Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
D'oh and another is the lowly 240D See ebay 4596821298 [] for a picture. Do you suppose they guys who designed the car could have built a better intake/filter than the mushroom riceburner junk? At 08:52 AM 12/15/2005, you wrote: An example of a *stock* cold air intake is the air intake on a Volvo 240. The airbox is connected to an intake pipe that runs around the radiator and opens just behind the grille. Another such example is the air intake of a 300 SDL. -- Jim ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5dc69c6.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 653 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20051215/b1b3180e/5dc69c6.jpg
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
Those kind of things with the exposed filters or the cold air intakes are ok for a gas burner the lower compression makes thm a tad more forgiving, but if you put one on a diesel you'd better live in Death Valley, or plan on parking whenever it starts raining or you'll likely suck up a belly full of water into the engine. It doesn't take much on a diesel before it's all over but the crying. Diesel air filter housings are generally designed carefully with the thought of shedding water in mind. I've known a few people with VW and Volvo diesels who have gone that route with the sexy air intake setups, and blown the engines that way. One did it, just going through a big puddle at an intersection. -Robert David Brodbeck wrote: Harry M. wrote: Those setups are called cold air intakes, they increase the airflow to the engine and believe it or not have been proven to increase power. What was shown in the ebay link was *not* a cold air intake. It was under the hood. A true cold air intake needs to draw outside air, not under-hood air. An example of a *stock* cold air intake is the air intake on a Volvo 240. The airbox is connected to an intake pipe that runs around the radiator and opens just behind the grille. I found a setup for my Miata and with a nice exhaust it added a extra 20hp at the rear wheels. Have you verified that with a dyno, or is it just seat of the pants? In the dyno testing I've seen, even on old American cars with really restrictive air cleaners the gain was usually less than 5 hp. Often it was less than the variation between runs. If you've really gained 20 hp, it's probably mostly from the exhaust. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
At one point I saw an article on some sort of safety device for the air intake (just for the reasons you mentioned) I forget exactly how/what it was, but some sort of T in the line that would get air elsewhere due to pressure or something. The part I remember was they had the guy's NSX on a dyno and shoved the end of his intake into a fish tank. They had him do a full dyno test on it. You could see the water get sucked up the pipe a ways, but never far enough to get in... There were a couple variables I could question, but it was interesting if nothing else. (: Levi On 12/15/05, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those kind of things with the exposed filters or the cold air intakes are ok for a gas burner the lower compression makes thm a tad more forgiving, but if you put one on a diesel you'd better live in Death Valley, or plan on parking whenever it starts raining or you'll likely suck up a belly full of water into the engine. It doesn't take much on a diesel before it's all over but the crying. Diesel air filter housings are generally designed carefully with the thought of shedding water in mind. I've known a few people with VW and Volvo diesels who have gone that route with the sexy air intake setups, and blown the engines that way. One did it, just going through a big puddle at an intersection. -Robert David Brodbeck wrote: Harry M. wrote: Those setups are called cold air intakes, they increase the airflow to the engine and believe it or not have been proven to increase power. What was shown in the ebay link was *not* a cold air intake. It was under the hood. A true cold air intake needs to draw outside air, not under-hood air. An example of a *stock* cold air intake is the air intake on a Volvo 240. The airbox is connected to an intake pipe that runs around the radiator and opens just behind the grille. I found a setup for my Miata and with a nice exhaust it added a extra 20hp at the rear wheels. Have you verified that with a dyno, or is it just seat of the pants? In the dyno testing I've seen, even on old American cars with really restrictive air cleaners the gain was usually less than 5 hp. Often it was less than the variation between runs. If you've really gained 20 hp, it's probably mostly from the exhaust. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- It isn't what you have, or who you are, or where you are, or what you are doing that makes you happy or unhappy. It is what you think about. -Dale Carnegie
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
Opps, my mistake.. sorry Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Miata = GASOLINE, not diesel. the original question dealt with an MB Diesel. At 04:52 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: Those setups are called cold air intakes, they increase the airflow to the engine and believe it or not have been proven to increase power. I found a setup for my Miata and with a nice exhaust it added a extra 20hp at the rear wheels. I guess a lot of kids out there with little money to spend have the home made setups that look like a plumbing nightmare, but they work Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is standard issue for the kids with their rice burner Hondogs. They take sewer pipe to build a tube from where they can fit the little filter to the intake. The total filtration area is WAY less than the OE. It might be ok for a 4 banger, but not a 6 or 8 cyl. The KN is good on a /5 BMW, where the total filtration area is the same. I would not put this on my MB. The filter mounts on my 126 never bother. What's up with yours? I had to weld the mount on a 85 123 300TD, but the 126 is solid. I get over 100K on a 126 filter. At 12:13 PM 6/26/2005, you wrote: Kaleb, We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall said that since the engine AS IS operates with an abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase performance. But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126 air cleaner mounting apparatus. Thoughts? Christopher --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634; item=7981938573rd=1 Christopher McCann 1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris 1976 240D, ManyK miles, Siegfried/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform 1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Raytown, Missouri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL and newly aquired 74 350 SLC __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL and newly aquired 74 350 SLC __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
Miata = GASOLINE, not diesel. the original question dealt with an MB Diesel. At 04:52 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: Those setups are called cold air intakes, they increase the airflow to the engine and believe it or not have been proven to increase power. I found a setup for my Miata and with a nice exhaust it added a extra 20hp at the rear wheels. I guess a lot of kids out there with little money to spend have the home made setups that look like a plumbing nightmare, but they work Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is standard issue for the kids with their rice burner Hondogs. They take sewer pipe to build a tube from where they can fit the little filter to the intake. The total filtration area is WAY less than the OE. It might be ok for a 4 banger, but not a 6 or 8 cyl. The KN is good on a /5 BMW, where the total filtration area is the same. I would not put this on my MB. The filter mounts on my 126 never bother. What's up with yours? I had to weld the mount on a 85 123 300TD, but the 126 is solid. I get over 100K on a 126 filter. At 12:13 PM 6/26/2005, you wrote: Kaleb, We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall said that since the engine AS IS operates with an abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase performance. But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126 air cleaner mounting apparatus. Thoughts? Christopher --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634; item=7981938573rd=1 Christopher McCann 1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris 1976 240D, ManyK miles, Siegfried/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform 1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Raytown, Missouri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL and newly aquired 74 350 SLC __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
Are you talking then about a 617 engine? If the mount is the same as the 300TD 617, then yes, use an extra vibration damper. That is a 617 issue, not a 126 issue. Most other 126 models have the air cleaner mounted to the fender and a rubber tube to the intake or turbo. At 10:53 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: I don't know exactly. I think its an idle problem. Had a idle adjested and I guess there is some little gizmo that adjusts the idle for things like having the A/C on, etc...I am not sure it's working...low RPM causes the air cleaner to shake. Fine above idle. I wedged radiator hose between the air cleaner and valve cover and have had no problems since. But I think I am going to pull the hose out and replace it with rubber shock bushings bolted into air cleaner, pushing against the valve cover. Chris --- Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is standard issue for the kids with their rice burner Hondogs. They take sewer pipe to build a tube from where they can fit the little filter to the intake. The total filtration area is WAY less than the OE. It might be ok for a 4 banger, but not a 6 or 8 cyl. The KN is good on a /5 BMW, where the total filtration area is the same. I would not put this on my MB. The filter mounts on my 126 never bother. What's up with yours? I had to weld the mount on a 85 123 300TD, but the 126 is solid. I get over 100K on a 126 filter. At 12:13 PM 6/26/2005, you wrote: Kaleb, We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall said that since the engine AS IS operates with an abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase performance. But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126 air cleaner mounting apparatus. Thoughts? Christopher --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634i tem=7981938573rd=1 Christopher McCann 1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris 1976 240D, ManyK miles, Siegfried/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform 1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Raytown, Missouri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
Ah - yes, it is a 617. And I should have known that as a 123 300Dt (my friends) has the exact same set up (same engine). Thanks for clarifying. Christopher --- Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you talking then about a 617 engine? If the mount is the same as the 300TD 617, then yes, use an extra vibration damper. That is a 617 issue, not a 126 issue. Most other 126 models have the air cleaner mounted to the fender and a rubber tube to the intake or turbo. At 10:53 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: I don't know exactly. I think its an idle problem. Had a idle adjested and I guess there is some little gizmo that adjusts the idle for things like having the A/C on, etc...I am not sure it's working...low RPM causes the air cleaner to shake. Fine above idle. I wedged radiator hose between the air cleaner and valve cover and have had no problems since. But I think I am going to pull the hose out and replace it with rubber shock bushings bolted into air cleaner, pushing against the valve cover. Chris --- Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is standard issue for the kids with their rice burner Hondogs. They take sewer pipe to build a tube from where they can fit the little filter to the intake. The total filtration area is WAY less than the OE. It might be ok for a 4 banger, but not a 6 or 8 cyl. The KN is good on a /5 BMW, where the total filtration area is the same. I would not put this on my MB. The filter mounts on my 126 never bother. What's up with yours? I had to weld the mount on a 85 123 300TD, but the 126 is solid. I get over 100K on a 126 filter. At 12:13 PM 6/26/2005, you wrote: Kaleb, We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall said that since the engine AS IS operates with an abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase performance. But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126 air cleaner mounting apparatus. Thoughts? Christopher --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634i tem=7981938573rd=1 Christopher McCann 1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris 1976 240D, ManyK miles, Siegfried/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform 1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Raytown, Missouri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
Those setups are called cold air intakes, they increase the airflow to the engine and believe it or not have been proven to increase power. I found a setup for my Miata and with a nice exhaust it added a extra 20hp at the rear wheels. I guess a lot of kids out there with little money to spend have the home made setups that look like a plumbing nightmare, but they work Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is standard issue for the kids with their rice burner Hondogs. They take sewer pipe to build a tube from where they can fit the little filter to the intake. The total filtration area is WAY less than the OE. It might be ok for a 4 banger, but not a 6 or 8 cyl. The KN is good on a /5 BMW, where the total filtration area is the same. I would not put this on my MB. The filter mounts on my 126 never bother. What's up with yours? I had to weld the mount on a 85 123 300TD, but the 126 is solid. I get over 100K on a 126 filter. At 12:13 PM 6/26/2005, you wrote: Kaleb, We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall said that since the engine AS IS operates with an abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase performance. But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126 air cleaner mounting apparatus. Thoughts? Christopher --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634item=7981938573rd=1 Christopher McCann 1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris 1976 240D, ManyK miles, Siegfried/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform 1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Raytown, Missouri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL and newly aquired 74 350 SLC __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
I think the point was that it's useless on a turbocharged engine because you're already getting maximum airflow (and that stock air cleaner ain't small either). On a non-turbo engine it certainly has an effect, especially if combined with a ram-air system like the Firebird's WS6 nostril package. Too bad all those hood scoops on the nice big pickups nowadays are fake... Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 6/29/05, Harry M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those setups are called cold air intakes, they increase the airflow to the engine and believe it or not have been proven to increase power. I found a setup for my Miata and with a nice exhaust it added a extra 20hp at the rear wheels. I guess a lot of kids out there with little money to spend have the home made setups that look like a plumbing nightmare, but they work Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is standard issue for the kids with their rice burner Hondogs. They take sewer pipe to build a tube from where they can fit the little filter to the intake. The total filtration area is WAY less than the OE. It might be ok for a 4 banger, but not a 6 or 8 cyl. The KN is good on a /5 BMW, where the total filtration area is the same. I would not put this on my MB. The filter mounts on my 126 never bother. What's up with yours? I had to weld the mount on a 85 123 300TD, but the 126 is solid. I get over 100K on a 126 filter. At 12:13 PM 6/26/2005, you wrote: Kaleb, We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall said that since the engine AS IS operates with an abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase performance. But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126 air cleaner mounting apparatus. Thoughts? Christopher --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634item=7981938573rd=1 Christopher McCann 1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris 1976 240D, ManyK miles, Siegfried/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform 1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Raytown, Missouri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL and newly aquired 74 350 SLC __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
Harry M. wrote: Those setups are called cold air intakes, they increase the airflow to the engine and believe it or not have been proven to increase power. What was shown in the ebay link was *not* a cold air intake. It was under the hood. A true cold air intake needs to draw outside air, not under-hood air. An example of a *stock* cold air intake is the air intake on a Volvo 240. The airbox is connected to an intake pipe that runs around the radiator and opens just behind the grille. I found a setup for my Miata and with a nice exhaust it added a extra 20hp at the rear wheels. Have you verified that with a dyno, or is it just seat of the pants? In the dyno testing I've seen, even on old American cars with really restrictive air cleaners the gain was usually less than 5 hp. Often it was less than the variation between runs. If you've really gained 20 hp, it's probably mostly from the exhaust.
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
The ram-air WS6 Firebird only has 15-hp more than the non-ram-air version according to GM. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 6/29/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found a setup for my Miata and with a nice exhaust it added a extra 20hp at the rear wheels. Have you verified that with a dyno, or is it just seat of the pants? In the dyno testing I've seen, even on old American cars with really restrictive air cleaners the gain was usually less than 5 hp. Often it was less than the variation between runs. If you've really gained 20 hp, it's probably mostly from the exhaust.
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:38:58 -0400 David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TimothyPilgrim wrote: I think the point was that it's useless on a turbocharged engine because you're already getting maximum airflow (and that stock air cleaner ain't small either). It's not a question of turbo vs. non-turbo. It's strictly a question of how restrictive the air cleaner is at the flow rate the engine needs. If the wastegate of the turbo opens, it really is a question of turbo versus non-turbo. With the wastegate open, reducing the intake restriction will only mean that the wastegate opens further. Craig
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
Craig McCluskey wrote: If the wastegate of the turbo opens, it really is a question of turbo versus non-turbo. With the wastegate open, reducing the intake restriction will only mean that the wastegate opens further. Hmm. Good point. I hadn't thought about that. And at highway speeds, these cars run with the wastegate open almost all the time, don't they? I suppose I could argue that the more the wastegate opens, the lower the exhaust back pressure will be and the more efficiently the engine will breathe, but that's got to be a pretty minor effect.
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
Another suggestion is to do the same thing with the rubber washers from old shock absorbers Christopher McCann --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you want to stop them from breaking, next time one breaks, save it. Drill a hole in the side of the air cleaner next to valve cover, mount the broken mount to the air cleaner so the rubber is jammed between the cleaner and valve cover, and it keeps it from vibrating as much and makes them last longer. Christopher McCann wrote: Kaleb, We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall said that since the engine AS IS operates with an abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase performance. But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126 air cleaner mounting apparatus. Thoughts? Christopher --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634item=7981938573rd=1 Christopher McCann 1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris 1976 240D, ManyK miles, Siegfried/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform 1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Raytown, Missouri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Raytown, Missouri -1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
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It was split, I got roughly 7-9 hp with the intake and the rest with the exhaust. The funny thing about the smaller engines is when you allow them to breath better they are capable of making some serious horsepower. The Ram Air Firebird's ratings were estimated, GM didn't really do testing and according the track numbers no time was gained in accelleration. TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ram-air WS6 Firebird only has 15-hp more than the non-ram-air version according to GM. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 6/29/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found a setup for my Miata and with a nice exhaust it added a extra 20hp at the rear wheels. Have you verified that with a dyno, or is it just seat of the pants? In the dyno testing I've seen, even on old American cars with really restrictive air cleaners the gain was usually less than 5 hp. Often it was less than the variation between runs. If you've really gained 20 hp, it's probably mostly from the exhaust. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL and newly aquired 74 350 SLC __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
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They were Mazda-Speed aftermarket parts. The figures were from their tests, although I had it dynoed and the results were 7-9 HP from the intake and 12 from the exhaust. TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ram-air WS6 Firebird only has 15-hp more than the non-ram-air version according to GM. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 6/29/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found a setup for my Miata and with a nice exhaust it added a extra 20hp at the rear wheels. Have you verified that with a dyno, or is it just seat of the pants? In the dyno testing I've seen, even on old American cars with really restrictive air cleaners the gain was usually less than 5 hp. Often it was less than the variation between runs. If you've really gained 20 hp, it's probably mostly from the exhaust. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 69 280 SEL and newly aquired 74 350 SLC __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
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This is standard issue for the kids with their rice burner Hondogs. They take sewer pipe to build a tube from where they can fit the little filter to the intake. The total filtration area is WAY less than the OE. It might be ok for a 4 banger, but not a 6 or 8 cyl. The KN is good on a /5 BMW, where the total filtration area is the same. I would not put this on my MB. The filter mounts on my 126 never bother. What's up with yours? I had to weld the mount on a 85 123 300TD, but the 126 is solid. I get over 100K on a 126 filter. At 12:13 PM 6/26/2005, you wrote: Kaleb, We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall said that since the engine AS IS operates with an abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase performance. But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126 air cleaner mounting apparatus. Thoughts? Christopher --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634item=7981938573rd=1 Christopher McCann 1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris 1976 240D, ManyK miles, Siegfried/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform 1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Raytown, Missouri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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if you want to stop them from breaking, next time one breaks, save it. Drill a hole in the side of the air cleaner next to valve cover, mount the broken mount to the air cleaner so the rubber is jammed between the cleaner and valve cover, and it keeps it from vibrating as much and makes them last longer. Christopher McCann wrote: Kaleb, We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall said that since the engine AS IS operates with an abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase performance. But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126 air cleaner mounting apparatus. Thoughts? Christopher --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634item=7981938573rd=1 Christopher McCann 1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris 1976 240D, ManyK miles, Siegfried/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform 1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Raytown, Missouri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
[MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634item=7981938573rd=1 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
Kaleb, We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall said that since the engine AS IS operates with an abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase performance. But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126 air cleaner mounting apparatus. Thoughts? Christopher --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634item=7981938573rd=1 Christopher McCann 1985 300SD, 206K miles, Wulf http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris 1976 240D, ManyK miles, Siegfried/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform 1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van Raytown, Missouri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Oh, and it sounds very good too. Bet it gives that diesel the throaty roar one associates with a high-performance race car! I wonder if he also sells the coffee can exhaust to add that great sound to the other end too? --R Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634item=7981938573rd=1
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KN type filter with no visable signs of filter oil, kind of like the rest of that crappy cared for engine. On 6/26/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634item=7981938573rd=1 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com http://www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Don Teresa Merriman Market Place Mexico Vacation Rentals Property Administration
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38634item=7981938573rd=1 Want to check out how much power you can gain with that poor excuse for an air filter? Remove the stock air filter and make some 0-60 mph acceleration runs. Put in a NEW stock filter and do the same. If you pick up even 0.1 sec I'd be surprised. I have NEVER done even that well. The filter that's being sold on e-bay CAN'T air intake resistance more than NO filter and will result in poorer filtering if there is ANY reduction in airflow resistance! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
