Re: [ozmidwifery] consent to formula feed?
previous post said... Also, I am under the impression that due to the increased risk of these bubs' sugars dropping further (being LBW and premature) then requiring IVT, 4/24 BSL etc one or two comp feeds to allow mum to get her head around breastfeeding two bubs and recovering from the labour etc sounds reasonable. I do understand both sides- one being the desire of the mother to BF versus the well-being of her babies. Just because these bubs were offered a comp feed does not mean she cannot BF.. comp feeding to allow mum to get her head around breatfeeding - seems to be a ridiculous statment. Is that the reason we are now going to give to justify formula after birth. Did anyone ask the mother if she wanted formula so she could just get her head around her breasts. The babies were on the small side but were only one day off term (normal pregnancy being 37 to 42 weeks). Breat feeding following birth Can bring blood sugars up you know and continue to keep them there. Formula should never be given even before the woman has had a chance to put her babies to the breast. And do you know what. Consent must be given before formula feeding whether you think it sounds reasonable or not. You don't have to understand both sides our job is to advocate for the womans wishes and desires and facilitate breast feeding after birth if that is her wish. On a side note, formula is written consent in the PNW where I work and verbal consent in the SCN- as it is considered 'medically required'! consent isn't medically required it's legally required. Lisa -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning
Hoi Zoë, I once attended a hospital birth. Woman did a beautifull job. She also had intact memebranes. The gyn arrived when the baby was crowning and she almost got in panic to have the water broken before the birth of the baby. I asked a colleague of mine who wordks in the hospital with that gyn and I asked why the gyn was clearly in panic by the idea of a baby born with intact membranes. The midwife told that the gyn once experienced a amniotic embolie in a birth and the mother died. She blaimes it on the membranes breaking at the birth of the baby. I wonder if there is any research regarding a correlation between an amniotic embolie and baby born in intact membranes. I never brake the membranes and I often have babys born with the helmeth as we call it. Greetings Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477740853 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens islips Verzonden: dinsdag 6 juni 2006 7:44 Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Onderwerp: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning Happened to see a beautiful delivery over the weekend. Womans 3rd baby came in spont labour and was the most amazingly in control person i have ever seen. very quick ( 50mins ) but no change in contractions ( 5minutely ) and no indication that birth was imminent. Managed to get knickers off - bulging membranes coming first. I was not conducting the birth and the midwife did an ARM. baby crowning at the same time . Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on leaving them intact or breaking themso you have more 'control' over the head ? As i work in private health it is not very often a woman gets this far without someone breaking them for her / or srom. Thanks Zoe
[ozmidwifery] UK Conference
Thank you to those who contacted me although none could confirm having seen anything about it. there were a few so easier to send the official response to the list.sounds like the same thing might go on the website sometime.Kirips and thank you Andrea Robertson for responding -now, to rearrange things. Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:03:11 +1000To: Kiri Taia [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: UK ConferenceHello Kiri,Yes, we have had to cancel the Conference in the UK, due to circumstances beyond our control. The NHS is in turmoil at present, with so many budget overruns that most staff training budgets have been cancelled. This has affected many programs, and now sadly, our own. WE are very disappointed, but from the feedback we have had from presenters and attendees alike, no-one is surprised.We will look towards offering it again when the situation improves, but this may be 12 months or more.There will be changes to our website as soon as we can get them in place - this may be a few days.Apologies for any inconveniece this has caused you. Hope to meet you another time.Regards,Andrea RobertsonSend instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] blood loss after 3rd stage
Hi Kristin,Most places I've worked consider a PPH to be a blood loss greater than 500-600ml and treatment would be implemented. It's hard to define an average normal blood loss, as the majority of women have oxytocics for third stage. The WHO states that up to 1000ml may be physiological (in healthy, well women).From my experience the average blood loss in actively managed thirds stages is about 300ml. keeping in mind that this is subjective and alot of the research says we oftenunderestimate blood loss. It's interesting that you can see some women (with normal Hb prior to birth) become symptomatic with an estimated blood loss of 300-400ml, while others with greater losses are asymptomatic. Where I've been working a lady had an EBL of 1200 mls but was totally asymptomatic. Her Hb dropped from 115 to 78.Cheers MichelleKristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering whats the average blood loss volume after 3rd stage...? what are the upper lower ends ? and what amount would require treatment..? Thanks!-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] consent to formula feed?
Steph Arthur wrote: Were this bubs in the SCN?? If so being of a lower birth weight with BSL that are not great, formula comp-ing would not be a bad idea.. With all due respect - but not as good an idea as being offered the breast, surely? Esp considering these bubs are most likely going to drop some weight post birth. That could mean twin 2 could reaslistically drop to below 2kg. Also, I am under the impression that due to the increased risk of these bubs' sugars dropping further (being LBW and premature) then requiring IVT, 4/24 BSL etc one or two comp feeds to allow mum to get her head around breastfeeding two bubs and recovering from the labour etc sounds reasonable. Yes but does it sound reasonable to the mother? Surely whether it 'sounds reasonable' to any of us is a moot point - nothing in the original story tells me that this woman had any reason *not* to make 'reasonable' decisions of her own about her babies - just another sane mother committed to the wellbeing of her offspring. Or was there a reference to psych illness or drug use that I missed? What she needs to 'get her head around' any experience is surely up to her? I do understand both sides- one being the desire of the mother to BF versus the well-being of her babies. Just because these bubs were offered a comp feed does not mean she cannot BF.. Um. At the risk of jumping down a throat here (sorry, nothing personal in this!), this makes it sound like this woman's desire to breastfeed her babies is somehow putting them 'at risk' - like, how is there 2 sides to this, with on 1 side this woman who doesnt sound like she wants anything more than healthy breastfed babies, on the other side the 'well-being' of her babies How has the desire to breastfeed put this woman on the other side of the fence to the health of her babies Maybe there are 2 sides to this debate, but in my book the mother is on the same side as her babies! Which leaves the 'other side'.? -- Jennifairy Gillett RM Midwife in Private Practice Women’s Health Teaching Associate ITShare volunteer – Santos Project Co-ordinator ITShare SA Inc - http://itshare.org.au/ ITShare SA provides computer systems to individuals groups, created from donated hardware and opensource software -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] consent to formula feed?
I think the bit about medically required was referring to the formula not the consent. - Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] consent to formula feed? previous post said... Also, I am under the impression that due to the increased risk of these bubs' sugars dropping further (being LBW and premature) then requiring IVT, 4/24 BSL etc one or two comp feeds to allow mum to get her head around breastfeeding two bubs and recovering from the labour etc sounds reasonable. I do understand both sides- one being the desire of the mother to BF versus the well-being of her babies. Just because these bubs were offered a comp feed does not mean she cannot BF.. comp feeding to allow mum to get her head around breatfeeding - seems to be a ridiculous statment. Is that the reason we are now going to give to justify formula after birth. Did anyone ask the mother if she wanted formula so she could just get her head around her breasts. The babies were on the small side but were only one day off term (normal pregnancy being 37 to 42 weeks). Breat feeding following birth Can bring blood sugars up you know and continue to keep them there. Formula should never be given even before the woman has had a chance to put her babies to the breast. And do you know what. Consent must be given before formula feeding whether you think it sounds reasonable or not. You don't have to understand both sides our job is to advocate for the womans wishes and desires and facilitate breast feeding after birth if that is her wish. On a side note, formula is written consent in the PNW where I work and verbal consent in the SCN- as it is considered 'medically required'! consent isn't medically required it's legally required. Lisa -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1580 (20060605) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms
Hi, Anyone out there have any idea how women/couples who choose to birth unattended or with non-registered attendants can get there babies centrelink/medicare form from? Used to be a matter of getting baby sighted by a GP and the appropriate forms signed. The new forms are all registered to the care provider and most GPs don't have them. Any thoughts? Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Interesting article - old wives tales to bring on labour
Note the statement thatclassify fullterm pregnancy as being from 37 weeks onwards! http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/123/115026.htm?printing=true June 2, 2006 The notion that having sex late in pregnancypregnancy will hasten labor and deliverylabor and delivery is among the oldest of old wives' tales. But it looks like the old wives were wrong. Women with a low risk of complications who had sex in the final weeks of pregnancy actually carried their babies slightly longer than those who abstained from sex during that time, according to a new study reported in the June issue of Obstetrics and Gynecology. And the full-term babies born to women who had late-pregnancy sex were just as healthy as those born to women who did not. "This study should reassure low-risk women that there is probably no harm in engaging in intercourse late in pregnancy," says obstetrician Jonathan Schaffir, MD, of the Ohio State University Medical Center. "But it showed no particular benefit, either, in terms of inducing labor." Sex Wasn't a Factor There is actually sound medical reasoning for the idea that sex might bring on labor. Male semen contains hormone-like chemicals known as prostaglandins. Prostaglandins can be used for cervical ripening, in which the cervix physically changes in preparation for labor. Also, female orgasm can bring on uterine contractions. But there is little clinical evidence that intercourse influences the outcome of normal pregnancies. The study cites one analysis of 59 studies that found no association between sex and preterm birth, premature amniotic sac rupture, or low birth weight in low-risk pregnancies. Schaffir's study included 93 low-risk pregnant women past the 37th week of their pregnancy. (At 37 weeks a pregnancy is considered full term.) The women were asked during weekly doctor's office visits about their sexual activity. Half the women reported having sex involving penetration after that time. Cervical examinations were performed at each weekly visit to determine if sexual activity affected cervical ripening. No correlation was seen between the frequency of sexual intercourse and cervical change. And the sexually active women in the study actually carried their babies an average of four days longer than women who abstained from sex -- 39.9 weeks compared with 39.3 weeks. Schaffir says this small difference could be because women closer to labor simply felt less comfortable and were, therefore, less likely to engage in sex. The lack of a difference in cervical changes, combined with the absence of a meaningful difference in delivery dates among women who had sex, suggests sexual intercourse had no effect on inducing labor, the researchers concluded. High-Risk Women Should Abstain The findings do not suggest all women can safely engage in sex late in pregnancypregnancy. Women with risk factors for preterm delivery should probably avoid sex and should definitely discuss the issue with their health care provider. Risk factors for preterm delivery include having had a previous preterm birth, having uterine bleeding during pregnancy, contracting certain vaginal infections, and having other pregnancy-related complications. For most normal pregnancies, however, if a woman feels like having sex late in pregnancy there is probably no medical reason to keep her from doing so, based on the study. But there is no medical benefit either. Schaffir says doctors and other pregnancy caregivers should talk with their patients about sex during pregnancy. This discussion should not lead patients to believe that sexual intercourse will initiate labor sooner, he wrote. Patients may continue to hear from relatives and other old wives that intercourse will hasten labor, but it should not be given credence by the medical community. Hope Ricciotti, MD, an ob-gyn at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, says she is surprised by the findings. This is one that many of us believed because of the hormonal involvement, she tells WebMD. Other Things to Try Another method to hasten delivery that doctors often suggest to women is nipple stimulation, since it promotes the production of another hormone involved in labor induction known as oxytocin. Nipple stimulation does cause contractions while the woman is doing it, Ricciotti says. But once the woman stops, so do the contractions. Ricciotti knows of no case where a woman actually put herself into labor using this method. Other doctors perform a vigorous pelvic exam when the cervix is slightly dilated in an effort to get things moving. While there is some evidence this is effective, it is not conclusive, Ricciotti says. Otherwise, you can always try food. Although there is no medical evidence to back it up, countless women are convinced eating pizza or Chinese food put them into labor. The big one is Chinese food, Ricciotti says. Eggplant was in vogue for a few years, but there was no evidence at all
RE: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms
Why not just go to Centrelink? Take baby and a stat deck, or certificate from GP. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sue Cookson Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2006 5:40 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms Hi, Anyone out there have any idea how women/couples who choose to birth unattended or with non-registered attendants can get there babies centrelink/medicare form from? Used to be a matter of getting baby sighted by a GP and the appropriate forms signed. The new forms are all registered to the care provider and most GPs don't have them. Any thoughts? Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] consent to formula feed?
Hear, hear Lisa. The old its just one bottle , cant do any harm arguement just doesnt cut it anymore. The research speaks for itself.. to risk the increase in atopic diseases and increased risk of so much else without truely informed consent is inexcusable. Cheers Di - Original Message - From: Lisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] consent to formula feed? previous post said... Also, I am under the impression that due to the increased risk of these bubs' sugars dropping further (being LBW and premature) then requiring IVT, 4/24 BSL etc one or two comp feeds to allow mum to get her head around breastfeeding two bubs and recovering from the labour etc sounds reasonable. I do understand both sides- one being the desire of the mother to BF versus the well-being of her babies. Just because these bubs were offered a comp feed does not mean she cannot BF.. comp feeding to allow mum to get her head around breatfeeding - seems to be a ridiculous statment. Is that the reason we are now going to give to justify formula after birth. Did anyone ask the mother if she wanted formula so she could just get her head around her breasts. The babies were on the small side but were only one day off term (normal pregnancy being 37 to 42 weeks). Breat feeding following birth Can bring blood sugars up you know and continue to keep them there. Formula should never be given even before the woman has had a chance to put her babies to the breast. And do you know what. Consent must be given before formula feeding whether you think it sounds reasonable or not. You don't have to understand both sides our job is to advocate for the womans wishes and desires and facilitate breast feeding after birth if that is her wish. On a side note, formula is written consent in the PNW where I work and verbal consent in the SCN- as it is considered 'medically required'! consent isn't medically required it's legally required. Lisa -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning
Hi Zoe, I personally would not ARM at this point. I am not sure what kind of 'control over the head' you are referring to (as a hands off practitioner I don't actually 'do' anything). I find it very special when the baby is born in the caul (in membranes). The membranes usually break as the body is born, or you can peel them over the baby's head as it is born. The weirdest experience is a waterbirth when the baby is born in the caul. There is a moment when the baby's head is in a bag of water within water - hair swaying etc. It is lovely to just let it happen. You can tell the mother about how lucky it is meant to be to be born in the caul and how folklore says they will be protected from drowning. Midwives used to sell pieces of caul (from these lucky babies) to sailors a protection at sea. Adds another element to their 'birth story'. As a Geordie (from Newcastle in the UK), I tend to go with 'if in doubt - do nowt (nothing)'. Rachel From: islips [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:43:58 +0800 Happened to see a beautiful delivery over the weekend. Womans 3rd baby came in spont labour and was the most amazingly in control person i have ever seen. very quick ( 50mins ) but no change in contractions ( 5minutely ) and no indication that birth was imminent. Managed to get knickers off - bulging membranes coming first. I was not conducting the birth and the midwife did an ARM. baby crowning at the same time . Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on leaving them intact or breaking them so you have more 'control' over the head ? As i work in private health it is not very often a woman gets this far without someone breaking them for her / or srom. Thanks Zoe _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning
Hi all, I worked at a birth center in the Philippines last year where there was no intervention in labour including ARM, most women had a srom shortly before the birth of the head and others who had a srom early in labour often had less than perfect fetal positioning associated with this.There was often a rather exiting time where you hold a towelas the head is crowning with bulging membranes at the introitusawaitinganalmighty splashwiththe nextcontraction. We used a a bulb syringe on these babies as they were a bit "wet" and gurgley when they came out. The traditional birth attendants told me that they suction with their own mouths! A few babies, maybe five percentwere born in the caul, they looked like little bank robbers with stockings over their heads. I particularly remember onewho drew the membranes into his mouth gasping as I was frantically trying to break them with my hands. Not surprisingly these babysseemed to haveparticually tough membranes. As far as controlling the head went, I cant remember it being a problem as hands were poised most of the time and we had fairly good perineal outcomes. Hope this helps, Julie:) - Original Message - From: Lieve Huybrechts To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning Hoi Zoë, I once attended a hospital birth. Woman did a beautifull job. She also had intact memebranes. The gyn arrived when the baby was crowning and she almost got in panic to have the water broken before the birth of the baby. I asked a colleague of mine who wordks in the hospital with that gyn and I asked why the gyn was clearly in panic by the idea of a baby born with intact membranes. The midwife told that the gyn once experienced a amniotic embolie in a birth and the mother died. She blaimes it on the membranes breaking at the birth of the baby. I wonder if there is any research regarding a correlation between an amniotic embolie and baby born in intact membranes. I never brake the membranes and I often have babys born with the helmeth as we call it. Greetings Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477740853 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens islipsVerzonden: dinsdag 6 juni 2006 7:44Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auOnderwerp: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning Happened to see a beautiful delivery over the weekend. Womans 3rd baby came in spont labour and was the most amazingly in control person i have ever seen. very quick ( 50mins ) but no change in contractions ( 5minutely ) and no indication that birth was imminent. Managed to get knickers off - bulging membranes coming first. I was not conducting the birth and the midwife did an ARM. baby crowning at the same time . Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on leaving them intact or breaking themso you have more 'control' over the head ? As i work in private health it is not very often a woman gets this far without someone breaking them for her / or srom. Thanks Zoe
Re: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning
I've caught two babies in the caulthis year- I thought they looked like little 'aliens' waving and bobbing around - and the membranes were so tough Admittedly one bub's mum was HIV +ve, and that was why no ARM was indicated - but we even manage it in our large tertiary unit Cheers, Sadie
Re: [ozmidwifery] consent to formula feed?
Hi, It's not the first time I've heard of it, but was surprised with the comment I do understand both sides- one being the desire of the mother to BF versus the well-being of her babies. Surely those two things are intimately bound. In so many cases (birth, breastfeeding and sleep - to name a few) mother and baby are pitted together, instead of being supported as two parts of a vital whole) Barb -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms
Information from the Purebirth (Unassisted Pregnancy and Birth) Australia site on Centrelink payments : http://www.purebirth-australia.com/centrelink.html - Original Message - From: Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms Hi, Anyone out there have any idea how women/couples who choose to birth unattended or with non-registered attendants can get there babies centrelink/medicare form from? Used to be a matter of getting baby sighted by a GP and the appropriate forms signed. The new forms are all registered to the care provider and most GPs don't have them. Any thoughts? Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms
Hi Sue, Contact Centrelink on 1300 36 76 76 Explain that you need forms: FAO - 04 FAO - 04P FAO - 8S Birth AH - 1102 Just explain that you are an IP have your NBV Reg Number handy. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:42 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms Why not just go to Centrelink? Take baby and a stat deck, or certificate from GP. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sue Cookson Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2006 5:40 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms Hi, Anyone out there have any idea how women/couples who choose to birth unattended or with non-registered attendants can get there babies centrelink/medicare form from? Used to be a matter of getting baby sighted by a GP and the appropriate forms signed. The new forms are all registered to the care provider and most GPs don't have them. Any thoughts? Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms
Call the Family Assistance Office 136150. - Original Message From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms Date: 06/06/2006 18:48 Why not just go to Centrelink? Take baby and a stat deck, or certificate from GP. Maureen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sue Cookson Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2006 5:40 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms Hi, Anyone out there have any idea how women/couples who choose to birth unattended or with non-registered attendants can get there babies centrelink/medicare form from? Used to be a matter of getting baby sighted by a GP and the appropriate forms signed. The new forms are all registered to the care provider and most GPs don't have them. Any thoughts? Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit lt;http://www.acegraphics.com.augt; to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit lt;http://www.acegraphics.com.augt; to subscribe or unsubscribe. Dodo - an Official Sponsor of the 2006 FORMULA 1 (tm) Foster's Australian Grand Prix -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning
Previous mail said, I've caught two babies in the caulthis year- I thought they looked like little 'aliens' waving and bobbing around - and the membranes were so tough Admittedly one bub's mum was HIV +ve, and that was why no ARM was indicated - but we even manage it in our large tertiary unit!!! It's lovely that this happens in a large tertiary unit but isn't it a shame you have to have HIV before you can no indication for ARM, Lisa
Re: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning
Hi, Julie, I am an independent midwife and I use bi manual suction. I have a suction tube with a little pot and none returnable valve, I suck on end and the other goes into the baby's mouth. I'm from Wales and this was common practice at home in the community and in theatre where there was no wall suction. That's quite a recent addition to some establishments. Do you know how expensive a twinivac is! Saying all that I hardly ever use it. It has no foundation to be of any benefit. Born in the Caul though I could see it may help a lot. Lisa - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning Hi all, I worked at a birth center in the Philippines last year where there was no intervention in labour including ARM, most women had a srom shortly before the birth of the head and others who had a srom early in labour often had less than perfect fetal positioning associated with this.There was often a rather exiting time where you hold a towelas the head is crowning with bulging membranes at the introitusawaitinganalmighty splashwiththe nextcontraction. We used a a bulb syringe on these babies as they were a bit "wet" and gurgley when they came out. The traditional birth attendants told me that they suction with their own mouths! A few babies, maybe five percentwere born in the caul, they looked like little bank robbers with stockings over their heads. I particularly remember onewho drew the membranes into his mouth gasping as I was frantically trying to break them with my hands. Not surprisingly these babysseemed to haveparticually tough membranes. As far as controlling the head went, I cant remember it being a problem as hands were poised most of the time and we had fairly good perineal outcomes. Hope this helps, Julie:)
Re: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms
Hi Sue, After my beautiful girls birth we called Births Deaths and Marriages and Centrelink and they told us to go to our local hospital. Well, one hospital gave my husband the hardest time about it and refused to give him a form unless I came in. Now this hospital is known for calling DOCS on anyone they think has done the wrong thing ie freebirthing. He then went to our other local hospital and they were s lovely. They gave him all kinds of info on the services they offer, just in case we wanted to take advantage of it and also gave him the forms and everything we needed. Though, the only problem was, it did have the hospital sticker on the back. So, in the end I went to Centrelink and got forms myself, we then had a hell of a time getting our baby registered and then finally we got to hand in our Centrelink forms. Basically, Centrelink won't take the forms unsigned without a Birth Certificate. If you want any info on how to get a Birth Certificate for a babe in NSW let me know. We had to provide all kinds of info and it took months. They have no protocol so it really depends on the person you are speaking to. Love Abby Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Anyone out there have any idea how women/couples who choose to birth unattended or with non-registered attendants can get there babies centrelink/medicare form from? Used to be a matter of getting baby sighted by a GP and the appropriate forms signed. The new forms are all registered to the care provider and most GPs don't have them. Any thoughts? Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning
A twin o vac new costs around $900 and then there is the annual cost of hiring the O2 cylinder which is relatively inexpensive. Andrea QuanchiOn 06/06/2006, at 11:41 PM, Lisa Barrett wrote:Hi, Julie, I am an independent midwife and I use bi manual suction. I have a suction tube with a little pot and none returnable valve, I suck on end and the other goes into the baby's mouth. I'm from Wales and this was common practice at home in the community and in theatre where there was no wall suction. That's quite a recent addition to some establishments. Do you know how expensive a twinivac is! Saying all that I hardly ever use it. It has no foundation to be of any benefit. Born in the Caul though I could see it may help a lot.Lisa- Original Message -From: Julie GarrattTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:39 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowningHi all, I worked at a birth center in the Philippines last year where there was no intervention in labour including ARM, most women had a srom shortly before the birth of the head and others who had a srom early in labour often had less than perfect fetal positioning associated with this. There was often a rather exiting time where you hold a towel as the head is crowning with bulging membranes at the introitus awaiting an almighty splash with the next contraction. We used a a bulb syringe on these babies as they were a bit "wet" and gurgley when they came out. The traditional birth attendants told me that they suction with their own mouths! A few babies, maybe five percent were born in the caul, they looked like little bank robbers with stockings over their heads. I particularly remember one who drew the membranes into his mouth gasping as I was frantically trying to break them with my hands. Not surprisingly these babys seemed to have particually tough membranes. As far as controlling the head went, I cant remember it being a problem as hands were poised most of the time and we had fairly good perineal outcomes.Hope this helps, Julie:)
[ozmidwifery] aspartame use during pregnancy
Does anyone know where I can find references / studies / articles about aspartame use and birth defects? Is it generally advised in Australia to avoid diet drinks and aspartame when pregnant? In Finland I don't think it is considered a risk. Päivi
[ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
RE: [ozmidwifery] consent to formula feed?
Hi Lisa, We introduced consents to feed with formula late last year. There was a vast improvement in the amount of comp feeds being given. We did collect the data but the midwife who drove this initiative is on sick leave but will be back in the fold in the next week or so if you want statistical evidence. Joan Angliss Hospital -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2006 16:13 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] consent to formula feed? previous post said... Also, I am under the impression that due to the increased risk of these bubs' sugars dropping further (being LBW and premature) then requiring IVT, 4/24 BSL etc one or two comp feeds to allow mum to get her head around breastfeeding two bubs and recovering from the labour etc sounds reasonable. I do understand both sides- one being the desire of the mother to BF versus the well-being of her babies. Just because these bubs were offered a comp feed does not mean she cannot BF.. comp feeding to allow mum to get her head around breatfeeding - seems to be a ridiculous statment. Is that the reason we are now going to give to justify formula after birth. Did anyone ask the mother if she wanted formula so she could just get her head around her breasts. The babies were on the small side but were only one day off term (normal pregnancy being 37 to 42 weeks). Breat feeding following birth Can bring blood sugars up you know and continue to keep them there. Formula should never be given even before the woman has had a chance to put her babies to the breast. And do you know what. Consent must be given before formula feeding whether you think it sounds reasonable or not. You don't have to understand both sides our job is to advocate for the womans wishes and desires and facilitate breast feeding after birth if that is her wish. On a side note, formula is written consent in the PNW where I work and verbal consent in the SCN- as it is considered 'medically required'! consent isn't medically required it's legally required. Lisa -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. THIS E-MAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us by return e-mail and delete the document. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Eastern Health is not liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information contained in this communication or for any delay in its receipt. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too earlyDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] aspartame use during pregnancy
I was advised to avoid some diet drinks by Diabetes Australia (I had gestational diabetes). The only artificial sweetners you are supposed to have are numbers 950 and 951. I'm not sure what their names are and if the numbers are only used in Australia. Other artificial sweeteners (952, 954, 955) are believed to cross the placenta. They didn't know if it affected the baby, but thought prevention better than cure. Dodo - an Official Sponsor of the 2006 FORMULA 1 (tm) Foster's Australian Grand Prix -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Hi all, Maureen Minchin has a couple of books that would be useful on this topic. One is Breastfeeding Matters, 1998, Alma Publications. Alma Publications is Maureen's own business. The address is 14 Acland St, St Kilda or 6 Thear St, East Geelong. Phone 03 95372640. The name of the other escapes me (if you ring Alma Publications you will have no problems getting it) but is entirely to do with food allergy. Maureen became an expert in this field after having a son with dreadful allergies. Part of the problem was an early comp feed given without Maureen's knowledge, much less permission. She only found out because she also worked at the hospital where she gave birth, and one of her colleagues remembered giving him a comp. In those days that was not unusual. Another issue is babies with supposed reflux being given thickeners or even thickened formula despite being a breastfed baby. I came across this in a ten day old baby, who did not have reflux, but the woman's friend gave her the thickener that she had herself. Needless to say, supply was not good, and breastfeeding did not last much longer. :( Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:39 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too earlyDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Some other invalid reasons for deciding to introduce solids earlier than six months from my experience are 1. The pressure to get a baby to sleep through the night. If I feed the baby solids I will fill him/her up and he won't wake at night! Sleep deprivation contributes to this decision. 2. Baby was watching me eat therefore he wants some??!!! 3. BF more often at around that age ? due to a growth spurt .therefore I mustn't have enough milk and the baby wants more than I can give! Helen - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi all, Maureen Minchin has a couple of books that would be useful on this topic. One is Breastfeeding Matters, 1998, Alma Publications. Alma Publications is Maureen's own business. The address is 14 Acland St, St Kilda or 6 Thear St, East Geelong. Phone 03 95372640. The name of the other escapes me (if you ring Alma Publications you will have no problems getting it) but is entirely to do with food allergy. Maureen became an expert in this field after having a son with dreadful allergies. Part of the problem was an early comp feed given without Maureen's knowledge, much less permission. She only found out because she also worked at the hospital where she gave birth, and one of her colleagues remembered giving him a comp. In those days that was not unusual. Another issue is babies with supposed reflux being given thickeners or even thickened formula despite being a breastfed baby. I came across this in a ten day old baby, who did not have reflux, but the woman's friend gave her the thickener that she had herself. Needless to say, supply was not good, and breastfeeding did not last much longer. :( Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:39 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too earlyDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1582 (20060606) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning
DeLee suction (suckers)units (USA term)are what you are referring to. Small plastic disposable units in sealed packs. A great back-up if the twinovac fails in an emergency. I have several but like Lisahave never had to use them. Mine are called Mucous Extractors one from: www.indiamart.com/agofalabsurgical/ the other from: www.buyemp.com/product/1011806.html With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning Hi Lisa, The birth center was run by Americans and bulb suctioning was I must admit a bit of a thing with them, don't know why. (they also put Erythromycin into all the babies eyes within one hour of birth to guard against gonorrheal conjunctivitis, apparently this is required by law in all 50 USA states!) I only suction now if there is mec or at resus. I did bring back a little suction pot like the one your talking about and its in my kit so I know what you mean, looks like its meant to be disposable, has a non return valve two tubes and holds 20 mls. The brand is argyle, I've looked but I cant find a picture link.They must be lots cheaper than a twin o vac. Julie:) - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning A twin o vac new costs around $900 and then there is the annual cost of hiring the O2 cylinder which is relatively inexpensive. Andrea Quanchi On 06/06/2006, at 11:41 PM, Lisa Barrett wrote: Hi, Julie, I am an independent midwife and I use bi manual suction. I have a suction tube with a little pot and none returnable valve, I suck on end and the other goes into the baby's mouth. I'm from Wales and this was common practice at home in the community and in theatre where there was no wall suction. That's quite a recent addition to some establishments. Do you know how expensive a twinivac is! Saying all that I hardly ever use it. It has no foundation to be of any benefit. Born in the Caul though I could see it may help a lot. Lisa - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] ARM at crowning Hi all, I worked at a birth center in the Philippines last year where there was no intervention in labour including ARM, most women had a srom shortly before the birth of the head and others who had a srom early in labour often had less than perfect fetal positioning associated with this.There was often a rather exiting time where you hold a towelas the head is crowning with bulging membranes at the introitusawaitinganalmighty splashwiththe nextcontraction. We used a a bulb syringe on these babies as they were a bit "wet" and gurgley when they came out. The traditional birth attendants told me that they suction with their own mouths! A few babies, maybe five percentwere born in the caul, they looked like little bank robbers with stockings over their heads. I particularly remember onewho drew the membranes into his mouth gasping as I was frantically trying to break them with my hands. Not surprisingly these babysseemed to haveparticually tough membranes. As far as controlling the head went, I cant remember it being a problem as hands were poised most of the time and we had fairly good perineal outcomes. Hope this helps, Julie:)
RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Its just getting ridiculous the ages these mums are pushing the food thing. I just hope they read it. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2006 11:22 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Some other invalid reasons for deciding to introduce solids earlier than six months from my experience are 1. The pressure to get a baby to sleep through the night. If I feed the baby solids I will fill him/her up and he won't wake at night! Sleep deprivation contributes to this decision. 2. Baby was watching me eat therefore he wants some??!!! 3. BF more often at around that age ? due to a growth spurt .therefore I mustn't have enough milk and the baby wants more than I can give! Helen - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi all, Maureen Minchin has a couple of books that would be useful on this topic. One is Breastfeeding Matters, 1998, Alma Publications. Alma Publications is Maureen's own business. The address is 14 Acland St, St Kilda or 6 Thear St, East Geelong. Phone 03 95372640. The name of the other escapes me (if you ring Alma Publications you will have no problems getting it) but is entirely to do with food allergy. Maureen became an expert in this field after having a son with dreadful allergies. Part of the problem was an early comp feed given without Maureen's knowledge, much less permission. She only found out because she also worked at the hospital where she gave birth, and one of her colleagues remembered giving him a comp. In those days that was not unusual. Another issue is babies with supposed reflux being given thickeners or even thickened formula despite being a breastfed baby. I came across this in a ten day old baby, who did not have reflux, but the woman's friend gave her the thickener that she had herself. Needless to say, supply was not good, and breastfeeding did not last much longer. :( Nicole. -Original Message- From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:39 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1582 (20060606) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Yep, that will be fine. Just don't use it holus bolus without permission. And feel free to link to the ABA page Barb - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Thanks Barb, I wasnt sure if I was able to reference it or not, as I have asked for info before and told I had to pay for it, but if I am able to reference some information that would be great. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Barbara Glare Chris BrightSent: Wednesday, 7 June 2006 1:18 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early The Australian Breastfeeding Association website www.breastfeeding.asn.au would be a fabulous place to start. And their outstanding booklet"Introducing Solids" Their research is always completely *spot on* Barb - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi all, Maureen Minchin has a couple of books that would be useful on this topic. One is Breastfeeding Matters, 1998, Alma Publications. Alma Publications is Maureen's own business. The address is 14 Acland St, St Kilda or 6 Thear St, East Geelong. Phone 03 95372640. The name of the other escapes me (if you ring Alma Publications you will have no problems getting it) but is entirely to do with food allergy. Maureen became an expert in this field after having a son with dreadful allergies. Part of the problem was an early comp feed given without Maureen's knowledge, much less permission. She only found out because she also worked at the hospital where she gave birth, and one of her colleagues remembered giving him a comp. In those days that was not unusual. Another issue is babies with supposed reflux being given thickeners or even thickened formula despite being a breastfed baby. I came across this in a ten day old baby, who did not have reflux, but the woman's friend gave her the thickener that she had herself. Needless to say, supply was not good, and breastfeeding did not last much longer. :( Nicole. -Original Message-From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:39 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too earlyDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
