Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Dieselhead]

Article in the daily rag outlined the exchange options.  The table 
showed the three levels of plan (gold, sliver, bronze) and age 
groups (20's 40's 60's).  Based on the level of coverage I suffer 
with now, I will be paying more as a single user than what I am 
charged monthly to cover the whole family.  So, Osama care in my 
case will cost me three times as much.  To make it economical, I 
should drop all coverage and pay the tax penalty. 


clay


It is cheaper, cuz kB sez so.  Ain't it right?

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Craig]

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:50:54 -0700 clay  wrote:

> Article in the daily rag outlined the exchange options.  The table
> showed the three levels of plan (gold, sliver, bronze) and age groups
> (20's 40's 60's).  Based on the level of coverage I suffer with now, I
> will be paying more as a single user than what I am charged monthly to
> cover the whole family.  So, Osama care in my case will cost me three
> times as much.  To make it economical, I should drop all coverage and
> pay the tax penalty.  

or, refuse2enroll.com


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[clay]

Article in the daily rag outlined the exchange options.  The table showed the 
three levels of plan (gold, sliver, bronze) and age groups (20's 40's 60's).  
Based on the level of coverage I suffer with now, I will be paying more as a 
single user than what I am charged monthly to cover the whole family.  So, 
Osama care in my case will cost me three times as much.  To make it economical, 
I should drop all coverage and pay the tax penalty.  

clay


On Aug 1, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> 
>> This is certainly the line that the insurance industry has been
>> feeding us for a long time.  But I've said this before and I'll keep
>> saying it:  insurance is the one product in the marketplace that
>> everyone is required to have (i.e. car liability insurance, plus soon
>> health insurance), but that the seller is not required to provide in
>> exchange for the buyer's money.
> 
> Well, supposedly when ObamaCare kicks in they'll be required to provide us 
> with health insurance in exchange for forcing us to buy it.
> 
> I wonder how many people will resist that?
> I grew up with the idea that somebody could take out a mortgage and deduct 
> the interest, while another taxpayer could save up and pay cash for their 
> home and take the standard deduction. The guy without the mortgage pays more 
> in taxes than the guy who took out a mortgage and bought a bigger house.
> 
> Where I draw the line is when government fines me for not borrowing money to 
> buy a more expensive house by requiring me to pay a special $1000 tax for not 
> having the mortgage. That's where I must make a stand by filing a protest 
> return, the one where I leave the mortgage surtax calculations blank and 
> attach a preparer's note which states that it's none of their business how I 
> paid for my house.
> 
> Same goes for health care. I can pay as I go or I can buy insurance coverage 
> for it. The minute the feral government says I must buy insurance, not just 
> any insurance but the insurance they want me to buy, or pay a tax is the 
> moment I become a tax protester.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[clay]

Washington has legal dope and physician assisted death for terminal folks.   I 
would gladly smoke myself into a vegetative state after ingesting lethal 
amounts of morphine


On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:22 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older 
> ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more weeks 
> or months.  They push the docs and they system to do more more more when it 
> really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the desires of 
> the family or there will be hell to pay.  And then there is the part that if 
> medicare or whatever is paying for it, well
> 
> I have made it clear that when it is my time, everyone can take me out in the 
> woods and tie me to a tree and I will be happy.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 7/31/13 7:57 PM, clay wrote:
>> I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the 
>> person to make their peace.  The chemicals and radiation kill the patient 
>> unless it is stage one.  All the treatment seems to do is to keep the victim 
>> on the edge of death while insurance companies payout the mightily 
>> overpriced procedures.  The drugs are pushed as generic treatment, instead 
>> of being used in a targeted fashion for specific cancers.
>> 
>> If there were to ever be a cure, that would ruin the cancer economy of 
>> drugs, nurses, treatment centers, and research programs.  Much like the snit 
>> the Kalifornia energy companies are tossing over rooftop PV ruining their 
>> profits because there is not cash flowing in for them.  Or the idiocy of the 
>> Republicans shooting down astroid capture.  Do they not have any idea the 
>> profits big mining will reap when they figure out how to do it?  Kill the 
>> golden goose, and there goes your cash for future elections.  Those astroid 
>> miners would pay handsomely to get their hands on that stuff.
>> 
>> rant over
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike wrote:
 Many folks
 may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
 than being subjected to chemo and radiation.
 Cancer sucks.  Greedy @#$%&#?@ people that keep people from a potential
 cure over tax money suck worse.
>>> My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated.  6-months later he was
>>> dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch...
>>> 30-years ago.
>>> Cure is heinous hope.  Death is the cure, and there is no hope against
>>> death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at
>>> okiebenz...
>>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Dieselhead]

 I think enough of them can finally be convinced that the Rs aren't 
really any different from the Ds.


Mitch.


Ja, der's a difference.  One set is marxist, leninist mao lovin 
facists.  The other set is insecure socialist  facist pigs.


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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mitch Haley]

Mountain Man wrote:

Roger wrote:

Each of you needs to bring pressure on your representatives.


This assumes a functional system.
No $$, no voice - see SCOTUS decision about $$/persons.
I agree with one guy I read - look for a military coup.


I emailed both of my communist Senators and my socialist ex-representative well 
in advance of the passage of ACA, but they did the expected thing anyway.


Thanks to Roger for reminding me that my current neoconservative representative 
needs to be informed that House passage of any retroactive reward system for 
criminal invasion of this country will result in the long overdue death of the 
Repugnant Party. I've wanted to get rid of the RINOs since before the TEA Party, 
and if Boner and friends screw the conservative voters over illegal aliens I 
think enough of them can finally be convinced that the Rs aren't really any 
different from the Ds.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Rich Thomas]

IOW he's a pirate.  Aagh!

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Aug 1, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Craig  wrote:

On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:14:37 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" 
wrote:

> Actually, yes or at least we did.  I have a cousin who is a successful
> builder (mostly residential).  He also owns a couple large marinas and a
> yacht or two.  For his vacation he "works" as a yacht repo guy.
> Typically he and some buds fly to Florida, the Bahamas, or some such,
> seize a yacht, ensure it is seaworthy, and return it to the lender.
> Apparently it's pretty good money for a cruising experience he would
> otherwise pay for.

That sounds like a lot of fun. Wish I could take part


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mountain Man]

Roger wrote:
> Each of you needs to bring pressure on your representatives.

This assumes a functional system.
No $$, no voice - see SCOTUS decision about $$/persons.
I agree with one guy I read - look for a military coup.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[rogerhga]

To all who have given great comments on this topic (not Roger, but the ACA)... 
I think you'll find that the bill did originate in the House, but the Senate 
(Reid with Pelosi's help) gutted the House bill and dropped in ACA. Once 
mistakenly passed by the Senate, it goes to House conference or some such. The 
big problem today is that Speaker Boehner needs to "grow a set". He let the ACA 
mess get by and now he's trying to slip in amnesty under the guise of the 
"dream act". Check the details and try not to "throw up" too much. No, there is 
no law enforcement today. That's why our incompetent leader put Holder in as 
AG, to cover his back with all the law breaking/bending that he's doing. The 
House needs to start multiple impeachment hearings. Harry Reid has stopped all 
House bills he doesn't like, but yet the Republicans are being 
"obstructionists". Let's get real for a moment. The USA is rapidly becoming a 
third world country. I spend a good amount of time calling and emailing both my 
representatives and others about the mess and destruction they are allowing. I 
en
 courage all of you to do the same. This forum is a good place to vent, but it 
accomplishes little outside this forum. Each of you needs to bring pressure on 
your representatives. If they think they'll lose power, they'll act, otherwise, 
they'll take the easy route and keep their salary and excellent benefits which 
all of us as taxpayers are footing the bill for, while excluding themselves 
from the messes they impose on us. 
I'll get down off my soap box now. But each of you needs to mount your horse 
and ride out to tell everyone that "the idiots are coming" (pardon the 
reference to the British). And please do so before we are all destitute. 
Best Wishes, 

Roger Hale 
Monroe, Ga. 

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mountain Man]

Mitch wrote:
> Did I guess wrong, or were you planning on buying gov't subsidized health
> insurance, or paying extra taxes for not buying it?
> From the sounds of it, it might come out pretty much free if you buy it.
>

You said things correctly, which is fine.
And, nope, I don't plan on spending $$ on ACA.
I don't file taxes either, so no fines.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mitch Haley]

Mountain Man wrote:

Mitch wrote:

That's what they say.
Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of
allowing it.


Oh, WOW!!  My intentions preceed me!!  It is amazing sometimes how
much is said and then I forget I said it, so you already know.
mao


Did I guess wrong, or were you planning on buying gov't subsidized health 
insurance, or paying extra taxes for not buying it?

From the sounds of it, it might come out pretty much free if you buy it.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Nobody cares what is legal and what is not anymore.  I guess they 
can just do whatever they want.  So if it is the law, the 
president does not have the authority to delay the implementation 
of  his law, or cherry pick what to enforce and what to not.  Its 
supposedly the law so he has no right to delay it until after the 
elections.



On 8/1/2013 5:38 PM, Craig wrote:

On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:24:51 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" 
wrote:


On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Oh, but they do!  The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld
Obamacare so it's "the law of the land".

Yes.  And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott.

And it is another way the ACA is illegal. Spending/taxing bills must
originate in the House. The ACA originated in the Senate.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mountain Man]

Craig wrote:
> And it is another way the ACA is illegal. Spending/taxing bills must
> originate in the House. The ACA originated in the Senate.

Thanks.
Nice.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mountain Man]

Mike wrote:
> I am not going to pay, period.  They will probably try to sieze my personal
> property, I sold it all already, on paper.

The personal property at this residence is all old useless being used
property of no use to anyone but the dump.  Nice old stuff, none of it
of any value, I'm sure - Dieselhead has visited here.  Yeah, they'd
make a bundle selling this junque at auction.  And then spend 10x
trying to house me as vagrant.  Or is this when the Death Panel steps
in and drives up with the black suburban and opens fire.  Armageddon.
The greatest fascist state on the planet.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mountain Man]

Mitch wrote:
> That's what they say.
> Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of
> allowing it.

Oh, WOW!!  My intentions preceed me!!  It is amazing sometimes how
much is said and then I forget I said it, so you already know.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Scott Ritchey]

It's pretty plain that legality and constitutionality were not overriding
considerations when the Supremes ruled on PPACA.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:38 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:24:51 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" 
wrote:

> > On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > 
> > Oh, but they do!  The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld
> > Obamacare so it's "the law of the land".
>
> Yes.  And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott.

And it is another way the ACA is illegal. Spending/taxing bills must
originate in the House. The ACA originated in the Senate.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Craig]

On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:14:37 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" 
wrote:

> Actually, yes or at least we did.  I have a cousin who is a successful
> builder (mostly residential).  He also owns a couple large marinas and a
> yacht or two.  For his vacation he "works" as a yacht repo guy.
> Typically he and some buds fly to Florida, the Bahamas, or some such,
> seize a yacht, ensure it is seaworthy, and return it to the lender.
> Apparently it's pretty good money for a cruising experience he would
> otherwise pay for.

That sounds like a lot of fun. Wish I could take part


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Craig]

On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:24:51 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" 
wrote:

> > On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > 
> > Oh, but they do!  The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld
> > Obamacare so it's "the law of the land".
>
> Yes.  And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott.

And it is another way the ACA is illegal. Spending/taxing bills must
originate in the House. The ACA originated in the Senate.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Scott Ritchey]

Yes.  And that was a great disappointment, like Dread Scott.

-Original Message-
On Aug 1 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Oh, but they do!  The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so
it's "the law of the land".




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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Randy Bennell]

On 01/08/2013 5:14 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

Actually, yes or at least we did.  I have a cousin who is a successful
builder (mostly residential).  He also owns a couple large marinas and a
yacht or two.  For his vacation he "works" as a yacht repo guy.  Typically
he and some buds fly to Florida, the Bahamas, or some such, seize a yacht,
ensure it is seaworthy, and return it to the lender.  Apparently it's pretty
good money for a cruising experience he would otherwise pay for.   Knowing
several incidents where auto or home repo led to violence, I asked about
that.  He told me that violence by the "owners"is not a problem.  The
owners, who are all in default, are generally so overextended that they are
glad to be rid of the boat.  Often these owners lack the ability to return
the vessel and the boat doesn't generate additional debts after it's been
repossessed.

-Original Message-
On 1 Aug Craig sent:

Do we have a yacht bubble?





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I would guess there is a "toy" bubble.
Boats, motor homes etc appear to be cheap in the USA these days.

A lot of the boats advertised here in the GWN have US ID #'s on the bow.
I assume some of my countrymen go south and buy them cheap and haul them 
home to resell.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Scott Ritchey]

Actually, yes or at least we did.  I have a cousin who is a successful
builder (mostly residential).  He also owns a couple large marinas and a
yacht or two.  For his vacation he "works" as a yacht repo guy.  Typically
he and some buds fly to Florida, the Bahamas, or some such, seize a yacht,
ensure it is seaworthy, and return it to the lender.  Apparently it's pretty
good money for a cruising experience he would otherwise pay for.   Knowing
several incidents where auto or home repo led to violence, I asked about
that.  He told me that violence by the "owners"is not a problem.  The
owners, who are all in default, are generally so overextended that they are
glad to be rid of the boat.  Often these owners lack the ability to return
the vessel and the boat doesn't generate additional debts after it's been
repossessed.

-Original Message-
On 1 Aug Craig sent:

Do we have a yacht bubble?





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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Michael Canfield]

I am not going to pay, period.  They will probably try to sieze my personal
property, I sold it all already, on paper.

Mike
On Aug 1, 2013 5:03 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Oh, but they do!  The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare
>> so
>> it's "the law of the land".
>>
>
> That's what they say.
> Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of
> allowing it.
>
> Obama, Pelosi, et al said it's not a tax.
> Department of Justice argued that it was valid under Congressional
> authority to lay and collect taxes. SCOTUS agreed with the 'it's a tax,
> therefore it's OK' theory.
>
> I already said what I was going to do, file a tax return that explicitly
> states my spending habits are none of their business. Probably add a
> comment about my Fourth Amendment privacy rights in accordance with Roe V.
> Wade.
>
> I just wondered if Mike had any plans on what he was going to do.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Dieselhead]

That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty.


You are assuming that obummercare is a law.  It is NOT.

(this is where Mao chimes in to tell you the paper that makes the 
case that it is not a law.)


Even though it is not a law, the gummit will attempt to enforce it as 
if it were a law.


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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mitch Haley]

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Oh, but they do!  The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so
it's "the law of the land".


That's what they say.
Doesn't mean I (or apparently Canfield or Gordon) have much intention of 
allowing it.


Obama, Pelosi, et al said it's not a tax.
Department of Justice argued that it was valid under Congressional authority to 
lay and collect taxes. SCOTUS agreed with the 'it's a tax, therefore it's OK' 
theory.


I already said what I was going to do, file a tax return that explicitly states 
my spending habits are none of their business. Probably add a comment about my 
Fourth Amendment privacy rights in accordance with Roe V. Wade.


I just wondered if Mike had any plans on what he was going to do.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Oh, but they do!  The Republican majority Supreme Court upheld Obamacare so
it's "the law of the land".

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty.
>>
>
> No effing way.
> That would give them the idea that they have the power to us to
> participate in commerce.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mitch Haley]

Mitch Haley wrote:

That would give them the idea that they have the power to us to 
participate in commerce.


Crap. Accidentally deleted half of that and missed a word when retyping.

That would give them the idea that they have the power to ORDER us to 
participate in commerce.


(commerce that isn't even interstate, by the way)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mitch Haley]

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty.


No effing way.
That would give them the idea that they have the power to us to participate in 
commerce.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Andrew Strasfogel]

That's a no brainer: obey the law and pay the penalty.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>> I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford
>> to pay cash.  Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and
>> pay
>> for my care while incarcerated.
>>
>
> So, what are you going to do if the individual mandate isn't postponed or
> repealed and you're instructed to self-impose a penalty tax on your 1040?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mitch Haley]

Michael Canfield wrote:

I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford
to pay cash.  Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay
for my care while incarcerated.


So, what are you going to do if the individual mandate isn't postponed or 
repealed and you're instructed to self-impose a penalty tax on your 1040?


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[Mountain Man]

Mike wrote:
> I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford
> to pay cash.  Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay
> for my care while incarcerated.

You along with most of okiebenz, it appears.  And probably a good
portion of the target insurable audience - my kids.
No token progressives here lauding the ACA? - Interesting!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mountain Man]

Mitch wrote:
> Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they can do
> that to you?

It is called Death Panel.
Doctors do this all the time when they participate in emergency
recovery drill such as airplane crash.  Individuals are graded as to
survivor or not and that is the practice.  Death Panel is not new, but
when family comes to forefront, cost be damned.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Michael Canfield]

I will not pay, nor will I seek the care of a doctor that I cannot afford
to pay cash.  Either that or they will arrest me, seize my property and pay
for my care while incarcerated.

Mike
On Aug 1, 2013 3:23 PM, "G Mann"  wrote:

>  willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230
> each when they sell it in USA?>
>
> Because they can.
>
> If you read all 2,000+ pages of the "affordable healthcare act" [surely
> must be a joke name] and the additional 70,000+ pages of "affordable
> healthcare act regulations] written after the act, but under the color of
> authority,  you find that you are forced to purchase it,
>
> If you don't IRS will force you to pay "taxes" extra to cover your
> non-compliance, that it hires initially some 16,000 new IRS agents and
> excludes congress, and muslims, as well as some other "special groups", but
> NOWHERE does it say.. "Big Pharma will have limits set on how much they can
> charge for drugs in USA" .. amazing.. just amazing.. who woulda
> thought... Well.. also.. there is the little issue that it does not provide
> for any new Doctors to handle the "estimated" 20,000,000 new patients..
> [wonder if doctors can handle the overtime?]...
>
> Guess, next time congress passes a law, it should read it first?
> Wait !!! ... Congress is excluded... they have no skin in this game.. free
> pass...
>
> Grant...
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
> > Gary Hurst wrote:
> >
> >  for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health
> >> insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford
> healthcare
> >>
> >
> >
> > A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a
> > family of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last year he ran
> some
> > fingers through a table saw. His coinsurance/copays for the surgeries etc
> > was over $20k. He could pay $20-30k, but it sure messes up the household
> > budget for the next few years.
> >
> > That blogger with the $7k drug that BCBS wants to split 50/50 with him?
> > A comment on his original blog post on the subject said:
> > "Canadian pharmacy. Thirty tablets, 100mg, 299.99. Do your due diligence
> > before ordering. US patent expires in 2014 and generics should be
> available
> > here when it does."
> >
> > If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they
> > willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230
> > each when they sell it in USA?
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mountain Man]

drfatty wrote:
> it's a completely broken country.  every system is broken
> and there is no plan to fix anything

Totally.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[G Mann]

Because they can.

If you read all 2,000+ pages of the "affordable healthcare act" [surely
must be a joke name] and the additional 70,000+ pages of "affordable
healthcare act regulations] written after the act, but under the color of
authority,  you find that you are forced to purchase it,

If you don't IRS will force you to pay "taxes" extra to cover your
non-compliance, that it hires initially some 16,000 new IRS agents and
excludes congress, and muslims, as well as some other "special groups", but
NOWHERE does it say.. "Big Pharma will have limits set on how much they can
charge for drugs in USA" .. amazing.. just amazing.. who woulda
thought... Well.. also.. there is the little issue that it does not provide
for any new Doctors to handle the "estimated" 20,000,000 new patients..
[wonder if doctors can handle the overtime?]...

Guess, next time congress passes a law, it should read it first?
Wait !!! ... Congress is excluded... they have no skin in this game.. free
pass...

Grant...

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>  for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health
>> insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare
>>
>
>
> A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a
> family of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last year he ran some
> fingers through a table saw. His coinsurance/copays for the surgeries etc
> was over $20k. He could pay $20-30k, but it sure messes up the household
> budget for the next few years.
>
> That blogger with the $7k drug that BCBS wants to split 50/50 with him?
> A comment on his original blog post on the subject said:
> "Canadian pharmacy. Thirty tablets, 100mg, 299.99. Do your due diligence
> before ordering. US patent expires in 2014 and generics should be available
> here when it does."
>
> If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they
> willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230
> each when they sell it in USA?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[WILTON]

I missed growing my own food and exercising daily.  ;<)

Wilton

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On 31/07/2013 6:12 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. 
Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other 
environmental issues.


Possibly a factor. Our livers process all the stuff we take into our 
bodies. It is an amazing organ that neutralizes toxins, synthesizes 
nutrients we lack... If we over exert our liver, yes, we will suffer the 
effects of mans influence on the food chain.


If a person wants to live as healthy a life as possible, the following is 
a prescription. Don't drink alcohol to excess, no illicit drug use, 
eliminate tobacco use, eat a healthy diet, grow your own food if possible 
(don't fertilize with cat crap), exercise strenuously five or six days a 
week, don't frequent high crime areas (Chicago, Detroit, etc.) and drive 
a Mercedes Benz.


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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

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i'm gonna guess most of this shit is bank owned.  they aren't even real sea
voyaging people, as far as i can tell.  they just go out on a weekend day
and get drunk with their friends, screaming and blaring music while
basically floating along in the intercoastal.  the also each have an amg
mercedes and some italian exotic in each driveway, but neither ever more as
they just get around in the big SUV.  i live in tourist housing, but these
people think i am one of them, just an eccentric old white guy from the
neighborhood who happens to just get around by bicycle.  they are nice
enough to me, but i am pretty horrified by their lifestyle.  it is
"unamerican" from the perspective of my working class upbringing


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:01:09 -0400 Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
>
> > you need to come to south florida and start running scams.  lots of
> > yachts in this neighborhood!
>
> Yes, but are the user-owned or bank-owned? Do we have a yacht bubble?
>
>
> Craig
>
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas <
> > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Please explain.  I only have a kayak.  I need to get this going as a
> > > yacht would be nice.
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> > >
> > >> doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of "how"
> > >> don't disturb them.  i
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

that "canadian pharmacy" talk is largely fraud, btw.  it certainly is not
from a licensed pharmacy in canada but pure 3rd world black market, mostly
out of india.


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>  for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health
>> insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare
>>
>
>
> A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a
> family of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last year he ran some
> fingers through a table saw. His coinsurance/copays for the surgeries etc
> was over $20k. He could pay $20-30k, but it sure messes up the household
> budget for the next few years.
>
> That blogger with the $7k drug that BCBS wants to split 50/50 with him?
> A comment on his original blog post on the subject said:
> "Canadian pharmacy. Thirty tablets, 100mg, 299.99. Do your due diligence
> before ordering. US patent expires in 2014 and generics should be available
> here when it does."
>
> If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they
> willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230
> each when they sell it in USA?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Randy Bennell]

On 31/07/2013 6:12 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:


How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. Treated 
with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other environmental 
issues.


Possibly a factor. Our livers process all the stuff we take into our bodies. It 
is an amazing organ that neutralizes toxins, synthesizes nutrients we lack... 
If we over exert our liver, yes, we will suffer the effects of mans influence 
on the food chain.

If a person wants to live as healthy a life as possible, the following is a 
prescription. Don't drink alcohol to excess, no illicit drug use, eliminate 
tobacco use, eat a healthy diet, grow your own food if possible (don't 
fertilize with cat crap), exercise strenuously five or six days a week, don't 
frequent high crime areas (Chicago, Detroit, etc.) and drive a Mercedes Benz.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Larry T]

well, competition is supposed to prevent what you described. (gary 
wrote:   avoid providing the service that they've contracted to 
provide.).  IMO when the govt gets involved and the Law of Unintended 
Consequences take over then all hell-o kicks in.   if the insureres 
could cross state lines for instance, competition would dominate the 
industry.  companies would be chasing the same # of customers and would 
have to offer superior service - which equates to better pay-outs.


i have no idea why these laws were passes (probably to protect someone 
paying the politicians off) but once a law establishes rules, the whole 
industry lines up to follow the rules...  which is why there has been no 
attempt to kill these laws.  even obamacare is a state limited plan for 
some crazy reason...


Anyway, competition, when allowed to function unfettered (except for 
anti monopoly laws, and similar) will keep the businesses in line. it 
always becomes a problem when the govt tries to turn things to a certain 
way.   they've always done it with real estate - offering tax credit for 
home buyers - why not for renters?  because the govt wants property 
owners...


have a great day..
LarryT
91 300D

On 8/1/2013 11:36 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

this to me is really the breaking point of the healthcare system as we have
it today.  what is the point of any kind of insurance?  to protect you from
financial ruin in case something goes south on you.

This is certainly the line that the insurance industry has been
feeding us for a long time.  But I've said this before and I'll keep
saying it:  insurance is the one product in the marketplace that
everyone is required to have (i.e. car liability insurance, plus soon
health insurance), but that the seller is not required to provide in
exchange for the buyer's money.

In order to maximize shareholder profit, insurance companies must
minimize the claims they pay out while continuing to raise premiums.
A Marxist will tell you that's how all of capitalism works (take as
much money as possible, give as little in return).  I am the farthest
thing from a Marxist--still, something's wrong with a system where
people are legally mandated by the state to do business with companies
whose business model is explicitly to, as often as possible, avoid
providing the service that they've contracted to provide.

Alex

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[Frederick Moir]

+1
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



>
> From: Dan Penoff 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:22 PM
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> 
>
>Because they can.
>
>Eli Lilly is one of the worst offenders.
>
>Dan
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[Dan Penoff]

Because they can.

Eli Lilly is one of the worst offenders.

Dan

On Aug 1, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
> 
>> for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health
>> insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare
> 
> 
> A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a 
> family of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last year he ran some 
> fingers through a table saw. His coinsurance/copays for the surgeries etc was 
> over $20k. He could pay $20-30k, but it sure messes up the household budget 
> for the next few years.
> 
> That blogger with the $7k drug that BCBS wants to split 50/50 with him?
> A comment on his original blog post on the subject said:
> "Canadian pharmacy. Thirty tablets, 100mg, 299.99. Do your due diligence 
> before ordering. US patent expires in 2014 and generics should be available 
> here when it does."
> 
> If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they 
> willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each 
> when they sell it in USA?
> 
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[Craig]

On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:01:09 -0400 Gary Hurst 
wrote:

> you need to come to south florida and start running scams.  lots of
> yachts in this neighborhood!

Yes, but are the user-owned or bank-owned? Do we have a yacht bubble?


Craig
 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> 
> > Please explain.  I only have a kayak.  I need to get this going as a
> > yacht would be nice.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> >
> >> doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of "how"
> >> don't disturb them.  i
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


This is certainly the line that the insurance industry has been
feeding us for a long time.  But I've said this before and I'll keep
saying it:  insurance is the one product in the marketplace that
everyone is required to have (i.e. car liability insurance, plus soon
health insurance), but that the seller is not required to provide in
exchange for the buyer's money.


Well, supposedly when ObamaCare kicks in they'll be required to provide us with 
health insurance in exchange for forcing us to buy it.


I wonder how many people will resist that?
I grew up with the idea that somebody could take out a mortgage and deduct the 
interest, while another taxpayer could save up and pay cash for their home and 
take the standard deduction. The guy without the mortgage pays more in taxes 
than the guy who took out a mortgage and bought a bigger house.


Where I draw the line is when government fines me for not borrowing money to buy 
a more expensive house by requiring me to pay a special $1000 tax for not having 
the mortgage. That's where I must make a stand by filing a protest return, the 
one where I leave the mortgage surtax calculations blank and attach a preparer's 
note which states that it's none of their business how I paid for my house.


Same goes for health care. I can pay as I go or I can buy insurance coverage for 
it. The minute the feral government says I must buy insurance, not just any 
insurance but the insurance they want me to buy, or pay a tax is the moment I 
become a tax protester.


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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
> this to me is really the breaking point of the healthcare system as we have
> it today.  what is the point of any kind of insurance?  to protect you from
> financial ruin in case something goes south on you.

This is certainly the line that the insurance industry has been
feeding us for a long time.  But I've said this before and I'll keep
saying it:  insurance is the one product in the marketplace that
everyone is required to have (i.e. car liability insurance, plus soon
health insurance), but that the seller is not required to provide in
exchange for the buyer's money.

In order to maximize shareholder profit, insurance companies must
minimize the claims they pay out while continuing to raise premiums.
A Marxist will tell you that's how all of capitalism works (take as
much money as possible, give as little in return).  I am the farthest
thing from a Marxist--still, something's wrong with a system where
people are legally mandated by the state to do business with companies
whose business model is explicitly to, as often as possible, avoid
providing the service that they've contracted to provide.

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:



If they were mandated to sell it for $10 in the USA they probably would
not have bothered to develop the drug in the first place.



True, but how did we let ourselves get in the position of subsidizing other 
countries' government health plans, and how to we get out of that position?


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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Allan Streib]

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:



If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and
they

willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get
$230

each when they sell it in USA?



If they were mandated to sell it for $10 in the USA they probably would
not have bothered to develop the drug in the first place.



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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mitch Haley]

Gary Hurst wrote:


for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health
insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare



A friend of mine pays 5 digits in annual medical insurance premiums for a family 
of four (two fourtysomethigns and two teens). Last year he ran some fingers 
through a table saw. His coinsurance/copays for the surgeries etc was over $20k. 
He could pay $20-30k, but it sure messes up the household budget for the next 
few years.


That blogger with the $7k drug that BCBS wants to split 50/50 with him?
A comment on his original blog post on the subject said:
"Canadian pharmacy. Thirty tablets, 100mg, 299.99. Do your due diligence before 
ordering. US patent expires in 2014 and generics should be available here when 
it does."


If the Canadian government will only let them charge $10 a dose, and they 
willingly sell it in Canada for that price, why do they have to get $230 each 
when they sell it in USA?


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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

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this to me is really the breaking point of the healthcare system as we have
it today.  what is the point of any kind of insurance?  to protect you from
financial ruin in case something goes south on you.  so say all your crap
is worth $50k, you you might buy some kind of fire/theft type insurance for
$500 for the year as you can pay $500 but you couldn't afford to cover
$50k.  etc

for the first time i can recall in my life, you can now have health
insurance but still face financial ruin or inability to afford healthcare


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>> Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older
>> ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more
>> weeks or months.  They push the docs and they system to do more more more
>> when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the
>> desires of the family or there will be hell to pay.  And then there is the
>> part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well
>>
>
> There's a blogger who recently found out that Blue Cross was raising the
> copay on his $7k a month drug from $40 a month to $3500.
> Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they can
> do that to you?
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

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Rich Thomas wrote:
Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially 
older ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few 
more weeks or months.  They push the docs and they system to do more 
more more when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go 
with the desires of the family or there will be hell to pay.  And then 
there is the part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well


There's a blogger who recently found out that Blue Cross was raising the copay 
on his $7k a month drug from $40 a month to $3500.
Yikes, what's the point of having prescription drug insurance if they can do 
that to you?


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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

you need to come to south florida and start running scams.  lots of yachts
in this neighborhood!


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Please explain.  I only have a kayak.  I need to get this going as a yacht
> would be nice.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of "how" don't
>> disturb them.  i
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Rich Thomas]

Please explain.  I only have a kayak.  I need to get this going as a 
yacht would be nice.


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On 8/1/13 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of "how" don't
disturb them.  i



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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Dan Penoff]

I believe a recent study showed that the bulk of Medicare expenditures take 
place in the last two years of the patient's life.

Dan

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On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:41 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> the exploitation of medicare is monumental down here.  anytime an old
> person has a headache or stomach ache, $200k plus is spent on "medical
> care."  many of the elderly enjoy the attention and feel participation is
> worthwhile, but spending 7 figures a year on someone who is not even
> actually in need of medical attention is entirely unsustainable.
> 
> doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of "how" don't
> disturb them.  it's a completely broken country.  every system is broken
> and there is no plan to fix anything
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> 
>> Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older
>> ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more
>> weeks or months.  They push the docs and they system to do more more more
>> when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the
>> desires of the family or there will be hell to pay.  And then there is the
>> part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well
>> 
>> I have made it clear that when it is my time, everyone can take me out in
>> the woods and tie me to a tree and I will be happy.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/31/13 7:57 PM, clay wrote:
>> 
>>> I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the
>>> person to make their peace.  The chemicals and radiation kill the patient
>>> unless it is stage one.  All the treatment seems to do is to keep the
>>> victim on the edge of death while insurance companies payout the mightily
>>> overpriced procedures.  The drugs are pushed as generic treatment, instead
>>> of being used in a targeted fashion for specific cancers.
>>> 
>>> If there were to ever be a cure, that would ruin the cancer economy of
>>> drugs, nurses, treatment centers, and research programs.  Much like the
>>> snit the Kalifornia energy companies are tossing over rooftop PV ruining
>>> their profits because there is not cash flowing in for them.  Or the idiocy
>>> of the Republicans shooting down astroid capture.  Do they not have any
>>> idea the profits big mining will reap when they figure out how to do it?
>>> Kill the golden goose, and there goes your cash for future elections.
>>> Those astroid miners would pay handsomely to get their hands on that stuff.
>>> 
>>> rant over
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mike wrote:
 
> Many folks
> may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
> than being subjected to chemo and radiation.
> Cancer sucks.  Greedy @#$%&#?@ people that keep people from a potential
> cure over tax money suck worse.
 My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated.  6-months later he was
 dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch...
 30-years ago.
 Cure is heinous hope.  Death is the cure, and there is no hope against
 death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Allan Streib]

Craig  writes:

> I read something in the last week or so about some breakthrough, but I
> don't remember exactly what it was.

I happened to see this a few weeks back

  https://asunews.asu.edu/20130712_pauldavies_cancer_research

A couple of excerpts:

  We envisage cancer as the execution of an ancient program pre-loaded
  into the genomes of all cells ... a throwback to an ancestral
  phenotype.

  The new theory predicts that as cancer progresses through more and
  more malignant stages, it will express genes that are more deeply
  conserved among multicellular organisms, and so are in some sense more
  ancient.

  This could provide clues to future treatments. For example, when life
  took the momentous step from single cells to multicellular
  assemblages, Earth had low levels of oxygen. Sure enough, cancer
  reverts to an ancient form of metabolism called fermentation, which
  can supply energy with little need for oxygen, although it requires
  lots of sugar.


That last paragraph in particular seemed interesting... most
contemporary diets are very high in sugar/carb intake, between the
addition of sugar or corn syrup to almost all processed foods and the
high amounts of carbs most people eat.  Perhaps that creates conditions
favorable to cancer, as well as tending to trigger diabetes over the
long term.

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

the exploitation of medicare is monumental down here.  anytime an old
person has a headache or stomach ache, $200k plus is spent on "medical
care."  many of the elderly enjoy the attention and feel participation is
worthwhile, but spending 7 figures a year on someone who is not even
actually in need of medical attention is entirely unsustainable.

doctors just know they want bigger yachts and the details of "how" don't
disturb them.  it's a completely broken country.  every system is broken
and there is no plan to fix anything


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially older
> ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few more
> weeks or months.  They push the docs and they system to do more more more
> when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go with the
> desires of the family or there will be hell to pay.  And then there is the
> part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well
>
> I have made it clear that when it is my time, everyone can take me out in
> the woods and tie me to a tree and I will be happy.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 7/31/13 7:57 PM, clay wrote:
>
>> I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the
>> person to make their peace.  The chemicals and radiation kill the patient
>> unless it is stage one.  All the treatment seems to do is to keep the
>> victim on the edge of death while insurance companies payout the mightily
>> overpriced procedures.  The drugs are pushed as generic treatment, instead
>> of being used in a targeted fashion for specific cancers.
>>
>> If there were to ever be a cure, that would ruin the cancer economy of
>> drugs, nurses, treatment centers, and research programs.  Much like the
>> snit the Kalifornia energy companies are tossing over rooftop PV ruining
>> their profits because there is not cash flowing in for them.  Or the idiocy
>> of the Republicans shooting down astroid capture.  Do they not have any
>> idea the profits big mining will reap when they figure out how to do it?
>>  Kill the golden goose, and there goes your cash for future elections.
>>  Those astroid miners would pay handsomely to get their hands on that stuff.
>>
>> rant over
>>
>> clay
>>
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
>>
>>  Mike wrote:
>>>
 Many folks
 may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
 than being subjected to chemo and radiation.
 Cancer sucks.  Greedy @#$%&#?@ people that keep people from a potential
 cure over tax money suck worse.

>>> My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated.  6-months later he was
>>> dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch...
>>> 30-years ago.
>>> Cure is heinous hope.  Death is the cure, and there is no hope against
>>> death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at
>>> okiebenz...
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Rich Thomas]

Part of the mentality is that family of cancer patients, especially 
older ones, want everything possible done to keep granny alive for a few 
more weeks or months.  They push the docs and they system to do more 
more more when it really won't help, but the docs have to pretty much go 
with the desires of the family or there will be hell to pay.  And then 
there is the part that if medicare or whatever is paying for it, well


I have made it clear that when it is my time, everyone can take me out 
in the woods and tie me to a tree and I will be happy.


--R


On 7/31/13 7:57 PM, clay wrote:

I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the person 
to make their peace.  The chemicals and radiation kill the patient unless it is 
stage one.  All the treatment seems to do is to keep the victim on the edge of 
death while insurance companies payout the mightily overpriced procedures.  The 
drugs are pushed as generic treatment, instead of being used in a targeted 
fashion for specific cancers.

If there were to ever be a cure, that would ruin the cancer economy of drugs, 
nurses, treatment centers, and research programs.  Much like the snit the 
Kalifornia energy companies are tossing over rooftop PV ruining their profits 
because there is not cash flowing in for them.  Or the idiocy of the 
Republicans shooting down astroid capture.  Do they not have any idea the 
profits big mining will reap when they figure out how to do it?  Kill the 
golden goose, and there goes your cash for future elections.  Those astroid 
miners would pay handsomely to get their hands on that stuff.

rant over

clay


On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote:


Mike wrote:

Many folks
may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
than being subjected to chemo and radiation.
Cancer sucks.  Greedy @#$%&#?@ people that keep people from a potential
cure over tax money suck worse.

My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated.  6-months later he was
dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch...
30-years ago.
Cure is heinous hope.  Death is the cure, and there is no hope against
death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at
okiebenz...
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

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clay wrote:
> I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the person 
> to make their peace.
>

That is the route my wife has settled in her mind after watching her
mom die 20 years ago.  That stuff is waaay to unaffordable.  Eat right
and make peace.
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[clay]

I am of the opinion that the treatment is much worse than allowing the person 
to make their peace.  The chemicals and radiation kill the patient unless it is 
stage one.  All the treatment seems to do is to keep the victim on the edge of 
death while insurance companies payout the mightily overpriced procedures.  The 
drugs are pushed as generic treatment, instead of being used in a targeted 
fashion for specific cancers.  

If there were to ever be a cure, that would ruin the cancer economy of drugs, 
nurses, treatment centers, and research programs.  Much like the snit the 
Kalifornia energy companies are tossing over rooftop PV ruining their profits 
because there is not cash flowing in for them.  Or the idiocy of the 
Republicans shooting down astroid capture.  Do they not have any idea the 
profits big mining will reap when they figure out how to do it?  Kill the 
golden goose, and there goes your cash for future elections.  Those astroid 
miners would pay handsomely to get their hands on that stuff.

rant over

clay


On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

> Mike wrote:
>> Many folks
>> may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
>> than being subjected to chemo and radiation.
> 
>> Cancer sucks.  Greedy @#$%&#?@ people that keep people from a potential
>> cure over tax money suck worse.
> 
> My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated.  6-months later he was
> dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch...
> 30-years ago.
> Cure is heinous hope.  Death is the cure, and there is no hope against
> death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at
> okiebenz...
> mao
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Rick wrote:
> If a person wants to live as healthy a life as possible...

Your list forgot one important health care element.
Do Not visit the health care system.  The objective of health care is
Not to provide cure or treatment - their objective is to find
problems.  Not unlike I do with my 3-pedal W123.
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Mountain Man]

Mike wrote:
> Many folks
> may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
> than being subjected to chemo and radiation.

> Cancer sucks.  Greedy @#$%&#?@ people that keep people from a potential
> cure over tax money suck worse.

My wife's cousin had cancerous leg amputated.  6-months later he was
dead, as the cancer spread via circulatory system, or somesuch...
30-years ago.
Cure is heinous hope.  Death is the cure, and there is no hope against
death, well... not unless you want to dialog banned material here at
okiebenz...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

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On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

> How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. Treated 
> with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other environmental 
> issues.


Possibly a factor. Our livers process all the stuff we take into our bodies. It 
is an amazing organ that neutralizes toxins, synthesizes nutrients we lack... 
If we over exert our liver, yes, we will suffer the effects of mans influence 
on the food chain. 

If a person wants to live as healthy a life as possible, the following is a 
prescription. Don't drink alcohol to excess, no illicit drug use, eliminate 
tobacco use, eat a healthy diet, grow your own food if possible (don't 
fertilize with cat crap), exercise strenuously five or six days a week, don't 
frequent high crime areas (Chicago, Detroit, etc.) and drive a Mercedes Benz. 

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Rich Thomas]

Again, people are living longer than ever before, eating whatever they 
eat.  That even goes for the poor black women in SC who generally eat 
crap fried stuff, just like people here have done for 400 years here, 
and weigh 300+lb, and develop cancer (mostly breast for women) among 
other diseases like diabetes that complicates the cancer.  It is really 
bad among the black folks, due to poor medical care, diet, lifestyle, 
etc. but even with that they are living longer (although there are 
exceptions -- a black guy I knew, my age who died of throat cancer a 
coupla years ago [probably due to his fondness for smoking local dope] 
told me his grandmother, who had been a slave, lived to be 113 years 
old, and her sister was 110, and generally healthy until they died).


Rick has it right, but it also pays to watch what you eat, exercise, 
etc.  Even then it might get you reasonably young, like friends I have 
had who were in better physical condition than 95% of the population.  
Go figure.


--R



On 7/31/13 5:31 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

On 31/07/2013 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:


i think i've
read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
lifetime.


That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. 
Other causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be 
conquered becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in 
reducing other factors leading to disease.


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How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. 
Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other 
environmental issues.

The Lord only knows what we are eating and what it does to us.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

it's like dogs.  all our dogs seem to die of cancer, so we conclude that
dogs are prone to cancer.   then we wonder why dogs in other places seem to
live longer and have less cancer but can't quite get ourselves to accept
that maybe it is that we feed the dogs more carcinogens than they do in
other places

my feeling is that most disease is diet related


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 31/07/2013 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>
>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>>
>>  i think i've
>>> read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
>>> lifetime.
>>>
>>
>> That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other
>> causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered
>> becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other
>> factors leading to disease.
>>
>> Rick
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>>
> How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was.
> Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other
> environmental issues.
> The Lord only knows what we are eating and what it does to us.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Randy Bennell]

On 31/07/2013 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:


i think i've
read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
lifetime.


That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other 
causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered 
becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other factors 
leading to disease.

Rick
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How about the fact that food is not quite so organic as it once was. 
Treated with all sorts of chemicals and subject to all sorts of other 
environmental issues.

The Lord only knows what we are eating and what it does to us.

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

it may be longevity and better detection methods, but it may also be
somewhat due to the food we eat, where we live and the air we breathe.


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > i think i've
> > read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
> > lifetime.
>
>
> That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other
> causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered
> becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other
> factors leading to disease.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

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Bad seafood leads to Hep A.  I got same from eating tainted clams in
Piraeus back in 1973.

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> People (in the developed world) are living longer than ever, so all that
> stuff you mention arguably does not have a big effect on anything, and
> might even be increasing life expectancy.  I really don't worry about that
> stuff as it is more than offset by improvements in things that contribute
> to longevity.
>
> Cancer is becoming more prevalent due to most of the other things that
> would kill you (heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, cholesterol,
> etc.) are pretty much a non-factor with proper care and medication.  So,
> people live longer than they would have otherwise, and now have the
> opportunity to develop cancers when before they would have been dead from
> something else.  (That ignores those things that would arise in any case
> from other factors at a younger age)  Some of it is lifestyle, some is
> genetics, some is access to medical care, some is environmental, some is
> just shit happens (which is probably some combination of the above).  If
> you are a black woman in SC you have a higher chance of developing breast
> cancer than a professional white woman in Boston -- food, genetics, health
> care, lifestyle, etc.
>
> Again, "cure" is not generally a word that applies to cancer except in
> some limited circumstances/diseases.
>
> Right now hepatitis C is the biggest factor in the rise of cancer
> (collectively) -- leads to liver cancer and that will pretty much kill you
> sooner or later -- and hepC is on the rise.  So, avoid things that give you
> hepC (illegal drug use, tattoos, raw seafood, other things), get tested
> regularly for that and other things, and live your life by eating well,
> exercising, living well (which is not entirely money-dependent), and having
> fun.
>
> I don't know what you mean about that greed and tax money thing, it is a
> very complicated set of issues.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 7/31/13 1:00 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>> I think increases in cancer are a misleading statistic.  I do not disagree
>> that there is a lot of cancer out there but a lot of it went un-noticed
>> before more modern testing practices made it easier to find.  Many folks
>> may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
>> than being subjected to chemo and radiation.
>>
>> I also consider the idea that we subject ourselves to genetically modified
>> crops in our food, oil based plastics and clothing everywhere, more air
>> polution, poorer diet overall, phamaceutical drugs, illegal drugs, and on
>> and on on a much larger scale than say even 50 years ago.  Seems like that
>> can't be good and may be linked to a rise, if there is one, in cancer
>> rates.
>>
>> I know I hate seeing my friends and family suffer with it when I believe
>> there is a cure and/or a way to prevent it in the first place in an all
>> natural way.
>>
>> Cancer sucks.  Greedy @#$%&#?@ people that keep people from a potential
>> cure over tax money suck worse.
>>
>> Mike
>> On Jul 31, 2013 12:45 PM, "Rick Knoble"  wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>>>
>>> i think i've
 read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
 lifetime.

>>>
>>> That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other
>>> causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered
>>> becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other
>>> factors leading to disease.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Rich Thomas]

People (in the developed world) are living longer than ever, so all that 
stuff you mention arguably does not have a big effect on anything, and 
might even be increasing life expectancy.  I really don't worry about 
that stuff as it is more than offset by improvements in things that 
contribute to longevity.


Cancer is becoming more prevalent due to most of the other things that 
would kill you (heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, 
cholesterol, etc.) are pretty much a non-factor with proper care and 
medication.  So, people live longer than they would have otherwise, and 
now have the opportunity to develop cancers when before they would have 
been dead from something else.  (That ignores those things that would 
arise in any case from other factors at a younger age)  Some of it is 
lifestyle, some is genetics, some is access to medical care, some is 
environmental, some is just shit happens (which is probably some 
combination of the above).  If you are a black woman in SC you have a 
higher chance of developing breast cancer than a professional white 
woman in Boston -- food, genetics, health care, lifestyle, etc.


Again, "cure" is not generally a word that applies to cancer except in 
some limited circumstances/diseases.


Right now hepatitis C is the biggest factor in the rise of cancer 
(collectively) -- leads to liver cancer and that will pretty much kill 
you sooner or later -- and hepC is on the rise.  So, avoid things that 
give you hepC (illegal drug use, tattoos, raw seafood, other things), 
get tested regularly for that and other things, and live your life by 
eating well, exercising, living well (which is not entirely 
money-dependent), and having fun.


I don't know what you mean about that greed and tax money thing, it is a 
very complicated set of issues.


--R


On 7/31/13 1:00 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

I think increases in cancer are a misleading statistic.  I do not disagree
that there is a lot of cancer out there but a lot of it went un-noticed
before more modern testing practices made it easier to find.  Many folks
may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
than being subjected to chemo and radiation.

I also consider the idea that we subject ourselves to genetically modified
crops in our food, oil based plastics and clothing everywhere, more air
polution, poorer diet overall, phamaceutical drugs, illegal drugs, and on
and on on a much larger scale than say even 50 years ago.  Seems like that
can't be good and may be linked to a rise, if there is one, in cancer rates.

I know I hate seeing my friends and family suffer with it when I believe
there is a cure and/or a way to prevent it in the first place in an all
natural way.

Cancer sucks.  Greedy @#$%&#?@ people that keep people from a potential
cure over tax money suck worse.

Mike
On Jul 31, 2013 12:45 PM, "Rick Knoble"  wrote:


On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:


i think i've
read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
lifetime.


That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other
causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered
becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other
factors leading to disease.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Michael Canfield]

I think increases in cancer are a misleading statistic.  I do not disagree
that there is a lot of cancer out there but a lot of it went un-noticed
before more modern testing practices made it easier to find.  Many folks
may have led a decent life if the tumor had been just left alone rather
than being subjected to chemo and radiation.

I also consider the idea that we subject ourselves to genetically modified
crops in our food, oil based plastics and clothing everywhere, more air
polution, poorer diet overall, phamaceutical drugs, illegal drugs, and on
and on on a much larger scale than say even 50 years ago.  Seems like that
can't be good and may be linked to a rise, if there is one, in cancer rates.

I know I hate seeing my friends and family suffer with it when I believe
there is a cure and/or a way to prevent it in the first place in an all
natural way.

Cancer sucks.  Greedy @#$%&#?@ people that keep people from a potential
cure over tax money suck worse.

Mike
On Jul 31, 2013 12:45 PM, "Rick Knoble"  wrote:

> On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
>
> > i think i've
> > read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
> > lifetime.
>
>
> That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other
> causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered
> becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other
> factors leading to disease.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Rick Knoble]

On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:06 AM, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:

> i think i've
> read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
> lifetime.


That is correct. I attribute it to people living longer in general. Other 
causes of morbidity have been eliminated, so what remains to be conquered 
becomes predominant. Lifestyle changes are the key in reducing other factors 
leading to disease. 

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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Gary Hurst]

my thought is not so much curing cancer as preventing it.  i think i've
read that half of us in the USA are expected to get cancer in our
lifetime.  this basically means getting cancer is normal, which seems
obscene to me and not consistent with my understanding of the historical
record


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> You can't yet think of a "cure" for cancer as that is not really how it
> works (sorta, with some exceptions, sorta).  The idea is to beat it down
> and keep it down if possible, which, sadly, is not yet generally possible.
>  Progress is measured in very small incremental steps measured in fractions
> of a percent in 1year, 5 year, etc. survival.  It does add up though.
>
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>
> On Jul 30, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Craig  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:24:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>  wrote:
>
> > Sure hope nobody hoped he got it.
> > All kidding aside that sucks and you would have thought they would have
> > found a cure by now.
>
> Cancer is a tough nut to crack. Normal cells have surface friction that
> helps hold them in place. The surfaces of cancer cells have much reduced
> surface friction; that's why they can travel around on their own (or as
> the medical types say, metastasize).
>
> I read something in the last week or so about some breakthrough, but I
> don't remember exactly what it was.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Michael Canfield]

Look up Rick Simpson Oil.

Mike
On Jul 30, 2013 10:57 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:24:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>  wrote:
>
> > Sure hope nobody hoped he got it.
> > All kidding aside that sucks and you would have thought they would have
> > found a cure by now.
>
> Cancer is a tough nut to crack. Normal cells have surface friction that
> helps hold them in place. The surfaces of cancer cells have much reduced
> surface friction; that's why they can travel around on their own (or as
> the medical types say, metastasize).
>
> I read something in the last week or so about some breakthrough, but I
> don't remember exactly what it was.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Treating cancer [was Re: Roger?]

[Rich Thomas]

You can't yet think of a "cure" for cancer as that is not really how it works 
(sorta, with some exceptions, sorta).  The idea is to beat it down and keep it 
down if possible, which, sadly, is not yet generally possible.  Progress is 
measured in very small incremental steps measured in fractions of a percent in 
1year, 5 year, etc. survival.  It does add up though.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Jul 30, 2013, at 10:57 PM, Craig  wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:24:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> Sure hope nobody hoped he got it.
> All kidding aside that sucks and you would have thought they would have
> found a cure by now.

Cancer is a tough nut to crack. Normal cells have surface friction that
helps hold them in place. The surfaces of cancer cells have much reduced
surface friction; that's why they can travel around on their own (or as
the medical types say, metastasize).

I read something in the last week or so about some breakthrough, but I
don't remember exactly what it was.


Craig

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