoding is RFBI bandwidth > (i.e. the bus between OMAP and the LCD controller we use), being too > slow to push more than ~15fps through at 800x480. Beefing up the > processor-side decoding doesn't help. We've been working on this and > the next firmware update will give you significantly faster video (with > a couple of caveats). > > So it's mostly just down to the large image display, which more or less > suffers from the same problem. I don't think it would give us much > benefit at all. So from the hardware side, it is definitely no-matter-what-you-try impossible to play DVD video content on the N800, even if there was help from the DSP? Video playback is my biggest wish for improvement on the N800. See http://www.hanno.de/blog/2007/02/16/video-on-n800/ for some comparisons of video playback on the N800 as it is today and how it could be on an 800x480 screen. So far, I had hoped that the N800 might one day be able to play DVD files from an SDHC card, once the existing hardware (as Simon noted) had better support. Would be a giant pity if it's impossible. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Maemo at CeBIT 2007?
Hi, will there be Maemo-related items at the CeBIT in Hannover? I'd like to make sure I see those exhibits that are there this year. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Multiple Choice Response Form (Re: How to learn DSP development for N800?)
Hi, > I want to learn how to add new codecs to Maemo. So: Yes, I want direct > access to the DSP. > > Basically, I'm asking for what Frantisek just described in his message > "Maemo roadmap, SDK improvements..." to this list: > >> - example of simple hello world dsp task with working makefile >> including linking phase with dsp bios used on device > >> - source of example audio/video sink - i.e. how to produce audio/video >> from the dsp task (=what code to call in dsp bios) This is not meant as a flame. I know that you guys from Nokia read this list. I know that you are bound to some legal mumbo-jumbo and cannot reply to anything suggested here. I also know that the open source community is a group of grumpy people with questionable social skills, so you've been flamed to hell and back on this list and you have lost interest in replying to the ungrateful crackpots writing here... ;-) However, SOME sort of response would be REALLY kind, even if [1] hasn't been hired, yet. So, Nokia guys, please select one or more of the following multiple choices: [ ] "Good idea, we might provide this some time in the future, but we cannot promise a date for that, so please be patient." [ ] "Good idea, but we cannot provide this due to legal reasons, please understand." [ ] "Good idea, but you have to sign this NDA first to receive this information." [ ] "Sorry, not a good idea, it's too much work for the Nokia developers to provide you with some definitive guide to DSP development and we prefer working on Maemo development. Here are some helpful links to get you started, but you have to find out this stuff on your own." [ ] "Sorry, not a good idea, we don't want to you to hack the hardware and will not provide direct access to the DSP. Please stay at the application level when developing for Maemo devices." [ ] "Sorry, no idea. We haven't made up our mind on this, yet." [ ] Other: ___ Thank you, Hanno [1] http://careers.nokia.com/nokia/hr/recrsyst.nsf/WB2RR/B18285E672815A72C225726000399BAA (Great idea! I hope that the documentation manager will improve discussions like this one and really look forward to his work!) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Dream Scenario (Re: Maemo roadmap, SDK improvements...)
Jorge Salamero Sanz schrieb: > so why nokia is claiming they have an oss product if they are not making any > effort to open it ? Allow me to rephrase this a bit less harsh. Nokia, so far, is doing a really good job and just because the flamewar is the de-facto mode of discussion between most FOSS developers, I'm not trying to flame Nokia into submission to my wishes... So far, Nokia has tried to attract application developers. That's the layer above the platform. I would like to tinker with the platform, though. Making this possible will require an added layer of development material for non-Nokia folks. It would be nice if Nokia could make this possible and I am naive enough to believe that this is doable /and/ in the best interest for both parties. (Nokia developers, if there is a way where we can - politely - ask for this from your keepers / project managers, let me know.) Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Dream Scenario (Re: Maemo roadmap, SDK improvements...)
Hi, > Not quite: you can run Ubuntu without any non-free components, but you > can't exactly boot the N800 without a bootloader. I'm aware of that. As long as I can download the bootloader binary blob and combine it with my self-built stuff to get a working firmware image, I'm happy. Is that possible? Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] How to learn DSP development for N800?
Hanno Zulla schrieb: > Basically, I'm asking for what Frantisek just described in his message > "Maemo roadmap, SDK improvements..." to this list: So the lack of responses is a hint that this doesn't exist? Too bad. Then I'd like to add this to the "SDK improvements" requests. Thanks! I hope it will be possible. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] Dream Scenario (Re: Maemo roadmap, SDK improvements...)
Hi, to me, the relationship between Maemo's FOSS parts and Maemo's closed parts are like the relationship between Ubuntu and its closed source driver packages (NVidia, WLAN firmware, etc.). I would be nicest if Maemo was distributed similar to that. Dave Neuer schrieb: > What exactly are asking for here: an official tarball release of > everything in one tree? Pointers to svn tags for each component? My dream scenario would be something that would easily allow non-Nokia developers to build a working firmware binary that is equivalent to the current official release, using as much source as possible. To do this, one would need: - An official deb-src repository of all open source Maemo packages written by Nokia (which developers can modify, build and package in Scratchbox) - Another official repository of all closed source Maemo binaries (which developers can add to their own Scratchbox environment) - A tool to prelink the software and create a firmware from these packages The workflow for a non-Nokia developer would be like this: - (Modify and) build all open-source packages that the developer is interested in using apt-get build-dep / apt-build / some similar tool. - Install the closed-source binary blob packages the developers wants using apt-get (for those .debs which have no foss replacements) - create a custom firmware, flash it - Bingo That way, non-Nokia developers can easily tinker with the open source parts of Maemo and learn about the system's API to write alternatives for the closed source parts (e.g. to replace the opera-based browser with a browser based on gtk+ webcore, while keeping all the other parts of Maemo). Also, it would allow us to create custom firmware. E.g. a firmware that contains my language only or adds languages that Nokia doesn't support, e.g. Japanese. Or a firmware that does not contain the RSS and the Mail application, but still can play MP3s. I don't know how naive or impertinent this dream scenario is and I hope that the folks at Nokia like it, as it's not meant as a rude request. So far, Nokia has made a great effort to allow non-Nokia developers write applications for Maemo. However, it is obvious that people are interested in working on Maemo's core itself to add small features and remove minor nits. (I am.) The dream scenario outlined above would make this possible and it appears to be doable and manageable without the need for NDAs, as binary blobs remain binary blobs. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] What kind of tools and utilities you want in ARM
Acadia Secure Networks schrieb: > how about the following utilities which are already quite standard for > most Linux distributions: All three are not development tools, but applications. You might want to port them, but I doubt that they are absolutely necessairy for development. I see your need for a network sniffer, though I guess that one should be easily ported to Maemo. > 2. Samba Server. Related to the above, the ability to easily "pull" and > "push" files from a CIFS/SMB compatible PC (e.g. Windows XP, etc.) would > be very useful. I use scp. You might want to try sshfs based on FUSE if you are running a Linux desktop; with it, you can mount the device's filesystem right into your desktop's filesystem. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] What kind of tools and utilities you want
Andrew Flegg schrieb: > I've had no problems `apt-get install perl perl-modules' on my 770 > from the maemo repository. Not tried it on my N800, but - worryingly - > the packages don't seem to be there: > > http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.0/free/binary/ Whoever built it didn't do that for the N800. So I guess it's a perfect candidate for a MUD recipe so that this doesn't happen again. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] What kind of tools and utilities you want
Stefan Englhardt schrieb: > I would like to see perl and mysql client lib as > this is the platform I'm used to. Have a look at http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/index.php I plan to add a perl & perl libraries recipe there, but maybe you will be faster than I am. Perl is relatively easy to build for various platforms, incl. ARM. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] How to learn DSP development for N800?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > Well, do you want direct access to DSP or do you want to use just > gstreamer? I want to learn how to add new codecs to Maemo. So: Yes, I want direct access to the DSP. Basically, I'm asking for what Frantisek just described in his message "Maemo roadmap, SDK improvements..." to this list: > - example of simple hello world dsp task with working makefile > including linking phase with dsp bios used on device > - source of example audio/video sink - i.e. how to produce audio/video > from the dsp task (=what code to call in dsp bios) Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] How to learn DSP development for N800?
Hi, I'd like to learn about how to write an app / a library that can use the DSP for some basic multimedia stuff. I'm looking for a simple example source for the N800 that does DSP stuff to learn from it. Any project you can recommend? Thanks, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Maemo roadmap, SDK improvements...
Marius Gedminas schrieb: >> 3. An image built from only Free Software, that leads to as much >>functionality as possible, (even if not all hardware components are >>entirely functional) Me too. Actually, I'd like to be given the possibility to build a full firmware image by myself. Those parts that are open buildable from source, those parts that are not as pre-packaged binaries. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
