[VOT] Need some info from people who do contract work on a regular basis
Please excuse this very off-topic post but I know that several people on this list do regular Perl contract work and I could use some advise from a few of them at the moment. I've bcc'd the list so hopefully that will prevent any replies from going back to the list, but just to be sure, if you do reply, please be sure to send it only to me. If you'd like the answers to my question just drop me a message and I'll send you a summary. Now, on to the meat and potatoes. I've been working on a project for a client for the past 7.5 months. The project entails building a web site that is similar to TurboTax online except this site deals with estate planning (Wills, Trusts, Power of Attorney docs, etc.). You could also think of it as a web-based version of Quicken Family Lawyer. (The client is not Intuit, though, unfortunately.) I was told that I needed to build a system where users would register for the site and enter some basic biographical and familial information. They then would have access to a suite of wizards that would ask them questions whose answers would provide the data for specific estate planning forms. After completing the wizard, the user would be shown a completed document in PDF format that could be printed or saved. The user could later go back and edit the information they entered and change the document as needed. I was given 20 or so Word documents that were templates for all the estate planning documents. To me the project was quite easy. Turn the word documents into some sort of intermediate format (HTML) with blanks for the data (I used abiword), fill in the blanks when the document was requested and then use a html2pdf program to create the resulting pdf file. Of course, there was also some database work for registering users, displaying the wizards, storing answers, etc. We bid the project as 160 hours (80 for programming, 80 for site design (including a flash animation)) at $125/hour for a total of $20K. I quickly finished the the word-html-pdf portion of the contract. When I showed the client how things worked I was told that that was not how things needed to work. The client told me that the structure and the content of each document would change depending on the users answers. For example, if the user only had 3 children, a table listing child information would only contain three rows instead of the 5 rows that the blank template had. Or, whole sections of the document might be removed based on a users answer. Now this was a whole other beast than what I had originally bid on but my company needed the money and there wasn't any other contracts for me to work on so we agreed to do the project as she was now describing it without changing the contract or charging her any additional amount. So, over the next few months, I began converting the word documents into XML documents with my own tags, wrote an XML processing engine that converted the XML documents into PDFs (using PDFLib), including the handling of conditional and looping tags and created a library for writing HTML wizards. Over the last 7 months the client has constantly complained about the project not being done in the two months she was promised (though she's not being billed for the additional 5 months I've been working on it). Now, she's telling me that the project manager who she first spoke to about this project (who is no longer working here) told her the project would include credit card validation and processing for registering members and a la carte purchasing of individual documents. She owes $4600 on completion of the project and I plan on completing what I consider the remainder of the project (none of the e-commerce stuff) and asking for her final payment. Now, here's the kicker. The contract that the project manager wrote for this job is about as vague as you can get. It basically says we're going to build her a web site and she's going to pay us $20K. So, if either one of us decides to take the other to court, I don't think anybody would have a leg to stand on based on the contract. So, what I'm looking for from anybody who does Perl contract work (or any web contract work for that matter) is a quick dirty bid for what you would have charged to do this project. In summary, here's what you're bidding on: A database back-ended registration system. Conversion of Word docs to some some of templating system with formatting identifiers, looping constructs, conditional constructs (based on user supplied data). Web-based wizards for data acquisition and storage in a database. An engine to parse the templates, fill in the blanks with the user-supplied data and render the templates as PDF files. Thanks for any and all help you can provide, Jason Bodnar -- Jason Bodnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gocho Networks Flanders: Homer, affordable tract housing made us neighbors, but you made us friends. Homer: To Ned Flanders, the richest left-handed man in town. When Flanders
ANNOUNCE: Apache-AuthenCache-0.04.tar.gz
Special thanks to Christian Gilmore who did a partial rewrite to switch the cache to IPC::Cache, clean up code, and remove the logging of passwords. -FW: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:11:05 +0100 From: PAUSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Bodnar [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPAN Upload: J/JB/JBODNAR/Apache-AuthenCache-0.04.tar.gz The uploaded file Apache-AuthenCache-0.04.tar.gz has entered CPAN as file: $CPAN/authors/id/J/JB/JBODNAR/Apache-AuthenCache-0.04.tar.gz size: 4385 bytes md5: 2984cc8c6aedf033701275bca0f393ca No action is required on your part Request entered by: JBODNAR (Jason Bodnar) Request entered on: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:10:14 GMT Request completed: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:11:05 GMT Virtually Yours, Id: paused,v 1.72 2000/12/26 15:12:53 k Exp k --End of forwarded message- -- Jason Bodnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gocho Networks Marge, this ticket doesn't just give me a seat. It also gives me the right -- no, the duty -- to make a complete ass of myself. -- Homer Simpson Dancin' Homer
RE: Help needed with MAP expression
It takes a reference to an array, and checks to see if each element of the
arry only contains one or more "."s or digits, if it does it calls the td()
function with parameters, returning the result, if not, it returns the element.
I think.
On 07-Dec-2000 bari wrote:
Hi there,
Can any one help me what this MAP function does...
map(/^[\.\d]+$/ ? td({-align='right'}, $_) : td($_), @$_)
I am really confused by this one... your help would be appreciated..
Thank You,
- Bari
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WANTED: mod_perl consulting work
While my new company is busy acquiring investment money so we can develop or real product I'm looking for some short term mod_perl consulting work to help fund the company. Preferably the work will be telecommuting or in the Austin, TX area. A brief synopsis of my qualifications: 5 years of Perl programming 3 years of mod_perl programming 3 years of Embperl programming Authored three Apache/mod_perl modules (Apache::AuthenCache, Apache::DBILogConfig, Apache::ProxyStuff) Lead web developer at www.Austin360.com (1996-1998) Senior Engineer/Team Lead at Tivoli Systems (1998-2000) Senior Engineer/Researcher at TeamLinux (2000) So, if you need any Perl/mod_perl/Embperl development work drop me a line and will work something out. Thanks. -- Jason Bodnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gocho Networks Homer: I don't want you to see me sitting on my worthless butt. Bart: We've seen it, Dad. Homer at the Bat - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Remote Hosting
Take a look at Apache::ProxyStuff. It may do exactly what you want and if it doesn't it'll give you some ideas on how to do what you want. On 26-Sep-2000 Allen Wilson wrote: Does anyone have an idea of how to set up a remote host request. I am attempting to set up a web system where the user makes a request and it is process from one server to another. The remote server will return a file that will be formatted in a web page. I already have the formatting done...it is the connection and requesting from the remote server giving me the problem. I tried to run the remote shell (remsh ) but that failed. Any ideas would be appreciate. Allen -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux If there was any justice, my face would be on a bunch of crappy merchandise! -- Homer Simpson Flaming Moe's
RE: canned footers
It may not be exactly what you're looking for but try looking at Apache::Sandwich or Apache::ProxyStuff On 16-Aug-2000 Alex Menendez wrote: hello, all I am trying to write a module that generates a canned footer for all html and cgi pages on my site. the html part is pretty easy and I have already implemented it. However, I am currently having trouble adding it to standalone cgi scripts that are not parsed by the server. I have tried a number of variations with mod_perl subrequests but none of them seem to work right. I also thought about reading the scripts contents in the module and using eval. However, that seems a little cumbersome. Have any of you implemented such thing before? Any ideas? -amen -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux It's okay, Marge. I've learned my lesson. A mountain of sugar is too much for one man. It's clear now why God portions it out in those tiny packets, and why he lives on a plantation in Hawaii. -- Homer Simpson Lisa's Rival
Re: canned footers
Take a look at Apache::ProxyStuff. It requires you set another server (can be virtual) but it doesn't care about methods or content type. On 16-Aug-2000 Alex Menendez wrote: Your right. this works great for html! Unfortunately, however, Apache sandwich really does not work for me because it only deals with GET requests and it can not deal with cgi requests directly. I would need to alter my cgi's in order to use sandwich. I am looking for a mod_perl solution that will add footers to unaltered stand alone cgis. any other ideas out there? thanx, -amen "Bruce W. Hoylman" wrote: Have you looked at Apache::Sandwich from CPAN? It is easy to implement and I have used it for awhile now to add confidentiality headers and footers to pages in a small to medium site. cpan m /Apache::Sandwich/ Module id = Apache::Sandwich CPAN_USERID VKHERA (Vivek Khera [EMAIL PROTECTED]) CPAN_VERSION 2.04 CPAN_FILEV/VK/VKHERA/Apache-Sandwich-2.04.tar.gz MANPAGE Apache::Sandwich - Layered document (sandwich) maker INST_FILE/opt/gnu/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/Apache/Sandwich.pm INST_VERSION 2.04 It could most certainly be use as a basis for your needs and requirements. Peace. -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Marge: We're just going to have to cut down on luxuries. Homer: Well, you know, we're always buying Maggie vaccinations for diseases she doesn't even have. Lisa's Pony
Re: canned footers
On 16-Aug-2000 Vivek Khera wrote: "BWH" == Bruce W Hoylman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BWH Have you looked at Apache::Sandwich from CPAN? It is easy to implement BWH and I have used it for awhile now to add confidentiality headers and BWH footers to pages in a small to medium site. The only real trick is that you are responsible for the resulting "sandwich" to be valid HTML. Apache::Sandwich does not insert headers/footers in the right place within a complete HTML document. It just pastes text files together. Apache::ProxyStuff puts the headers and footers where they belong in the HTML document so you can use existing content and even modify the BODY attributes to meet your needs. -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux I'm tired of being a wanna-be league bowler, I wanna be a league bowler! -- Homer Simpson Team Homer
RE: Adding an entry into .htpasswd
CPAN is your friend: http://search.cpan.org/doc/KMELTZ/Apache-Htpasswd-1.3/Htpasswd.pm On 14-Aug-2000 Shuba Simha wrote: Can anybody tell me if there is any way to add an entry into ".htpasswd" from a perl script, without getting prompted for the password? Meaning..I have the password in a variable(say $new_pass), want to change the password of a particular user from old_pass to $new_pass. How can this be done through the script, without getting the prompt to "Type new password"? Any help ASAP is very much appreciated. Thanks.. Shuba -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Rock 'n' Roll had become stagnant. `Achy Breaky Heart' was seven years away. Something had to fill the void, and that something was barbershop. -- Homer Simpson Homer's Barbershop Quartet
RE: Expect Problem
You've got the wrong mailing list. This list is for the discussion of the
mod_perl Apache module. You probably want to contact the module author or try
comp.lang.perl.misc or comp.lang.perl.modules or comp.lang.perl.moderated. Or
maybe even www.perlmonks.org.
On 02-Aug-2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm using the Expect module to perform some shell commands to automate some
processing, but for some reason I'm not able to perform an "rm" function as
I would from a shell prompt. All I want to do is to delete all of the files
in the directory without a prompt or without using a recursive option. The
command I would like to execute would be like the following shell command
for a remove of all files starting with I*, i*, x*, y*, etc. The command
that I would normally use would be rm /directory/[Iixy]* and this works. I
have the same code included in my script, yet the "rm" doesn't seem to want
to execute. Note that the before buffer contains the copy and the "rm".
The files get copied without any problem and I can substitute the rm with
another command and it seems to execute. Why is "rm" any different?
Any suggestions, comments or other would be greatly appreciated.
Sample Code:
print "\n Start of the copy process $TFTPCopy -- $BackupDirectory \n\n";
$command-debug(2); unless ($InvalidSwitch){ # Copy the files
$CopyMembers=$TFTPCopy."[Iixyz]*";
print $command "cp $CopyMembers $BackupDirectory\n";
unless ($command-expect(undef,"")){ # Copy failed
print " ** \"\" copy failed \n";
print " BACKUP FAILED\n ";
die "FATAL Error $TFTPServer";
}
}
print "\n Delete All $CopyMembers in the $TFTPCopy directory \n ";
print " execute the command rm $CopyMembers \r\n\r";
unless ($InvalidSwitch){ # Copy the files
print $command "rm $CopyMembers\n"; # Set the enable
unless ($command-expect(undef,"")){ # Copy failed
$PrintMsg1= "** Delete of members failed \n";
$PrintMsg2= "Delete of the files in the $TFTPCopy Failed \n";
PrintFailure(); # Print Failure Routine
die "FATAL Error $TFTPServer";
PrintFailure(); # Print Failure Routine
}
}
PrintFailure(); # Print Failure Routine
}
"Killed after the delete \n";} # End of the CopyToBackup
Diagnostic Display :
shvop701shvop701 Start of the copy process /home/tftpuser/ --
/tmp/tftpbackup Beginning expect from spawn id(5).
Accumulator: 'shvop701'
Expect timeout time: unlimited seconds.
expect: Pty=spawn id(5), time=965236546, loop_time=undef
Matched pattern 1 ('')!
Before match string: 'shvop701'
Match string: ''
After match string: ''
Returning from expect successfully.
Accumulator: ''
Delete All /home/tftpuser/[Iixyz]* in the /home/tftpuser/ directory
execute the command rm /home/tftpuser/[Iixyz]*
Beginning expect from spawn id(5).
Accumulator: ''
Expect timeout time: unlimited seconds.
expect: Pty=spawn id(5), time=965236546, loop_time=undef
expect: handle spawn id(5) ready.
expect: read 44 byte(s) from spawn id(5).
cp /home/tftpuser/[Iixyz]* /tmp/tftpbackup
expect: handle spawn id(5) ready.
expect: read 28 byte(s) from spawn id(5).
rm /home/tftpuser/[Iixyz]*
expect: handle spawn id(5) ready.
expect: read 11 byte(s) from spawn id(5).
shvop701Matched pattern 1 ('')!
Before match string: 'cp /home/tftpuser/[Iixyz]* /tmp/tftpbackup\r\nrm
/home/tftpuser/[Iixyz]*\r\nshvop701'
Match string: ''
After match string: ''
Returning from expect successfully.
Accumulator: ''
**
++ FAILURE of EXPECT + **
Values of the match()
Before(cp /home/tftpuser/[Iixyz]* /tmp/tftpbackup
rm /home/tftpuser/[Iixyz]*
shvop701)
After() **
Killed before the delete
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RE: [OT] Abstract-Database Class
Look at Michael Schwern's Class::DBI on CPAN.
On 28-Jul-2000 Michael Nachbaur wrote:
Warn priority="low"
warning class="Off Topic"/
warning class="Long"/
/Warn
I'm not exactly sure where to send this, but here it goes:
Has anyone completed/started an abstract database class at all? I've written
some for very specific applications, but I want a more general-purpose tool.
I'm about to start development on one, but wanted to get feedback from the
world-at-large to see what features you would want first (or if anyone has
already started one).
The classes I've created/used before, are like:
my $order = new Order( oid = '1234567' );
$order-fetch();
foreach my $order_line ( $order-Lines ) {
print $order_line-Description, $order_line-Price;
}
I'd like to interact with a database, update data, save data, etc. without
having to actually call any SQL code. And, if I modify my database schema,
I'd like the classes to automatically adapt.
The way I've done this before, is create a series of classes with AUTOLOAD
subs in them which intercept the name of the method being called, and then
updating that specific field in the record.
How I"d like to implement it would be to define an XML file with represents
the way my data is structured in the database. This way, the objects can
determine when to cache data, and when to commit its values to the database
for maximum efficiency. An example could be:
schema name="mp3_site" database="DB0" database_vendor="Oracle"
database_version="8.1.5" username="nachbaur" password="you_wish"
table name="artist" primary_key="id"
field name="name" type="varchar" size="256" options="not null"
/table
table name="album" primary_key="id"
field name="parent_id" references="artist" options="not null"/
field name="name" type="varchar" size="256" options="not null"/
field name="image" type="varchar" size="4000" /
/table
table name="track" primary_key="id"
field name="parent_id" references="album" options="not null"/
field name="name" type="varchar" size="256" options="not null"/
field name="filename" type="varchar" size="4000"/
field name="filesize" type="integer"/
/table
/schema
Now, obviously thats not that perfect of an example (but I"m in a hurry,
'cause I need to go get some coffee), but it illustrates that the class could
import that XML file, which defines the way it should interpret data. So, it
could fetch a particular record, and depending on how you tell it to operate,
it could suck down all the data that the inital record refers to, or could
retrieve it as-needed.
It may not operate as efficiently as possible by default, but would give much
more flexibility to the programmer. I know that when I'm lazy, I don't want
to bind all my values, and make sure I'm using optimized SQL statements
(explain plan, and that sorta thing). With this, I could "pre-define" SQL
statements in this XML file that are pre-optimized, and I can just say:
$db-run('do_really_scarry_join', %options);
Sory for the long message. Would anyone like a module like this, or would I
be just wasting my time? Anyone already have something like this? Any
feedback would be appreciated (except flames and spam).
--man
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RE: [is it time for something other than html?] RE: Templating s
I could go off about why HTML sucks for dynamic page caching. If there was somehow a way to cache say the template, leaving only the same dynamic portion uncached, it would certainly help things along quite a bit. If anyone knows of a good way of doing this I would certainly be interested in hearing it. There is. Use HTML::Embperl. I've been using it for several years now. I build objects for accessing any data I need and then do simple things in my templates like: H2[+ $forum-title +]/H2 -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux If it'll make you feel any better, I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead. -- Homer Simpson Homer and Apu
RE: [is it time for something other than html?] RE: Templating s
On 27-Jul-2000 Jauder Ho wrote: No. The problem is that you cannot cache the subsequent page that is generated because of the dynamic component. The template is always going to remain the same (interface changes should be rare for a stable web site), but the content (say news headlines or personalized component) is going to be dynamic. It is not reasonable to expect to cache that entire page. So what I am saying is that using HTML for such purposes is fundamentally broken unless we can figure out to tag a region of an html file as non-cachable i.e. dynamic. All the HTML is chached. Are you saying you want to cache everything including the output of dynamic components? If so, then just stick squid in front of your server. And as I replied to another reply about this, embedding code in a HTML file strikes me as an inelegant solution plus it leads to all sorts of problems such as html "designers" that delete tags for whatever reason. I know that the correct solution is to lart them but we can't always do that no matter how much we would like to :). If you've got designers deleting tags then you need to educate them or fire them. You cannot be flexible on that issue. Also, embedding code in HTML is no different then putting arbitrary tags that some of the "templating" solutions use. My last job was with Tivoli Systems and I used HTML::Embperl with great success in several applications including ones that involved "designers" going in and modifying pages with embedded perl code. On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could go off about why HTML sucks for dynamic page caching. If there was somehow a way to cache say the template, leaving only the same dynamic portion uncached, it would certainly help things along quite a bit. If anyone knows of a good way of doing this I would certainly be interested in hearing it. There is. Use HTML::Embperl. I've been using it for several years now. I build objects for accessing any data I need and then do simple things in my templates like: H2[+ $forum-title +]/H2 -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux If it'll make you feel any better, I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead. -- Homer Simpson Homer and Apu -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night! They just plain sucked! I've seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked! -- Homer Simpson Team Homer
Re: [is it time for something other than html?] RE: Templating s
On 27-Jul-2000 Jauder Ho wrote: The template may be kept in memory but it needs to be reparsed to insert real values, no? What I would like to see is a way to say the template is static (header/footer) and does not need to be reparse/regenerated each time and comparitively small portion of the page be dynamic. This way, you can also store the html on the front end web server or akamize it and concentrate on having the app servers provide only the actual data. The template does not have to reparsed every time. At least with Embperl, the cached p-code is re-executed but that's it. If you want to store headers and footers on a seperate machine and wrap them around dynamic content take a look at my Apache::ProxyStuff module. It doesn't cache the headers and footers but that feature would be quite easy to add. --Jauder PS. I guess now that I think more about it, we can accomplish this with frames but that's a whole other story :) On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Jauder Ho wrote: If there was somehow a way to cache say the template, leaving only the same dynamic portion uncached, it would certainly help things along quite a bit. If anyone knows of a good way of doing this I would certainly be interested in hearing it. I believe every single one of the solutions discussed caches templates, most of them as compiled perl code. - Perrin -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals. Except the weasel. -- Homer Simpson Boy-Scoutz n the Hood
Re: Templating System
On 27-Jul-2000 Joshua Chamas wrote: I agree with your thoughts completely. One of the reasons why I built Apache::ASP was that ASP is a widely used standard, albeit one that Microsoft developed. I wanted to be able to leverage the mindshare of ASP scripters from a templating standpoint, and this is part of the reason why I didn't run with Embperl in the first place. That doesn't make sense. Granted, Embperl isn't any kind of standard, but any Perl programmer should be able to pickup Embperl in a day or so and Perl is pretty much THE standard for CGI-based web development. -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Woman: Your son was trespassing on my property and destroyed a very valuable stone gargoyle, and -- Are you wearing a grocery bag? Homer: I have misplaced my pants. Bart After Dark
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
PHP does not require mod_perl. They are completely seperate (and often do not like each other when loaded as DSOs). On 26-Jul-2000 Erich L. Markert wrote: This is also comparing apples and oranges since PHP requires mod_perl... A better comparison would be HTMLEmbperl vs. PHP Or mod_perl vs. java server pages, ASP, etc... -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Oooh ... maca-ma-damia nuts. -- Homer Simpson Bart's Dog Gets an F
RE: Newbie Installation Problem
On 25-Jul-2000 Adelaide Yip wrote: ModPerl 1.24 configures fine on Redhat 6.2, but sometimes during it's installation I receive this error ... Warning: You do not have permissions to install into /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-linux at /usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/ExtUtils/Install.pm line 61. mkdir /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-linux/auto/Apache/include: Permission denied at /usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/ExtUtils/Install.pm line 114 make: *** [pure_site_install] Error 2 The error says it all. You don't have permissions to install into the standard perl lib directory. You probably need to be root. If you want to install somewhere other than the standard lib directory than you need to add: PREFIX=/tmp/foo/bar to your ./configure command. -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Homer: I keep hearing this horrible irregular thumping noise. Pump Jockey: It's your heart. And I think it's on its last thump. Homer: Whew, I was afraid it was my transmission. Homer's Triple Bypass
RE: Perl as DSO...whats wrong with it, specifically?
I run mod_perl as a DSO without a problem. Just don't try to mix it with php as a DSO. On 25-Jul-2000 Michael Nachbaur wrote: I'm working with IBM (sorry! Its not my choice!) to try to get mod_perl compiled into their custom version of Apache, and their techs want to know why I can't run mod_perl as a DSO. So, I need to know, whats specifically wrong with it? Like, what are the repurcussions of it? This is going to be run under a lot of load as well. Thanks for your feedback in advance. --man Michael A. Nachbaur (KE6WIA) mnachba(at)rei(dot)com mike(at)nachbaur(dot)com http://www.nachbaur.com "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Uh, so. Let's have a conversation. Uh, I think we'll find that we have very little in common. -- Homer Simpson The Last Temptation of Homer
RE: Newbie Installation Problem
The permissions problems don't appear to be with the ExtUtils directory. It's trying to mkdir /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-linux/auto/Apache/include. Somewhere among those directories you don't have permission. And, I misspoke before about PREFIX. First, PREFIX doesn't do everything correctly. You need to use 'LIB=/tmp/foo/bar INSTALLMAN3DIR=/tmp/foo/bar/man'. Second, PREFIX, LIB or whatever for mod_perl needs to be added to 'perl Makefile.PL' as so: perl Makefile.PL whatever mod_perl/apache options you're setting LIB=/tmp/foo/bar INSTALLMAN3DIR=/tmp/foo/bar/man On 25-Jul-2000 Adelaide Yip wrote: I tried doing PREFIX=/usr (I'm using Redhat layout), but still the same error. I also checked the permissions and I did have write permissions to /usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/ExtUtils/ . Thing is, I installed with no problems yesterday using the same method as today and now it suddenly has an error. Anyways, thanks for your time Jason. Adelaide =) On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: On 25-Jul-2000 Adelaide Yip wrote: ModPerl 1.24 configures fine on Redhat 6.2, but sometimes during it's installation I receive this error ... Warning: You do not have permissions to install into /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-linux at /usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/ExtUtils/Install.pm line 61. mkdir /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-linux/auto/Apache/include: Permission denied at /usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/ExtUtils/Install.pm line 114 make: *** [pure_site_install] Error 2 The error says it all. You don't have permissions to install into the standard perl lib directory. You probably need to be root. If you want to install somewhere other than the standard lib directory than you need to add: PREFIX=/tmp/foo/bar to your ./configure command. -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Homer: I keep hearing this horrible irregular thumping noise. Pump Jockey: It's your heart. And I think it's on its last thump. Homer: Whew, I was afraid it was my transmission. Homer's Triple Bypass -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Homer: Ooh, look at this one! The Hammer of Thor! (Reading) "It will send your pins to ... Valhalla?" Lisa? Lisa: Valhalla is where vikings go when they die. Homer: Ooh, that's some ball. The Telltale Head
RE: ORA conference
Well, perhaps we should organize an informal mod_perl BOF (Beer's Our Friend) Sunday night? Can anybody remember and recommend a bar or pub from last year? On 14-Jul-2000 Ahrendt, Robert wrote: I know you all don't know me but if you do find someting to do on sun. night (I.E. grab a beer or something). Let me know I should be in town around 10pm and have never been to Monterey so I don't know what's up. -Original Message- From: Jeffrey W. Baker To: Vivek Khera Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 7/14/00 10:52 AM Subject: Re: ORA conference On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: "MS" == Matt Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MS Does anyone know if all the events will be in the program, or should I MS start making entries in my palm pilot? I started to do that, then realized that I don't have a palm pilot and was actually writing on my palm. Most annoying, but effective, I guess. Anyone comeing to town Sunday? I gotta find something to do Sunday night... I'm coming down on Sunday. I'll be motorcycling, if anyone wants to join me for a ride from SF to Monterey. Cheers, Jeffrey -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Yeah. Wait a minute. It's the guy from TV. My kid's hero...Cruddy...Crummy...Krusty the Clown! -- Homer Simpson Krusty Gets Busted
RE: ORA conference
I think there was also a very cool British pub a few blocks from the conference ... On 14-Jul-2000 Biggs, Jody wrote: and once more, you guys probably don't know me, but... I remember there were a couple places out near the end of the pier - can't remember any names though... Place at the very end had a separate bar area, though it was really mainly a restaurant - the one I recall not as far down looked like it was a true bar/pub kind of place... I should be getting in around 8PM with three others from my company - Jody Biggs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:46 AM To: Ahrendt, Robert Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Vivek Khera; Jeffrey W. Baker Subject: RE: ORA conference Well, perhaps we should organize an informal mod_perl BOF (Beer's Our Friend) Sunday night? Can anybody remember and recommend a bar or pub from last year? On 14-Jul-2000 Ahrendt, Robert wrote: I know you all don't know me but if you do find someting to do on sun. night (I.E. grab a beer or something). Let me know I should be in town around 10pm and have never been to Monterey so I don't know what's up. -Original Message- From: Jeffrey W. Baker To: Vivek Khera Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 7/14/00 10:52 AM Subject: Re: ORA conference On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Vivek Khera wrote: "MS" == Matt Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MS Does anyone know if all the events will be in the program, or should I MS start making entries in my palm pilot? I started to do that, then realized that I don't have a palm pilot and was actually writing on my palm. Most annoying, but effective, I guess. Anyone comeing to town Sunday? I gotta find something to do Sunday night... I'm coming down on Sunday. I'll be motorcycling, if anyone wants to join me for a ride from SF to Monterey. Cheers, Jeffrey -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Yeah. Wait a minute. It's the guy from TV. My kid's hero...Cruddy...Crummy...Krusty the Clown! -- Homer Simpson Krusty Gets Busted -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Time to fertilize the lawn. A couple of 500-pound bags should do it! -- Homer Simpson Homer vs. Patty and Selma
RE: Idea of an apache module
Yes. It's Apache::Registry. On 12-Jul-2000 Luis Henrique Cassis Fagundes wrote: Hi, Recently I started to have problems in developing my CGIs because in my new job most of the servers run Netscape instead of Apache. The administrator told me that the reason is that Netscape has a better performance than Apache 1.3. I'm now developing a module that caches in disk dynamic generated pages, and an interface to delete parts of this cache when something is modified. Does anyone know if something like this has already been developed? Thanks. []s Luis -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Marge, you're my wife and I love you very much. But you're living in a world of makebelieve. With flowers and bells and leprechauns. And magic frogs with funny little hats... -- Homer Simpson Blood Feud
RE: Idea of an apache module
Sorry. I was attempting to answer what I thought was his real question. He mentioned performance of CGI scripts and so Apache::Registry would be the ideal choice. I don't think he wants to rewrite his CGIs so the template packages won't work for him. On 12-Jul-2000 Vivek Khera wrote: "j" == jbodnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: j Yes. It's Apache::Registry. No. Registry does not cache the generated pages. Try any of the standard "template" packages like Mason or AxKit. -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux It says it's for dogs, but she can't read. -- Homer Simpson Simpson's Roasting on an Open Fire
RE: Coldfusion vs. apache/mod_perl
I just left a company that used either mod_perl or coldfusion for our intranet development. I never did any coldfusion development but I did have to deal with maintaing the coldfusion server and apps. coldfusion crashed several times in the three or four months I was involved with it. We never could determine what the problem was. coldfusion (like Apache/mod_perl) eats memory. Our coldfusion processes usually used a total of 200MB of memory. coldfusion does not play well on unix (at least solaris). Allaire's site recommended changing some kernel parameters to get the best performance out of cold fusion. That was something we weren't willing to do on a box that had much more than CF running on it. To my knowledge, CF does not give you the power to mess with the web servers API like mod_perl does. You may or may not need this ability. IMHO, mod_perl applications easily out-performed our CF apps. One plus for coldfusion, there seems to be more CF developers out there (at least in Austin, TX) but that may be a sign that very few people are using CF. My opinion: stick to mod_perl, it won't let you down. On 05-Jul-2000 Bas wrote: Hi all, this is probably gonna be a longish one. It's about coldfusion vs. the combination of apache/mod_perl, I'm hoping to find some people on the list who have some experience with both, and who maybe faced a similar question. I've been searching the Net for a few days now to find opinions, but espec. in comparison to the apache/mod_perl combo, I couldn't find that much. Some intro: I work for a content syndication company; basically, we receive tons of different newsfeeds, we classify the content, both manually as well as automatically (based on fulltext and metadata queries), we add some extra content if it's not in the incoming data (for instance, we create a smaller version of a news story so it reads better on a WAP device), then we have quite a bit of distribution options: we do HTML, plain text, XML, using transports such as FTP, e-mail, HTTP Post, as well as host the news which customers can include dynamically in their website. The parts that involve website development are currently done exclusively using apache and mod_perl, this makes up about 35% of our overall system. Now, it seems that Allaire's product, Spectra, does offer us a solution to (parts of) our problems. I'm not sure yet exactly what problem it solves, we still have to establish that, but let's assume it does. Spectra is a product built using Allaire's ColdFusion. That means that if we have to add functionality to Spectra, we'll be using coldfusion to develop that. To assess coldfusion, I installed the eval version on one of our Linux boxes to explore it. Here are some of my observations: 1- "Code inside HTML" coldfusion's like PHP or ASP in that you embed most of your code inside HTML pages. I don't like it; I prefer to use some templating system that allows our HTML wizards to edit HTML, and our perl wizards to code perl. But let's not start that discussion: we've seen it before ;) 2- Feature comparison If I compary the features available in the coldfusion appserver with the available options for mod_perl, I don't see a lot of extra's: - session management We do that using our own Web::Session implementation (very much like Apache::Session). It can do that either using cookies or stick the session id in the URL. coldfusion seems to require cookies. - database connection pooling We use Apache::DBI; - Scheduled tasks We use cron; - Sending mail from within the appserver Tons of CPAN modules can do this. Great MIME stuff there too; - Retrieve web page and stick into local file This is a built-in feature of the appserver. lwp-mirror can do this just fine. - coldfusion can use COM (or is that ActiveX?) Apparently, there are a lot of those thingies to stick into coldfusion and use that from within your code. We run HP-UX; those won't work for us. - coldfusion can be clustered (apparently automagically) So far I haven't had the need to do this; our HP box with 4 processors never gets a load above 0.2. I assume with Apache running on a few boxes, some load-balancing hardware in front of those, and some URL rewriting and/or smarter session management, clustering could be accomplished as well. I doubt we need this though. If we do high volume content serving, I'll convert the dynamic content to static html or xml, ftp them over to a box running a non-mod_perl Apache and serve 'm from there. I never measured this too well, I think it did something like 400 reqs/second on Intel hardware running Linux. 3- Complexity of layers (or would those be called 'tiers'?) With mod_perl, I have to make sure Apache runs (Ok; I need to get the stuff compiled too. I can do that. By now ;)), so far, I haven't seen Apache go down ever. With coldfusion, aside from Apache, I have to make
