Re: [osdcmy] good talk from DefCon on Social Engineering

[zarul shahrin]

At 19:20 of the video, this hacker showed he was in Malaysia. So PDRM's
> cybersecurity, if there is one, should take note. :(
>
>It's a hotel, a private property. There is nothing much
PDRM/Cybersecurity can do about it (Heck, they should focus on .gov servers
keep getting pwned by kiddies rather than worrying about something like
this). Some hotels in Malaysia have been pwned over and over again by some
of the HITB participants/speakers and too many times they have informed
about the flaws. But too often they took it for granted.

The good news is, the fact that they are in the video, it means they hired
him for the job.

- Zarul



> And this leads to one lesson - a prophet is never accepted in his own
> land. It is best he wrecks havoc in foreign lands. :)
>
> Greetings from Sao Paulo.
>
>
> On 2/7/12 8:15 PM, Boh Yap wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> to you hackers, err.. security experts out there
>>
>> http://vimeo.com/28284322
>>
>>
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[osdcmy] Django Developer

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Does anyone know any good django developer working as freelancer in KL?


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Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one youlearn the logic and flow of programming

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I would like to disagree on this part. There is no need for them to get
themselves updated with the latest programming languages or trend. Even if
they teach COBOL and PASCAL in school today, I think that is something very
good. It is not about teaching them how to use the language to develop
software, it's about teaching them the concept.

We have too many coders today who know how to write software, but fail
miserably when it comes to quality. Why? Because when they started to learn
programming, they learned how to build software with the programming
language rather than the science behinds it.


Best Regards,

Zarul Shahrin


On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>
>> Make me wonder what happen with Computer Education in Malaysia
>>
>
> Do you think it's a problem with Computer Education in Malaysia?
>
> I think it's a benefit of the IT field, and programming specifically.  My
> reason for working in IT is that I must always continue learning.  It keeps
> it interesting.
>
> I don't think schools could keep up anyway.  It's the same in the US.
> Schools can't keep up with trends in programming.  If they tried, it would
> be an unstable curriculum, changing course materials every semester.
>
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Re: [osdcmy] What Programming Language you start with? The one you learn the logic and flow of programming

[zarul shahrin]

Me me me!! I learned to program through MIRC scripting and my first program
was an auto-kick script. Frankly speaking - It was also the one that
introduced me to the Linux world and made me replace my Windows 98 with
Redhat 5 just a few weeks after getting my first computer. I was so obsessed
with MIRC Scripting and Psybnc that I decided to learn Linux so that I could
install bitchX and psybnc and also run my own IRC Server.

Best Regards,

Zarul Shahrin

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel <
> linuxmalay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Team
>>
>> What Programming Language you start with? The one you learn the logic
>> and flow of programming
>>
>
> Does basic on the TRS-80 Color Computer 3 in around 1988 count?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Color_Computer#Color_Computer_3_.281986.E2.80.931991.29
>
> How about Microsoft QuickBasic around 1990?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickBASIC
> The Wikipedia page says the last version was released in 1988, but I'm
> certain I didn't even have a computer that could run it until 1989.
> I actually bought the boxed version that would let me make EXE files...
> woohoo!! :)
>
> I didn't really start learning anything useful until I started with Perl in
> 2003, though.
>
> For someone starting today, I'd recommend Python.  The "batteries included"
> concept and strict coding style guidelines make it easier to work with and
> learn from existing code.
>
>
>
>> https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=question&id=2322588064704
>>
>> Its in Facebook Q&A module. Just for fun. You can answer by reply this
>> email.
>>
>> I never know  MIRC have script. Thats good, we can use any lang. to
>> learn programming.
>>
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[osdcmy] HITB Magazine #6

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Free knowledge - Ok lah tu... Kira free macam free software la jugak...


http://magazine.hackinthebox.org/issues/HITB-Ezine-Issue-006.pdf

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[osdcmy] Re: [ubuntu-my] FW: linuxmalaysia expired from team

[zarul shahrin]

RM 50 renewal fee. =D



On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Khairul Aizat Kamarudzzaman <
fen...@ubuntu.com> wrote:

> Haris,
> Mengapakah ? Why? Sengaja @ x sengaja?
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Khairul Aizat Kamarudzzaman
> http://launchpad.net/~fenris
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> +6012.659.5675
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>
>
> On 5/1/11 1:20 PM, "Ubuntu Members"  wrote:
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> >Hello Khairul Aizat Kamarudzzaman,
> >
> >The membership of LinuxMalaysia (linuxmalaysia) in the Ubuntu Members
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> >
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Re: [osdcmy] IBM releases HTML5 authoring tools

[zarul shahrin]

Hey bro,

Thank you so much for sharing. This is definitely something I would love to
take a look. Thank you again! =D


Best Regards,

Zarul Shahrin

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:38 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> http://maqetta.org/
>
> Quoted from the page
>
>  Maqetta is an open source project that provides WYSIWYG visual authoring
>> of HTML5 user interfaces. The Maqetta application itself is authored in
>> HTML, and therefore runs in the browser without requiring additional plugins
>> or downloads.
>
>
> It is originally developed by IBM, now they donate it to the dojo
> foundation.
>
> the github page is
>
> https://github.com/maqetta/maqetta
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Re: [osdcmy] how to trace information about a phishing website

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What kind of information do you need?



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[osdcmy] Looking for a PHP Programmer (Full Time / Part Time)

[zarul shahrin]

Good Day Everyone,


My friend from a local *Buddhist Organization is looking for a PHP
programmer (Part Time / Full Time). Please let me know if anyone is
interested (or if you know someone who might be interested). *
*
*
*• Proficient in PHP, HTML, CSS, JavaScript, XML, MySQL and Ajax programming
• Knowledge of Flash ActionScript, Dreamweaver, Photoshop and in CMS
(Wordpress and Wordpress plugin programming)
• Experience in deployment of website based on LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL,
PHP) *
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*Thanks!*
*
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*Best Regards,*
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Re: [osdcmy] Fwd: Majalah Sumbu #1 Dilepaskan!

[zarul shahrin]

LOL~! ^o^


2011/3/28 Raja Iskandar Shah 

> is it 'dilepaskan' or 'diterbitkan'  ?
>
> but most of all congrats
>
>
>
> 2011/3/28 Harisfazillah Jamel 
>
>> Satu lagi majalah Sumber Terbuka Malaysia.
>>
>> http://www.gumuu.com/p/qxqv
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Fahmi
>> Date: 2011/3/28
>> Subject: Majalah Sumbu #1 Dilepaskan!
>> To: Harisfazillah Jamel 
>>
>>
>> Salam...
>>
>> Majalah Sumbu #1 dah pun dikeluarkan. Majalah Sumbu merupakan majalah
>> hasil kolaberasi komuniti Jomlinux yang dijadualkan diterbit secara
>> bulanan.
>>
>> Sumbu adalah singkatan dari SUMber terBUka atau maksud Sumbu yang lain
>> adalah benang api-api. Kononnya, Sumbu akan menjadi majalah pencerahan
>> bagi mereka yang ingin mengenali sumber terbuka & Linux.
>>
>> Harap dapat sebar-sebarkan tentang ni pada rakan2, mailing list,blog dan
>> laman sosial.
>>
>> Utk maklumat lanjut, layari link ini @
>> http://www.jomlinux.com/2011/03/28/majalah-sumbu-1-dilepaskan/
>>
>> Fahmi
>> Jomlinux
>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Mirror Mirror For OSS in Malaysia

[zarul shahrin]

Ermm.. Inter-Distro meeting hari tu ada minutes tak?

Tak dapat pergi sebab ada meeting lain...



On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:

>
> For the 1U server, we can actually get something cheaper, such as lower
> than 1.5k.
> If possible, get a 1U server for 1k.
>
> The most important thing is the hard disk space, which we need at least
> 1TB.
> We just host the most recent version of the distros, as well as 1 older
> version of the distros, just in case there is still people are still using
> them.
> By not hosting those very old versions, we can actually able to support
> more distro's repo in this 1U server.
>
> @Yusof Khalid,
> If possible, try to get the price a low as possible for the colo service.
> Let us know the location of the DC as well, so that we can assign
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Re: [osdcmy] help ! i have crashed gmail on firefox on ubuntu

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I know mister, I was just kidding... It's Saturday.. Oh well, have a good
weekend.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 9:12 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
>> Time to move to Windows =P
>
>
> Doesn't have much to do with the OS.  Web pages and their problems occur
> entirely within the limits of the browser.
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Re: [osdcmy] help ! i have crashed gmail on firefox on ubuntu

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Time to move to Windows =P




On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah  wrote:

> oopss i have lost access to gmail. see the screenshot !
>
> am using firefox on ubuntu
>
> was trying to fix my offline gmail. clicked to remove my old offline
> mails... then.. all i got was a png image !
>
> earth day ?
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Re: [osdcmy] Handling NaN in python

[zarul shahrin]

Thank you for sharing though. I expect more people to post this kinda thing
in our ML, doesn't matter basic or advanced subject. This is so much better
than topics like "Is X much better than Y?".


On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:00 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> I happens to have a instance where some data is in form of NaN(Not a
> Number). When converted into decimal, and I have to filter those.
>
> In many language and the latest python is a method or function in form of.
> is_nan or isnan, to check it. I happen to be unlucky enough to have python
> 2.4 that don't have that.
>
> Fortunately there is a way to handle this.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaN
>
> As some might already know, Basically the idea is, for x is NaN then x == x
> is false.
>
> in python you can test it here
>
> f = float("NaN")
> if f == f:
> print "this should not print"
>
> or in decimal module
>
> from decimal import *
> d = Decimal("NaN")
> if d == d:
> print "this should not print too"
>
> yes, it not as useful now as newer python version provide a is_nan method,
> which is more intuitive.
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

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Sure, you can use any language. But we are talking about learning beyond the
basic things. I would rather learn in English and spend my time solving
problems than busy doing cross references.

Perhaps this explains why despite having many IT graduates, the employment
rates is still low. Even though there are many vacancies...


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> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM, red1  wrote:
>
>>  Bahasa Melayu mungkin tidak sesuai sebagai bahasa pengantaraan untuk alam
>> ilmiah perkakasan. Tetapi ia amat sesuai sebagai bahasa sastera, cukup
>> cantik apabila dipakai untuk berpantun:
>>
>
> Some people say that BM isn't suitable for science, technology, or finance,
> but I disagree.  Any language can handle new words and describe new
> concepts.  These IT words are only a problem because we already knew them in
> English before we tried to use them in Malay.
>
> If you could show a computer mouse to someone who has never seen one, they
> would give it a name.  Americans came up with the name "mouse" because they
> thought it looked like a mouse.  A Malaysian would probably give it a
> completely different name.
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: PHP.NET probably compromised , source code backdoored

[zarul shahrin]

Some people already know about it one day before..

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Ahmad Amran  wrote:

> Kat website php.net dah announce. Cuma wiki server compromise. Takde src
> code. SVN dah check, setakat ni ok. Password dah tukar b
>
> Sent from my phone
>
> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:37 PM, zarul shahrin  wrote:
>
> It's always take longer for official announcement. ^_^
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Ghodmode < 
> ghodm...@ghodmode.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:02 PM, zarul shahrin < 
>> zarulshah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Visual "proof" of <http://PHP.NET>PHP.NET server(s) breach:
>>>  <http://www.wooyun.org/bugs/wooyun-2010-01635>
>>> http://www.wooyun.org/bugs/wooyun-2010-01635
>>>
>>
>> PHP.net's own confirmation (
>> <http://www.php.net/archive/2011.php#id2011-03-19-2>
>> http://www.php.net/archive/2011.php#id2011-03-19-2 ) :
>>>
>>>  *[19-Mar-2011]* The <http://wiki.php.net>wiki.php.net box was
>>> compromised and the attackers were able to collect wiki account credentials.
>>> No other machines in the <http://php.net>php.net infrastructure appear
>>> to have been affected. Our biggest concern is, of course, the integrity of
>>> our source code. We did an extensive code audit and looked at every commit
>>> since 5.3.5 to make sure that no stolen accounts were used to inject
>>> anything malicious. Nothing was found. The compromised machine has been
>>> wiped and we are forcing a password change for all svn accounts.
>>>
>>> We are still investigating the details of the attack which combined a
>>> vulnerability in the Wiki software with a Linux root exploit.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM, zarul shahrin <
>>> zarulshah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hai Guys,
>>>> just a head up, yet another open source project has been compromised and
>>>> probably backdoored, this time is PHP.net. I am still waiting for more
>>>> info on this.
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Zarul Shahrin
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: PHP.NET probably compromised , source code backdoored

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It's always take longer for official announcement. ^_^


On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:02 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
>> Visual "proof" of PHP.NET server(s) breach:
>> http://www.wooyun.org/bugs/wooyun-2010-01635
>>
>
> PHP.net's own confirmation (
> http://www.php.net/archive/2011.php#id2011-03-19-2 ) :
>>
>>  *[19-Mar-2011]* The wiki.php.net box was compromised and the attackers
>> were able to collect wiki account credentials. No other machines in the
>> php.net infrastructure appear to have been affected. Our biggest concern
>> is, of course, the integrity of our source code. We did an extensive code
>> audit and looked at every commit since 5.3.5 to make sure that no stolen
>> accounts were used to inject anything malicious. Nothing was found. The
>> compromised machine has been wiped and we are forcing a password change for
>> all svn accounts.
>>
>> We are still investigating the details of the attack which combined a
>> vulnerability in the Wiki software with a Linux root exploit.
>>
>
>
>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hai Guys,
>>> just a head up, yet another open source project has been compromised and
>>> probably backdoored, this time is PHP.net. I am still waiting for more info
>>> on this.
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Zarul Shahrin
>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] What about "closed core"?

[zarul shahrin]

What is FOSS? =P



On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte <
msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Closed Core == sounds like FOSS, smells like FOSS, looks like FOSS but
> it ain't FOSS.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Ghodmode  wrote:
> > I noticed a "Facebook Developers Garage" event on the OSDC.my.  Since
> > Facebook is definitely not free, but applications developed for it
> > potentially are free, is there such as a thing as "closed core"?
> >
> > I've only recently become familiar with the term "open core".  I haven't
> > heard the term "closed core"... can I copyright it? ... I can't wait to
> > start suing people! :)
> >
> > Where does this type of software development fit into our community?
> >
> > Thank you.
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[osdcmy] Re: PHP.NET probably compromised , source code backdoored

[zarul shahrin]

Visual "proof" of PHP.NET server(s) breach:
http://www.wooyun.org/bugs/wooyun-2010-01635



On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 8:31 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:

> Hai Guys,
>
> just a head up, yet another open source project has been compromised and
> probably backdoored, this time is PHP.net. I am still waiting for more info
> on this.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Zarul Shahrin
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[osdcmy] PHP.NET probably compromised , source code backdoored

[zarul shahrin]

Hai Guys,

just a head up, yet another open source project has been compromised and
probably backdoored, this time is PHP.net. I am still waiting for more info
on this.


Best Regards,

Zarul Shahrin

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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

Kita juga kena fikir..

1) Buku jenis apa?  Sastera, teknikal? Kita sedang bercakap mengenai
buku-buku teknikal.
2) Berapa tinggi ilmu-ilmu yang ditawarkan buku-buku tersebut? Dulu kawan
saya cakap kat Indonesia banyak buku-buku teknikal. Tapi bila saya ke sana ,
buku-bukunya kebanyakkan adalah "basic stuff".

2011/3/18 red1 

>  Semasa di Thailand, saya perhati kat kedai buku mereka, terdapat banyak
> majalah terbaru dunia seperti GQ, Penthouse, Linux, Vogue, tetapi satu helai
> Inggeris pun tak ada. Semua diterjemahkan bulat-bulat ke dalam bahasa Siyeh.
> Yalah.. mereka tak pernah dijajah.
>
>
> On 3/18/11 7:10 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
> Sama seperti di Jerman, Russia, Jepun, Korea dan China.
>
>   But, do we have that many books?
>
>  Oh wait... Do we have that many experts?
>
>  Masa kat sekolah dulu, saya aktif juga dalam kelab catur (amatur
> jer)...Rasa kelakar pulak kat Malaysia ni tidak ada seorang pun Grandmaster
> sedangkan Singapura, Indonesia, Filipina, Vietnam, semua dah ada.
>
>  Jadi kadang-kadang kita tak boleh membuat perbandingan terus.
>
>
> 2011/3/18 sallehy 
>
>> Jika berkesempatan ke Indonesia, mungkin boleh belajar sesuatu.
>> Buku rujukan Bahasa Inggeris sukar cari makan katanya.
>>
>>  Kedai buku bertingkat-tingkat penuh dengan bahasa mereka sendiri :)
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
>>
>>> Sebenarnya saya lebih suka kalau  dulu belajar matematik dan sains dalam
>>> Bahasa Inggeris. Bila belajar benda lebih tinggi, kebanyakkan bahan-bahan
>>> rujukan yang bagus adalah di dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bahan-bahan rujukan
>>> dalam Bahasa Malaysia adalah terhad.
>>>
>>>  Disebabkan hal tersebut, ramai orang kita sibuk cuba menterjemahkan apa
>>> yang mereka terlebih dahulu belajar dalam Bahasa Malaysia kepada Bahasa
>>> Inggeris dan sebaliknya sedangkan orang-orang lain yang sejak dari mula
>>>  belajar dalam Bahasa Inggeris sibuk menguasai ilmu baru.
>>>
>>> 2011/3/18 darXness darXness 
>>>
>>>>  sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar math
>>>> dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar lam
>>>> BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik
>>>> da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len?
>>>> ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da
>>>> serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm
>>>> komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   2011/3/18 darXness darXness 
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
>>>>>
>>>>>> Aku tak dapat bayangkan belajar komputer dalam BM. Bagi lagi
>>>>>> berserabut kepala otak adalah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>   sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar
>>>>> math dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar 
>>>>> lam
>>>>> BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik
>>>>> da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len?
>>>>> ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da
>>>>> serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm
>>>>> komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

Sama seperti di Jerman, Russia, Jepun, Korea dan China.

 But, do we have that many books?

Oh wait... Do we have that many experts?

Masa kat sekolah dulu, saya aktif juga dalam kelab catur (amatur jer)...Rasa
kelakar pulak kat Malaysia ni tidak ada seorang pun Grandmaster sedangkan
Singapura, Indonesia, Filipina, Vietnam, semua dah ada.

Jadi kadang-kadang kita tak boleh membuat perbandingan terus.


2011/3/18 sallehy 

> Jika berkesempatan ke Indonesia, mungkin boleh belajar sesuatu.
> Buku rujukan Bahasa Inggeris sukar cari makan katanya.
>
> Kedai buku bertingkat-tingkat penuh dengan bahasa mereka sendiri :)
>
>
> 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
>
>> Sebenarnya saya lebih suka kalau  dulu belajar matematik dan sains dalam
>> Bahasa Inggeris. Bila belajar benda lebih tinggi, kebanyakkan bahan-bahan
>> rujukan yang bagus adalah di dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bahan-bahan rujukan
>> dalam Bahasa Malaysia adalah terhad.
>>
>> Disebabkan hal tersebut, ramai orang kita sibuk cuba menterjemahkan apa
>> yang mereka terlebih dahulu belajar dalam Bahasa Malaysia kepada Bahasa
>> Inggeris dan sebaliknya sedangkan orang-orang lain yang sejak dari mula
>>  belajar dalam Bahasa Inggeris sibuk menguasai ilmu baru.
>>
>> 2011/3/18 darXness darXness 
>>
>>> sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar math
>>> dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar lam
>>> BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik
>>> da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len?
>>> ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da
>>> serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm
>>> komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot...
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/18 darXness darXness 
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
>>>>
>>>>> Aku tak dapat bayangkan belajar komputer dalam BM. Bagi lagi berserabut
>>>>> kepala otak adalah.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar math
>>>> dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar lam
>>>> BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik
>>>> da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len?
>>>> ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da
>>>> serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm
>>>> komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
>>>>>
>>>>>>  stack overflow limpah atas tindanan
>>>>>> heap overflow , tarak record.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> USB port == port bas bersiri semesta
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dulu istilah bajet tak pernah digunakan secara rasmi. Tapi bila Tun.
>>>>>>> M perkenalkan istilah tu menggantikan 'belanjawan', ramai yang dah 
>>>>>>> terima
>>>>>>> pakai.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Atau maksud sebenarnya, perlu eksploitasi mereka yang s*omebody *bila
>>>>>>> bercakap tentang lokalisasi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2011/3/18 ApOgEE 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ini adalah pembetulan untuk rakan-rakan yang mungkin telah
>>>>>>>> terkeliru:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gelintar = Search
>>>>>>>> Tatal = Scroll
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Contoh ayat:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scrolling the page = Menatal halaman tersebut
>>>>>>>> Searching using Google Search Engine = Menggelintar menggunakan
>>>>>>>> Enjin Gelintar Google
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sumber rujukan:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://prpm.dbp.gov.my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Garfield WTF 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lets create a new words using DBP's standard!
>>>>&

Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

Sebenarnya saya lebih suka kalau  dulu belajar matematik dan sains dalam
Bahasa Inggeris. Bila belajar benda lebih tinggi, kebanyakkan bahan-bahan
rujukan yang bagus adalah di dalam Bahasa Inggeris. Bahan-bahan rujukan
dalam Bahasa Malaysia adalah terhad.

Disebabkan hal tersebut, ramai orang kita sibuk cuba menterjemahkan apa yang
mereka terlebih dahulu belajar dalam Bahasa Malaysia kepada Bahasa Inggeris
dan sebaliknya sedangkan orang-orang lain yang sejak dari mula  belajar
dalam Bahasa Inggeris sibuk menguasai ilmu baru.

2011/3/18 darXness darXness 

> sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar math dalam
> BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar lam BI.ade x
> sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik da.dengan
> plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len?
> ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da
> serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm
> komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot...
>
>
> 2011/3/18 darXness darXness 
>
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
>>
>>> Aku tak dapat bayangkan belajar komputer dalam BM. Bagi lagi berserabut
>>> kepala otak adalah.
>>>
>>>
>> sebab dah start dengan BI.cube imagine camniela.dlu2 kite blajar math
>> dalam BM.ok jerk.mmg senang jer rase.n then skrng nie math da ajar lam
>> BI.ade x sape2 yg leh jawab mcm care kite jawab dlu x?msti da pelik
>> da.dengan plus,surd,divide,tu baru skit.term2 len?
>> ngn science lagi.kalo suh kite jwb balik paper tu balik lam BI pn da
>> serabut.sbb,1st tep kite blajar lam BM.n camtu la setrusnye.same gak mcm
>> komp.kalo kite stat bljr lam BM,rasenyer xmustahil kot...
>>
>>
>>
>>> 2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 
>>>
>>>>  stack overflow limpah atas tindanan
>>>> heap overflow , tarak record.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> USB port == port bas bersiri semesta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran 
>>>>
>>>>> Dulu istilah bajet tak pernah digunakan secara rasmi. Tapi bila Tun. M
>>>>> perkenalkan istilah tu menggantikan 'belanjawan', ramai yang dah terima
>>>>> pakai.
>>>>>
>>>>> Atau maksud sebenarnya, perlu eksploitasi mereka yang s*omebody *bila
>>>>> bercakap tentang lokalisasi.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/3/18 ApOgEE 
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ini adalah pembetulan untuk rakan-rakan yang mungkin telah terkeliru:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gelintar = Search
>>>>>> Tatal = Scroll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Contoh ayat:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scrolling the page = Menatal halaman tersebut
>>>>>> Searching using Google Search Engine = Menggelintar menggunakan Enjin
>>>>>> Gelintar Google
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sumber rujukan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://prpm.dbp.gov.my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Garfield WTF wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets create a new words using DBP's standard!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Words:*
>>>>>>> Connect = Konek
>>>>>>> Debian Squeeze = Debian Picit
>>>>>>> Desktop = Atas Meja
>>>>>>> Laptop = Atas Peha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Commands:*
>>>>>>> fsck = **Perkataan Ini Telah Diharamkan**
>>>>>>> cat /proc/cpuinfo = kucing /proc/cpuinfo
>>>>>>> less = kurang
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, "*cat /var/log/auth.log | less*" will be "*kucing
>>>>>>> /var/log/auth.log | kurang*"
>>>>>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

Aku tak dapat bayangkan belajar komputer dalam BM. Bagi lagi berserabut
kepala otak adalah.


2011/3/18 zarul shahrin 

>  stack overflow limpah atas tindanan
> heap overflow , tarak record.
>
>
> USB port == port bas bersiri semesta
>
>
> 2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran 
>
>> Dulu istilah bajet tak pernah digunakan secara rasmi. Tapi bila Tun. M
>> perkenalkan istilah tu menggantikan 'belanjawan', ramai yang dah terima
>> pakai.
>>
>> Atau maksud sebenarnya, perlu eksploitasi mereka yang s*omebody *bila
>> bercakap tentang lokalisasi.
>>
>> 2011/3/18 ApOgEE 
>>
>>> Ini adalah pembetulan untuk rakan-rakan yang mungkin telah terkeliru:
>>>
>>> Gelintar = Search
>>> Tatal = Scroll
>>>
>>> Contoh ayat:
>>>
>>> Scrolling the page = Menatal halaman tersebut
>>> Searching using Google Search Engine = Menggelintar menggunakan Enjin
>>> Gelintar Google
>>>
>>> Sumber rujukan:
>>>
>>> http://prpm.dbp.gov.my
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Garfield WTF wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lets create a new words using DBP's standard!
>>>>
>>>> *Words:*
>>>> Connect = Konek
>>>> Debian Squeeze = Debian Picit
>>>> Desktop = Atas Meja
>>>> Laptop = Atas Peha
>>>>
>>>> *Commands:*
>>>> fsck = **Perkataan Ini Telah Diharamkan**
>>>> cat /proc/cpuinfo = kucing /proc/cpuinfo
>>>> less = kurang
>>>>
>>>> So, "*cat /var/log/auth.log | less*" will be "*kucing /var/log/auth.log
>>>> | kurang*"
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

 stack overflow limpah atas tindanan
heap overflow , tarak record.


USB port == port bas bersiri semesta


2011/3/18 Mohamad Imran 

> Dulu istilah bajet tak pernah digunakan secara rasmi. Tapi bila Tun. M
> perkenalkan istilah tu menggantikan 'belanjawan', ramai yang dah terima
> pakai.
>
> Atau maksud sebenarnya, perlu eksploitasi mereka yang s*omebody *bila
> bercakap tentang lokalisasi.
>
> 2011/3/18 ApOgEE 
>
>> Ini adalah pembetulan untuk rakan-rakan yang mungkin telah terkeliru:
>>
>> Gelintar = Search
>> Tatal = Scroll
>>
>> Contoh ayat:
>>
>> Scrolling the page = Menatal halaman tersebut
>> Searching using Google Search Engine = Menggelintar menggunakan Enjin
>> Gelintar Google
>>
>> Sumber rujukan:
>>
>> http://prpm.dbp.gov.my
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Garfield WTF  wrote:
>>
>>> Lets create a new words using DBP's standard!
>>>
>>> *Words:*
>>> Connect = Konek
>>> Debian Squeeze = Debian Picit
>>> Desktop = Atas Meja
>>> Laptop = Atas Peha
>>>
>>> *Commands:*
>>> fsck = **Perkataan Ini Telah Diharamkan**
>>> cat /proc/cpuinfo = kucing /proc/cpuinfo
>>> less = kurang
>>>
>>> So, "*cat /var/log/auth.log | less*" will be "*kucing /var/log/auth.log
>>> | kurang*"
>>>
>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

"apa pengkepala aturcara C yang perlu saya sertakan untuk menggunakan
perpustakaan curl?"

Sepatutnya macam ni:

"... untuk menggunakan perpustakaan *lekuk*"


2011/3/18 ApOgEE 

> Senang cerita untuk localization, guna sahaja bahasa yang mudah difahami
> oleh masyarakat tempatan. Kalau mereka tak tahu komputer langsung, ajarkan
> sahaja istilah yang sering diguna pakai oleh semua. Kalau semua orang faham
> Double Click dan scroll, tak payah bagi pening dengan mengajarkan mereka
> dengan perkataan pelik-pelik seperti Gelintar... aduh...
>
> Bukan pada dokumen sahaja. Bahasa dalam dokumentasi ini akan diguna oleh
> mereka dalam bahasa harian juga kerana itu adalah sumber pengetahuan mereka.
> Esok-esok, bila diorang guna dalam bahasa komputer harian,
>
> "Encik, dimana saya nak gelintar pada laman sesawang encik?"
>
> atau,
>
> "Bagaimana saya nak lekap dan gabungkan kod sumber saya kepada binari yang
> boleh dilaksana?"
>
> atau,
>
> "apa pengkepala aturcara C yang perlu saya sertakan untuk menggunakan
> perpustakaan curl?"
>
> tak pening ke nak jawab kalau kita sendiri tak biasa guna perkataan tu?
> tobat aku jawab "entah, tak tahu... " walaupun sebenarnya perkara tu mudah
> dan dah biasa kita buat rupanya.
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:51 AM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>
>> The real use case for localization is to bring technology to rural region
>> which don't have good english command anyway. unless you going to spend
>> another year teaching them english.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:46 AM, zarul shahrin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Or just use English for everything techno. Much better. =D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/18 Haris bin Ali 
>>>
>>>> 2011/3/18 ApOgEE :
>>>> > Saya fikir, ini adalah usaha yang memakan masa dan berterusan
>>>>
>>>> Juga membazirkan masa dan tenaga. Sekiranya perkataan dan ungkapan
>>>> tertentu telah tidak digunakan lagi oleh masyarakat mainstream,
>>>> mengapa perlu dihidupkan kembali? Let it die a quiet death.
>>>>
>>>> //ha...@qedx.com
>>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

Or just use English for everything techno. Much better. =D



2011/3/18 Haris bin Ali 

> 2011/3/18 ApOgEE :
> > Saya fikir, ini adalah usaha yang memakan masa dan berterusan
>
> Juga membazirkan masa dan tenaga. Sekiranya perkataan dan ungkapan
> tertentu telah tidak digunakan lagi oleh masyarakat mainstream,
> mengapa perlu dihidupkan kembali? Let it die a quiet death.
>
> //ha...@qedx.com
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

Saya rasa sudah tiba masanya untuk kita duduk sebangku dengan pakar bahasa
dan menjadi lebih berani dalam menyelesaikan masalah ini. Kita perlu berani
berfikir diluar kotak:

Kenapa kita perlukan terjemahan terus atau mengciplak perkataan dari bahasa
lain. Sebagai contoh:

 cable = kabel.

Pada saya contoh klasik diatas adalah bukti dimana pakar-pakar bahasa kita
kekurangan kreativiti dan hanya sekadar mengubah ejaan (so now it becomes a
"Malay word" ).

Kalau pakar-pakar Bahahsa Inggeris boleh memperkenalkan istilah-istilah baru
setiap tahun, kenapa kita tidak?

Kenapa Joystick perlu menjadi "batang gembira". Perkenalkan saja perkataan
baru yang lebih pendek.


Yang Benar,

Zarul Shahrin


2011/3/18 saifuladli ismail 

> kita tak perlu guna perkataan bakar, kita guna perkataan "salin" nota ke
> dalam CD. ok sikit bunyi nya.
>
> 2011/3/17 saiful 
>
>> aku x pernah setuju dengan isitilah yang dianjurkan oleh dbp, still dalam
>> note aku untuk kuliah tetap aku campurkan antara BM dan BI, sesetangah
>> istilah boleh diterjemah dan sesetngahnya sangatlah 'jahil murakkab' sangat
>> untuk dikalihbahasakan.
>>
>> kau nak nota aku? boleh nanti aku "bakar" dan bagi kau satu salinan - :)
>> .. burn-in time (masa bakar mula) aduhai tolonglah...
>>
>> 2011/3/17 darXness darXness 
>>
>>> hmmm...ssh gak nak ckap bab nie.
>>> actually,kalo ade sape2 xtau lg,kami pengajar bhgn ICT nie ssh skit kalo
>>> nak gune BI 100%.nak wat nota,nak wat AS,WS,IS,LP,KA,PA sume2 tu xleh nak
>>> rojak sgt.kalo double click,kene tukr jadik klik 2 kali.cume ade la skit2
>>> term yg xdigalakkn translte sbb riso laen maksd.mcm *firewall.*maybe
>>> kite akn ckp,da tau bljr komp,kene la power BI.itula yg ak slaloo ckp kat
>>> stdnt2.tp kne fhm gak.mostly dorng nie dtg dari kptusan yg xbrape
>>> baek.imagine,kalo kite pndg org msuk ILP n IKBN or mane2 pusat
>>> kemahiran,kite da anggp mcm ntuk stdt2 yg agak lemah,apatah lgi ntuk org2 yg
>>> xlayak pn nak msuk tmpt2 camtu.
>>> yg xboleh membace,menulis pn ade.kene train slow2.nak bleh mmbace menulis
>>> plak,BI mmg hancus.nak solve mende2 camni,kene train asing.bgi nota BM.n
>>> then selit2 BI.baru fhm.dlu2,aku slaloo kondem cik2 ak sal wat nota BM.last2
>>> bile da alami sndiri,tgk level stdnt2 ak,baru la ak fhm.ble ckp right click
>>> pn dorng da confuse.huhu
>>>
>>> 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin :
>>>
>>> > Bukankah itu dinamakan bahasa "rojak"?
>>> >
>>> > 2011/3/17 saiful 
>>> >>
>>> >> ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click.
>>> >> dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg
>>> femes
>>> >> digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".
>>> >>
>>> >> 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq 
>>> >>>
>>> >>> kelik dua kali.
>>> >>> :p
>>> >>>
>>> >>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>> >>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>> >>> http://syafiq.me
>>> >>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>>> >>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> salam
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails
>>> application !
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin 
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Saudara dan Saudari,
>>> >>>>> Saya pun tak tahu kenapa.
>>> >>>>> Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam
>>> >>>>> Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak
>>> tahu
>>> >>>>> kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton
>>> gambar P.
>>> >>>>> Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya.  ^O^
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Yang Ikhlas,
>>> >>>>> Zarul Shahrin
>>> >>>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

>
>
> Ini ingatkan saya kembali kepada UKM MIMOS e-Translation Project
> sekitar tahun 2005 (mungkin)
>
>
Apa yang berlaku dengan projek tersebut? Masih aktif?

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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

>
> also any suggestion for burn cd ? i am using rakamkan pada cd.


 I know this one! Cakera Padat Bakar!


>
> 2011/3/17 saiful 
>
>> ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click.
>>
>> dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg femes
>> digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq 
>>
>>> kelik dua kali.
>>>
>>> :p
>>>
>>>
>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>> http://syafiq.me
>>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>>
>>>> salam
>>>>
>>>> apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ?
>>>>
>>>> help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails application !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin 
>>>>
>>>>> Saudara dan Saudari,
>>>>>
>>>>> Saya pun tak tahu kenapa.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam
>>>>> Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak tahu
>>>>> kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton gambar P.
>>>>> Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya.  ^O^
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yang Ikhlas,
>>>>>
>>>>> Zarul Shahrin
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Re: [osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

Bukankah itu dinamakan bahasa "rojak"?

2011/3/17 saiful 

> ada beberapa istilah tak perlu translate, tulis saja double click.
>
> dan jangan terlalu dungu membuat terjemahan secara terus. Contoh yg femes
> digunakan adalah "memnggunakan batang cucuk dan main".
>
>
> 2011/3/17 Muhammad Syafiq 
>
>> kelik dua kali.
>>
>> :p
>>
>>
>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>> http://syafiq.me
>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/17 Raja Iskandar Shah 
>>
>>> salam
>>>
>>> apa perkataan untuk double-click ? dwi-klik ? keklik ?
>>>
>>> help... i am half-way in my tutorial for creating a grails application !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/17 zarul shahrin 
>>>
>>>> Saudara dan Saudari,
>>>>
>>>> Saya pun tak tahu kenapa.
>>>>
>>>> Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam
>>>> Bahasa Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak tahu
>>>> kenapa saya rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton gambar P.
>>>> Ramlee. Mungkin saya ni dah tak betul agaknya.  ^O^
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yang Ikhlas,
>>>>
>>>> Zarul Shahrin
>>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Wassup With OSCC ?

[zarul shahrin]

I think this is something normal in many other companies too (big or small).
So sometimes you just need to move on.

I had a manager who once told me this - "Don't die for the company, company
won't die for you". That was probably one of the best advices anyone has
ever gave me. I didn't follow his advice until several companies later.



On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte <
msiantuxlo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah Poh ar
>
> Aiyo you also know that si nyayok manyak kacau one. We had to "clean
> up" the report until 6 pagi. Giler.
>
> Not dragging your name and Raja's but that whole "cleaning up"
> exercise was stupid and unnecessary.
>
> My relationship with my wife became tegang because of that
> womankeja sampai awal pagi, balik mandi, tukar baju balik ke
> meeting. Kalau ngatok kena bambu like you never believe.
>
> Masa kat OSCC my MC can exceed 14 days, this never happened before in
> all my years of working! Pernah sekali dua gua henti bawah jamabatang
> tidur pasal letih sgt.
>
> At the end, all was not worth it. Not appreciated never mind, kena
> caci, dituduh bukan2, bini dah tensionno money is worth all
> that...I just walked away.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 6:28 PM, red1  wrote:
> > Hello Apek,
> > Pasal apa lu tarik wa sama Raja kasi ini lu gomen punya hal. Aiya, Wa
> mana
> > mau cerita itu manyak tak boleh cakap. Wa ada baca itu, itu sta,
> sta-tis-tik
> > wa sendiri pun susah. Dia punya line manyak manyak tapi ada manyak tada
> > jumpa. Raja sama saya tarik itu line sini sana. Nyonya ada cakap sama wa.
> Wa
> > ada cakap sama Nyonya, lepas itu wa cakap sayang sama semua orang. Was
> sudah
> > dapat itu uang bikin kerja. Ada senang wa balik sana.
> >
> > On 3/17/11 5:52 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte wrote:
> >>
> >> I am aware of your association in Phase One.
> >>
> >> OSCC wanted to do so much but at each turn we were blocked by
> >> political interests and general apathy. MAMPU as we are know is a
> >> schizophrenic animal, each jabatan seem to have its own mind and the
> >> KP really don't care, so as long as dapat naik pangkat.
> >>
> >> The statistics are available, but since I was involved with the
> >> training portion only, I do not have it. Raja and Red1 were the two
> >> chaps who helped us do up the BRR - Benefit Realisation Report; maybe
> >> they have a copy of it.
> >>
> >> The Govt is a control freak. Anything they do is hak kerajaan. We have
> >> suggested to involve the community in building some of the stuff, but
> >> then the ones in power only want the name and tried to use the
> >> community as kuli percuma - case in point MyGOSSCON.
> >>
> >> When we suggested to reach out to the Private Sector, the official
> >> answer is always "We only do Public Sector". WTF!? It shows those in
> >> power don't know the first thing about FOSS. Even they argue that FOSS
> >> is a "haram" word; we could only use OSS. Jeez!
> >>
> >> Much that I say, I am sure you have seen and gone through them; since
> >> you were in Phase One. I am not saying that OSCC was a great success,
> >> but to say it was an epic failure can be affront to us who put in
> >> thousands of man hours to try to make it work.
> >>
> >> I can understand that outside of the Public Sector, there was hardly a
> >> noticeable ripple. It was sad - I really believed we were doing
> >> something positive for FOSS in Malaysia. Alas like so many alumni of
> >> Pahse Two will attest, we all ended up being tukang buat slide for
> >> clueless politicians.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
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[osdcmy] Saya pun tak tahu kenapa

[zarul shahrin]

Saudara dan Saudari,

Saya pun tak tahu kenapa.

Bila saya membaca perbincangan berkaitan hal-hal teknikal di dalam Bahasa
Malaysia, saya rasa geli hati. Bukan perli dan saya pun tak tahu kenapa saya
rasa geli hati .Memang rasa kelakar macam menonton gambar P. Ramlee. Mungkin
saya ni dah tak betul agaknya.  ^O^


Yang Ikhlas,

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Re: [osdcmy] question on yes wimax dongle and ubuntu

[zarul shahrin]

Not sure about the Dongle, but you don't need driver for the Huddle (which I
am using).



On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:

> so far I know, there still no update on availability using yes on any linux
> distribution, even the sales person at KL Sentral told me, except for home
> package with that big black yes modem.
>
> perhaps who has yes dongle can borrow me for a while, I can try to find the
> driver :p
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> dear all
>>
>> anyone able to connect using yes wimax dongle on ubuntu ?
>>
>> planning to switch to yes, coz maxis bb / celcom bb at putrajaya is often
>> congested / slow / dropped
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Re: [osdcmy] Remove inappropriate Facebook members?

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 I am a hot male. How about that?


> P.S. If you actually are a sexy female Malaysian and interested in Free,
> Libre, and Open Source Software, give me a call :P
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

[zarul shahrin]

Nope, he should let the bridge stay and went on with the plan to have a
canal between Thailand and Malaysia. =P



On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, red1  wrote:

>  How i wish Dr. Mahathir did cut them off at the bridge. Before he
> resigned.
>
>
> On 3/15/11 12:28 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
> Of course they are better! They are there working on the next big thing
> while we are here busy arguing which OS is better or why people don't want
> to use OSS and of course - busy customizing Ubuntu so we can have yet
> another distro based on Ubuntu. =P
>
>
>
>  Best Regards,
>
>  Zarul Shahrin
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan <
> sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Working harder without knowing what we want to achieve is like a mouse on
>> the running wheel.
>>
>> We keep working harder and harder, but in the end, we still at the same
>> place.
>>
>> If we don't know how they compare us, how we are going to compete with
>> them?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>>
>>> I got a feeling not just in term of foss, but many area in tech too. but
>>> then just a feeling.
>>>
>>>  I also got a feeling on the amount of visible R&D and product resulted
>>> from them. Again just a feeling, I could be wrong.
>>>
>>>  Look like we have to work harder don't we, and that is not just a
>>> feeling
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM, rafe azsnal  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dude I didn't go down on details but as said Singapore community do have
>>>> d edge of getting it done rather than Malaysian. But all you know it might
>>>> be Malaysian who is in captivity by singaporien :) but dude honestly this
>>>> not d 1st time I hear about it. Maybe we have not done enough.. and
>>>> personally feel that somehow is my fault too..
>>>>
>>>> rafe
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 15, 2011 11:53 AM, "Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan" <
>>>> sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Please tell me using what criteria that they said Singapore is 10 times
>>>> better than Malaysia?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated
>>>>> that the global player of OSS ...
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

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Of course they are better! They are there working on the next big thing
while we are here busy arguing which OS is better or why people don't want
to use OSS and of course - busy customizing Ubuntu so we can have yet
another distro based on Ubuntu. =P



Best Regards,

Zarul Shahrin

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sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Working harder without knowing what we want to achieve is like a mouse on
> the running wheel.
>
> We keep working harder and harder, but in the end, we still at the same
> place.
>
> If we don't know how they compare us, how we are going to compete with
> them?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:
>
>> I got a feeling not just in term of foss, but many area in tech too. but
>> then just a feeling.
>>
>> I also got a feeling on the amount of visible R&D and product resulted
>> from them. Again just a feeling, I could be wrong.
>>
>> Look like we have to work harder don't we, and that is not just a
>> feeling
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM, rafe azsnal  wrote:
>>
>>> Dude I didn't go down on details but as said Singapore community do have
>>> d edge of getting it done rather than Malaysian. But all you know it might
>>> be Malaysian who is in captivity by singaporien :) but dude honestly this
>>> not d 1st time I hear about it. Maybe we have not done enough.. and
>>> personally feel that somehow is my fault too..
>>>
>>> rafe
>>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2011 11:53 AM, "Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan" <
>>> sharuzza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please tell me using what criteria that they said Singapore is 10 times
>>> better than Malaysia?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal  wrote:
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that
>>>> the global player of OSS ...
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Re: [osdcmy] Malaysian OSS Developer

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Huh?

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:26 AM, rafe azsnal  wrote:

> Today now I'm in a meeting with the internal team where he stated that the
> global player of OSS does not see Malaysia as a potential OSS hub or
> development area where compare to Singapore that is 10 times better than
> Malaysian. This I personally feel where bitching is more than the actual
> work.
>
> GOOD JOBS GUYS FOR MAKING MALAYSIA MALAYSIAN. where this remark is much my
> fault where all of you were right... kan?
>
> Don't see the point of promoting it anymore any longer where domestic
> community not even speaking the same lingo to each others.
>
> Congratulation people you have archive what you want... well done...
> rafe
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

[zarul shahrin]

Nicely said Mr Fauzi, +1

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM, ApOgEE  wrote:

> For me, computer is just a tool to do my work. I don't really bother
> whether the OS is Open Source or proprietary. I use them all for certain
> work that they specialize in. For example, if I wanna do VB or VB script to
> solve my customer problem in windows, I will boot my windows and do the
> development and testing there. If I wanna do C or any linux or embedded
> linux work I will boot to my Linux and do my work there. And if I wanna do
> Graphic Design for printing, I will rather use Mac with the tools installed
> in it and finish my work there.
>
> There are a lot of reasons why I choose certain Operating System for
> certain situation to do certain work. It's like when you are choosing
> hammer, to hammer the nail in a wood. You may also use other things like
> stone, iron, or any thing near you to hammer it. But, when you are
> professional in such work, you may choose to use proper tools for proper
> work. Anyway, it is up to you to decide how you are going to finish your
> work. Isn't that the freedom we are searching for?
>
> My point is, keep it simple. Don't blame your torch light because it is not
> bright enough for your big room. Just call an electrician to fix a room
> light for you, turn on the room light and your room will be bright. Unless
> you are a developer or scientist who tried to develop a brightest torch
> light, you will try your best to find the solutions for what you develop.
> And when you have successfully develop them, share your solution to the
> others for the spirit of open source.
>
> OS and distro wars are endless and useless. If you don't like it, do not
> use it. If you think Mac is expensive, don't buy it. And if you encounter
> trouble while using any OS, develop a solution for it if you can, and share
> your solution if you like. Otherwise, you may also sell your solutions.
> Maybe someone will find your solution worth to buy. Please don't blame me
> for not choosing the same OS as you do. Please don't blame other people for
> choosing Microsoft Excel instead of OpenOffice.org Spreadsheet to do their
> work. They have money to buy whatever they like. Awareness is just to make
> people aware that there is alternatives to what they can use to solve their
> work. There is no obligation. Not even government could make that policy to
> only use 'that apps' for 'that works'.
>
> It is not a mentality issue if people choose Toyota instead of Proton Saga.
> We all have our own experience for what we choose. Innovation will not die
> when there is no 'fake support' from local user. Just keep it going and
> improving to beat other innovations if you can. If FiMOS can beat Ubuntu,
> Red Hat, Suse, or any other distro features, just do it!
>
> In my point of view, I see FiMOS is one of the linux distro among thousands
> or millions of other distros that is not currently even listed in
> distrowatch.com
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:50 AM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
>> The technology being used in RKHunter is 10-15 years behinds any standard
>> Windows anti-rookit.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Muhammad Syafiq <
>> creativeneur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux?
>>>
>>>
>>> How about rkhunter? Just wonder to know? not expert here. ;)
>>>
>>> محمد شافق بن مذلي
>>> Muhammad Syafiq Bin Mazli
>>> http://syafiq.me
>>> 67C2 1C07 FDEC 09ED DE58
>>> 1ED8 FF26 6105 142D CBE2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM, zarul shahrin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
>>>> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin >>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a
>>>>>> hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems
>>>>>> using a tool which is easy to learn?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p
>>>>>
>>>>> As someone who is working in the security field and who previously
>>>> worked in the AV labs, I would say in most cases any windows machine
>>>> infected by a rootkit is much easier to deal with compare to a Linux 
>>>> machi

Re: [osdcmy] New article: "What the heck is FreeDOS?"

[zarul shahrin]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Vincente Aggrippino  wrote:

>  On 13/03/2011 8:43 p.m., zarul shahrin wrote:
>
> Most of them are preloaded with FeeDos so that the computer price can be
> reduced by as much as 1K? Unlike corporate users, most of the home users
> don't give a crap whether their OS is legal or pirated, they just want
> something cheap (This is especially in Malaysia).
>
>
> The FreeDOS machines usually are a lower price, but not much lower when
> compared to a machine with similar specs and licensed Windows.
>
> Even when it is lower, the savings are nowhere near 1K.  The licensed
> Windows 7 Home Basic only costs RM350 if you buy it separately.
>
> I bought a new computer this weekend.  It came with licensed Windows, but I
> chose it based on specifications and price.  I couldn't get a FreeDOS
> machine with the same specs for a lower price.
>
>
>  My apologies on the price inaccuracy but RM 350 is still a lot for a Home
Basic.


>
> You're right.  People don't care about those laws.  I would even go a
> little further and say that some of those laws are unjust and immoral.
> Modern distributions have more than just free licensing, though, and Linux
> *is* better than Windows.  I think we've had that discussion many times
> already.  That's why we're in this group :)
>
>   I will never make a claim that any OS is better than the other. As a
technical person who have years of experience in using Windows,Linux (for
work) and OSX (home and work), all of them have their strengths and
weaknesses depending on your need and area of work.



> Microsoft has also damaged their customer base.  Their negligence in
> handling malicious software threats, and stories about systems becoming
> unusable or shutting down every two hours after an update all work against
> them.
>
>   When you have approximately 91% of market share, you can't avoid from
being the main target of criminals/virus writers. The same reasoning can be
applied to the customers who have problems with Windows. You will of course
hear more bad news about Windows than let say Mac OS or Linux due to the
number of people using Windows compare to the other OSes. But does that make
Windows less stable than Linux? A visit to the forums/IRC and mailing list
made me believe otherwise. How many times did you get a BSOD on Windows XP
SP3 compare to let say a kernel panic message on Ubuntu Hoary? In fact, the
problems you mentioned above are usually caused by 3rd party software such
as anti-virus software (removing critical OS files due to false positive)
than windows itself.


Other than that, An OS that launches a new version every few months will
make it less likely be a good candidate for everyday desktop. What people
need is a stable OS, not something that get updated with new version every
few months and break some of their existing software. If I run a company, I
personally do not want to have my system admin to run around every few
months to upgrade all the systems and then someone complains that the
software they are using are now broken because of the upgrade due to an
incompatible version of shared libraries (which is something very common).

I'm not much of a gamer, but I think that a lot of those games can be played
> in Linux using Wine.  I can play World of Warcraft using Wine without any
> special setup and I know someone else in our KK-LUG who has played Starcraft
> with Wine.  There are also some companies starting to develop software that
> runs natively in Linux.
>
> Being a user of Codeweaver Crossover myself ( A commercial version of Wine
that supports more application than Wine itself) I would say the number of
windows applications that can be run through Wine is still limited. Please
also keep in mind that Wine is an "emulator" and an application running
through it is not running natively as they do on Windows. Trying to run a
game that requires a high performance machine is pretty much a no no. (I am
still playing World of Warcraft and was an addict, Cata runs on my 3-4 years
old Mac without a problem. It's not a game that requires a high-end system)

All of those concerns, plus some others, are repeated when considering
> proprietary office software, but OpenOffice.org / LibreOffice is really
> high-quality software.
>
> We're not starting from scratch here.  Average people (ie: not nerds like
> us) have even heard a few of the horror stories about "pirated" software and
> the success stories about Open Source Software.  It's in the mainstream
> media already.  This is a good time and place to give consumers the option.
>
>  Just as much as a little Googling will reveal to you how even some of the
most experienced Linux users/developers can get frustrated using Linux as
their desktop.



&g

Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

[zarul shahrin]

The technology being used in RKHunter is 10-15 years behinds any standard
Windows anti-rookit.


On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Muhammad Syafiq  wrote:

>  Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux?
>
>
> How about rkhunter? Just wonder to know? not expert here. ;)
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
>> jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a
>>>> hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems
>>>> using a tool which is easy to learn?
>>>>
>>>> is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p
>>>
>>> As someone who is working in the security field and who previously worked
>> in the AV labs, I would say in most cases any windows machine infected by a
>> rootkit is much easier to deal with compare to a Linux machine infected by a
>> rootkit. Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux?
>>
>>
>>
>>> but in the end, the people are the one who decide to do it easy way, or
>>> the hard way (wah, macam skrip filem pulak).
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Will not argue on this, it's a matter of "choice".  Everyone has the
>> right to  choose how they do things as long as they don't go around and play
>> down how other people do things.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
>>>>> function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>>>>>
>>>>>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>>>>>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>>>>>3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>>>>>4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
>>>>>teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>>>>>5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap.
>>>>>and no virus.
>>>>>6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and
>>>>>suppliers all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for
>>>>>quotations, purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, 
>>>>> reconciliation,
>>>>>balance sheet, weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning 
>>>>> schedule,
>>>>>manufacturing account.
>>>>>7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa
>>>>>sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>>>>>8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
>>>>>crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above
>>>>> fictional use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in 
>>>>> malaysia.
>>>>>
>>>>> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a
>>>>> waste of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
>>>>> mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is 
>>>>> this
>>>>> attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation 
>>>>> in
>>>>> malaysia.
>>>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Do CS need maths

[zarul shahrin]

> Then, comes another question, who here is actually solving the hard problem
> in CS that actually require advance maths.
>
>
 1) Many bro many. Many of these people are just being low profile.
 2) Math is important more than to solve hard problems. A good understanding
of math helps you to solve simple problems in the most elegant way.
  Just an example, some programmers without a math background would take
1000 LoC to implement something that took a good coder who is good at math,
perhaps 100 LoC?



Just curious anyway
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:23 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
>> If you want to be just another "programmer", then you don't need that much
>> of math, otherwise, yes math is important.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah <
>> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ahaks...
>>>
>>> for a mathematician a simpler answer is n*(n+1)/2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:57 PM, darXness darXness 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> math n CS...
>>>> IMHO,without math,programming cant go to the next
>>>> part.if,else,while,and most of the programming part is derived from
>>>> math.and we actually learn that in school.but under Math,not
>>>> programming.slowly,we implement in our program.without we knowing,we
>>>> actually doint math.just pick some of the code:
>>>>
>>>> while(i = 0;i<5;i++){
>>>>  i;
>>>> }
>>>> see?we actually doing plus operation there.:D
>>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:26 PM, E A Faisal  wrote:
>>>> > I'm not formally trained on CS. All my programming knowledge is self
>>>> taught.
>>>> > So this is my opinion.
>>>> >
>>>> > Programming is not solely an art. It's both art and science. I
>>>> experienced
>>>> > countless of times where knowing maths would be extremely useful.
>>>> While it's
>>>> > true that you can program something without any understanding of math
>>>> but I
>>>> > learned the hard way that to implement something efficiently and of
>>>> high
>>>> > quality you still need maths. I once created a middleware that helped
>>>> to
>>>> > bridge between a system with Hylafax which I needed to write a
>>>> scheduler to
>>>> > poll fax status from Hylafax. My first implementation was straight
>>>> forward,
>>>> > without any thought of mathematical model. It worked but it ate up
>>>> resources
>>>> > needlessly. Though it didn't give any problem but it's not elegant
>>>> because
>>>> > it wasted on computing resource which I might need in the future.
>>>> Eventually
>>>> > I managed to find a mathematical model to implement a good scheduler -
>>>> yes!
>>>> > math to the rescue.
>>>> >
>>>> > Still not buying on the importance of math? Consider yourself doing
>>>> > programming and need to choose a data structure. Without good math
>>>> > understanding how can you decide which data structure would be best on
>>>> a
>>>> > given program? Want to analyse your newly and cool algorithm? Who you
>>>> gonna
>>>> > call? Math, of course. Even when you code bussiness app, your business
>>>> logic
>>>> > is basically a representation of mathematical model.
>>>> >
>>>> > Not to discourage new programmer, you can still code with knowing math
>>>> in
>>>> > depth. But, IMHO as you progress into a more competent programmer you
>>>> better
>>>> > catch up with math again. It certainly helps. Math has helped me, I'm
>>>> sure
>>>> > it's useful to others too.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>>>> >  wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We really need math in CS. They way Computer engineers and software
>>>> >> developers think are like mathematician. All are numbers.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We codes in 1 and 0. if then else. all can be calculate and formula
>>>> >> can be created.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> and one thing.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Computer programming

Re: [osdcmy] New article: "What the heck is FreeDOS?"

[zarul shahrin]

Most of them are preloaded with FeeDos so that the computer price can be
reduced by as much as 1K? Unlike corporate users, most of the home users
don't give a crap whether their OS is legal or pirated, they just want
something cheap (This is especially in Malaysia).

If you think people will install Ubuntu instead of Windows just because it
gives them a "legal" OS, then you are wrong. Unless Ubuntu will let them
play the latest Call of Duty, Crysis or whatever game there is and let them
easily have the same setup for Word processing as in their office (for those
non-gamers), otherwise no.


Best Regards,

Zarul Shahrin



On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:26 PM, sweemeng ng  wrote:

> A few of our community events, we did try to have a install fest, the thing
> is none worked the way we want. Probably we did it the wrong way(?) or we
> talking to the wrong audience(?). Really I don't know.
>
> Maybe because it is easy for them to get illegal copy of windows, or in
> university MSDN give them the latest anyway. Again really I don't know the
> real reason. But this is base on feel and observation.
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Ghodmode  wrote:
>
>> I went to the PIKOM PC fair this weekend and I saw a whole bunch of
>> computers with FreeDOS installed.  The people selling them didn't hesitate
>> to offer "unlicensed" windows, though.
>>
>> It seems like this would be a very good opportunity for people in our
>> community.  We could treat it like a Linux installfest... give out Ubuntu
>> (or any distro) discs and offer to do the installation for free.  Then we
>> give out our our business card and offer to do support for low rates paid
>> into the local economy.
>>
>> This way, people have a more information and more choices... unusable
>> FreeDOS, illegal windows (maybe RM50), or fully updated and licensed Ubuntu
>> with all the features.
>>
>> It inspired a blog entry...
>>
>> "What the heck is FreeDOS?" : http://bit.ly/g44haf
>>
>> If you like it, post a comment on the blog... it makes me feel good :)
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

[zarul shahrin]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini <
jipangmenje...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 4:43 PM, zarul shahrin wrote:
>
>> Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a hard-to-use
>> tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems using a tool
>> which is easy to learn?
>>
>> is it include with virus recovery? oops, I'm wrong..IT'S HARD :p
>
> As someone who is working in the security field and who previously worked
in the AV labs, I would say in most cases any windows machine infected by a
rootkit is much easier to deal with compare to a Linux machine infected by a
rootkit. Perhaps you can name me one good anti-rootkit for Linux?



> but in the end, the people are the one who decide to do it easy way, or the
> hard way (wah, macam skrip filem pulak).
>
>>
>>
>>  Will not argue on this, it's a matter of "choice".  Everyone has the
right to  choose how they do things as long as they don't go around and play
down how other people do things.



> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:
>>
>>>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
>>> function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>>>
>>>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>>>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>>>3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>>>4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
>>>teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>>>5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap.
>>>and no virus.
>>>6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers
>>>all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations,
>>>purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance 
>>> sheet,
>>>weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
>>>account.
>>>7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa
>>>sekolah tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>>>8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
>>>crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>>>
>>>
>>> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional
>>> use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia.
>>>
>>> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste
>>> of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
>>> mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this
>>> attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in
>>> malaysia.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [osdcmy] Re: FiMOS - For Malaysian, by Malaysian

[zarul shahrin]

Windows need no learning? That's kind of over-statement. Knowledge comes
from experience sometimes, just because you 11-years old son could do well
in Excel doesn't mean that he is already an expert in Windows.  There is
more to windows than just "Excel".

There are infinity number of things that can be done easily on Linux  but
not Windows and vice versa. But I take that your field is limited to
software like Excel.

Also, computer is suppose to to help make our job easier and faster not the
other way around. If Windows is easier to learn and use, then why do things
the hard way? Why spend so much time and get into so much trouble learning a
hard-to-use tool when you can use the wasted time to tackle new problems
using a tool which is easy to learn?


Best Regards,

Zarul Shahrin

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:40 PM, red1  wrote:

>  Raja, fictitous indeed. Windows needs no learning. Give me an example
> function in excel that my 11 yr old son cannot show you.
>
>
> On 3/13/11 11:34 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah wrote:
>
>
>
> imagine this interview for a clerical / account officer position :
>
>1. interviewer : what software do you know ?
>2. interviewee : i have learned fimos at school.
>3. interviewer : fimos ? do you know how to use excel ?
>4. interviewee : i dont know eksel. i only know fimos. school only
>teach fimos (interviewee starting to get 'gabra')
>5. interviewee : they say fimos good. made in malaysia. very cheap. and
>no virus.
>6. interviewer : malaysian product ? we have customers and suppliers
>all over the world and everybody uses excel. we use excel for quotations,
>purchase orders, bill of material, accounts, reconciliation, balance sheet,
>weekly sales reports, claims, overtime, planning schedule, manufacturing
>account.
>7. interviewee : [thinking : aiya mampus lah aku... kenapa sekolah
>tak ajar benda jadah eksel ni ?]
>8. interviewer : [thinking : bodoh punya gomen.. ini mesti projek
>crony. asyik2 bazir duit rakyat macam buat proton saga]
>
>
> hoping the best for fimos... but as you can see from the above fictional
> use case scenario, there is a huge challenge for oss in malaysia.
>
> on top of the mentality that malaysia products are no good and is a waste
> of rakyat's money. i believe that somewhere in this thread somebody
> mentioned that the proton saga was a waste of rakyat's money ;p - it is this
> attitude that malaysia products are inferior that are killing innovation in
> malaysia.
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Re: [osdcmy] Do CS need maths

[zarul shahrin]

If you want to be just another "programmer", then you don't need that much
of math, otherwise, yes math is important.


On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah  wrote:

> ahaks...
>
> for a mathematician a simpler answer is n*(n+1)/2
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:57 PM, darXness darXness wrote:
>
>> math n CS...
>> IMHO,without math,programming cant go to the next
>> part.if,else,while,and most of the programming part is derived from
>> math.and we actually learn that in school.but under Math,not
>> programming.slowly,we implement in our program.without we knowing,we
>> actually doint math.just pick some of the code:
>>
>> while(i = 0;i<5;i++){
>>  i;
>> }
>> see?we actually doing plus operation there.:D
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:26 PM, E A Faisal  wrote:
>> > I'm not formally trained on CS. All my programming knowledge is self
>> taught.
>> > So this is my opinion.
>> >
>> > Programming is not solely an art. It's both art and science. I
>> experienced
>> > countless of times where knowing maths would be extremely useful. While
>> it's
>> > true that you can program something without any understanding of math
>> but I
>> > learned the hard way that to implement something efficiently and of high
>> > quality you still need maths. I once created a middleware that helped to
>> > bridge between a system with Hylafax which I needed to write a scheduler
>> to
>> > poll fax status from Hylafax. My first implementation was straight
>> forward,
>> > without any thought of mathematical model. It worked but it ate up
>> resources
>> > needlessly. Though it didn't give any problem but it's not elegant
>> because
>> > it wasted on computing resource which I might need in the future.
>> Eventually
>> > I managed to find a mathematical model to implement a good scheduler -
>> yes!
>> > math to the rescue.
>> >
>> > Still not buying on the importance of math? Consider yourself doing
>> > programming and need to choose a data structure. Without good math
>> > understanding how can you decide which data structure would be best on a
>> > given program? Want to analyse your newly and cool algorithm? Who you
>> gonna
>> > call? Math, of course. Even when you code bussiness app, your business
>> logic
>> > is basically a representation of mathematical model.
>> >
>> > Not to discourage new programmer, you can still code with knowing math
>> in
>> > depth. But, IMHO as you progress into a more competent programmer you
>> better
>> > catch up with math again. It certainly helps. Math has helped me, I'm
>> sure
>> > it's useful to others too.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We really need math in CS. They way Computer engineers and software
>> >> developers think are like mathematician. All are numbers.
>> >>
>> >> We codes in 1 and 0. if then else. all can be calculate and formula
>> >> can be created.
>> >>
>> >> and one thing.
>> >>
>> >> Computer programming is an art :)
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM, sweemeng ng 
>> wrote:
>> >> > http://ocirs.com/2011/03/11/computer-science-education-and-math/
>> >> > based on this article. Actually I kinda agree with the author. It
>> >> > depends on
>> >> > the goal, if aim for research YES, if for industry, maybe no
>> >> > what you guys think
>> >>
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