[MBZ] Last One Somebody Needs This

[Rick Knoble]

Last one tonight. Allan Streib this ones for you...

Not mine, no affiliation, etc. 

http://terrehaute.craigslist.org/cto/3519816651.html

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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Rick Knoble]

Caveat. I don't own these books, and haven't read them. All are less than $65. 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0850453259/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1357275630&sr=8-6&pi=SL75

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1861266731/ref=aa_ol_d

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1855206773/ref=mp_bxgy_p_dp_y

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1845841077/ref=s9_simh_awgw_d


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On Jan 3, 2013, at 10:36 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> Yabbut you won't find a better tome covering the SL models, for sure.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2013, at 9:28 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Check out the book by John Olsen
>> 
>> 
>> Pricey book. 
>> 
>> http://amzn.com/0963539426
>> 
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Dan Penoff]

Yabbut you won't find a better tome covering the SL models, for sure.

Dan


On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:20 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> On Jan 3, 2013, at 9:28 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Check out the book by John Olsen
> 
> 
> Pricey book. 
> 
> http://amzn.com/0963539426
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Rick Knoble]

On Jan 3, 2013, at 9:28 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:

> Check out the book by John Olsen


Pricey book. 

http://amzn.com/0963539426

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 86, Issue 17

[Peter Frederick]

When mine was new, regular was often 21 cents per gallon, and I could  
fill up my Olds 88 for $4.


Now I get dinged for $60 a week if I'm lucky and don't drive the TE.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 86, Issue 17

[RELNGSON]

> Best I ever got on the 280 SE 4.5 was 17 on the highway, typically 
> in 
> town it was 14 at best, as low as 11
> 
Just like my '73 450SE. Of course, gas was a wee bit cheaper in the 
mid-'70s.

RLE

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[MBZ] Someone Needs This Too

[Rick Knoble]

Loren???

Not mine, no affiliation, etc. 

I'll try to stop now...
Mercedes-Benz : 200-Series 200 D 1967 Mercedes Benz 200 D



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[MBZ] Somebody Needs This

[Rick Knoble]

Yeah. Someone here needs this. 
Not mine, no affiliation, etc. 

Mercedes-Benz : Other FLU10144 1993 Daimler-Benz Unimog w/ Freightliner 
Modifications



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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Dan Penoff]

I used my signed personal copy of John's book to do my research when I was 
looking at these cars.  For some reason, there are just tons of 75s and 76s 
around this area.  I'll bet there are a few on CL in Tampa right now.

Nearly every one I looked at would have needed all of the engine compartment 
rubber bits, mainly all the little fuel ones, replaced due to heat damage.  
When I would inspect these cars I was afraid to touch any of them for fear one 
would crack and the resulting fuel leak would make the thing go up in flames.

Dan

 
On Jan 3, 2013, at 10:29 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> Exactly Dan, I was going to stay out of this, but MB put the cats "in" the 
> engine compartment and made it the worst of all SL models. Check out the book 
> by John Olsen. When I first started in this insane business in 1976, we sold 
> more parts on that car than any other. Mercedes figured it out and moved the 
> cats under the car.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
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Re: [MBZ] OT Need propane heater for my garage

[Dieselhead]

Northern Tools has some awesome sales on space heaters.  I like the
convenience of propane and will only be heating the garage to keep my
heirloom tomato seedlings toasty during their vulnerable time.  Any
recommendations?


Be like the settlers on the prairie.  Get a pellet stove and make cat 
poop pellets to heat your dermaders with the pellet stove.  Or be 
like a lot of users, and burn corn.


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Re: [MBZ] Was: "The Star" back issue Now: '68 250S

[Peter Frederick]

Both front fenders perforated, rear quarters iffy, floor is bad in the  
rear, sills getting rough.


It's bad enough I'd not bother to attempt a restoration, but the  
running gear is all good except the engine block is cracked.   PO left  
water in it over the winter.  I acquired a spare engine in running  
condition from a 74 SL, needs cams, distributor, and exhaust manifolds  
changed but otherwise ready to do.


Transmission is fine, rear end has a bit of a whine, probably needs  
fluid changed.


Unknown milage because the odometer had not moved for years before I  
got it.


Wrong calipers on the front, need the heavy duty ones.

I have a replacement Becker Mexico with tape player in unknown  
condition, too.


Currently has home-made vinyl seat covers in front that I put  
together, I have a mostly completed set in navy blue leather.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[buymbparts]

Exactly Dan, I was going to stay out of this, but MB put the cats "in" the 
engine compartment and made it the worst of all SL models. Check out the book 
by John Olsen. When I first started in this insane business in 1976, we sold 
more parts on that car than any other. Mercedes figured it out and moved the 
cats under the car.



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-Original Message-
From: Dan Penoff 
Sender: "Mercedes" 
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:01:45 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

I just think about all of the 1975 450SLs I've looked at that had roasted fuel 
lines, D-Jet issues, etc.

When I was considering buying one a few years back, I can't count the number of 
1975 models I saw - tons of them. They were almost all roasted under the hood 
from the cats.

Dan

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On Jan 3, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> Yeah, all the mid 70s stuff is a low point in automotive history.  Giant
> bumpers, lots of smog crap.  But a 75 still has more power than a late 450,
> manual climate control.  And D jet gives all sorts of ownership challenges,
> if you like that sort of thing!
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:
>> 
>>> What do you dislike about the 75s Dan?
>> 
>> 
>> If the MB of that era are anything like domestic iron of that era, ugh.
>> Emission controlled, breathless, hp choked, EPA restricted turds they were.
>> IIRC the quickest domestic car in a 1/4 mile acceleration contest wasn't a
>> car at all, it was a Dodge Lil' Red Wagon pickup truck in 1975, or '76.
>> That is part of "the good old days" I do NOT miss.
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Dan Penoff]

Actually, I worked for the Generator Division.  Even smaller plant than the 
Engine Division, only about 350 people total, including admin employees.

Funny, cause the guy was really nice to me after that.  Never did shine my 
shoes, though.

Dan


On Jan 3, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> Kohler. I knew it was a small engine plant. Funny story. 
> 
> Rick
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:51 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> 
>> We had a "shoe truck" that came to the plant at Kohler once a month. 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> . I do recall Dan P. posting that he had a steel toe pair for when he went 
>> on the floor of a manufacturing plant in Wisconsin when he worked there. 
>> Briggs & Stratton, or perhaps Tecumseh, I think. 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Rick Knoble]

Kohler. I knew it was a small engine plant. Funny story. 

Rick
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On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:51 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> We had a "shoe truck" that came to the plant at Kohler once a month. 
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad

> . I do recall Dan P. posting that he had a steel toe pair for when he went on 
> the floor of a manufacturing plant in Wisconsin when he worked there. Briggs 
> & Stratton, or perhaps Tecumseh, I think. 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 

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[MBZ] OT Need propane heater for my garage

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Northern Tools has some awesome sales on space heaters.  I like the
convenience of propane and will only be heating the garage to keep my
heirloom tomato seedlings toasty during their vulnerable time.  Any
recommendations?

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Re: [MBZ] Lock

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Had to be mostly for labor.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> W140 wrote:
>>
>> FYI: Dan, I just replaced my lock (1992 300SD), the cost at the dealer was
>> $1215.00
>> Walt Lasher
>> Seattle
>> 1992 300SD/S350
>
>
> The old one wouldn't unlock?
>
> Mitch.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Skunky Front Loading Washer - OT

[Dan Penoff]

I will say it's been about a week since I installed my little CPU fan 
arrangement and the washer has been smelling just fine.

I forgot about a load of laundry in it overnight, which almost guaranteed 
skunkyness, and amazingly enough - none.

Dan

On Jan 3, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> Neat article.  I bought a Bosch front loader back in 2000 and never had any
> problems.  I cleaned the detergent dispenser once and a while.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Rick Knoble]

On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:42 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:

> And D jet gives all sorts of ownership challenges,
> if you like that sort of thing!


In today's day or even the mid nineties, with email lists and forums just 
coming online, owning a car with fuel injection probably isn't as bad as when 
there was an information void. I had an L-Jetronic injected BMW in the eighties 
that I never did get sorted out. Cured me of BMW's, it did.  

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting

[Andrew Strasfogel]

You should drive it up to WInnipeg where on a warm day it gets as high
as 5 degrees!

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> Marshall Booth used to say that the best compression check was the ability to 
> start in cold weather.  In other words, compression is not a problem for your 
> car, you've just proved that by test.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
> '73 Balboa 20
>
> dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>My car started this am in 5 degree temps!  Kinda surprised considering the 
>>all over the place compression readings this September.
>>
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[MBZ] 10 cars that are out of stock

[Andrew Strasfogel]

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-cars-so-popular-theyre-out-of-stock-2013-01-03?siteid=nwtpm

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Re: [MBZ] Skunky Front Loading Washer - OT

[Brian Toscano]

Neat article.  I bought a Bosch front loader back in 2000 and never had any
problems.  I cleaned the detergent dispenser once and a while.

On Saturday, December 29, 2012, Rick Knoble wrote:

> Okay, Karl Denninger is a finance/economy guy, but he had a great article
> on front loaders a while back.
>
> http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2828226
>
> Thank you Mitch for turning me on to the Market Ticket some years ago,
> either here, or on Banned.
>
> Rick
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:43 PM, "Dan Penoff" >
> wrote:
>
> > One of the reasons attributed to the skunky smell issue is the use of
> too much detergent.  Most manufacturers recommend no more than two
> tablespoons of HE detergent per load unless you have really hard water.
> >
> > My machine, despite being a low end one, will extend the wash cycle if
> there are too much suds.
> >
> > It has an extra rinse cycle, but I only use it when running bleach in a
> load.
> >
> > I will say that as of two days into the power vent use, the drum smells
> very nice.
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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Dan Penoff]

I just think about all of the 1975 450SLs I've looked at that had roasted fuel 
lines, D-Jet issues, etc.

When I was considering buying one a few years back, I can't count the number of 
1975 models I saw - tons of them. They were almost all roasted under the hood 
from the cats.

Dan

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On Jan 3, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> Yeah, all the mid 70s stuff is a low point in automotive history.  Giant
> bumpers, lots of smog crap.  But a 75 still has more power than a late 450,
> manual climate control.  And D jet gives all sorts of ownership challenges,
> if you like that sort of thing!
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:
>> 
>>> What do you dislike about the 75s Dan?
>> 
>> 
>> If the MB of that era are anything like domestic iron of that era, ugh.
>> Emission controlled, breathless, hp choked, EPA restricted turds they were.
>> IIRC the quickest domestic car in a 1/4 mile acceleration contest wasn't a
>> car at all, it was a Dodge Lil' Red Wagon pickup truck in 1975, or '76.
>> That is part of "the good old days" I do NOT miss.
>> 
>> Rick
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Was: "The Star" back issue Now: '68 250S

[dseretakis]

How rusty?

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On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Peter Frederick  wrote:

> Southern Indiana.  Car still drives, might need a charge on the battery by 
> now.
> 
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[MBZ] Block Heater Question

[W140]

Well the element doesn’t have an infinite life, but with that being said, when 
I worked in the High Arctic we would leave the vehicles plugged in all the time 
we were not driving. 
But just as a matter of economics if you were not going to drive it for a week 
I would plug it in 24 hours before I started it.
You don’t mention the Outside air temperature (OAT) but if economics is not a 
problem and your talking well below zero I would plug it in and leave it.
So to answer your question: The element doesn’t have an infinite life but no, 
leaving it in for a week shouldn’t hurt.

 Walt Lasher
Seattle
W140
300SD/S350
 

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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Mitch

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:
took off the torn boot, put the new rod on, and I had to drive 950 
miles home in a storm with no boot whatsoever on the tie rod. 10,000 
miles later my new rod is toast.


A baggie and two zip ties would have killed them?


I thought about trying to wrap it in something, but was in a hurry to get going 
so I could get some sleep in Cleveland. About an hour and a half later, the rain 
started in earnest, then snow after it got dark.


I would have been happier with a boot torn into two pieces, rather than totally 
removed. The old tie rod they gave me still had half a boot on it. If the other 
half was still on the rack it could have shielded the inner joint from direct 
spray.


The agreement was for all old parts to be with the car. When I got home I 
realized the only thing they'd given me was the inner tie rod with over 1/4" of 
play in it. I didn't get the transmission conductor plate and valve spring, or 
even the two extra dipstick tube covers after I had Rusty deliver three of them 
to the seller.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Lock

[Mitch Haley]

W140 wrote:

FYI: Dan, I just replaced my lock (1992 300SD), the cost at the dealer was 
$1215.00
Walt Lasher
Seattle
1992 300SD/S350


The old one wouldn't unlock?

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Re: [MBZ] Lock

[buymbparts]

Shoulda called "Q"


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Subject: [MBZ] Lock


FYI: Dan, I just replaced my lock (1992 300SD), the cost at the dealer was 
$1215.00
Walt Lasher
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[MBZ] Lock

[W140]

FYI: Dan, I just replaced my lock (1992 300SD), the cost at the dealer was 
$1215.00
Walt Lasher
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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Mitch

[Jim Cathey]

took off the torn boot, put the new rod on, and I had to drive 950 
miles home in a storm with no boot whatsoever on the tie rod. 10,000 
miles later my new rod is toast.


A baggie and two zip ties would have killed them?

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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[Dan Penoff]

My 250LWB had 15" steel wheels.  I chose them instead of the 14" bundts that 
were offered by the seller.

I think the car handled and drove a lot better with 15" wheels than the 123s I 
had previously that had the 14" bundts.

Dan

 
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> This won't fix the tire size issue but some W123 240D and 280E models had 
> steel style wheels in aluminum alloy which take the hubcaps. These are what 
> my 240D has and are actually pretty sought after as many use them as an 
> upgrade for the W113 SLs. If ever you see a 240D in a junkyard, look for 
> these wheels and grab 'em!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 14" Tires (tahrs)?

[Mitch Haley]

Fmiser wrote:

Mitch Haley wrote:



Altimax RT in 98T - extra load rating
are probably a good all around choice for $71 plus shipping
for 205/70 tires.


I'm quite satisfied.  I'm on the second set on my wagon.  Since
I tend to load it, I wanted the extra load rating.  But I don't
feel I sacrificed to get the load rating.



How many miles did you get out of the first set?
Looks like 205/70-14 are rated 600 A A.

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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[dseretakis]

This won't fix the tire size issue but some W123 240D and 280E models had steel 
style wheels in aluminum alloy which take the hubcaps. These are what my 240D 
has and are actually pretty sought after as many use them as an upgrade for the 
W113 SLs. If ever you see a 240D in a junkyard, look for these wheels and grab 
'em!

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On Jan 3, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:

> OK.hook set, how $$$?
> 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:
> 
>> There are still 15" bundts too. But very expensive.
>> 
>> Rusty Cullens
>> buyMBparts, Inc.
>> 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
>> Suite 260
>> Atlanta, GA 30360
>> 
>> 800-741-5252
>> 770-452-7320
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
>> monroe
>> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:34 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades
>> 
>> Thank you for the offer.
>> 
>> Tom Hanson makes mention that there are 15 inch steel wheels that take hub
>> caps.  I want to keep the hub cap look, but have trepidation about investing
>> good cash in rims that will have obsolete tire sizes in a few years.  I can
>> buy obsolete tires now for big cash or spend reasonable cash on a larger
>> size tire on a more modern wheel
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 3, 2013, at 6:43 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:
>> 
>>> I have the 15 hole 15" wheels new for $125.00 each plus shipping.
>>> 
>>> Rusty Cullens
>>> buyMBparts, Inc.
>>> 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
>>> Suite 260
>>> Atlanta, GA 30360
>>> 
>>> 800-741-5252
>>> 770-452-7320
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> clay monroe
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:43 PM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades
>>> 
>>> I do too.  
>>> 
>>> I am in a bind over being able to source a tire that performs to the 
>>> design specifications of the car.  I can put lower speed tires that fit
>> the OEM
>>> rim, or upsize to rims that will fit current formulas of rubber.Tom @
>>> Classic center says to put lower grade rubber or purchase, from 
>>> classic center at great cost, the 15 inch wheels used on the  560SL.  
>>> I have a budget of $600 to solve this puzzle
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2013, at 5:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> 
 I think those wheels will look horrible!
 
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> Had a blow out on right rear, classic center says to use 
> underwhelming
>>> tires on stock rims or upsize to a 15inch.  Both 14 & 15 inch are 
>>> becoming harder to source so I looked at upsize x2, I still need good 
>>> rubber for Froggy.  I was able to pick up some 8 hole 16 inch benz 
>>> rims.  What does the group mind think I will have problems with?
> 
> 1150 is cast on the front side.
> 
> 7 1/2 Jx16H2
> 
> ET-96
> 
> PCD 112
> 
> Made in Italy
> 
> I looked at tire sizes to fit and came up with best seeming to be a
>>> 205/60/16 in H rated or V.  That would have minimal impact on speedo, 
>>> which is far off anyway.  Are these wheels too fat to fit under the 
>>> fender?  Any other issues I am missing?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Dan Penoff]

We had a "shoe truck" that came to the plant at Kohler once a month. They sold 
shoes for the employees on the factory floor. I wandered in one time and asked 
if they had any dress safety shoes, which they did. I bought a pair of black 
steel toed wing tips. Not sure what brand they were, but I only had to wear 
them on the factory floor so they got very little wear.

There was a union steward who was a real dick to all of the white collar 
employees. He would walk up and step on the toes of your shoes to see if you 
were wearing steel toes - if not, he would file a complaint with the safety 
committee.

I told a couple of people I worked with about my new shoes, who then followed 
me out to the factory floor.  Sure enough, Mr. Dick came walking up and stepped 
on the toe of one of my shoes. He had a really strange look on his face when he 
realized that I had steel toed shoes.

I tossed a shop towel at him and told him he owed me a shine.

Dan

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On Jan 3, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> On Jan 3, 2013, at 6:35 PM, "Mountain Man"  wrote:
> 
>> I wear Red Wing 101 no longer made, made in USA.
>> My sons all wear made in USA Red Wing or made in USA boots from Wesco.
> 
> 
> I wear Redwing boots also. I work in a "blue collar" job, so they are the 
> boot of choice for me. I refuse to sacrifice my comfort and safety for a few 
> dollars. It's not worth it. They "may" make shoes for a business environment 
> also. I do recall Dan P. posting that he had a steel toe pair for when he 
> went on the floor of a manufacturing plant in Wisconsin when he worked there. 
> Briggs & Stratton, or perhaps Tecumseh, I think. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Yeah, all the mid 70s stuff is a low point in automotive history.  Giant
bumpers, lots of smog crap.  But a 75 still has more power than a late 450,
manual climate control.  And D jet gives all sorts of ownership challenges,
if you like that sort of thing!

Jaime



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> On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:
>
> > What do you dislike about the 75s Dan?
>
>
> If the MB of that era are anything like domestic iron of that era, ugh.
> Emission controlled, breathless, hp choked, EPA restricted turds they were.
> IIRC the quickest domestic car in a 1/4 mile acceleration contest wasn't a
> car at all, it was a Dodge Lil' Red Wagon pickup truck in 1975, or '76.
> That is part of "the good old days" I do NOT miss.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[dseretakis]

I have to concur about the Allen Edmonds. I have a pair in cordovan leather- 
not the color but the leather apparently made from horse hide or something and 
let me tell you they are tough! 
And don't laugh but during my pimpin' days back in Boston during the late 90's, 
I bought a couple of Gucci shoes. They were also made from cordovan leather.  
Wow are those shoes tough. I wore them clubbing, to bars, in the rain, snow and 
sleet and they held up incredibly well- better than the Allen- Edmonds. Looking 
back, I am horrified at what I paid for those shoes but I now realize that they 
were a lifetime purchase. I Never have to buy another nice shoe again. For 
everyday shoes I now pay $20-30 for whatever Timberland shoe is on clearance at 
the Factory Outlet in Freeport, Maine.

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On Jan 3, 2013, at 4:37 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

> 
> 
>>> From: dsn...@mtsqh.com
>> I get the feeling a lot of us on this list appreciate quality products
>> even if they cost more but last longer. Why else would so many hang on
>> to 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.  I wear dress shoes everyday and have
>> finally > discovered that more expensive shoes are worth it. But, with
>> leather soles they wear out. I just dropped off my favorite Cole Haan
>> shoes for soles and heels it was $65. That seems steep. But, they were
>> the most >expensive and most comfortable dress shoes I have ever had. I
>> went ahead and had them do it.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have other
>> suggestions for great well made dress shoes that are worth repairing and
>> keeping for years?  I want some Allen Edmonds, but I'm not willing to
>> pay $350 for them at least not yet!
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Rick Knoble]

On Jan 3, 2013, at 6:35 PM, "Mountain Man"  wrote:

> I wear Red Wing 101 no longer made, made in USA.
> My sons all wear made in USA Red Wing or made in USA boots from Wesco.


I wear Redwing boots also. I work in a "blue collar" job, so they are the boot 
of choice for me. I refuse to sacrifice my comfort and safety for a few 
dollars. It's not worth it. They "may" make shoes for a business environment 
also. I do recall Dan P. posting that he had a steel toe pair for when he went 
on the floor of a manufacturing plant in Wisconsin when he worked there. Briggs 
& Stratton, or perhaps Tecumseh, I think. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

[dseretakis]

Well I guess I don't feel as much of an idiot then:)

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On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:30 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> Trying to nurse a battery beyond 7 years is somewhat like trying to nurse 
> that sticking/finiky master switch into turning when you need it most, isn't?
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "clay monroe" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
> 
> 
>> Not really.
>> 
>> The battery was probably on its last legs anyway.  Figure 5-7 year life for 
>> a battery.  Prorated warranty covers five years and the last two are gravy 
>> if it lives that long.   At least that is the life cycle I am getting out of 
>> my cars for the most part.  Eight years is a long in the tooth battery and 
>> ready for exchange.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:22 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>>> For the past month or so my battery hasn't been holding a charge very well. 
>>> It's 8 plus years old so I figured it was failing plus I had to use a 
>>> booster pack to start it up yesterday. So anyway, I bought a new battery 
>>> and installed it today.  I then drove up to Maine from Boston and at the 
>>> end of the trip noticed that the instrument cluster lights were dim. I then 
>>> noticed that the headlights were also dim. Duh, it's a failed alternator. 
>>> My old battery was probably just fine! Shoulda performed a load test! Time 
>>> to call the Q.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Rick Knoble]

On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:

> What do you dislike about the 75s Dan?


If the MB of that era are anything like domestic iron of that era, ugh. 
Emission controlled, breathless, hp choked, EPA restricted turds they were. 
IIRC the quickest domestic car in a 1/4 mile acceleration contest wasn't a car 
at all, it was a Dodge Lil' Red Wagon pickup truck in 1975, or '76. That is 
part of "the good old days" I do NOT miss. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 14" Tires (tahrs)?

[Rick Knoble]

On Jan 3, 2013, at 4:01 PM, "clay monroe"  wrote:

> When I enter the specific car data, the site comes back with no tire capable 
> of meeting the requirements.


Same here, so I look by size. My old Ranger takes 14's also. I put Firestones 
on it. They are okay. 

It seems 14 inch tires are being slowly phased out. I guess they don't use 
enough resources manufacturing them. We have too many natural resources. We 
need to use them up faster. /sarc. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Jaime Kopchinski]

The 5.0 didn't start til later, so if its a 75 its not a 5.0.

What do you dislike about the 75s Dan?  I might have just bought a 75
450SL.  It was too nice to say no, original owner just died, always
garaged, original paint, etc.  I was happy it didn't have ACC II, but I'll
have to deal with D-jet.

Jaime



On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> On Jan 3, 2013 4:02 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> >
> > No to mention that 1975 was
> > probably one of the worst years for
> > that chassis/motor.
> >
> >
>
> Not if it's really a 5.0 like the trunklid says.  (Gray-market factory
> special with lightweight body, aluminum engine.)
>
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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jan 3, 2013 4:02 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
>
> No to mention that 1975 was
> probably one of the worst years for
> that chassis/motor.
>
>

Not if it's really a 5.0 like the trunklid says.  (Gray-market factory
special with lightweight body, aluminum engine.)

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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Dan Penoff]

I used to buy brands like Florsheim and Bush/Nunn, which typically lasted me a 
year under normal wear in a business environment.  Maybe $100 for a good pair, 
less if I could find them on sale.

One of the things about A-Es that can't be quantified is that they never have 
to break in.  That is, they are comfortable from the first time you put them on 
- no breaking in, no sore back of the heels, etc., that you have with other 
shoes.  I don't know if it's the quality of materials or the way they are made, 
but this is one part of A-Es that I have never found in another brand of shoes.

Allen-Edmonds are made in Port Washington, WI, and Belgium, WI (little town up 
the road from Port Washington.)

Expense is relative.  If you take the example I gave on the other list, I have 
been wearing a shoe that cost me $300 over its life for over 20 years. Do that 
math.  It cost me $15/year.  For that I'll pay big $$ up front.

Dan


On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

> Lessee - Edmunds, Dan sez are made in USA.
> Where are the rest of these famous shoes made? Mephisto, Bates, Gucci?
> I wear Red Wing 101 no longer made, made in USA.
> My sons all wear made in USA Red Wing or made in USA boots from Wesco.
> Expensive must include enjoyment and lifespan.  Inexpensive becomes
> unaffordable in the end.  And, part of affordable includes people like
> me at work here in USA.  No walmartian here.  That place does not know
> the shadow I cast at their doors - nope!
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Re: [MBZ] 14" Tires (tahrs)?

[Fmiser]

> Mitch Haley wrote:

> Altimax RT in 98T - extra load rating
> are probably a good all around choice for $71 plus shipping
> for 205/70 tires.

I'm quite satisfied.  I'm on the second set on my wagon.  Since
I tend to load it, I wanted the extra load rating.  But I don't
feel I sacrificed to get the load rating.

Oh, and Mitch found them a few years ago when I was looking.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Mountain Man]

Lessee - Edmunds, Dan sez are made in USA.
Where are the rest of these famous shoes made? Mephisto, Bates, Gucci?
I wear Red Wing 101 no longer made, made in USA.
My sons all wear made in USA Red Wing or made in USA boots from Wesco.
Expensive must include enjoyment and lifespan.  Inexpensive becomes
unaffordable in the end.  And, part of affordable includes people like
me at work here in USA.  No walmartian here.  That place does not know
the shadow I cast at their doors - nope!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[buymbparts]

Chinese aftermarket that look exactly like the real thing. I have a set on my 
'91 560SEC and they balanced out just like Genuine as well. I have a very 
smooth ride and they look great. They come with lugs and center caps which 
Mercedes does not include at 4 times the price.


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-Original Message-
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sender: "Mercedes" 
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:13:02 
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

Factory or cheap aftermarket?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2013, at 8:43 AM, " Rusty Cullens"  wrote:

> I have the 15 hole 15" wheels new for $125.00 each plus shipping.
> 
> Rusty Cullens
> buyMBparts, Inc.
> 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
> Suite 260
> Atlanta, GA 30360
> 
> 800-741-5252
> 770-452-7320
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
> monroe
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades
> 
> I do too.  
> 
> I am in a bind over being able to source a tire that performs to the design
> specifications of the car.  I can put lower speed tires that fit the OEM
> rim, or upsize to rims that will fit current formulas of rubber.Tom @
> Classic center says to put lower grade rubber or purchase, from classic
> center at great cost, the 15 inch wheels used on the  560SL.  I have a
> budget of $600 to solve this puzzle
> 
> clay
> 
> On Jan 1, 2013, at 5:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> I think those wheels will look horrible!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 1, 2013, at 3:10 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
>> 
>>> Had a blow out on right rear, classic center says to use underwhelming
> tires on stock rims or upsize to a 15inch.  Both 14 & 15 inch are becoming
> harder to source so I looked at upsize x2, I still need good rubber for
> Froggy.  I was able to pick up some 8 hole 16 inch benz rims.  What does the
> group mind think I will have problems with?
>>> 
>>> 1150 is cast on the front side.
>>> 
>>> 7 1/2 Jx16H2
>>> 
>>> ET-96
>>> 
>>> PCD 112
>>> 
>>> Made in Italy
>>> 
>>> I looked at tire sizes to fit and came up with best seeming to be a
> 205/60/16 in H rated or V.  That would have minimal impact on speedo, which
> is far off anyway.  Are these wheels too fat to fit under the fender?  Any
> other issues I am missing?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[WILTON]

Gonna hafta let it go.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "clay monroe" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 6:03 PM
Subject: [MBZ] CL moron of the day



http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3515266521.html

Ostrich skin seats?  REALLY!!??

clay

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

[WILTON]

Trying to nurse a battery beyond 7 years is somewhat like trying to nurse 
that sticking/finiky master switch into turning when you need it most, 
isn't?


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "clay monroe" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.



Not really.

The battery was probably on its last legs anyway.  Figure 5-7 year life 
for a battery.  Prorated warranty covers five years and the last two are 
gravy if it lives that long.   At least that is the life cycle I am 
getting out of my cars for the most part.  Eight years is a long in the 
tooth battery and ready for exchange.





clay


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
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On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:22 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

For the past month or so my battery hasn't been holding a charge very 
well. It's 8 plus years old so I figured it was failing plus I had to use 
a booster pack to start it up yesterday. So anyway, I bought a new 
battery and installed it today.  I then drove up to Maine from Boston and 
at the end of the trip noticed that the instrument cluster lights were 
dim. I then noticed that the headlights were also dim. Duh, it's a failed 
alternator. My old battery was probably just fine! Shoulda performed a 
load test! Time to call the Q.


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Re: [MBZ] Was: "The Star" back issue Now: '68 250S

[Peter Frederick]

Southern Indiana.  Car still drives, might need a charge on the  
battery by now.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Factory or cheap aftermarket?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2013, at 8:43 AM, " Rusty Cullens"  wrote:

> I have the 15 hole 15" wheels new for $125.00 each plus shipping.
> 
> Rusty Cullens
> buyMBparts, Inc.
> 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
> Suite 260
> Atlanta, GA 30360
> 
> 800-741-5252
> 770-452-7320
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
> monroe
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades
> 
> I do too.  
> 
> I am in a bind over being able to source a tire that performs to the design
> specifications of the car.  I can put lower speed tires that fit the OEM
> rim, or upsize to rims that will fit current formulas of rubber.Tom @
> Classic center says to put lower grade rubber or purchase, from classic
> center at great cost, the 15 inch wheels used on the  560SL.  I have a
> budget of $600 to solve this puzzle
> 
> clay
> 
> On Jan 1, 2013, at 5:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> I think those wheels will look horrible!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 1, 2013, at 3:10 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
>> 
>>> Had a blow out on right rear, classic center says to use underwhelming
> tires on stock rims or upsize to a 15inch.  Both 14 & 15 inch are becoming
> harder to source so I looked at upsize x2, I still need good rubber for
> Froggy.  I was able to pick up some 8 hole 16 inch benz rims.  What does the
> group mind think I will have problems with?
>>> 
>>> 1150 is cast on the front side.
>>> 
>>> 7 1/2 Jx16H2
>>> 
>>> ET-96
>>> 
>>> PCD 112
>>> 
>>> Made in Italy
>>> 
>>> I looked at tire sizes to fit and came up with best seeming to be a
> 205/60/16 in H rated or V.  That would have minimal impact on speedo, which
> is far off anyway.  Are these wheels too fat to fit under the fender?  Any
> other issues I am missing?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Dan Penoff]

No to mention that 1975 was probably one of the worst years for that 
chassis/motor.

Dan


On Jan 3, 2013, at 6:59 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> On Jan 3, 2013 3:03 PM, "clay monroe"  wrote:
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3515266521.html
>> 
> 
> If it's really what the trunklid says it is, it was worth more before the
> "restoration."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jan 3, 2013 3:03 PM, "clay monroe"  wrote:
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3515266521.html
>

If it's really what the trunklid says it is, it was worth more before the
"restoration."

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

[Craig]

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:22:01 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Time to call the Q.

Yup, 1-800-741-5252.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[Jaime Kopchinski]

I bought a set of the 15" wheels Tom talks about... they're very nice.  I
think I paid something like $75 each from my local guy.  The wheels are
easy, the hub caps are whats hard to find.

I'm not sure what I'm going to put them on... maybe my 83 300D in the
spring.

Jaime



On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:34 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> Thank you for the offer.
>
> Tom Hanson makes mention that there are 15 inch steel wheels that take hub
> caps.  I want to keep the hub cap look, but have trepidation about
> investing good cash in rims that will have obsolete tire sizes in a few
> years.  I can buy obsolete tires now for big cash or spend reasonable cash
> on a larger size tire on a more modern wheel
>
> clay
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2013, at 6:43 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:
>
> > I have the 15 hole 15" wheels new for $125.00 each plus shipping.
> >
> > Rusty Cullens
> > buyMBparts, Inc.
> > 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
> > Suite 260
> > Atlanta, GA 30360
> >
> > 800-741-5252
> > 770-452-7320
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
> > monroe
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:43 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades
> >
> > I do too.
> >
> > I am in a bind over being able to source a tire that performs to the
> design
> > specifications of the car.  I can put lower speed tires that fit the OEM
> > rim, or upsize to rims that will fit current formulas of rubber.Tom @
> > Classic center says to put lower grade rubber or purchase, from classic
> > center at great cost, the 15 inch wheels used on the  560SL.  I have a
> > budget of $600 to solve this puzzle
> >
> > clay
> >
> > On Jan 1, 2013, at 5:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> I think those wheels will look horrible!
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jan 1, 2013, at 3:10 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Had a blow out on right rear, classic center says to use underwhelming
> > tires on stock rims or upsize to a 15inch.  Both 14 & 15 inch are
> becoming
> > harder to source so I looked at upsize x2, I still need good rubber for
> > Froggy.  I was able to pick up some 8 hole 16 inch benz rims.  What does
> the
> > group mind think I will have problems with?
> >>>
> >>> 1150 is cast on the front side.
> >>>
> >>> 7 1/2 Jx16H2
> >>>
> >>> ET-96
> >>>
> >>> PCD 112
> >>>
> >>> Made in Italy
> >>>
> >>> I looked at tire sizes to fit and came up with best seeming to be a
> > 205/60/16 in H rated or V.  That would have minimal impact on speedo,
> which
> > is far off anyway.  Are these wheels too fat to fit under the fender?
>  Any
> > other issues I am missing?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Brian Toscano]

No experience or knowledge of them.

For sandals or flip flop hybrids I go with Chacos.  I got 4-5 years out of
the last pair wearing them all summer long and using them for hiking, etc.
 Very comfortable.


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Mephisto Flip Flop
>
> --R
>
>
> On 1/3/13 5:29 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>> No, I only waltz in flip flops.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Do you ever waltz in them?
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/3/13 2:12 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>>>
>>>  I've enjoyed my Mephistos.


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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[Craig]

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:28:15 -0500 " Rusty Cullens" 
wrote:

>> Craig wrote:
>>
>> What about 210 204 06 02?
>
> What is that?
>
> Rusty Cullens

Well, I THOUGHT that was the number of the rims we now have on our
'95 E320.

I went out and checked and saw that the number actually is
210 401 06 02, the same number Mitch inquired about.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Rich Thomas]

Mephisto Flip Flop

--R

On 1/3/13 5:29 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

No, I only waltz in flip flops.


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


Do you ever waltz in them?

--R


On 1/3/13 2:12 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:


I've enjoyed my Mephistos.



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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

[Rich Thomas]

It would have crapped out in a cold spell anyway, now you (will) have 
both new.


--R

On 1/3/13 6:22 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

For the past month or so my battery hasn't been holding a charge very well. 
It's 8 plus years old so I figured it was failing plus I had to use a booster 
pack to start it up yesterday. So anyway, I bought a new battery and installed 
it today.  I then drove up to Maine from Boston and at the end of the trip 
noticed that the instrument cluster lights were dim. I then noticed that the 
headlights were also dim. Duh, it's a failed alternator. My old battery was 
probably just fine! Shoulda performed a load test! Time to call the Q.

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

[clay monroe]

Not really.

The battery was probably on its last legs anyway.  Figure 5-7 year life for a 
battery.  Prorated warranty covers five years and the last two are gravy if it 
lives that long.   At least that is the life cycle I am getting out of my cars 
for the most part.  Eight years is a long in the tooth battery and ready for 
exchange.




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On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:22 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> For the past month or so my battery hasn't been holding a charge very well. 
> It's 8 plus years old so I figured it was failing plus I had to use a booster 
> pack to start it up yesterday. So anyway, I bought a new battery and 
> installed it today.  I then drove up to Maine from Boston and at the end of 
> the trip noticed that the instrument cluster lights were dim. I then noticed 
> that the headlights were also dim. Duh, it's a failed alternator. My old 
> battery was probably just fine! Shoulda performed a load test! Time to call 
> the Q.
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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[Jon Agne]

OK.hook set, how $$$?


On Jan 3, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

> There are still 15" bundts too. But very expensive.
> 
> Rusty Cullens
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> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
> monroe
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:34 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades
> 
> Thank you for the offer.
> 
> Tom Hanson makes mention that there are 15 inch steel wheels that take hub
> caps.  I want to keep the hub cap look, but have trepidation about investing
> good cash in rims that will have obsolete tire sizes in a few years.  I can
> buy obsolete tires now for big cash or spend reasonable cash on a larger
> size tire on a more modern wheel
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2013, at 6:43 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:
> 
>> I have the 15 hole 15" wheels new for $125.00 each plus shipping.
>> 
>> Rusty Cullens
>> buyMBparts, Inc.
>> 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
>> Suite 260
>> Atlanta, GA 30360
>> 
>> 800-741-5252
>> 770-452-7320
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
>> clay monroe
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:43 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades
>> 
>> I do too.  
>> 
>> I am in a bind over being able to source a tire that performs to the 
>> design specifications of the car.  I can put lower speed tires that fit
> the OEM
>> rim, or upsize to rims that will fit current formulas of rubber.Tom @
>> Classic center says to put lower grade rubber or purchase, from 
>> classic center at great cost, the 15 inch wheels used on the  560SL.  
>> I have a budget of $600 to solve this puzzle
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> On Jan 1, 2013, at 5:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I think those wheels will look horrible!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2013, at 3:10 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
>>> 
 Had a blow out on right rear, classic center says to use 
 underwhelming
>> tires on stock rims or upsize to a 15inch.  Both 14 & 15 inch are 
>> becoming harder to source so I looked at upsize x2, I still need good 
>> rubber for Froggy.  I was able to pick up some 8 hole 16 inch benz 
>> rims.  What does the group mind think I will have problems with?
 
 1150 is cast on the front side.
 
 7 1/2 Jx16H2
 
 ET-96
 
 PCD 112
 
 Made in Italy
 
 I looked at tire sizes to fit and came up with best seeming to be a
>> 205/60/16 in H rated or V.  That would have minimal impact on speedo, 
>> which is far off anyway.  Are these wheels too fat to fit under the 
>> fender?  Any other issues I am missing?
 
 
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[MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

[dseretakis]

For the past month or so my battery hasn't been holding a charge very well. 
It's 8 plus years old so I figured it was failing plus I had to use a booster 
pack to start it up yesterday. So anyway, I bought a new battery and installed 
it today.  I then drove up to Maine from Boston and at the end of the trip 
noticed that the instrument cluster lights were dim. I then noticed that the 
headlights were also dim. Duh, it's a failed alternator. My old battery was 
probably just fine! Shoulda performed a load test! Time to call the Q.

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Re: [MBZ] CL moron of the day

[Chris James]

"IF this the car for you please dnt respond please and thank you."

???

On 1/3/2013 6:03 PM, clay monroe wrote:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3515266521.html

Ostrich skin seats?  REALLY!!??



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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[clay monroe]

Not a one.

Maybe the CDI engines but probably not until you get to blue tech.  The cars 
are pretty forgettable in design and reliability.  When they divested from 
Chrysler, the quality began to increase to the point it was worth investing in 
a benz once more.  Sadly, they remain nothing special to look at.

We like the older ones because we recall seeing them when younger or lusting 
after them as young adults.  Maybe a parent or grandparent had one and we have 
fond memories.  If we think of older folks in a benz now, it is not going to be 
a diesel and having not spread the diesel engine throughout the line, you do 
not have the depth of models to chose from.  All the benz from that period are 
E class.  The 210 was just ugly

clay



On Jan 3, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> I wonder which of the Mercedes diesel models built between, say, 1995 and 
> 2005 will become as legendary as the 240Ds and the 300Ds; and last 30 to 44 
> years?
> Gerry
> 
> From: " Rusty Cullens" 
>> My 280SEL is only a 44 year old car. Still a baby. But she gets me to work
>> and home every day.
>> 
>> Rusty Cullens
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>> Suite 260
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>> 
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>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Dieselhead
>> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:27 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair
>> 
>>> Why else would so many hang on
>>> > to 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.
>>> 
>>> Indeed! Our newest automobile is 17-18 years old. Some of us have 30
>>> year and more old Mercedes.
>>> ...
>>> The shoe trees I have were a Christmas present 44 years ago.
>>> 
>>> Craig
>> 
>> 
>> I have a car that turned 40 in 2006.  My son has one too.   Daughter
>> drives a car as old as she is, and she graduated from HS almost 10 years
>> ago.
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[MBZ] CL moron of the day

[clay monroe]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3515266521.html

Ostrich skin seats?  REALLY!!??

clay

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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting

[Max Dillon]

Marshall Booth used to say that the best compression check was the ability to 
start in cold weather.  In other words, compression is not a problem for your 
car, you've just proved that by test.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
'73 Balboa 20

dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

>My car started this am in 5 degree temps!  Kinda surprised considering the all 
>over the place compression readings this September.
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Brian Toscano]

No, I only waltz in flip flops.


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Do you ever waltz in them?
>
> --R
>
>
> On 1/3/13 2:12 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>> I've enjoyed my Mephistos.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Gerry Archer]

Tch!  We Walmart shoppers wouldn't be caught dead in a K-mart.  Have you 
seen our "I'm a Walmartian" tee shirts?

Gerry

From: " Rusty Cullens" 

I like the rubber thong flip flops for $185.00 you can get at K-Mart for
$2.95

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Archer
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair




From: dsn...@mtsqh.com

I get the feeling a lot of us on this list appreciate quality products
even if they cost more but last longer. Why else would so many hang on
to 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.  I wear dress shoes everyday and have
finally > discovered that more expensive shoes are worth it. But, with
leather soles they wear out. I just dropped off my favorite Cole Haan
shoes for soles and heels it was $65. That seems steep. But, they were
the most >expensive and most comfortable dress shoes I have ever had.
I went ahead and had them do it.


Anyone have other

suggestions for great well made dress shoes that are worth repairing
and keeping for years?  I want some Allen Edmonds, but I'm not willing
to pay $350 for them at least not yet!

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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Gerry Archer]

I wonder which of the Mercedes diesel models built between, say, 1995 and 
2005 will become as legendary as the 240Ds and the 300Ds; and last 30 to 44 
years?

Gerry

From: " Rusty Cullens" 

My 280SEL is only a 44 year old car. Still a baby. But she gets me to work
and home every day.

Rusty Cullens
buyMBparts, Inc.
6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
Suite 260
Atlanta, GA 30360

800-741-5252
770-452-7320

-Original Message-
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Dieselhead
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair


 Why else would so many hang on
 > to 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.

Indeed! Our newest automobile is 17-18 years old. Some of us have 30
year and more old Mercedes.
...
The shoe trees I have were a Christmas present 44 years ago.

Craig



I have a car that turned 40 in 2006.  My son has one too.   Daughter
drives a car as old as she is, and she graduated from HS almost 10 years
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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[clay monroe]

I am pretty sure you can find all sorts of tire from any diameter, the trick is 
to find them with the performance speed ratings needed.  The smaller wheel cars 
of the past decade are probably going to be fine with an S rated tire, which is 
about the best I can find for the 14".  Not good enough for the application I 
have.  SO, you would have to look for expensive vintage/classic tires to keep a 
20 year old car rolling.

Most of the little toyota or honda cars with small wheels are not expected to 
stay out of the pull a part after 20 years on the road.

clay


On Jan 3, 2013, at 2:14 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> clay monroe wrote:
>> have trepidation about investing good cash in rims that will have obsolete 
>> tire sizes in a few years. 
> 
> I would hope that 205-65-15 will still be common in 2015-2020, but can make 
> no guarantees about the future.
> Plenty of 'small' cars came with 15" in 2005 when I was last looking at new 
> cars.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[clay monroe]

I am a cheap SOB, so not ready to put good cash out the door for bigger wheels 
and then more rubber.  Bundts could probably be found used that I can refurb if 
I want to wait.   New rims are too far out of budget and the compromise of 
bucket of cash to make the car look wrong versus bucket of cash to keep it 
original are what I am facing today.


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On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

> There are still 15" bundts too. But very expensive.
> 
> Rusty Cullens
> buyMBparts, Inc.
> 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
> Suite 260
> Atlanta, GA 30360
> 
> 800-741-5252
> 770-452-7320
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
> monroe
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:34 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades
> 
> Thank you for the offer.
> 
> Tom Hanson makes mention that there are 15 inch steel wheels that take hub
> caps.  I want to keep the hub cap look, but have trepidation about investing
> good cash in rims that will have obsolete tire sizes in a few years.  I can
> buy obsolete tires now for big cash or spend reasonable cash on a larger
> size tire on a more modern wheel
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2013, at 6:43 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:
> 
>> I have the 15 hole 15" wheels new for $125.00 each plus shipping.
>> 
>> Rusty Cullens
>> buyMBparts, Inc.
>> 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
>> Suite 260
>> Atlanta, GA 30360
>> 
>> 800-741-5252
>> 770-452-7320
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
>> clay monroe
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:43 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades
>> 
>> I do too.  
>> 
>> I am in a bind over being able to source a tire that performs to the 
>> design specifications of the car.  I can put lower speed tires that fit
> the OEM
>> rim, or upsize to rims that will fit current formulas of rubber.Tom @
>> Classic center says to put lower grade rubber or purchase, from 
>> classic center at great cost, the 15 inch wheels used on the  560SL.  
>> I have a budget of $600 to solve this puzzle
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> On Jan 1, 2013, at 5:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I think those wheels will look horrible!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2013, at 3:10 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
>>> 
 Had a blow out on right rear, classic center says to use 
 underwhelming
>> tires on stock rims or upsize to a 15inch.  Both 14 & 15 inch are 
>> becoming harder to source so I looked at upsize x2, I still need good 
>> rubber for Froggy.  I was able to pick up some 8 hole 16 inch benz 
>> rims.  What does the group mind think I will have problems with?
 
 1150 is cast on the front side.
 
 7 1/2 Jx16H2
 
 ET-96
 
 PCD 112
 
 Made in Italy
 
 I looked at tire sizes to fit and came up with best seeming to be a
>> 205/60/16 in H rated or V.  That would have minimal impact on speedo, 
>> which is far off anyway.  Are these wheels too fat to fit under the 
>> fender?  Any other issues I am missing?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 14" Tires (tahrs)?

[clay monroe]

When I enter the specific car data, the site comes back with no tire capable of 
meeting the requirements.  Special order, but the Discount boys are not 
stocking appropriate rubber online.   Not even in Plus 2

clay


On Jan 3, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> Discount Tires has Michelin Destiny and Kumho Solus in 14 inch. These are not 
> adequate for your application? They work fine for me. The Michelins are a bit 
> better. 
> 
> Right now the Michelin Defender is the only tire they have in stock for my 
> 123's. Seems adequate though. 
> 
> http://m.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireDetail.do?c=7&rcz=46368&ar=70&rf=true&rd=14&rc=INPINT&cs=205&dVeh=dVeh&ra=searchTiresByVehicleAndSize.do&tc=MMIPA1&yr=1985&pc=34286&vid=000686&sw=false
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Rusty Cullens]

I like the rubber thong flip flops for $185.00 you can get at K-Mart for
$2.95

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-Original Message-
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Archer
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair



>> From: dsn...@mtsqh.com
> I get the feeling a lot of us on this list appreciate quality products 
> even if they cost more but last longer. Why else would so many hang on 
> to 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.  I wear dress shoes everyday and have 
> finally > discovered that more expensive shoes are worth it. But, with 
> leather soles they wear out. I just dropped off my favorite Cole Haan 
> shoes for soles and heels it was $65. That seems steep. But, they were 
> the most >expensive and most comfortable dress shoes I have ever had. 
> I went ahead and had them do it.
>>
>> Anyone have other
> suggestions for great well made dress shoes that are worth repairing 
> and keeping for years?  I want some Allen Edmonds, but I'm not willing 
> to pay $350 for them at least not yet!
---
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Rusty Cullens]

My 280SEL is only a 44 year old car. Still a baby. But she gets me to work
and home every day.

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-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
Dieselhead
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:27 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

>  Why else would so many hang on
>  > to 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.
>
>Indeed! Our newest automobile is 17-18 years old. Some of us have 30 
>year and more old Mercedes.
>...
>The shoe trees I have were a Christmas present 44 years ago.
>
>Craig


I have a car that turned 40 in 2006.  My son has one too.   Daughter 
drives a car as old as she is, and she graduated from HS almost 10 years
ago.

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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Gerry Archer]

From: dsn...@mtsqh.com

I get the feeling a lot of us on this list appreciate quality products
even if they cost more but last longer. Why else would so many hang on
to 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.  I wear dress shoes everyday and have
finally > discovered that more expensive shoes are worth it. But, with
leather soles they wear out. I just dropped off my favorite Cole Haan
shoes for soles and heels it was $65. That seems steep. But, they were
the most >expensive and most comfortable dress shoes I have ever had. I
went ahead and had them do it.


Anyone have other

suggestions for great well made dress shoes that are worth repairing and
keeping for years?  I want some Allen Edmonds, but I'm not willing to
pay $350 for them at least not yet!

---
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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[Mitch Haley]

clay monroe wrote:
 have trepidation about investing good cash in rims that will have obsolete tire sizes in a few years. 


I would hope that 205-65-15 will still be common in 2015-2020, but can make no 
guarantees about the future.

Plenty of 'small' cars came with 15" in 2005 when I was last looking at new 
cars.
Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[Rusty Cullens]

There are still 15" bundts too. But very expensive.

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-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
monroe
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

Thank you for the offer.

Tom Hanson makes mention that there are 15 inch steel wheels that take hub
caps.  I want to keep the hub cap look, but have trepidation about investing
good cash in rims that will have obsolete tire sizes in a few years.  I can
buy obsolete tires now for big cash or spend reasonable cash on a larger
size tire on a more modern wheel

clay


On Jan 3, 2013, at 6:43 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

> I have the 15 hole 15" wheels new for $125.00 each plus shipping.
> 
> Rusty Cullens
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> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
> clay monroe
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades
> 
> I do too.  
> 
> I am in a bind over being able to source a tire that performs to the 
> design specifications of the car.  I can put lower speed tires that fit
the OEM
> rim, or upsize to rims that will fit current formulas of rubber.Tom @
> Classic center says to put lower grade rubber or purchase, from 
> classic center at great cost, the 15 inch wheels used on the  560SL.  
> I have a budget of $600 to solve this puzzle
> 
> clay
> 
> On Jan 1, 2013, at 5:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> I think those wheels will look horrible!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 1, 2013, at 3:10 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
>> 
>>> Had a blow out on right rear, classic center says to use 
>>> underwhelming
> tires on stock rims or upsize to a 15inch.  Both 14 & 15 inch are 
> becoming harder to source so I looked at upsize x2, I still need good 
> rubber for Froggy.  I was able to pick up some 8 hole 16 inch benz 
> rims.  What does the group mind think I will have problems with?
>>> 
>>> 1150 is cast on the front side.
>>> 
>>> 7 1/2 Jx16H2
>>> 
>>> ET-96
>>> 
>>> PCD 112
>>> 
>>> Made in Italy
>>> 
>>> I looked at tire sizes to fit and came up with best seeming to be a
> 205/60/16 in H rated or V.  That would have minimal impact on speedo, 
> which is far off anyway.  Are these wheels too fat to fit under the 
> fender?  Any other issues I am missing?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[clay monroe]

Thank you for the offer.

Tom Hanson makes mention that there are 15 inch steel wheels that take hub 
caps.  I want to keep the hub cap look, but have trepidation about investing 
good cash in rims that will have obsolete tire sizes in a few years.  I can buy 
obsolete tires now for big cash or spend reasonable cash on a larger size tire 
on a more modern wheel

clay


On Jan 3, 2013, at 6:43 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

> I have the 15 hole 15" wheels new for $125.00 each plus shipping.
> 
> Rusty Cullens
> buyMBparts, Inc.
> 6755 Peachtree Industrial Blvd.
> Suite 260
> Atlanta, GA 30360
> 
> 800-741-5252
> 770-452-7320
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
> monroe
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades
> 
> I do too.  
> 
> I am in a bind over being able to source a tire that performs to the design
> specifications of the car.  I can put lower speed tires that fit the OEM
> rim, or upsize to rims that will fit current formulas of rubber.Tom @
> Classic center says to put lower grade rubber or purchase, from classic
> center at great cost, the 15 inch wheels used on the  560SL.  I have a
> budget of $600 to solve this puzzle
> 
> clay
> 
> On Jan 1, 2013, at 5:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> I think those wheels will look horrible!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 1, 2013, at 3:10 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
>> 
>>> Had a blow out on right rear, classic center says to use underwhelming
> tires on stock rims or upsize to a 15inch.  Both 14 & 15 inch are becoming
> harder to source so I looked at upsize x2, I still need good rubber for
> Froggy.  I was able to pick up some 8 hole 16 inch benz rims.  What does the
> group mind think I will have problems with?
>>> 
>>> 1150 is cast on the front side.
>>> 
>>> 7 1/2 Jx16H2
>>> 
>>> ET-96
>>> 
>>> PCD 112
>>> 
>>> Made in Italy
>>> 
>>> I looked at tire sizes to fit and came up with best seeming to be a
> 205/60/16 in H rated or V.  That would have minimal impact on speedo, which
> is far off anyway.  Are these wheels too fat to fit under the fender?  Any
> other issues I am missing?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Dieselhead]

 Why else would so many hang on
 > to 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.

Indeed! Our newest automobile is 17-18 years old. Some of us have 30 year
and more old Mercedes.
...
The shoe trees I have were a Christmas present 44 years ago.

Craig



I have a car that turned 40 in 2006.  My son has one too.   Daughter 
drives a car as old as she is, and she graduated from HS almost 10 
years ago.


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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting

[dseretakis]

82 240D.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:20:26 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> My car started this am in 5 degree temps!  Kinda surprised considering
>> the all over the place compression readings this September.
> 
> That says the compression must be pretty good. What car is it?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Rich Thomas]

Do you ever waltz in them?

--R

On 1/3/13 2:12 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

I've enjoyed my Mephistos.



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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[Mitch Haley]

I couldn't make sense of that number, or any number with 204 as the 4th-6th 
digits.

Mitch.

PS, does Craig want that 2126i?

 Rusty Cullens wrote:

What is that?

What about 210 204 06 02?


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] 14" Tires (tahrs)?

[Mitch Haley]

Rick Knoble wrote:
Discount Tires has Michelin Destiny and Kumho Solus in 14 inch. These are not adequate for your application? They work fine for me. The Michelins are a bit better. 


Tire rack has a lot of tires in 185/70-14 and 195/70-14, but only five in 
205/70-14. All the tires they sell in those sizes are Q (snow), S and T speed 
rated. I was rather surprised they had nothing in H rating.
Altimax RT in 98T - extra load rating are probably a good all around choice for 
$71 plus shipping for 205/70 tires.



However, stepping up to late W126 wheels and 205/65-15 tires finds 55 models 
available, at prices starting at $63 for Fuzion H rated touring tires.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?customSizeSearch=&width=205%2F&ratio=65&diameter=15

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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[Rusty Cullens]

What is that?


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-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:26 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:10:42 -0500 " Rusty Cullens" 
wrote:

> $300.00 new. :(
> 
> Mitch wrote:
> What about 2104010602?
> I didn't even think of new, perhaps foolishly, when I bought one for 
> $70 last month.

What about 210 204 06 02?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Craig]

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:12:32 -0700 Brian Toscano 
wrote:

> I've enjoyed my Mephistos.  My advise is to get quality repairs when
> needed. 

Aye, and there's the rub! How do you know who does quality repairs before
you have them repair your shoes?


> In my case they last longer than several pairs of cheaper shoes
> before they need any repairs.  I was not happy with their sandals but
> the shoes have been fine.

That's good to know. I checked out the Bates on the website Rick
mentioned and found they are $114.95, while the Mephisto Abels are
$429.95. For right now, being unemployed, I think I'll stick with the
Bates -- they are used but like new.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Dan Penoff]

Two words:  Allen Edmonds.

My Dad was an A-E guy all of his life, and I often hassled him about his 
expensive shoes.  I grew up and got smart.

The trick is to not buy them at list, but wait for the sales.  Get on their 
online mailing list.  They had several online sales in the past month, which 
are now expired.  Find one of their retailers in your area and get fitted so 
you know your size - this saves a lot of hassles with having to guess and 
return shoes purchased online.

I wouldn't even have a lot of qualms about buying them at list.  Here's why:

I have 6-7 pairs of A-E shoes in my closet right now.  I have two more that 
they refused to recraft, mainly because of their age.  Of the pairs I still 
wear, the NEWEST pair was purchased in 1996, with the others ranging in age all 
the way back to 1991-2 or thereabouts.

I had the privilege of living in Port Washington, WI, where A-Es are made.  If 
you're lucky enough to be in the area, the first week of July is their "tent 
sale".  This is the annual meeting for their salespeople, and they put up a 
huge tent in front of the plant where they sell discontinued and factory 
seconds at as much as 50% off.  The salespeople staff the tent, so every person 
you speak to knows the shoes better than any retail store clerk will.

The sales people will often point out why a particular shoe is a second, and 
believe me, the stuff they showed me was imperceptible to me and probably every 
other person who looked at them.

Most of my shoes have been recrafted at least once, which costs around $100 
depending on the package you choose.

I can take a pair of brown tasseled wingtips I bought in 1994 for around $200 
(a $400 shoe new) and add in the recrafting I had done around 2001 and I have a 
shoe that cost me $300 that has lasted close to 20 years (and is still going.)

I do want some new black loafers and maybe another brown shoe, so I am planning 
on making a trip to Port Washington in July.  As far as I'm concerned, it's 
money well spent.

On a related note, one of the finest shoe repair guys in the nation is about 40 
minutes away from me in Lakeland, FL.  He recrafted one of my pairs of A-Es for 
the same price and did a fantastic job.  I highly recommend him for any serious 
shoe repair.

http://www.mcfarlandsshoerepair.net/

Dan


On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Donald Snook wrote:

> I get the feeling a lot of us on this list appreciate quality products even 
> if they cost more but last longer. Why else would so many hang on to 10 or 20 
> year old Mercedes.  I wear dress shoes everyday and have finally discovered 
> that more expensive shoes are worth it. But, with leather soles they wear 
> out. I just dropped off my favorite Cole Haan shoes for soles and heels it 
> was $65. That seems steep. But, they were the most expensive and most 
> comfortable dress shoes I have ever had. I went ahead and had them do it. 
> 
> Anyone have other suggestions for great well made dress shoes that are worth 
> repairing and keeping for years?  I want some Allen Edmonds, but I'm not 
> willing to pay $350 for them at least not yet! 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Mitch

[Fmiser]

> > Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> > How's the AWD S210 dealing with the winter roads up north?

> Mitch Haley wrote:

> I've found that my new tires on the back break loose first
> under throttle application in snow,

> Maybe there's less
> weight in the back, causing the back to spin first under
> throttle?

I would expect there to be a strong bias of power to the back
wheel when accelerating.  If it can dynamically change the
bias...

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Brian Toscano]

I've enjoyed my Mephistos.  My advise is to get quality repairs when
needed.  In my case they last longer than several pairs of cheaper shoes
before they need any repairs.  I was not happy with their sandals but the
shoes have been fine.

On Thursday, January 3, 2013, Craig wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:09:36 -0600 Donald Snook 
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I get the feeling a lot of us on this list appreciate quality products
> > even if they cost more but last longer. Why else would so many hang on
> > to 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.
>
> Indeed! Our newest automobile is 17-18 years old. Some of us have 30 year
> and more old Mercedes.
>
>
> > I wear dress shoes everyday and have finally discovered that more
> > expensive shoes are worth it.
>
> From the subject, I thought you were talking about shoes for our cars!
> Silly me.
>
>
> > Anyone have other suggestions for great well made dress shoes that are
> > worth repairing and keeping for years?  I want some Allen Edmonds, but
> > I'm not willing to pay $350 for them at least not yet!
>
> I have a pair of Florsheims I have had for 24 years, though I do not wear
> them every day. I took them to a shoe repair place in Santa Fe a couple
> of years ago. That place restitched some of the seams and then resoled
> them. Unfortunately, in trimming the sole to the size of the shoe, they
> ground off too much on one of the shoes and the stitching on the toe is
> already wearing through. With that and the stitching on the top of the
> shoes failing, I may not have them repaired again.
>
> I was given a pair of Bates Uniform Footware shoes and am considering
> using them as my dress shoes. I just have to figure out how to sterilize
> them before I start wearing them (not knowing if the fellow from whom I
> got them had problems with Athlete's foot).
>
> The shoe trees I have were a Christmas present 44 years ago.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[G Mann]

My suggestion. If you have found a competent cobbler, in todays
marketplace, give him a huge tip, adopt him/her as your long lost child,
and NEVER let them move away or retire.

Well built shoes are becoming more rare every day. People to repair them
properly and keep them well built are even more rare.

Good Luck !!

Grant..
Who walks on his feet still most days.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:

> I get the feeling a lot of us on this list appreciate quality products
> even if they cost more but last longer. Why else would so many hang on to
> 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.  I wear dress shoes everyday and have finally
> discovered that more expensive shoes are worth it. But, with leather soles
> they wear out. I just dropped off my favorite Cole Haan shoes for soles and
> heels it was $65. That seems steep. But, they were the most expensive and
> most comfortable dress shoes I have ever had. I went ahead and had them do
> it.
>
> Anyone have other suggestions for great well made dress shoes that are
> worth repairing and keeping for years?  I want some Allen Edmonds, but I'm
> not willing to pay $350 for them at least not yet!
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Rick Knoble]

> From: dsn...@mtsqh.com
> To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:09:36 -0600
> Subject: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair
> 
>
 I get the feeling a lot of us on this list appreciate quality products 
even if they cost more but last longer. Why else would so many hang on 
to 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.  I wear dress shoes everyday and have 
finally > discovered that more expensive shoes are worth it. But, with 
leather soles they wear out. I just dropped off my favorite Cole Haan 
shoes for soles and heels it was $65. That seems steep. But, they were 
the most >expensive and most comfortable dress shoes I have ever had. I 
went ahead and had them do it. 
> 
> Anyone have other 
suggestions for great well made dress shoes that are worth repairing and
 keeping for years?  I want some Allen Edmonds, but I'm not willing to 
pay $350 for them at least not yet! 


Lt. Don had a FB post the other day on some shoes he bought second hand. I 
don't think they are dress shoes, but the manufacturer may make some.
"Going to start breaking in a new pair of shoes
 tomorrow. My wife got them for $25 from a friend of hers, who was 
selling them for her son. Never been worn. Pretty heavy but seem to be 
well constructed and should last a while. Since I'd never heard of the 
brand (Mephisto) did a little research. Found the exact shoe. Looks like
 I saved about $400." 
 
 http://www.shoebuy.com/mephisto-abel/117186
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Craig]

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:09:36 -0600 Donald Snook  wrote:

> I get the feeling a lot of us on this list appreciate quality products
> even if they cost more but last longer. Why else would so many hang on
> to 10 or 20 year old Mercedes.

Indeed! Our newest automobile is 17-18 years old. Some of us have 30 year
and more old Mercedes.


> I wear dress shoes everyday and have finally discovered that more
> expensive shoes are worth it.

>From the subject, I thought you were talking about shoes for our cars!
Silly me.


> Anyone have other suggestions for great well made dress shoes that are
> worth repairing and keeping for years?  I want some Allen Edmonds, but
> I'm not willing to pay $350 for them at least not yet! 

I have a pair of Florsheims I have had for 24 years, though I do not wear
them every day. I took them to a shoe repair place in Santa Fe a couple
of years ago. That place restitched some of the seams and then resoled
them. Unfortunately, in trimming the sole to the size of the shoe, they
ground off too much on one of the shoes and the stitching on the toe is
already wearing through. With that and the stitching on the top of the
shoes failing, I may not have them repaired again.

I was given a pair of Bates Uniform Footware shoes and am considering
using them as my dress shoes. I just have to figure out how to sterilize
them before I start wearing them (not knowing if the fellow from whom I
got them had problems with Athlete's foot).

The shoe trees I have were a Christmas present 44 years ago.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cold starting

[Craig]

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:20:26 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> My car started this am in 5 degree temps!  Kinda surprised considering
> the all over the place compression readings this September.

That says the compression must be pretty good. What car is it?


Craig

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[MBZ] Cold starting

[dseretakis]

My car started this am in 5 degree temps!  Kinda surprised considering the all 
over the place compression readings this September.

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[MBZ] OT shoes and repair

[Donald Snook]

I get the feeling a lot of us on this list appreciate quality products even if 
they cost more but last longer. Why else would so many hang on to 10 or 20 year 
old Mercedes.  I wear dress shoes everyday and have finally discovered that 
more expensive shoes are worth it. But, with leather soles they wear out. I 
just dropped off my favorite Cole Haan shoes for soles and heels it was $65. 
That seems steep. But, they were the most expensive and most comfortable dress 
shoes I have ever had. I went ahead and had them do it. 

Anyone have other suggestions for great well made dress shoes that are worth 
repairing and keeping for years?  I want some Allen Edmonds, but I'm not 
willing to pay $350 for them at least not yet! 

Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] 14" Tires (tahrs)?

[Jon Agne]

Defender is the replacement for the Harmony.  I replaced the Pirelli's on my 
123 with Harmony's, and I LOVE them.  


On Jan 3, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> Discount Tires has Michelin Destiny and Kumho Solus in 14 inch. These are not 
> adequate for your application? They work fine for me. The Michelins are a bit 
> better. 
> 
> Right now the Michelin Defender is the only tire they have in stock for my 
> 123's. Seems adequate though. 
> 
> http://m.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireDetail.do?c=7&rcz=46368&ar=70&rf=true&rd=14&rc=INPINT&cs=205&dVeh=dVeh&ra=searchTiresByVehicleAndSize.do&tc=MMIPA1&yr=1985&pc=34286&vid=000686&sw=false
> 
> Rick
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[MBZ] Rust in peace: Haunting pictures of the Belgian 'car graveyard'

[Rich Thomas]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2256470/Haunting-pictures-Belgian-car-graveyard-US-soldiers-hid-beautiful-vintage-motors-WWII.html#ixzz2GvnxapSS

--R

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[MBZ] Toy show

[Rich Thomas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S2e3C9qYIY&feature=youtu.be

--R

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Re: [MBZ] 124 Ignition Lock Cylinder

[Dieselhead]

I must admit I was wondering the same thing.

Any collective list wisdom out there?

Dan



I did it on the 123.  I am sure it will work on the 124, but I have 
not done it.


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Re: [MBZ] Hundreds of cars torched in French New Year 'tradition'

[Rich Thomas]

These articles do not mention the details of the "youths."  If there 
were some demographic data the picture would become more clear.


--R

On 1/3/13 12:01 PM, OK Don wrote:

The country might be civilized, (or not), but the un-employeed youth are
not.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:02 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:


Interior Minister Manuel Valls said Tuesday that 1,193 vehicles were
torched by French youths overnight in what has become a dubious New Year's
Eve tradition.





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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Mitch byda9uja

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jan 3, 2013 5:38 AM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
>

> I used to want a 2000-2003 wagon for
> the ESP, until I realized the 98-99
> models had more ground clearance.
> Now I want a 1999 with the ESP
> option.

Decisions, decisions...

I have been looking half-seriously for a 2000-up E430 4Matic sedan, but
they do seem to be awfully low to the ground compared to, say, a Subaru
Legacy.  I wish the spoilers and side skirts were optional.

I guess MBNA figures if you want AWD and ground clearance you should be
buying an ML.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] R107 wheel upgrades

[Craig]

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:10:42 -0500 " Rusty Cullens" 
wrote:

> $300.00 new. :(
> 
> Mitch wrote:
> What about 2104010602?
> I didn't even think of new, perhaps foolishly, when I bought one for $70
> last month.

What about 210 204 06 02?


Craig

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[MBZ] 14" Tires (tahrs)?

[Rick Knoble]

Discount Tires has Michelin Destiny and Kumho Solus in 14 inch. These are not 
adequate for your application? They work fine for me. The Michelins are a bit 
better. 

Right now the Michelin Defender is the only tire they have in stock for my 
123's. Seems adequate though. 

http://m.discounttire.com/dtcs/findTireDetail.do?c=7&rcz=46368&ar=70&rf=true&rd=14&rc=INPINT&cs=205&dVeh=dVeh&ra=searchTiresByVehicleAndSize.do&tc=MMIPA1&yr=1985&pc=34286&vid=000686&sw=false

Rick
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